Xbox 360 sales double in Europe

By Robert Purchese Published 17 April, 2008

Price cut worked wonders, says MS.

Microsoft has revealed that Xbox 360 sales have doubled in Europe since it cut the price of the console on 14th March. Well done self, it said.

The platform holder reckons its console is number one in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, as it owns 42 per cent of the market in terms of life-to-date sales.

We don't understand that, but we do consider its attach rate of seven games per console to be really quite high; the PS3 only manages 3.8, and the Wii just 3.5.

"Xbox 360 is truly the next-generation console of choice among consumers, and today's numbers are proof that we are delivering on our commitment to achieve critical mass in Europe," said Chris Lewis, Xbox business boss in Europe.

Microsoft slashed the price of all three Xbox 360 consoles on 14th March, shaving GBP 50 off its Premium unit and GBP 40 off the Elite and Arcade machines.

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  • bad09 #1 4 years ago

    / waits for the aggro to begin....:)

  • DAN.E.B #2 4 years ago

    it could be a case of too little too late!
    they should have cut the price ages ago.

  • Darren #3 4 years ago

    Right so they've doubled... but doubled from what... 1,000 units, 10,000 units, 100,000 units... 1,000,000 units? If the Xbox 360 wasn't selling well in Europe before the price cut as was often reported then doubling those poor sales is hardly going to be impressive, is it?

    I guess the vagueness of this statement is intentional because, as I've said countless times before, without actual sales figures these double/percentage increases are absolutely meaningless. ;)

  • MENTAL1ST Verified Senior Software Engineer, Picsel UK Ltd. #4 4 years ago

    It's a shame there never seem to be consistent figures put out for Europe, like there are for the US and Japan. This news story is almost completely meaningless (in terms of Console War pissing contests) because there's no comparison against how the others are doing. Double of zero sales is still zero, after all.

  • Les #5 4 years ago

    "Microsoft has revealed that Xbox 360 sales have doubled in Europe since it cut the price of the console on 14th March. Well done self, it said."

    Of course they don't mention the fact that Wii and PS3 achieved pretty much the same without a price cut, but who can blame them. Not really sure what the news value if of PR statements like this though (from any of the platformholders).

  • ChaK #6 4 years ago

    why the hell did I see this link in my precioussss ps3 EG homepage?

    tsk tsk

    Wanna be flamed? :p

    Anyway good for MS :)

  • neilka #7 4 years ago

    You don't understand how the 360 can be the number one console with 42 percent of the market...?

  • Skooch #8 4 years ago

    This is kinda weird as I know the week after the price cut sales went up around 40% but then the week after that they stalled at what they were originally and then now they have doubled. Well done MS, bringing down the price will only encourage the same from Ninty and Sony.

  • anomagnus #9 4 years ago

    does it really matter at this stage

    to be quite frank, after almost two years, if someone hasn't bought an xbox, the chances are extremely low that they will now

    i have a 360 by the way, LOVE IT, brought me back into console gaming, but like, do the console wars really matter anymore?

    I mean, lets be honest, the Hello Kitty MMORPG is almost here. Everything else will become obsolete.

    I, for one, welcome our new feline overlords, and will do my best to make the transition of us all easier.

  • Darren #10 4 years ago

    What exactly does life-to-date sales mean anyway? Does it mean sales from when it launched to the current day or something else entirely? :?

  • adamamosa #11 4 years ago

    @neilka . . . . because another console would have to have a market share greater than 42%, which would mean either ps3 or wii only having less than 16%

  • ZeroAX #12 4 years ago

    first in europe????? ok now i know he's saying bullshit

  • Les #13 4 years ago

    @ Darren

    Life-to-date sales means sales from launch till this very date. As for the last year they've held a significantly lower percentage of the market in week-on-week sales they like to remind us that did have that nice headstart... ;)

  • macmurphy #14 4 years ago

    There's no way it's got a 42% share. Life to sales my arse. Bill's been telling porkies. I have no idea of the top of my head but I'm guessing (for consoles used in homes) it's more like 25/25/25 PS2/WII/360 with ps3 trailing up the rear with a few random consoles
    (like xbox/cube). This obviously is for the home consoles and ignores the mighty DS.

    I'm a 360 fan but these stats smell dodgy. Anyone know the real stats? It would be interesting to see how wrong I am.

  • MBar #15 4 years ago

    You don't understand how the 360 can be the number one console with 42 percent of the market...?

    They don't understand how Microsoft believe they can feed us this obvious lie and get away with it.

    Unless someone Arab Shek in the Middle East bought eleventy million 360's at some point.

    One for each of his wives, obviously.

    /racism

  • asharkman #16 4 years ago

    I love my xbox console more than life itself. Rainbow 6, forza, fightnight, graw loads of great games that i love playing.
    Why do i keep thinking about buying a PS3?
    Can somebody explain it to me.

  • gingerlink #17 4 years ago

    I thought the wii was winning in Europe, with the only region the 360 was still winning being America (just)

  • bad09 #18 4 years ago

    @ asharkman

    I can explain it because I'm the same. You are a gamer, as a gamer (not a fanboy) you want to try all the fruit on all the trees. I love my 360 (and it's still my main console) but I'm still looking forward to playing around with my PS3 and I still enjoy playing with my girlfriends Wii.

    After you finally get PS3 you will only go looking for the next one, it's a gamers nature mate! :)
    Edited by 1 at 17/04/08 @ 10:06

  • tobsen #19 4 years ago

    Hint to MS: If you bring out a version of the console that is not LOUD AS HELL due to the internal fans being on constant overdrive, your unit sales might even quadruple!

  • anomagnus #20 4 years ago

    @ asharkman

    you want because you are told to want

    i have two flatcreen hd tvs, nothing major, a 26 inch and 32 inch

    i still want a 50 inch though......

  • JohnnyWashnGo #21 4 years ago

    @asharkman
    You keop thinking about buying a PS3 because the 360 doesn't have much life left in it.
    Sure, right now it is keeping up with the PS3, hell it is even much better in many cases.
    But that early hardware release lead and easy development model will be its downfall.

    Microsoft will have to foist another hardware revision for the xbox upon the general public to keep up with the PS3 once the great games start coming out for it. The hurdle of the notoriously difficult architecture of the PS3 will be surmounted soon and when that happens, the machine will really start to show its power.

    Therefore, any sane gamer looking at their years old xbox, which may or may not have been replace n number of times due to hardware failure, will be eyeing the PS3 in the knowledge that it has a much greater lifespan that the xbox.

    Myself, I think I will stick to the Wii for a while longer. Neither PS3 nor Xbox really interest me right now.

  • DasTJ #22 4 years ago

    Statistics be damned. I dont know anyone who has a PS3 but know several with 360's and a couple with wii's. Maybe its because i have poor friends.

  • Madafunkola #23 4 years ago

    @asharkman & Bad09
    I have the same problem. I call it "Shiny New Toys Syndrome". I'm a sucker for a gadget.
    I have bought each of the current-gen consoles, but then I have to buy something else. Currently eye-ing up a new tv for the bedroom...

  • Xerx3s #24 4 years ago

    Lies. Damned lies. Statistics?

  • Ryze #25 4 years ago

    Excellent.

  • bad09 #26 4 years ago

    @ JSPOOLE

    Thanks mate you saved me replying to that stupid comment!

  • Kryon #27 4 years ago

    @ asharkman

    "Why do i keep thinking about buying a PS3?"

    Because it plays Blu-ray movies? That's why I got one, Tekken 5 is quite good also, well, for £14.99 anyway. Apart from that I have no idea why you'd want one.

  • InsoFox #28 4 years ago

    Is the Wii really competing in a traditional sense, though? As far as I see it has it's own audience, which consists largely of nintendo-fans and non-gamers. I just bought a Wii, but it's a whole other type of thing to my 360. The Wii caters to my nostalgic side, and the slightly more whimsical part of me. On the other hand, I am not planning on buying a PS3 anytime soon as I'm finding the 360 fills that gap just fine. LittleBigPlanet's tempting, but not tempting enough.

    Incidentally, I know one person with a PS3 (and he can afford it), a couple with a Wii and quite a few with a 360. Also incidentally, I have lots of 360 games. I don't think I'll ever have as many Wii ones. But I'm guessing a few more than 3.5. I already have 2 (and 2 virtual console titles)

  • Dizzy #29 4 years ago

    I noticed a few of our local shops ran out of big stacks of 360s. So I guess the price cut has boosted sales quite a lot. Again... we have no real numbers for Europe... the race in Europe is certainly very much alive, that is the only thing that is clear. Japan and US have been more or less decided I guess.

  • BarcaAzul #30 4 years ago

    No that I give two Monkies, as all three systems are selling well, but NDP data suggests that the PS3 out sold the 360 in March too.

    [link url=http://www.next-ge n.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9946&Itemid= 2&show=1&start=4
    ]http://ww w.next-gen.biz/index.php?option...[/link]

  • Les #31 4 years ago

    "Ummm, attach rate is actually inversely proportional to hardware sales!"

    Which will probably remain the case until publishers figure out how to get the non-hardcore to buy more games than the hardcore...

  • Frumper #32 4 years ago

    I think Eurogamer should enable a drop down box in the user comments section with standard responses to this kind of news. It would save a lot of you re-typing the same stuff as the responses are always the same, it feels like Groundhog day. :o)

  • Yossarian #33 4 years ago

    It's possible 'life to date' includes games and peripherals, in which case I am not at all surprised that the 360 is dominating everyone else.

  • Kryon #34 4 years ago

    "Everyone I know who bought a Wii wishes they hadn't"

    Nonsense! The Wii was the best gaming purchase I've ever made! Got one last September for £180, realised it was utter pants after a month or two and sold it for £210 to CeX over Xmas when people were desperate to get one. First time I've ever profited financially from buying a console, splendid! :)

  • mossychops001 #35 4 years ago

    Hardcore gaming just means last place in console sales to me.
    Edited by 1 at 17/04/08 @ 10:34

  • Yossarian #36 4 years ago

    Ah, yes, that's it: Eurogamer have misreported it. It should read 'life to date revenue', which makes it a perfectly believable number. That is, since this generation began with the 360's release, Microsoft have taken in 42% of the total revenue (including hardware, software, and peripherals).

  • Darren #37 4 years ago

    @Frumper - Why stop at user comments... the PR "blurb" is the same old tat week in, week out! :p

  • betahoven #38 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 09:36:16 17-12-2011

  • penhalion #39 4 years ago

    This kind of press release is something Sony come out with all the time so what's the problem with Microsoft doing it? They never back it up with numbers and it's generally true based on the previous set of figures.

    These fanboy bate articles are finally loosing their appeal as even fanboys realise there's nothing to comment on. It's a case of Meh let's see what the NPD's say.

  • Widge #40 4 years ago

    I want a wii, if one of the people who doesn't want theirs anymore wishes to donate to me?
    A good few games out there I would like to try on that system, personally dying to have a blast at Twilight Princess.

  • Dizzy #41 4 years ago

    "FOr anyone with half a brain-cell it is clear MS are starting to panic, and if the analysts are right, and MS have failed to gain ground since stock levels got back to normal in the US, this months NPD will show that the 360 is starting to wane in the US too. "

    Hehe... at the rate the PS3 is "outselling" the 360 in the US it will only take about 18 years to catch up BTW. Fun with numbers.

  • Yossarian #42 4 years ago

    Okay guys keep squabbling about lies about 42% of 'sales'... or you could read my post.

  • Yossarian #43 4 years ago

    "Hehe... at the rate the PS3 is "outselling" the 360 in the US it will only take about 18 years to catch up BTW. Fun with numbers."

    The gap between 360s and PS3s sold in the US is actually wider than it was when there were no PS3s sold! Fun with numbers.

  • Yossarian #44 4 years ago

    Also the widely-spread and widely-believed myth that the 360 is dead in Europe outside of the UK and Ireland is exactly that: a myth. NeoGAF has been putting in the legwork:

    http://ww w.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.p...

  • seasidebaz #45 4 years ago

    42% of the market???

    what about the ps2? that's still a viable entity, and unless the world has gone upside down, has sold the most consoles... then you have the wii, which is just phenomenally successful... then the ds? everyone has one of those... and the psp!

    so.... 42%, eh? out of 200%? or do they mean in the african market?

  • Skooch #46 4 years ago

    "to be quite frank, after almost two years, if someone hasn't bought an xbox, the chances are extremely low that they will now"

    @ anomagnus - I am sorry but I have to call you out on this stupid comment. This is a really retarded thing to say. Look at the history of the PS2 for proof of sales after two years. Are you arguing that Xbox sales have flatlined? To say that they will be unlikely to sell hardly any more 360's in the coming years is just juvenile.

  • muscleblade #47 4 years ago

    Owning a 360 i must say it should cost much more than it did before the price drop. I have two actually - one for the bedroom and one for the livingroom. Im not rich but i dont have a problem spending money on quality.

  • Kryon #48 4 years ago

    8008135. Fun with numbers.

  • Yossarian #49 4 years ago

    "42% of the market???

    what about the ps2? that's still a viable entity, and unless the world has gone upside down, has sold the most consoles... then you have the wii, which is just phenomenally successful... then the ds? everyone has one of those... and the psp!

    so.... 42%, eh? out of 200%? or do they mean in the african market?"

    42% of revenue (hardware, peripherals, and software, which MS sells at a rate of 2:1 compared to Wii and PS3, if attach rates are to believed) from this generation.

    How hard is it to track down the press release and read it yourselves? Yeesh.

  • Yossarian #50 4 years ago

    No not fact.

    I despair of this place.

  • Penguinzoot #51 4 years ago

    @Yossarian

    You are banging your head against a brick wall. The user comments section is proof enough (if any were actually needed), that modern education systems need a bit of an overhaul. Like lessons in, you know, actually reading and comprehension.

  • Xerx3s #52 4 years ago

    "Fable 2, APB, Alan Wake, Alone in the Dark MONTHS before the PS3 version, Too Human, Ninja Gaiden 2, exclusive and substantial GTA 4 Content, Left 4 Dead, Halo Wars, Splinter Cell 5, Too Human, Gears of War 2 and god knows how many multiplatform games that will continue to out perform the PS3 versions.... "

    Mentioning games twice = fail.

  • Kryon #53 4 years ago

    "surely though if you were a "hardcore gamer" you would have all 3 consoles.... "

    Nah, not the Wii, that's for pussies and old folk ;)

    Edit - Oh, and Shinji :D
    Edited by 1 at 17/04/08 @ 11:15

  • Beano #54 4 years ago

    @JSPOOLE: Yes Bluray is a bad thing - bad bad Sony!

    Thanks for pointing that out to us.

    (Psst... your mum is calling and want you to take out the trash.)

  • Aretak #55 4 years ago

    It's amazing the amount of people who'll fall for poor trolls like JSPOOLE every single time. It must be so satisfying to need to put so little into your work for such results.

  • Ryze #56 4 years ago

    I'd like to take the rare opportunity to thank M$ for allowing me to amass a huge HD movie collection for £35 plus several £6's.

    Buzzin'.

  • Wash #57 4 years ago

    "Only an idiot buys an 360 now that bluray has become the standard."

    Blu-ray making games better just by being.

  • mikew1985 #58 4 years ago

    @asharkman, Bad09 & Madafunkola

    Alas I too suffer from this most horrible of dieseases, Just bought a PS3 now i somehow all of a sudden need a new expensive THX 5.1 sound system. :_( My wallet can't take it dammit all.

  • Olemak #59 4 years ago

    Got to love JSPOOLES fanboisms. FACTLOL, hehe!

    Here's another fact, then:

    The Xbox used to be just a loud joke.
    Now it is also a cheap joke.

    Fact!

    Tobsen, on the other hand, is right on the money:
    "Hint to MS: If you bring out a version of the console that is not LOUD AS HELL due to the internal fans being on constant overdrive, your unit sales might even quadruple!"

    Too true. I'd be first in line to get a silent Xbox, but the way it is today, I'll stand over here, giggling at the xbots.
    Good luck with your lolbox :D

  • BillyBrush #60 4 years ago

    Why would MS be panicking when 360 is clearly doing much much better than their origional Xbox did at this point in it's life? (they had to price cut that to get it to sell in the 1st place cough cough)

    seems like they've improved on their 1st round performance? would Sony fans disagree with that?? other companies to be fair whilst still doing well, have performed so far poorly compared to their amazing last round...would it be wrong to state that worldwide at the moment Nintendo have moved 3 - 1 in terms of console numbers, MS are stuck at 2, and Sony are catching up from 3-2?

    obviously when the powerrr is realised maybe things will change, but as per usual the PC and Crysis has already cranked it up to a level where that game will have to be reigned in for it to work on either console, even the one with magical reserves of power that it's keeping back for a rainy day...so, surprise surprise consoles are not the worlds most advanced technology

  • Xerx3s #61 4 years ago

    "Just hows how badly it sold before. Only an idiot buys an 360 now that bluray has become the standard. "

    No, an idiot would be a person that buys a console for blueray. Normal people buy consoles for games.

  • bigbadbeasty #62 4 years ago

    "That's Numberwang!"

    Thanks, that made my day! LOL!

    I sold my 360 after my 4th replacment, which then got replaced again by the person who bought it. I am tempted to buy it again, but the overall 360 noise and the reliability really play on my mind.

  • Xerx3s #63 4 years ago

    Oh Jesus wept at reading this thread.

  • GamerG #64 4 years ago

    the 360 is responsible for 42% of the next gen market share in europe LIFE TIME TO DATE

    Eurogamer got it a tad wrong

  • Beano #65 4 years ago

    "Oh Jesus wept at reading this thread."

    Amen

  • Prodigy_BE #66 4 years ago

    Sure, pricecuts always boost sales, but their real goal is to alter the publics perception. And that didn't happen.

    Nobody cares about 360 selling more. The only story that sells is "360 beats PS3". And that didn't happen.

    When PS3 just came out, Sony said some very stupid things trying to cover their ass. And people laughed.
    It seems like now its Microsofts turn.

  • Russty Cage #67 4 years ago

    Microsoft spin is pure comedy gold...

  • macmurphy #68 4 years ago

    Laughing my tits off at Yossarian explaining the stats and loads of people ignoring it whilst he keeps trying to explain. Good effort mate, I saw what you said.

    The only thing I would say is I'm not sure I believe it. Have they really taken 42% of the money spent since this gen started? I know it's got a high attach rate, but surely if Wii's sold about as many consoles then there's no way it's attach rate makes up for all the PS3 business (I realise that the 360 cost more to start with but an awful lot of people spunked cash on Wiimotes and I'm still not convinced).

    Also I'm guessing they're counting money spent on third party games. I realise they get money for every third party title, but I'm sure a lot of the money from sales is going to other developers and publishers. It would be interesting to see whether the X-box is making them much cash. I'm sure after the RROD debacle their profit margins must be laughable compared to Nintendo's, whose publishing arm is also likely to be more of a breadwinner (I acknowledge Microsoft have had some cracking scores from first party games and things like Halo3 where I'm guessing a big slice of Bungie's pie goes back to them as part owners).

    I wonder if they've been really cheeky and included 2cd hand games too, where presumably all the money goes to the retailer. As it's been around longer I'd imagine a hell of a lot has been spent on games bought more than once.

    I get the stat now (cheers Yoss) but I still don't believe it.
    Edited by 2 at 17/04/08 @ 12:13

  • Beano #69 4 years ago

    "The power of marketing on the brain dead masses is powerful."

    I just hope I will grow up and be as smart as you one day. You are really clever and insightful.

  • Beano #70 4 years ago

    I own a 360 and a PS3... so what does that make me?

    And will I still need to be shot?

  • Beano #71 4 years ago

    @JSPOOLE - Seriously, you are giving Xbox-fanboys a bad name. Try to loosen up a bit and realize that people have different tastes and preferences. No need to call people brain-dead and wanting them to be shot.

  • Olemak #72 4 years ago

    Amusing fanboyisms aside - what actually is interesting, is weather the 360 is making Microsoft money or not.

    The original xbox left red numbers for the successor (about 4 billion dollars US), and of course it did cost a bit to develop the 360. In adittion to that, there's the 1 billion dollars of losses linked to the RROD fiasco.

    Are they selling consoles with a profit today? Or are they still loosing money on each sale in order to secure marketshare? In short - does the Xbox 360, in total, make money?

    The Wii does make money on every single sale, and has always done so. The PS3 not so much, but then again, establishing the BlyRay as the next-gen video format is worth a whole lot of money. Still, they're taking a loss: it costs about 400 dollars to manufacture a PS3, which is exactly what a 40 GB model retails for in the US (at least on amazon.com). In other words, they're not making money on the console itself.

    Now - the interesting thing is: is microsoft still bleeding money bad on their console division? Do they have a sustainable business model this time around? Maybe they do, as Xbox Live seems to be a profitable service. Bud did the RROD thing mess their plans up badly? And what of these recent price cuts? Will the Xbox 360 be around for years to come, or will it be replaced by a new (and hopefully more robust and profitable) model before the decade is out?

    Apparently, the xbox did become profitable late last year. Joystiq reports:
    "In the last six years, there's been one constant when discussing Microsoft's foray into the strange and seductive world of video game console manufacturing: they had yet to turn a profit on any of it. No more, with today's announcement of Microsoft's second quarter earnings which showed a relatively impressive six-month income of $524 million (compared to a $423m loss during the same period last year) from the the Xbox's Entertainment and Devices Division."

    But then they did cut prices again - and thereby effectively romiving most of their profit margins. So - is the current bottom line in black or red numbers? Are games a profitable game for Microsoft?

    Some more numbers, then: the original xbox was discontinued 3 years and 8 months after it was launced in Europe. It was launced five months earlier in the US. So that means it had a "shelf life" of about four years, give or take.

    The xbox 360 is currently about two and a half years and old. The thing is - Microsoft are experts and loosing money, but they are also very good at discontinuing stuff that don't work out. I'm still not conviced that they're in this game for keeps. So better enjoy it while it lasts - things will be pretty boring if the next next-gen is a cometition between nintendo and sony only. I think we need Microsoft around to stir things up a bit. Even if their console is (IMHO) a joke.

  • Beano #73 4 years ago

    @Olemak : As far as I know, MS have been posting big loses for their Xbox business since launch of their first console in 2002 - except one og two quarters.

    Sony posted a profit for 2007 fiscal year due to strong PSP and PS2 sales.

    And Nintendo... they are printing money as allways ;)

  • seasidebaz #74 4 years ago


    All this thread has done is strengthen my conviction ps3 owners are brain dead, brainwashed retards who should be shot for stupidity.

    hehe that made me laugh.

    i own a ps3, am a highly successful intellectual computer programmer, have an iq of 146, and have been playing computer games for over 20 years. i suggest these *new* xbox fanboys learn how to be a *real* xbox fanboy before posting.

    i'm sorry i didn't read properly before posting my previous comment, but the xbox made up 42% of revenue? i find that hard to believe given that world of warcraft subscriptions made up 60% of all revenue every month since it was launched and that only leaves 40percents for the rest lol

  • king_skins #75 4 years ago

    @ Beano.

    Didn't they make a profit last year? I would assume its carried on since then... and as they designed the 360 be be easily cost reduced I would say they are making a profit on every 360 sold now and have been for a while.

  • Yaz #76 4 years ago

    "am a highly successful intellectual computer programmer, have an iq of 146"

    And modest too. ;)

  • king_skins #77 4 years ago

    "i'm sorry i didn't read properly before posting my previous comment, but the xbox made up 42% of revenue? i find that hard to believe given that world of warcraft subscriptions made up 60% of all revenue every month since it was launched and that only leaves 40percents for the rest lol "

    they are only concerned with the next-gen market, duh.

  • Beano #78 4 years ago

    "Didn't they make a profit last year?"

    For one quarter yes - as I wrote :)

  • Dizzy #79 4 years ago

    >Microsoft are experts at loosing money

    So funny.

    "Microsoft's profits rose 23 percent in its first fiscal quarter, to $4.29 billion, according to financial results just released by the company. "

    "Sony, on the other hand, was making a profit right up until he launch of the PS3, lost money for a few quarters, then started making it again very soon after thanks to their entire product line doing well and the Ps3 not making such big losses.
    "
    Hahahaha...

    Sony had to sell of their Cell plant, fire 10000 people and they still lost money. Ps3 will NOT make them money the next few years. Bluray will of course.... that is why games don't matter much to them.
    Edited by 2 at 17/04/08 @ 12:46

  • hobo57 #80 4 years ago

    I will only consider purchasing a 360 if and when Microsoft fix the obviously faulty hardware (RROD)... for now i'll stick with the obviously superior Casio Boxing BG15 calculator.

    [link url=ht tp://www.handheldmuseum.com/Casio/BoxingBG15.htm
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  • Prodigy_BE #81 4 years ago

    JSPOOLE, if you're gonna keep on defending MS, then I suggest you look out for a part time job. Because I see dark clouds up ahead for them. And all them Sony fanboys who got bashed in forum chatter last year, want their revenge.

    I suggest a few weeks of Typing of the Dead, just to warm up.

  • seasidebaz #82 4 years ago

    @dizzy: thanks to strong sales of its operating systems, versions of office, and one "microsoft surface" sale to at&t for a price of $4.3billion

  • BillyBrush #83 4 years ago

    Newsflash - Microsoft have a lot of money, they can afford to roll some dice if they want to

  • Beano #84 4 years ago

    "M$ Posted profits based on the huuuuuuge sales of Halo 3, and that lasted for 2 uarters."

    I just did some searching... you are right. MS posted a $500 profit for the last 6 months in january. It's be interesting to see how they performs now that Halo 3 is "gone" and they have been forced to cut prices in Europe.

  • Dizzy #85 4 years ago

    "JSPOOLE, if you're gonna keep on defending MS, then I suggest you look out for a part time job. Because I see dark clouds up ahead for them"

    You know I have been reading that line on SlashDot for the last 10 years.

    Sony totally lost dominance of the console world from far away first to third place and they are doing great? You guys are a gullible bunch.
    Edited by 2 at 17/04/08 @ 12:48

  • Beano #86 4 years ago

    "Newsflash - Microsoft have a lot of money, they can afford to roll some dice if they want to "

    Everybody know that - but MS are still reponsible to shareholders and if their Xbox business is continuing to lose money, this will affect their direction. But I don't expect they will pull out anytime soon.
    Edited by 1 at 17/04/08 @ 12:53

  • BillyBrush #87 4 years ago

    ProdigyB_E

    Has Bill Gates had a fiddle with your sister?

    if not, lighten up, £159 to play dead rising, gears, and bioshock is good value, if you were a proper gamer you'd get one, you could still scoff how much better the grill is....nothing is going to stop me playing the next ICO team game, even if Sony and their fans are a bunch of tards, fumito ueda is still one of the best game designers on the planet, another top studio is Valve, others include Capcom...heard of these people?
    Edited by 1 at 17/04/08 @ 12:56

  • Dizzy #88 4 years ago

    @dizzy: thanks to strong sales of its operating systems, versions of office, and one "microsoft surface" sale to at&t for a price of $4.3billion

    So? Sony also has only a few profitable divisions (and no the PS3 one is not one of them). That is the reality of big companies.

    They have a super high attach rate. I wouldn't worry at all about their profit at the moment. They can probably reduce the 360 by another 100$ and still be happy. Actually I expect another price cut by XMas.

    At least 360 people do not have to buy new controllers and get gimped new versions of their console to generate some profit for their company he?

  • Dizzy #89 4 years ago

    >Has Bill Gates had a fiddle with your sister?

    He works for Playstation Magazine Belgium. Nuff said. We pointed this out ages ago in a long thread :)

  • Ali_sdf_pwn3d #90 4 years ago

    haha ps3 wins!!!! xbots and fanboys cant take it!!!

  • Beano #91 4 years ago

    "At least 360 people do not have to buy new controllers and get gimped new versions of their console to generate some profit for their company he?"

    True - both the Xbox 360 and the controller was gimped at launch :)

  • Dizzy #92 4 years ago

    "True - both the Xbox 360 and the controller was gimped at launch :) "

    Now you are just being a troll. So be it.
    Edited by 1 at 17/04/08 @ 13:14

  • Fwing #93 4 years ago

    @Olemak

    "Amusing fanboyisms aside - what actually is interesting, is weather the 360 is making Microsoft money or not. "

    No, that's not actually interesting at all :)

  • prolific8 #94 4 years ago

    "True - both the Xbox 360 and the controller was gimped at launch :) "

    If that's the case, then something went seriously wrong with the PS3 if the "gimped" 360 still manages to run just about every game better ;)

  • Beano #95 4 years ago

    "No you are just being a troll. So be it. "

    Well... because I don't agree, I'm a troll?

    What about no HDMI at launch, wi-fi and bigger HDD expensive add-on, unacceptable noise levels, surprise RRoD, crappy d-pad, etc.?

    I own both a 360 and PS3 and none of them are perfect IMO - they both have strong and weak sides.

    EDIT: Ideally - Sony should do the hardware (what they do best) and Microsoft the software (what they do best) - but a HD console monopoly would propably not be a good thing for consumers ;)
    Edited by 3 at 17/04/08 @ 13:21

  • Ghost_Dog #96 4 years ago

    Why does everybody care how much these giant corporations make?

    Microsoft official said they are doing well, Sony suit says we are doing better, blah blah blah blah blah...........

    Microsoft aren't trying to make money from the XBOX, it is just a way of expanding their products and services into more homes.

    You should be discussing the games and which are better etc... which to be fair to the XBOX, has a good selection (no I don't own one, before you ask) and its competitively priced.

    Sony fanboys are just annoyed that their favorite corporation isn't walking away with this generation, like they have previously.

  • Beano #97 4 years ago

    "Why does everybody care how much these giant corporations make? "

    Ask Eurogamer... they posted the article about Xbox 360 sales ;)

  • CallousB #98 4 years ago

    I'm sure the price cut helped increase 360 sales to a degree...but lets not forget that the Easter holdiays will have contributed just as much to the sales boost.

    It was reported that sales of the PS3 were boosted by 73% in the UK over the Easter week...and 360 was boosted 78%....so any increase is as much to do with the time of the year as the price cut.

  • Ghost_Dog #99 4 years ago

    @Beano

    Yeah, I know. But why does everybody have to bicker like little children and so worked over sales figures?

    None of these current consoles are going to be dropped overnight because of recent sales figures. They have all sold enough to be worth supporting for a few good years.

    With the XBOX selling nearly double the amount of games (which is where the real money is made) per console compared to the PS3, Microsoft cant be too worried just yet. Plus they have a bottomless pit of cash to prop up the XBOX for years at a loss.

    Sony should be more worried (though not too worried, sales are getting better), the PS3 has a much higher build cost (which makes it better than the XBOX in hardware terms), not selling as many games per machine (better than Wii though) and they don't have the sheer wealth of Microsoft (should the PS3 run into trouble).

    Can we talk games now?

  • seasidebaz #100 4 years ago

    @jspoole: not unless the rock lived on a council estate in 1981...

    seriously, though, i like the 360, what i don't like is the way the marketing people put a spin on figures and then all the fanboys jump to defend their consoles. sony and microsoft have both made brilliant consoles, i just don't get the fanboyism anymore. it was acceptable in the 80's, but then again so was racism. let's just let bygones be bygones and enjoy some more great years of gaming.

    and if we have to put up with fanboys, then coke is teh bestest and pepsi sucks your mums hairy ass

  • Les #101 4 years ago

    "Just bought a PS3 now i somehow all of a sudden need a new expensive THX 5.1 sound system. :_( My wallet can't take it dammit all."

    Better save some more for a 7.1 audio set, PS3 games as well as Blu-Ray movies support it... ;)

  • seasidebaz #102 4 years ago

    If your were any of the above u would surely know by now how to shut ur gob

    nah, it's less fun if i keep my gob shut :)

  • Les #103 4 years ago

    "Microsoft aren't trying to make money from the XBOX, it is just a way of expanding their products and services into more homes."

    LOL. At one point MS might have seen the xbox as just another way to get windows and other proprietary stuff into the living room (so defending the PC monopoly). But as that monopoly slowly falls apart, they will have to find different sources of revenue to secure the long term survival of the company. So now they look (once again) at Apple and try to mimic that company (once again): creating hardware/software combinations that people actually want. And they try to be like Google by taking over Yahoo.

  • Xerx3s #104 4 years ago

    "am a highly successful intellectual computer programmer, have an iq of 146"

    And modest too. ;)

    And there is a lot the modest about as well. Cosidering the fact that there are loads of people on this forum that fit that description.

  • Xerx3s #105 4 years ago

    "Sony had to sell of their Cell plant, fire 10000 people and they still lost money. Ps3 will NOT make them money the next few years. Bluray will of course.... that is why games don't matter much to them."

    I don't see what is so funny about 10000 people losing their jobs.

  • thepiedpiper #106 4 years ago

    "Your mum."

    "No. Your Mum."

    etc etc etc...

  • Xerx3s #107 4 years ago

    "Everybody know that - but MS are still reponsible to shareholders and if their Xbox business is continuing to lose money, this will affect their direction. But I don't expect they will pull out anytime soon."

    Not 100% true. If they lost money without a plan they would be fucked indeed. If the plan (i.e.) however was to stall sony because it forms a threath to windows or ms's future plans, then losing a couple of 100 million every once in a while isn't so bad as long as your other products make up for it.

  • Prodigy_BE #108 4 years ago


    Has Bill Gates had a fiddle with your sister?

    if not, lighten up, £159 to play dead rising, gears, and bioshock is good value, if you were a proper gamer you'd get one, you could still scoff how much better the grill is....nothing is going to stop me playing the next ICO team game, even if Sony and their fans are a bunch of tards, fumito ueda is still one of the best game designers on the planet, another top studio is Valve, others include Capcom...heard of these people?

    I got one on launch. And I had it replaced about eight months back. It RROD' on me while playing Bioshock.
    And yes, I played Dead Rising, Bioshock and all other great 360 titles.

    And I laughed when that Sony bloke said "I give you 100$ for each PS3 you find" right after the US launch. With tons of them sitting on shelves.

    But this is as stupid as that was then.


    Sony has always been a Hardware company. Make the most advanced stuff, that's their thing, for more than 20 years now. And that's what keeps them alive. I'm no fanboy, I just have an opinion. And my opinion is that Sony did the right thing thinking on the long term. They could have developed a console that was released alongside the 360, with just DVD and an Intel processor. And they would have beaten MS that way. But that would have been thinking on the short term. Now they've got a machine that can go the extra mile (once devs figure it out, which they will), they can use the next disk format to drive sales and they've got a quiet and reliable machine that is perfectly suited as media center.

    My PS3 has a big HDD, which hold ALL my cd's and is hooked up to a soundsystem that provides sound in my whole house. And with them being Columbia TriStar and all, they eventually get around to Downloadable movies and stuff.

    And I know, Xbox can do some of that stuff to, but with 16 gig of HDD space, insane upgrade prices, a noisy console (really, it sucks when you just want background music) and HD-DVD (which I luckily didn't get), they lose.

    Its just funny to see the Xbox spin doctors trying to come up with excuses to make us believe otherwise (stock shortages in februari being the previous one), whilst they know they will just be the Nr 3 this generation. If you're buying one console, buy the PS3. If you're a casual gamer, buy the Wii. And if you are a hardcore gamer (and that means everyone who visits EG during the day), you should buy all three.

    I have, and I didn't regret is for a second. Bioshock, Halo 3... they're all ace. And so is Metroid 3 and Mario Galaxy and Zelda. And Uncharted and MotorStorm... well, you get my point. PlayStation 3 is just the Nr 1 in my book, that's all.

  • Beano #109 4 years ago

    @Xerx3s : I understood the original argument (which is used all the time) and does not disagree completely - but no matter how much they make in the end - loosing "a couple of 100 million dollers" (more like 1 billion a year in reality based on the the previous years) it is still a LOT of money for shareholders if there's no light at the end of the tunnel.
    Edited by 1 at 17/04/08 @ 14:46

  • Olemak #110 4 years ago

    Swam: yes, well put.

    MS does have deep pockets, but buying Yahoo will still be expensive. They might have to "leverage their strategies" or whatever they say when they concider taking an axe to unprofitable divisions.

    I'm not saying they will axe the xbox. I'm just saying the xbox is definately on the table, as it should be for any dynamic, agressive corporation like Microsoft. If a division is loosing money, will continue to loose money in the forseeable future and does not offer very valuable synergies (like the playstation did for Sony, with the Blu-Ray thing), the axe might be put to use. There's a posibility. And that why I think it is interesting weather the Xbox is making money or not at the current price point.

    Even if I don't want an xbox just yet, I'd hate to see the platfrom get axed or not have another iteration next generation.

  • DrDamn #111 4 years ago

    @lavalant
    Whether it is right or wrong the main beneficiary of GTAIV's release will PS3 in my opinion. Lots of people out there associate it with the PS brand and more people will buy a PS3 to play GTAIV on than will get a 360. Both platforms will see a boost, but it will be larger for the PS3 - certainly in Europe.

    Dunno whether it's been mentioned yet but both platforms saw a boost in sales since 14/03 in Europe because of Easter. Boosts were comparable in size. The 360 price drop was nice, but realistically it wasn't all that big was it?

  • bad09 #112 4 years ago

    @ DrDamn

    I dunno about that, I saw the the 360 ad earlier on you tube and with the from £159 price at the end that may be the deciding factor when people trot off to the shops for something to play GTA4, not some association with the PS brand (which I'm not so sure exists anyway)

  • Prodigy_BE #113 4 years ago

    @ DiamondIce

    Hey, I'm not saying all their stuff is brilliant.
    But thats their philosophy. Technology drives everything they do. In all their harware divisions.

    I got an iPod, and I also think some other MP3 players are Cheaper AND better. But did you see the sales of Apple's iPod?

  • DrDamn #114 4 years ago

    @bad09
    Sure but people are not buying a console for a single game. The release is another reason for them to get a PS3 and push them over the edge. Again we are not talking about what is the right choice for these people but what will actually happen. Look at how surprisingly well the PS3 is selling with a load of games which are better on a cheap 360 currently. If this association with the PS brand does not exist then how would you explain it's current performance?

  • Dizzy #115 4 years ago

    1. To convince the world to switch to Vista.

    A sold XP is just as much money as a sold Vista.

    2. To convince the world not to switch to Firefox.

    Oh yea... losing a lot of money on that one. How much is a browser again? Dude the browser wars were settled 10 year ago. Nobody really cares anymore what browser is on your system.

    3. Web. 2.0.

    Web 2.0 bubble you mean.

    4. Music downloads.

    True... I would argue that only Apple rules there. No one else is making money.

    5. PocketPC.

    Hahaha! WM is doing very well. You have no idea how many devices are running a WM version. Chances are that the scanners in your local supermarket are WM. Or the little handhelds that the post office use to sign your registered mail :)

  • Madlax #116 4 years ago

    Way to spin data Microsoft, double sales.....eh ?

    Isnt it about time that we are freed from Microsofts monopoly ? i dont see why any European would support Microsoft scheme to control our homes and charge us for everything. i believe its about time to raise the red card on Microsoft and say 'enough'

    heh...looks like some memebers of the EU parliament agrees with me:

    http://ww w.groklaw.net/article.php?story... ;)

    eh....looks like i,m drunk again, however that doesnt mean what i just said isnt true ;)

  • Les #117 4 years ago

    With regards to the GTA IV discussion, I think DrDamn will turn out to be right. PS3 apparently has a GTA IV bundle, it has Blu-Ray and it is more expensive than the 360 while not too expensive to be out of reach for the mainstream. Consoles are luxury products and I guess Europeans value style a little more than Americans/Britons. The higher price point of PS3 might actually make it more attractive by sending out the message that it isn't just a toy.

    So I expect the 360 version to outsell the PS3 version but the game will shift more PS3s though not nearly as many as Sony would like. GTA is old news, Wii has stolen the spotlight.
    Edited by 1 at 17/04/08 @ 16:27

  • Ghost_Dog #118 4 years ago

    @Les

    Just to clear up. I'm not defending Microsoft (I'm typing this on my mac using Firefox), as I'm no fan of them.

    But then, I'm no Sony fan either. I still haven't jumped onboard to the whole current Gen (dont play games as much nowdays, PS2 gathering dust if it wasn't for kids using it for Singstar), but if I did, it would be 360. PS3 is a nice piece of kit, but I could see myself using it much, not until the games improve.

    360 gives gamers the best gaming (i.e. it has a better selection of games) on current Gen at the best price (apart from Live costing £30-40).

  • Ghost_Dog #119 4 years ago

    @Les

    I agree on your last comment.

    I know plenty of people who have a PS3 just to say that they have the most expensive console... oh and its a Sony dont you know.

    These people also use it to watch Blu-Ray movies, play FIFA and.... erm not much else. But then, they are not real gamers. They turn their nose up at PS2 games (because they are sooo old and have NES graphics) and don't care that Sony Europe are raping them with higher priced, lesser speced machines.

  • Les #120 4 years ago

    @ Ghost_Dog

    Why not use Camino, fits better with the rest of the OS? Unless of course you require Firefox's power features. ;)

    I'm no fan of any of the platform holders. I must admit that if it wasn't for the PS3 being region-free (giving me easy access to US and Japanese baseball games amongst others with the nice side effect of saving me a lot of money on all my game purchases), I wouldn't have jumped on the current gen either. So far 360 and PS3 haven't produced anything that blows the last gen away IMO.

    I can't argue with you on 360 having the largest game library of the current consoles. But those games clearly don't attract the mainstream consumer and I doubt a price drop will help. As I mentioned above, with luxury products a higher price point can be an advantage: It makes your product look better. Whether or not it actually is better than the competition is irrelevant. It's all about perception.

  • Ghost_Dog #121 4 years ago

    @Les

    I was almost tempted by the PS3, purely based on the better build quality, free online gaming and Blu-Ray. But every time I'm about to take the leap, I think of the games I want to play on the 360 (Gears, Halo3, Bioshock, Dead Rising, Alan Wake, better multi-platform versions of games etc...).

    I think I might hold out a bit longer. I still enjoy last Gen games anyway.

  • bad09 #122 4 years ago

    @ DrDamn

    I'm not denying PS3 is doing well but the thing is there is a lot of people who will buy a console just for GTA4. I said it before GTA is a system seller one of the biggest I reckon from seeing people buy consoles for the past GTAs. Last gen yes it was selling PS2s but only because it was on PS2 first. Later it went to PC and Xbox, that's why I don't believe people think Playstation when they think GTA not like games such as tekken, MGS or ridge racer. This time no exclusive period means trouble for Sony, we knew this from when the game was announced multi format.

    Unless people are looking for a BR player as well when they buy £199 is a lot more appealing than £299 and I'm sure it will sway quite a few people who are not so brand loyal. But then again I'm sure the GTA ps3 bundle will shift as well. Everyones happy - especially Rockstar!

  • DrDamn #123 4 years ago

    @bad09
    I take your point, but GTA4 is a bigger reason to buy a PS3 than a 360. Why? Because the 360 already has a slew of big reasons to get it, PS3 doesn't. So in terms of tipping people over the edge to get one or the other I still think the PS3 will benefit most.

    @Les
    "GTA is old news, Wii has stolen the spotlight."
    Agree with your first point on price. That has always been the way with Sony stuff - they never try to be or look the cheapest, that is part of the image they want to project. That point quoted above is a serious case of apples and oranges. There is more than one spotlight out there and much more than one target audience.

  • Xerx3s #124 4 years ago

    "Isnt it about time that we are freed from Microsofts monopoly ? i dont see why any European would support Microsoft scheme to control our homes and charge us for everything. i believe its about time to raise the red card on Microsoft and say 'enough' "

    God, I thought that this kind of stupidity died with slashdot's credibility. Oh yes, the EVIL MS monopoly! OMG, they is t3h evil! Yeah, let's back another mega(gaming)corporation that has arse raped us countless times with their monopoly in the past decade. Or better yet, back the one that arse raped us before that!

    Don't start about open source and linux, as a coder i have had nothing but extremely bad experiences with that amateurism.

    Grow up please, ms hate is childish and small-minded at best. I'll back whoever has the best deal on the market for me and I wont be such a tool to let hidden agenda's of other entities cloud my judgement when I make my judgement.

    As for monopoly; Yeah the world would have been so much better if noone forced a single standard. Want to install that printer? Sure but you need to write your own drivers as that thing is not compatible with this pc. Want to talk monopolies? I can name you some other companies who aren't foul of such things but I'm sure that you won't find it trendy to hate them for it.

  • Dizzy #125 4 years ago

    So a company owning your music, your movies, your games and you hardware is better?

    Rootkit anybody? We can fill a few pages here if you want.

  • Calgon #126 4 years ago

    I dont beleive the PS3 sales figures are going to be as accurate as Wii or 360 for the first half of 08... Sony persuaded retailers to anticipate demand so there could be a stock pile in alot of places as they hope for Blu-Ray to catch on... and wait a good while IMO too.

    If the PS3 is still outselling the 360 then no wonder Europe is treated with little respect... really interested to see what happens when the cheaper stand alone Blu-Ray players arrive on shelves, because as far as gaming goes at present PS3 is the least appealing to casuals and hardcore gamers alike... shut up with your "wheres the variety" Sonybots because your console's even worse.

    Again they are all doing quite well so far this year, anyone trying to SPIN(yes and you were calling MS on that? gah!) it into "look I found some figures, I barely understand them but surely this means the doomed?"(Les thats you) needs to stop being a clown/moron.
    Edited by 4 at 17/04/08 @ 19:50

  • captainrentboy #127 4 years ago

    I've got an IQ of 194, and I'm a brain surgeon.
    Just saying, that's all.
    Ohh, and I own a 360.

  • Les #128 4 years ago

    "OMG, they is t3h evil! Yeah, let's back another mega(gaming)corporation that has arse raped us countless times with their monopoly in the past decade. Or better yet, back the one that arse raped us before that!"

    Problem with this argument is that there are no other mega corporations (gaming or in whatever sector) in recent memory that did what MS did with Windows/Office. And when they did occur in the past we created market authorities. The good thing is that with market authorities failing at their job (with the help of some nice bribe/lobby money from MS paid over the backs of consumers) the market itself is putting an end to MS's dominance. Without the crap of Windows/Office, open source wouldn't have nearly been as successful. MS's 'business partners' learned that the non-MS option is the wiser one in the long term. If anything MS's gross misbehavior had made companies and consumers warry to hand another company as much power as MS obtained.

    There's no reason to 'hate' MS as a brand/company. It's leadership is at fault. It has shown gross misconduct towards its customers and for that it deserves nothing but contempt. Defending indefensible behavior is real stupidity, even if it's against the vogue...

    "I'll back whoever has the best deal on the market for me and I wont be such a tool to let hidden agenda's of other entities cloud my judgement when I make my judgement."

    And you'll turn a blind eye to the hidden agenda of the company that offers you the best short term deal even if it will be damaging in the long run? I hope not. You'd be worse than a tool...

    "Want to talk monopolies? I can name you some other companies who aren't foul of such things but I'm sure that you won't find it trendy to hate them for it."

    I'd be very interested to learn about (non-state) monopolies that come anything close to MS's with Windows/Office. I predict you can't. In most cases market authorities do their job.

  • ronuds #129 4 years ago

    Les, will you give it up already. Seriously...you sound a bit childish. "Boo hoo, Windows is most popular because MS is teh evil!" Windows didn't just magically spring up from the ground and onto everyone's computer one day. It's the most popular for more reasons than "MS is evil." Sure, MS grew exponentially and was able to push the subject, but I shudder to think what our PC world would be like today if we had 50 different OS standards floating around. I doubt it'd be a better place.

    And while you sit there and point the finger at MS, it's just as easy to do the same to Sony or just about any other company with power. Did we really need blu-ray? The DVD-Consortium decided on a standard, but Sony and their arrogance decided it wasn't good enough (even though there's very little difference between HD DVD and BD). Did Sony do this because it "had the consumer in mind?" Hell no! It had freakin' Sony and only Sony in mind. Sony started an uneccesary war and put us all through the pain of having to either wait or make a hard decision on which to buy. Thanks, Sony...how kind of you! Geez, we could have NEVER have survived with HD DVD over blu-ray...thank God Sony came along and showed us the way. And then everyone's happy w/Sony when the war's finally over. Newflash, people...Sony's the only reason there was a war in the first place! What a fookin' crock of shiite.

    Take the PS3 as another example...would Sony have been so pompous had the XBOX won last round or come close? Do you think you'd have a floundering, overpriced console today if Sony actually gave a crap about the consumer? Was it us gamers calling for a ridiculously-priced console with a bunch of features hardly anybody needs, that do just about everything apart from playing games?

    Good grief, some of your arguments are so damn lame and comical. If you're going to cry about MS, you can have a cry over Sony as well because they're just as bad. Sony's biggest problem, and probably why they're not seen as "evil" as MS, is that their hardware isn't as good as the competition anymore, yet they still charge as if it is - like people don't have options these days. I could think of 3 or 4 electronics manufacturers that I'd much rather buy from. Can't say the same about MS and all of their products.
    Edited by 4 at 17/04/08 @ 22:05

  • miiiguel #130 4 years ago

    I would like very, very much to know what MS did with Windows/Office ?
    My opinion is they did an affordable OS and electronic office package, which reached the status of a "standard".

    The so proclaimed "market authorities" (European) are not charging MS for anything related to Office or Windows per/se, they started an inquiry after a complain by Sun MicroSystems regarding the (oh my god! they're giving it for free! so bad for the consumer!) the inclusion in Windows of a Media Player and a browser! I mean, those were the days that Sun was pissed at MS (I remember around 4 years ago their IT members couldn't use anything MS related in their "gadgetery" - they ended choosing all different flavors of Linux and it was a mess. Now that they've arranged an agreement they all use Windows and WM phones).
    IMO, the undeniable "almost monopoly" in the low to mid range solutions was earned, that's theit target like HPUX and Solaris are the "de facto" only possible solutions for the datacenter nowdays. Linux is a "funny little" thing but I would never, ever in my wildest dreams purpose to my boss to change "my" Solaris/HPUX machines for a Linux solution. Why? Who would "put the neck" in the line if shit hits the fan? - and my mail/office colleague thinks the same about the possibility of changing "his" Windows based machines.
    Anyway, MS might have killed Netscape, but with all due respect that its developers deserve, what is true is my father learned to go to the internet with Explorer and Netscape was around for more than a few years already, so they should have done a better job. And I'm not going "not buy" a MS equipment because they're giving a browser and a media player along with their OS. I'm not a hippie.

    There..., but I still would like to know - what MS did with Windows/Office ?
    As I continue to hear about "misbehavior to consumers" and other vague stuff... Care to ilustrate? Someone?

    And yet, the new "thing" that MS (although deep pockets, and monopolist???!) is expert in loosing money. Care to remember that these "experts in losing money" managed to sell 1 (one) million copies of.... UNO? I mean..., this is real weird that a company managed to sell a few mega bytes card game to 1000000 users? In the 21st century, and then put a fee on top in order to play it online? If this is being dumb.
    Edited by 4 at 18/04/08 @ 00:14

  • miiiguel #131 4 years ago

    Swam wrote:
    As for £200 bundle for GTA - yeah, get the 360 version and have a realistic jet engine sound effect next to you at all times bundled for free!


    Swam wrote:
    HAHAHAHAHAhAhAHA! Exactly as I predicted.
    Full of bitter, jealous XBOTS desperately trying to trash GT5p!


    Swam wrote:
    Yes you are, you own an XBOX 360 - therefore you are commenting as a jealous XBOX owner.


    Swam wrote:
    Frankly your criticism of GT and GT5p specifically is clearly based on what you have read from your fellow XBOTS, rather than anything you've actually played.


    Swam wrote:
    I'm sure MS has a few PS3s too - but does that make them any less XBOX promoters?
    Nope.

    It just means they have a PS3.

    It doesnt stop you being an XBOT whatever you think.


    Swam wrote:
    So all it boils down to is if this extra content is actually worth waiting for and paying for on the 360, and whether you can put up with XBOX Live going down like a whores draws every time more than 10 people try to download somthing, and wether you want to put up with a jet engine next to you :-)


    Swam wrote:
    So what are people buying to make their 360s die?

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    Yes, Swam is a very "balanced" individual...
    Edited by 1 at 18/04/08 @ 00:31

  • Drumstix #132 4 years ago

    To those that keep bashing Sony, remember when the PS1 first launched? ... At over $150. there wasn't hardly any CD players that were cheap but the PS1 played normal CD's out the box. So sure Blu-Ray isn't cheap now but they do play alot of different formats and over time they will get cheaper. I bet when the PS3 is the same age as the Xbox360, at its ending life-cycle, it will be alot cheaper than today. By the way I like the Xbox controller alot better than PS3, so both systems shares pros/cons. Did anyone think that maybe this publicity for Msoft with GTA4 this summer is there way of unloading as many as possible before releasing their NEW SKU for the soon holiday season which may or may not include a blu-ray drive? "Limitations of DVD9" Or replay the days of multiple discs being loaded at certain points. I also think we're a few years before things go completely DL'ed. (dodges flames) We're in this together, each company fueling the other, so we all have great games in the end.

  • DrDamn #133 4 years ago

    @Aspic
    360 Tech is not looking old and tired as any one of the recent EG comparison piece will show. Perhaps there may be a perception of this in some people - but they'd be wrong what with all the evidence shouting "NO!" at them and all.

    Regarding the whole competition thing - it's great for gamers. Whether you have a PS3, a 360 or both you should want both systems to sell reasonably.
    Edited by 1 at 18/04/08 @ 09:38

  • miiiguel #134 4 years ago

    The trend continues, the ones who complain about Live, and now the amazing "360 is old - LOL!" are the ones who don't have one! Amazing!
    Care to show 1 (just one!) game that performs better on a PS3 ?

  • Drumstix #135 4 years ago

    Burnout Paradise ... you said just one ... lol