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XBLA vs. PSN vs. WiiWare/Virtual Console Comments by Dan Whitehead

7 October, 2008

We've played everything on them, so which is best?

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Vic
07/10/08 @ 13:04
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@ Kryon

Isnt it funny that you feel the need to respond to the 'SDF' in every single thread?

Given up the facade of owning a PS3 already..?
Kryon
07/10/08 @ 13:07
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Vic

Not every PS3 owner is an SDF imbecile. There are plenty of people on this site who know I have a PS3 because I'm on their PSN friends lists. Just because you're a single console owning fanboy zealot, doesn't mean we all are.
07/10/08 @ 13:13
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Go on Kyron get your handbag out!!!!!
Vic
07/10/08 @ 13:13
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'single console owning fanboy zealot'

So owning a single console is a crime now?

You'd have to blind not to notice that there at least as many 360 fanboys on Eurogamer, as there are PS3 fanboys, yet I have NEVER seen you slate a 360 fanboy.

Dont want to upset your buddies eh? :D
septimus
07/10/08 @ 13:14
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What the hell? You'd think WipeOut HD would be PS3's defining game.

WiiWare blows. Live has some very good games, but is as disjointed as PSN. Give it a year and PSN/Live will be equal in most respects.
muscleblade
07/10/08 @ 13:19
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@djronz

You bought the wrong console then eh. I have enough money for every new console though - thats one of the reasons i dont have the time i guess.
Kryon
07/10/08 @ 13:23
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"So owning a single console is a crime now? "

Maybe not a crime as such... It's a bit 1985 though, don't you think?
muscleblade
07/10/08 @ 13:23
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@Vic

Why such an angry tone. So you didnt buy the best console - live with it.
Widge
07/10/08 @ 13:26
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The console you own is the best console.
Kryon
07/10/08 @ 13:27
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"The console you own is the best console. "

True, but if you own all three it goes like this:

1: 360

2: PS3

3: Wii
sopaman
07/10/08 @ 13:37
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I'm guessing this was written before Wipeout HD came out...
Vic
07/10/08 @ 13:44
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@ musclebalde

Luckily I have a PC, so when any decent 360 exclusives are released, I'll be playing them in a nice high resolution with 4xAA on a machine that makes less noise than the 360, and is much less likely to overheat.

Till then, I'll be playing Wipeout HD and MGS 4 (well until LBP, R2, Valkyria Chronicles and KZ2 are released).
flyingsupernerds
07/10/08 @ 13:46
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Another shit article.
hahayou
07/10/08 @ 13:50
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Rob/Dan - That paragraph is now in twice, one on each side of the first page break.

Angry fanboys resume below:
Kenshin001
07/10/08 @ 13:51
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PSN has Burnout Paradise, Warhawk and GT5P. How the writer can ignore those games is incomprehensible since games like these destroy everything else on the other consoles in terms of quality full games you can keep on your HDD and boot up any time between disc games.

The absence of any mention of Wipeout HD also gets an automatic -5 points.

nbnz
07/10/08 @ 13:52
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No Killer titles for PSN? Um, WipEout HD, Siren Blood Curse, Ratchet & Clank Quest for Booty, Pixel Junk Eden & Monsters, Echochrome. And now full size releases like Burnout Paradise. And you mention Bionic Commando against XBL but not PSN?
Dizzy
07/10/08 @ 13:53
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>Luckily I have a PC, so when any decent 360 exclusives are released,

Only one to two years later. You into Retro gaming?
El-Dev
07/10/08 @ 13:53
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Don't care about the rest of the article, but how the hell is thursday awkward and wednesday is not? or friday...or saturday...or sunday...or monday...or tuesday?



Razorus
07/10/08 @ 13:54
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I've been spending like a right bastard on all three. And I don't know why. Nintendo seriously needs the option for trials or demos. The amount of times I've downloaded classic games thinking they were still good, and being thoroughly disappointed, sheesh! Golden Axe, I'm looking at you, you nasty piece of shit.
I recently downloaded Earthworm Jim. It's surprisingly difficult and there's a retarded graphic glitch. I also downloaded Super Puzzle Fighter 2 HD on the PSN. There's no replay value, but I got over-excited.
07/10/08 @ 14:05
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El-Dev, I also spotted this. It was a stupid stupid thing to write.
andywilkie35
07/10/08 @ 14:07
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@stopit

That housemate would be me! I've had a look but it says "Super Stardust HD Full Version Key" is 278kb, and "Super Stardust HD Solo Expansion Unlock Key" is also 278kb. Basically they gave me the expansion twice but charged me for the whole lot. And I've asked that they sort this out but they haven't helped me out at all yet....sigh...thanks for your help tho :)
Vic
07/10/08 @ 14:14
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@Dizzy

'Only one to two years later.'

Yeah, luckily GOW and Halo arent too high up my most wanted list...
Blitz
07/10/08 @ 14:21
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I dont know if its mentioned here, but it wasnt mentioned in the article and for me personnally its a big issue.


PRICE:

Regardless of how much the product cost, the fact that for both the wii and the 360 I can walk into a shop and buy a block of points is a very big + for me.

I know Sony have a similar system *coming* but its not here in Ireland yet and thats a big issue for me seeing as I dont have a credit card.

I also would say its a big issue among younger gamers.
kazumA82
07/10/08 @ 14:33
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What a joke. Does Eurogamer even have a PS3 at their offices?
JoeNut
07/10/08 @ 14:34
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yet again eurogamer comes up with a biased article in favour of the 360.

how do you win by CHARGING for the service?
You didnt mention that ps3 has warhawk, wipeout HD and burnout paradise?

who wrote this worthless article?
Widge
07/10/08 @ 14:38
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Have a sift through this comment thread to see who wrote the article. I think its somewhere on the first page, where it says that this was written before Wipeout HD was available and it is indeed the PS3's killer network title.
Buztafen
07/10/08 @ 14:38
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Playing through Braid at the mo in between bouts of Doom, Pixeljunk Monsters and Super Metroid....

I'll take em all ta, the variety is big enough.
back2funk
07/10/08 @ 14:39
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@DanWhitehead - If this was written 2 weeks ago, then why did you not update it to add the PSN titles such as Wipeout? I mean, you managed to update it to include the news about the 360 dashboard update and include a link to an article posted yesterday.

Heres a thought, maybe you couldn't be arsed? Is that closer to the mark.

Journalism of the shitest degree, Utter tosh.

In other news, Germany appears to be winning the war. Britain is falling behind and looks as though they are on the back foot **Disclaimer, this was written in 1944**
Shakey_Jake33
07/10/08 @ 14:46
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Interestingly, WipEout is actually on the frontpage-artwork-banner-thingy for the article.

Cutting Dan some slack for the obvious omission, Microsoft don't get enough crap for theit hideous points system, and Sony don't get enough credit for being straight with their prices.
MilkYMoO
07/10/08 @ 14:47
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Damn insecure sony fanboys. Do you guys ever stop moaning and bitching?. I'm a multiplatform gamer and happy ps3 owner but you guys never shut up. Stop being so insecure and enjoy your ps3, its a fine system. I hope people like JoeNut dont have sleepless nights, worrying about whether they made the right choice buying a ps3.
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designerheadache
07/10/08 @ 14:48
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i find it staggering that Burnout Paradise, Wipeout and Warhawk were not mentioned in the PS3 downloads.

three of the best titles on any consoles digital download list, and completely ignored in this article.

some points for and against, although on the whole this felt like yet another bash sony article.
Dizzy
07/10/08 @ 14:48
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>Yeah, luckily GOW and Halo arent too high up my most wanted list...

Nor is Castle Crashers, GW2 and Braid apparently (since this is XBLA we are talking about. Did you notice?)
ProfessorLesser
07/10/08 @ 14:56
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Lads, I think you'll find that a Euro has been worth much more than 70p for quite a while now!
MasterNameless
07/10/08 @ 14:57
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@andywilkie35 + kinky_mong

I had that exact same problem! Didn't look for long enough to see Kinky_mong's post, so apologies if you've tried this already. Download the free demo for the game, then it should automatically be the full version. I had almost given up on it, as I decided to buy it straight off without trying the demo first... but it appears the full version requires the demo code to run.

Hope that helps.
warzin
07/10/08 @ 14:59
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In other news, Germany appears to be winning the war. Britain is falling behind and looks as though they are on the back foot **Disclaimer, this was written in 1944**

The war was truly in the allies favour by 1944.
Kryon
07/10/08 @ 15:04
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OMFGZ! HAS ANYONE MENTIONED WIPEOUT HD AND THE 360 BIAS OF EG YET?
Baza72
07/10/08 @ 15:09
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Another shit article from eurogamer full of xbox bias and playstation bashing
hope the retards that wrote this are proud of there work..........fuckwits dont know shit
sneetch
07/10/08 @ 15:09
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@farticusmaximus
"Platform X by a mile. Personal opinion, personal opinion, personal opinion, personal opinion, personal opinion, personal opinion and personal opinion. Nuff said."

Complete crap! Platform Y completely! Let's be honest here; personal preference, personal preference, personal preference, personal preference, personal preference and finally let's not forget personal preference!

Fact!
mcbi4kh2
07/10/08 @ 15:15
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@sneetch and fart
People aren't really arguing about personal preference, leaving off PSN's best game and counting a multi platform title as a plus over the other console is incompetent. Which is the point most people are making.
chris_ace
07/10/08 @ 15:15
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pretty much expected a bulls;it article when for some reason having an update on thursday instead of wednesday was seen as being 'awkward' lol yeah thursday is so much more awkward than wednesday

psn still not got any killer games? didnt this site just give wipeout HD a 9 out of 10? didnt they also give siren 8 of ten? warhawk? quest for booty? tekken DR! dear oh dear, only steam offers games of this nature because like psn there are no size file limits.

eurogamer lol
Vic
07/10/08 @ 15:28
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Uhh...we were talking about all the 360 'exclusives' that appear on PC, but way to go with the cute reply :D.

Though to be fair, it seems the majority of people who own all three machines do prefer the PSN over XBLA and Wiiware.
DanWhitehead
07/10/08 @ 15:28
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The Wipeout omission has already been explained. The feature was written and submitted before Wipeout's release date was set, and I have no control over when articles are uploaded.

As for Bionic Commando, it's quite clearly mentioned in the context of Live Arcade's high quality run in August, not as a title on its own. I'm not saying that Bionic Commando means 360 > PS3, but that it was just one title in a month of consistently excellent games - something the PS3 has yet to manage.

I really kind of despair that people can read an article which has constructive praise and criticism for all three consoles and still see bias. The Wii's online offerings actually come in for much more sustained criticism in the feature than the PS3, yet there's a peculiar lack of Wii owners crying foul...
MightyMouse
07/10/08 @ 15:29
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Calm down people, it's just an article. I would agree that there are some big omissions which rather totally invalidate the arguments in said article, but does it really matter?

On a totally different note, who on earth (who is not a games journalist) has the time to play all the games available on even one of the stores? Pretty much everyone can be happy with any of the networks.
Kryon
07/10/08 @ 15:30
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Baza72 wrote:

Another shit article from eurogamer full of xbox bias and playstation bashing
hope the retards that wrote this are proud of there work..........fuckwits dont know shit


LOL, yeah, so why don't you fuck off and get your gaming news elsewhere? People like you need help, you don't like the article, fair enough, put it down to a difference of opinion if that makes you happy but don't come in here calling people fuckwits, you fuckwit. Why all the rage? Did your mum not pack your favourite flavour of Petit Filous in your power rangers lunch box today?
Vic
07/10/08 @ 15:32
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Yes but Dan, there have been some sizable omissions regarding the PSN, and I dont think the same can be said of the Wii online. Dont try to turn this into some fanboy 'war'

And the thursay update thing is slightly ridiculous.

No offence, but I think its fair to say the article has its good points and it bad points. Not sure how the criticism can just be batted away like that, regardless of the platform being addressed.
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Kryon
07/10/08 @ 15:34
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Dan is right, Sony fanboys are more retarded than Nintendo fanboys, lol :D
sneetch
07/10/08 @ 15:37
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@mcbi4kh2
"@sneetch and fart
People aren't really arguing about personal preference, leaving off PSN's best game and counting a multi platform title as a plus over the other console is incompetent. Which is the point most people are making."

Well, I'm not going to count posts but I would say I doubt most people are making that point, most sensible people maybe. :)

My post (and I believe farts too) was that a lot of these threads basically degenerate into a bunch of people trying to deride and shout down other peoples opinions and preferences while lauding up their own, equally shaky opinions and preferences as facts.

I agree completely with you that releasing this article after the release of the (frankly awesome) WipEout HD and not updating it to mention it is ridiculous and I don't believe that the fact that it was written before WipEout was released excuses that. The article was "stale" when released and there's no real excuse for that, it's not like the masters for this article had to be sent off to the internet a month or two in advance for copying or anything.

Edit: wanted to change tone a little. Perhaps too harsh; I can edit my posts, surely Eurogamer can do the same? Even a little (Update: blah blah blah) put into the article mentioning that this was written before WipEout and explaining that that game is the killer app PSN needed?
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Trafford
07/10/08 @ 15:42
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I'm happy with xbla.have spent quite a bit on it.Good selection.
The odd gem on from the wii store is no comparison.
DanWhitehead
07/10/08 @ 15:44
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Yes but Dan, there have been some sizable omissions regarding the PSN, and I dont think the same can be said of the Wii online. Dont try to turn this into some fanboy 'war'

The only omission I can think of is not mentioning games like Warhawk and GT5 Prologue, which were launched on disc and download. And I can guarantee that if I had included those, 360 owners would be grumbling that they didn't count. I didn't include them because I wanted to keep the focus on the online exclusives and retro downloads.

And the thursay update thing is slightly ridiculous.

Yes and no. It's hardly the centrepiece of the feature, but Wednesday and Friday are well established in retail and the media as preferential days for shopping and/or launching new products. The appeal of Friday is obvious. Wednesday night is a prime spot for debuting new TV shows, and for cinema going, because people want something to look forward to mid-week. Thursday being "awkward" is almost a throwaway comment, but there's really no commercial precedent for people treating themselves to something on a Thursday. If the whole thrust of the article was that PSN sucks because it updates on Thursdays then you'd have a point, but that's clearly not the case.

No offence, but I think its fair to say the article has its good points and it bad points. Not sure why the criticism can just be batted away like that, regardless of the platform being addressed.

Criticise away, but unfounded accusations of bias are not criticism. That's just an insult. I praised the PS3 for its superior store design, its pricing, its superior mid-priced games and for its greater ratio of good content to crap. Likewise, the 360 and Wii are criticised for their rigid points systems, their glut of poor quality games and their clunky stores.

I am also, of course, the same writer that gave Wipeout HD its glowing review.

It just seems that some console owners can only see criticism aimed at their machine and praise aimed at the others.
gohda
07/10/08 @ 15:45
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Typical article, claims to have a straight winner but fails to name anything as top of the pile.

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