X360 vs. PS3 Face-Off: Round 12 Comments by Richard Leadbetter

Bitter much?

I suspect eurogamers methodology is somewhat suspect for the simple reason that they ALWAYS come out with the 360 on top

haha, so you suspect the methodology of a a scientific test because the results don't match up to your own bias. so the test MUST be wrong. brilliant!

Did you know that although the Earth is only 5000 years old, God put fake dinosaur fossils in the ground to test the faith of archeologists?

the trickster!

"Pathetic how Eurogamer is using a multi-console game just to piss on the PS3 yet again. "

I dont think thats the reason for these articles. They seem pretty objective.

Havent you noticed how gamers with both systems keep backing this up.

Its the truth - live with it.

@Miths - What galls me about these HDD installs is that in the majority of cases the loading times are not improved beyond those of the same disc-based Xbox 360 multiformat game, perhaps 1-2 seconds at most. Thus what should give the PS3 the advantage is in fact used solely to disguise the fact that the Blu-ray Disc (BD) drive is actually far slower than the Xbox 360's DVD drive. Sure there are some games like Uncharted which manage seamless loading times with NO HDD installs but it's clear that mandatory HDD installs are on the increase for PS3 games, especially multiformat ones. While it might not be an issue for people like myself with 320 GB HDDs (bought specifically for these mandatory installs I might add), they are going to be an annoyance for people with 40 GB HDDs. Why should they have to upgrade... the PS3 is supposed to be a console not a PC... whatever happened being able to run games only off a disc?

EG should just put up an article on the hour every hour that simply says 'ps3 sux'

Once a game in installed on the PS3, can you run it straight from there? Or do you still need to put the disc in?

@krelle

I certainly no fanboy to old for that childish shite. I just believe that the ps3 will be the ultimate winner. Personally i hope it is not because i have one because i don't want a company as monopilistic as M$ and that cannot make an operating system or game console that actually works to rule another market and ultimatly ruin it.

@juuken now where the fuck did u pop out from? drink ur fucking milk and go to sleep pls.... Learn to take it like a man.

I can't comment on the final version of GRID on the PS3 but I have played the demos on both the 360 and PS3 and the latter had a hell of a lot more screen tearing than the 360 demo. Of course, the full 360 version, which I own, does have some screen tearing too but it's rare and restricted to when there's lots of cars and particle effects onscreen (i.e crashes!) and isn't in the slightest bit annoying.

At the risk of incurring the wrath of PS3 "fan boys" it does seem to me from my experiences with games on both formats (remember I DO own both machines) that the 360 has the better graphics chip, being more advanced than the off-the-shelf GeForce 7900 GTX-based RSX and having the advantage of an additional super-fast 10 MB framebuffer which is what gives the 360 the anti-aliasing advantage over the PS3. That the PS3 is weak in the area of AA is no surprise to me since it was very much also the case with the PS2. I suspect the Cell might be more powerful than the Xbox 360's tripe core processor but so far we've seen little evidence of it.

@silents
I dont care who wins i just want to have the best. And too me thats not the Wii no matter if it wins (it has probably won already).
Its the 360 that has the edge and it will probably stay that way, no matter wich system is selling most. So even if the PS3 wins it will never be the best choice for most people or gamers.

The PS3 wins = the consumers loose.

Paying to much for an inferior merchandice its never a good thing.

Went and bought a Falcon 360 which is a hell of a lot quieter then my previous 360. At this stage I am pretty p'od with the state of the Ps3. The difference in quality on the Grid demo is incredible. I just don't understand what is wrong with anti aliasing on the Ps3. And yes it does make a big difference if you are playing on a bigscreen HDTV. Which is the point after all.

I think these articles are great. We need focus to be put on the ps3 and its current failings in the multi format wars. The reason is unimportant what matters is the fixing of it.

@monkie_king - No, like legal PC games, you still need to insert the disc in order to play games even if they're installed to the HDD. Part of the reason is due to disc protection - otherwise could lend your friends the disc and they could install and play it for free - but another reason is that only some of the data is actually installed, i.e. the frequently read stuff like textures and level data. In the case of the latter it's a bloody good job as I'd hate to have a 32 GB install for MGS4... imagine how long that would take to install? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!! :O

I have both systems, I like these articles, but having a comparison actually done in game reviews as they happen would be even better (where possible).

X360: Achievement Points unlocked: TO KILL THE IDEA OF PS3 SUPERIORITY

Kidding aside, it is now obivous that PS3 is not the destroyer of X360 that Sony had promised and you only need to read HOW the languages have changed from the comments posted in EG and particularly the head to head from the first round to now.

Both consoles have its merits and pretty much equal (in loose terms, to the eyes of the casual observers watching the games), those questionings seriously the methodology used by EG, are the people would would praises it if PS3 was shown to be more powerful.

Been already explained that percentage of tearings doesnt equate to actual time that we can see tearings on screen. Numbers of tearings do happen off screen but yes it is important for us to make clear what the figures actually translate to for us the gamers.

It also differs if you play game with SD, 720p or 1080p. As console works harder with higher resolution and hence why there are few true 1080p native games on both consoles.

I have both and happy with them but I have to say it is pretty much clear to me from my circle of friends/familes/work mates that PS3 is much more popular. Deserving or otherwise. So it is a question of time that PS3 will catch up but X360 still a great console to own and those hating it or the other is being irrational! I will continue to get X360 ahead of PS3 when its come to multi platform titles as often a better one even if only very slightly.

That's why they've split it into 5 seperate installations while you're playing, if I understand correctly.

edit: @Darren

davisorle, I'm not a man, first of all. And second of all, I won't take it like a *man* as you so put it because we all know what happened with GTAIV when Eurogamer knew from the start the PS3 version was better. So what if people who own two systems support this? I'm about to own two systems as well and I'm not bragging about it. Developers are starting to learn about the PS3 more so this will change in due time. But for Eurogamer to come up with this bull?

No thanks.

@monkie_king - Yes, you're absolutely correct about MGS4's split HDD installs. I'm thinking it's to keep the install times bearable but as you correctly say it's also to avoid having a 20+ GB HDD install in the first place, something that would not sit well with 40 GB HDD PS3 owners!!! LOL

@muscleblade

Well considering the playstation 3 hasn't suffered the same level of failures as the 360 with Rrod and the admittance of m$ that there is inherent design faults with 360 id say M$ wins = consumers lose (not loose) I certainly don't pay for inferior !

Ah, EG page hits must be dwindling. Console War articles always do the trick...

bloodflowers - "I have both systems, I like these articles, but having a comparison actually done in game reviews as they happen would be even better (where possible)."

+10

Of course, I'm sure EG would do this if they could but let's face it, in 99.8% of cases, it is the 360 version of any multiformat game that is usually better so I tend to go for that one automatically. I do read IGN and GameSpot's reviews though to find out if there are any differences and that is the reason for me buying Burnout Paradise and Devil May Cry 4 for the PS3 rather than the 360, mainly just for a change. In the case of the latter I do think it's the better version as it has less tearing (well I actually never saw any at all in my two playthroughs) and I preferred the controller having played the previous games on the PS2.

"he unmistakable feel of 60fps in terms of response from the controls, the level of immersion, the feeling that you're taking part in some grand CG-generated movie... that's what LEGO is about, and while the most irritating visual artefact of the game is gone, so too is a key element of the game's magic."

Ehmmmmm, right. I thought they where about little funny men building and smashing stuff.

People who criticise Eurogamer for their comparison are just Sony fanboys crying in their milk because their beloved Playstation 3 is worse than the 360 every conceivable way.

This just proves that Sony fanboys are purely "brand" loyal morons who have never played the 360.

P.S. I own both 360 and PS3 and the 360 is soooooooo much better graphically and when it comes to basic gameplay and useablility.

It is a sad reflection on the general public that the PS3 still manages to sell at all.

@ All (Fanboys Definetly)

Some words of wisdom :- " Each to there own "

@Teamallstar

Simply outstanding.

"Couldn't the time you spend doing these be invested into something more worthwhile? "

...You realise you're on a gaming site, right?

Worse thing about using v-lock in Indy Jones is the tendancy for the console to completely lock up when you load a new chapter. Thwe workaround is turning v-lok on and off but I keep forgetting and either playing with screen tear or tryig to load a new chaptetr and have the console lock up.

They seem to have skimped on other areas of QA with at least one death loop (the bridge) and innapropriate 'character pulling' when switching characters or in mutliplayer. I sometimes find some of the perspectives on jumps challanging to judge becuase there isnt much to reference the angles against. Overall a pretty good game and the EG reveiw was pretty spot on.

Teamallstar, come the hell off it. You own both consoles and yet your fanboyishness shows either way. Funny how a system that's not as *powerful* as the 360 is still outselling their competition.

Give the 360brats more to cheer about, why don't you?

@ juuken

There is a difference between best selling and best console, just look at last gen and Dreamcast/Xbox vs PS2. Both were better than PS2 graphically but it didn't stop brand power herding the sheep.....

bad09, the PS3 is still the best console in my opinion. I'm glad I invested in it first before I got a 360.

Great article, EG. Keep up the good (hard) work and ignore the whiners - they always read every "vs" article anyway.

"It is a sad reflection on the general public that the PS3 still manages to sell at all."

This is so very true. Stupidity is unlikely to be bred out of society any time soon though, so expect the POS3 to keep selling like Britney and Burberry.

Let the puppetmaster that is EG make the fanboi monkeys dance, dance monkey boys! DANCE!!!

Teamallstar - It is a sad reflection on the general public that the PS3 still manages to sell at all."

While I agree with what you otherwise wrote, it's a bit odd that you end with this comment when you admit you also own a PS3!!! I mean the PS3 has sold well because of its brand name and people like you and me who are multiformat gamers who went out and bought one! ;)

The PS3 isn't a bad game machine anyway, it's actually bloody good, but then I can't play gems like MGS 4, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank ToD and MotorStorm on my Xbox 360. No, if anything it's the fact that despite the PS3 arriving a year after the Xbox 360, it's apparent (to me anyway) that the machine isn't quite as powerful as Sony claimed (twice as powerful as the Xbox 360, my arse!!!), certainly not graphically anyway. If the machine really was superior to the Xbox 360 then it would be regularly trouncing it in these tests just as the Xbox arguably did over the PS2 with their multiformat games. Yeah, we've heard the arguments that the PS3 is harder to code for and that developers are struggling in comparison with the 360 but if that's still the case then Sony need to help them as much as possible with the PS3 and do something about future hardware design and software libraries so that the PS4 is much easier to code for. After all, the PS2 was criticised also for being difficult to code for in the early days too so it seems like Sony learnt nothing from that at all.

@link'sdad - I played LEGO Indy on my 360 with V-sync on throughout, never once disabling it, and I finished it with over 20 hours on my save file with NO freezes or crashes at all. I played it for over six hours in one session too. Of course, I may have just been very lucky but I don't see how enabling V-Sync would cause the game to crash... the Xbox 360 is a fickle beast I know but not that fickle! LOL

@ juuken

I agree in a sense, it is without a doubt a brilliant all round machine which obviously has benefits over 360 but in terms of games machine alone, for me personally, I have to say 360 is the better machine. But that's the fun about these discussions, none of us are really ever right because opinion is always different.:)

Of course (I'm surprised Les hasn't popped in to say this!) little baby Wii is still doing better than both of them with the kiddie and casual market......

I´m amazed how this crappy articles reached round 12...

When will people enjoy their games and stop with "oh mine is bigger than yours" mentallity???

Hmmm..... Ive not got involved in one of these PS3 vs 360 threads yet though I have read them and it seems theres an awful lot of mud flinging that goes on.

Ive had pretty much every console (including handhelds) since the Atari 2600 and most of them import machines to boot (Im a fanboy of GAMES not of manufacturers). I had the 360 at launch and have only just got the PS3 with Metal Gear as there was nothing really that I couldnt already have on 360 til now. I think it looks fantastic though of course cannot compare it to anything as it doesnt exist on 360. I would go as far as to say that it looks better than any 360 game Ive played thus far which could go towards the argument that cross platform isnt great for Sonys machine. Sonys machine is also far superior in terms of manufacture and the remote play (via PSP) features and so on.

HOWEVER.......

It really doesnt come close to 360s XBL implementation and though only a small thing achievements are sorely missed. I think on that alone I would buy the 360 versions of X platform games as most stuff has online features and XBL is where its at plus all my mates have 360 so its a no brainer really.

At the end of the day if youre a gamer then I think the only way to feed your thirst for games is to have all consoles and this has been the same since the days of the SNES and MD. People flinging mud should stop wasting their time and get on with enjoying their console for its merits. Which in this case it would seem both have in ample portions (though in different areas). It just depends on what floats your boat. Sometimes DS is my console of choice and then I go over to the PSP - its totally clear which one is more powerful but lets face it who cares when you get great experiences on both.

Ill continue to read these articles as I think they are of interest and very useful. I just wish they didnt ignite such playground mentality through these threads. Though Im pretty sure that wish is one that will be unlikely to come true..........

@silents

Only a fanboy would bring up the rrod because its not an issue anymore. MS has solved it and nobody has been affected too badly about it. You actually get a new console you know. MS loose in this case not the consumers and thats fine by me. In my case i got a new console with HDMI support so i actually got better off getting a better model than my old releaseday version.

[quote]" being more advanced than the off-the-shelf GeForce 7900 GTX-based RSX "[/quote]

Everybody already knows that GPU in PS3 is only slightly upgraded midrange GF7600GT taken from PC at the last moment when it came to light that projected 2xCell PS3 with no GPU would be no match compared to X360 with dedicated GPU.
RSX - 128bit 8ROP 500Mhz 256MB GDDR3. - all of it from 7600GT
ONLY pixel shaders were doubled from 12 to 24. (like in 7800 series)

Thats why custom built GPU in X360 being newer technology (nearly DX10 card) beats it in most cases.

You need to write specialy optimised engines that use RSX in tandem with Cell to show what PS3 is capable.

Why do people care so much about Achievements? Is it a personal thing, i.e you like to make sure you get everything you can out of a game, the full 1,000 GPs, or is it purely about having a nice large GamerScore so everyone can see it? If a game is good then it shouldn't need Achievements IMO. I never enjoyed MGS 4 or Super Mario Galaxy less because they didn't have Achievements. There are some nice points to having Achievements (the aforementioned personal goal thing) but mostly I think they're a wasted opportunity and have become increasingly meaningless over the years. Oh look I got 5 GPs for pressing START in The Simpsons but I only got a lousy 5 GPs for playing Blue Dragon for 50 hours... yeah right, that's fair!!! LOL

@ iago71,

Impartiallity is not accepted on these boards. You have to pick a side and defend it to the death.

Thems the rules

Someone pick up Arbiters dummy for him...

Counter arguments that PS3 is best because X360 is RROD piece of crap is wearing thin but at least it is better than the oversold crap of PS3 being x2 pwnful than X360 or such as was repeatingly used last year and now fast disappearing from the comments.

PS3 owners have slowly woken up to the fact that PS3 is just as powerful as X360 but yes have plus points as I can readily agree, but still cant understand why X360 is so dissed as a disatrous crap?

Sony did almost go without GPU as they had believed their own hype of cell being able to do anything but glad that they did change their mind and have GPU included at a very late stage. Not as good as X360's but close enough really so that PS3 owners are not depressed that X360 have all the best looking games.

X360 are jealous of MSG4 and secretly hoping that will come the way of BioShock coming to other console a year or more later. Business is just business and Sony will want to keep hold of their few remaining jewels compared to their previous gen.

@Arbiter

The more you live with tearing, the less you notice it. As the PS3 with it's poor old 7-series GPU is the master of tearing I'd expect it to be overlooked quite heavily.

Someone needs to archive all of these EG conspiracy theories. Just for posterity. A giant Venn diagram would work nicely, with the PS3 Bias set, the X360 Bias set and the Just Want Page Hits set. There, I've done half the work already.

@iago71

Oh look who it is! Good points, well made. The only people that will read and and see the sense in your post though are already converts to that logical way of thinking. The blinkered fanboys will always be there, and as ignorant as ever. I'd like to think they are all spotty, angry teenagers, but I fear many of them have now grown up - and have kept their one-track, brand loyalty mentality and will never change. It's a shame really, they're missing out on a lot of great games. Whichever side of the fence they are nailed to.

@johnnybrn

lol

@ Arbiter

Swearing. The resort of those who have no logical leg to stand on. It also merely serves to emphasise that you are far too emotional to make any valid comments, as even a cursory glance across your past comments confirms.

first, Darren is the only one (as always) who acts like an adult. kudos (y)

@muscleblade:
id rather put it this way. Only a fanboy would ever say;
"MS has solved it and nobody has been affected too badly about it." about RROD. Wow, im amazed.