X360 products are innovative - Schappert Comments by Tom Bramwell

He added ..(snip).. Lips has wireless microphones, which similar titles currently lack.

That's possibly the most pathetic claim at 'innovation' I've ever heard.

and Lips has wireless microphones, which similar titles currently lack.

Lol, great "innovative feature" there. Despite the fact that Sony's wireless microphones are advertised at the start of Singstar... So what if they haven't been released? They've been made, so.....

edit: i'm slow today :(

Schappert - "in favour of PS3 Trophy system since 2008"

If they were innovative he wouldn't need to defend would he?

MS are still in my naughty book for all these casual rip offs and plastering quiz shows and avatars all over my dashboard.

I'd argue that Lips innovation is singing along to your favourite songs as well as the provided ones - if that feature works that is :)

I'd argue that Lips innovation is singing along to your favourite songs as well as the provided ones - if that feature works that is :)

Of course it won't. It won't have pitch recognition or words or anything. It will just play your music, display a visualiser, and you will sing along, your voice ever so slightly amplified. It's pointless.

I think he needs to look up the meaning of the word "innovation". His examples made no sense at all. So what if WOW is successful and not the first of its kind? No-one was claiming it was innovative.

@Zomoniac

Actually contradicts what the iNiS guys have said in interviews - specifically that they are working on an ambitious solution for finding the lyrics to your music etc.

The Primetime stuff is clearly innovative. There's nothing else like it really.

I'm not into this karaoke thing, but never heard of one that you can plug your mp3 player and the lyrics appear onscreen.

Wonder if that works off and freedb tagging style thing, identifies the track through its tagging, then pulls off lyrics from a lyric database.

@miiiguel

yeah its called ur mum

MS Innovation = taking Apples coverflow, add a bit of XMB sauce, bung a couple of arms on a Mii = " a super rich new customer dashboard experience © "

The Lips thing is blatantly Evolutionary rather than innovative. There are three things that Zomoniac is missing in terms of using your own tracks that could make it work.

1) Vocals in 95% of songs are mixed equally between L & R. You just cancel them off against each other to 'remove' the vocal. It's not perfect but all it needs to do is reduce the vocal so it will work fine. This has been available as PC software for years.

2) Using the same technique you can scan through the song first (should be very quick) and work out the pitch for the vocal. That's you scoring sorted.

2) The lyrics could be added to an online DB as someone else mentioned.

As far as other innovations are concerned I think MS aren't any worse than their competitors.

I think the whole Live thing is pretty innovative in it's marketplace but obviously people will find examples to show it's not.
This is no different from almost any other product out there.

In fact, it would be quite interesting to see if we can list ten things that are truly innovative in gaming. You'll probably find that most things have a precusor that contains more than 50% of what makes the new product innovative. I suspect most things are just evolutions.

Here's mine: Herzog Zwei - First RTS ;)

Who can claim to be totally innovative with an orginial ideas that has never been done elsewhere? I dont see any!

Everyone stands on someone else shoulder, you just take something good and make it over and sell it as your own!

I am sorry but much as I love my Xbox 360 for its games even I'll admit that there's very little on the platform that's genuinely new or innovative; it's made to appeal to the same kind of audience that loved the Xbox and all its core features are just expanded from that console.

It was the Xbox that was ahead of its time and introduced ground-breaking features... it was the first console to introduce custom soundtracks, a standard HDD for games, Xbox LIVE, voice comms, Friends lists, messaging, downloadable content for games and Xbox LIVE Arcade. The Xbox 360 took all of those things and improved on them but didn't really introduce anything unique or different, everything was just slicker. Even its much tooted HD capabilities were nothing new as the Xbox had a few 720p games like the Tony Hawk series, FIFA 07, MX vs. ATV Unleashed, etc., etc.

As for the games, well they're prettier versions of the stuff we played on the Xbox but, again, there's little or no innovation. Not that I'm complaining because real innovation is rare on ANY platform and just as rare in music, TV and movies. Even Nintendo's own Wii still has many games that are the same old stuff we've been playing for years only now with a new fun control scheme but that hardly makes them unique. Bar a few titles, e.g. Wii Fit, which isn't really a game anyway IMO, pretty much everything else is familiar for the most part.

@SpaceMidget75

Haha, Herzog Zwei!

I remember playing that on my Mega Drive. I also remember it being really hard.

@Darren

I agree but I really think mostly they're all as bad as each other. As for Wii Fit:

Yourself Fitness
Eyetoy Kinetic

Just showing how hard it is. ;)

@jamie

That game was awesome in two player. Still play it now on an emulator. Trying to figure it out when it was all in Japanese took me and my mate the best part of a day!

Wasn't that 1 vs 100 thing on the lottery programme?

He should have just let go of the whole "innovate" thing and should have opted for "enhance", or at least trying to do so.
Not that any of these VP guys are known for being subtle.

All of the big three steal ideas and evolve them. The thing that MS seems to do is standardize them across their platform. Voice chat and messaging had been done in previous PC games, but MS made it compulsory to support it in all LIVE multiplayer games. Acheivements/goals had been done in a game here and there, but MS decided to make them compulsory across all games. I don't remember an uproar like this when PS3 added custom soundtracks, trophies and in game XMB by pushing the PS button on the controller.

I look at my Wii, and I look at my XBox360 (and then I blow the dust off my Wii so's to get a better look) and I begin to wonder whether "innovation" is always such a good thing.

Of course they aren't innovative, but it doesn't matter in the slightest if they're good fun! Scene It is fun, Lips will most likely be fun, Halo 3 was fun, and so on. Don't worry about innovation, just make sure sequels are good and rip-offs steal the good bits.