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WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008 Review

Xbox 360 Review by Dan Whitehead

12 November, 2007

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So, is it better than last year? In terms of features, it's honestly hard to say. It depends almost entirely on what your favourite modes are, and which wrestlers you prefer. This is the sort of game where most fans will have made their purchasing decision when they first read the updated features list on a message board, but this is par for the course in Smackdown. You gain some characters, you lose others. Game modes and match types come and go. But all of this simply serves to distract us from the elephant in the room that few seem to confront - the wrestling itself, the core of the gameplay, which is all too often an underdeveloped ball of compromise that puts the onus on the player to forgive slack design.

Painstakingly rendered character models that are full of life when preening for the camera become shambling automatons in the ring. People and objects clip through each other with a frequency that should be outlawed on games developed for this generation of consoles. Collision detection is still a crap shoot, with blows and grapples connecting when the visual evidence clearly suggests otherwise, or missing even though hands have passed right through shoulders. Animations are recycled with tedious frequency - within my first three matches I'd seen the "push the referee at your opponent" animation eight times. Presentation-wise, it can be hilariously inconsistent. I've heard commentators praise a wrestler as championship material before claiming he's yet to prove himself as anything special, literally just a few seconds later. Cutscenes and messages during your 24/7 rise to Legend status make a mockery of narrative cohesion, with deadly rivals becoming best pals for no apparent reason.

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If the wind changes, you’ll be stuck like that...

Want more? The AI is patchy at best, something that the 24/7 GM mode makes horribly clear should you opt to watch one of your matches rather than take part. Set up a 6-Man Tornado Tag match, and watch those CPU wrestlers hobble around each other before settling into a blinkered series of one-on-one scuffles, oblivious to all else around them. I watched wrestlers Irish Whip opponents into the turnbuckle and then just walk off rather than press the advantage. I watched two wrestlers in a Parking Lot Brawl circle each other, holding a bin and a table, swiping at thin air for five minutes. It's laughable, really, and it speaks volumes about where the challenge comes from when you're the one in the ring.

Anyone who's played the series since it switched to the Smackdown vs Raw format should be nodding in recognition at most of these gripes. These are persistent issues, and the fact that they're still so prevalent can no longer be ignored. Please, let's not be distracted by the fact that you can now set weapons on fire. This is a series that needs serious attention to the engine, not just another fresh coat of paint over the rust spots. If the new Tekken came with such basic accuracy problems when landing blows, it'd be savaged. If Fight Night Round 4 features fighters so stupid that they ignore obvious openings for victory, the internet would ring with people denouncing EA for being sloppy and lazy. But in wrestling, none it seems to matter.

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See? I warned you!

Admittedly, grapple fans aren't exactly spoilt for choice these days when it comes to games, so I can understand the temptation to make excuses for persistently clumsy gameplay provided the options surrounding it are plentiful. If that's you, and you've read this far seething with anger at how I've got it all COMPLETELY WRONG and not EVEN MENTIONED the new "weapon wheel" or the NEW HAIRSTYLES in Create-A-Wrestler, then you probably won't let my miserly opinion dissuade you. After all, as we've already established, if you like old Smackdown then you'll like new Smackdown. And therein lays the problem - Yuke's has had a captive audience for so long that the incentive to improve seems to have withered away.

It's still the only half-decent wrestling game in town, and is admittedly more fun when playing against a friend or online, but maybe the question we should be asking is just what Smackdown is doing to actually justify its continued popularity. On this evidence, the answer is "not enough".

6/10

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BBIAJ
12/11/07 @ 14:02
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Do people actually buy these games?
TheDudesRug
12/11/07 @ 14:04
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FYI I think 'cushdy' means 'wrestling' in Urdhu.
Darren
12/11/07 @ 14:04
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Just picked this up today for the 360 for £18 at GAME (I traded in four old-ish games though) but I know what to expect from last year's game and the recent demo, i.e. an enjoyable enough but far from perfect wrestling game. It sounds like Yukes definitely need to do more to enhance the game for the current-gen systems though beyond making amazing graphics. Perhaps if they focused only on the 360/PS versions rather than a dozen different formats they might achieve it?
likmarbles
12/11/07 @ 14:05
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Woo 1st Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhh baby im first to comment on this epic wrestling masterpiece. It's slamdunkin fun- oh no thats basketball its Pin-tasic.
BBIAJ
12/11/07 @ 14:06
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I must need my eyes testing, amazing graphics you say?

Where!?
likmarbles
12/11/07 @ 14:06
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Dammit im 4th then
likmarbles
12/11/07 @ 14:08
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I think he mean amazingly standard. Anyone know when we can expect an AC review?
Pulsar_t
12/11/07 @ 14:12
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And I mean, .

Gotcha =D

And 'amazing graphics'? Hmmm maybe on the original XBox at the time.
DDevil
12/11/07 @ 14:12
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This is the first time I haven't bought a Smackdown game on release since Smackdown 2 on the PS1. They do not address the issues of previous versions, instead putting features in which do little to improve the actual game. And while "giving" with one hand, they take away with the other - less wrestlers, less create options, less match types.

But then, they still are putting the same version of the game out on PS2 and PSP. As long as they're designing for less capable consoles the game will not be truly special. There's nothing next-gen about this game other than the shiny graphics. There's not even a physics engine, I personally think even that would help immensely.

Oh and thanks for plugging The Wrestling Group again :-)
Wayne
12/11/07 @ 14:14
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A friend of mine buys these games. I think it's for easy achievement points.
Pulsar_t
12/11/07 @ 14:15
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Do people actually buy these games?

Judging from the extensive annual IGN coverage (like they're going to discover something totally groundbreaking about it one day), yes they do buy into it.
Darren
12/11/07 @ 14:22
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@BBIAJ - Seems like you DO need your eyes testing. ;)

The wrestler models in the 360 SmackDown games are very good in terms of detail and modelling, and they're shown off to good effect in the intros and cinematic angles. The animation is less impressive though, somewhat wooden at times with some wrestlers looking as if they're skating across the ring, plus there's a fair amount of clipping but they do look excellent for the most part and help capture the atmosphere of the real thing IMO. Great lighting and effects too.

Obviously the gameplay needs overhauling big time but I think there's little to fault on the graphics front bar the clipping and dodgy collision detection. I suspect that Yukes have focused most of their efforts on the graphics myself hence my comment that they're more committed to making the games look more amazing each year rather than concentrating on making them play better by refining or even scrapping and rewriting the engine itself.
asphaltcowboy
12/11/07 @ 14:26
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Still waiting for a Naruto review :(
JayeM
12/11/07 @ 14:37
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Need more Day of Reckoning.
IAmBatman
12/11/07 @ 14:39
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> Great lighting

So it's just coincidence that all 4 of the screenshots in the review look like they're lit with a single ambient light and some rim lighting? It all just looks so flat and grey.
The Bodybuilder
12/11/07 @ 14:42
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>"but maybe the question we should be asking is just what Smackdown is doing to actually justify its continued popularity?"

Much like the WWE then.
Nobuo
12/11/07 @ 14:47
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At least Jeff Hardy is back on the roster. But a 6 is right, and it's good to see EG not going along with the hype (I think IGN and Yukes are sleeping together).

The last one I played was Here Comes The Pain, and I honestly think the collision detection has gotten worse. You couldn't stand face to face with your opponent and consistently miss strikes back then. But anybody who thinks the series has ever looked like the real thing is absolutely wrong, based only on the animation. And while the while the graphics are nice, the PS3 version is little better than an upscaled PS2 version as far as I can tell.
Hypnopedia
12/11/07 @ 14:52
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Is it just me (and I must stress I'm not the least bit homophobic), but where is the attraction in controlling spandex clad, sweaty, muscle bound wrestlers???!

baardhimself
12/11/07 @ 15:07
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is chris benoit in the game, or at least his moveset so you can create him?
Sebo
12/11/07 @ 15:12
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No Benoit isn't in it.

Eurogamer have got the score spot on here. This game is suffering from exactly the same thing which Pro Evo is. The next gen versions are just glossed up last gen games, and that's because these developers are still making money from PS2.
Darren
12/11/07 @ 15:16
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IAmBatman - The lighting and effects look great in the intros is what I was meaning, squint a bit and you'd almost mistake it for being the real thing. Obviously and understandably, ingame the lighting is far less impressive but looks good enough to me. Anyway why are we discussing the graphics; it's the gameplay that needs looking at as visually the game is fine IMO.
asphaltcowboy
12/11/07 @ 15:20
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"(and I must stress I'm not the least bit homophobic)"

Methinks the lady doth protest too much!
simiankid
12/11/07 @ 15:31
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Hoi, Mr Journalist!

You're missing a sentence: "let's take a look at how Smackdown's 2008 iteration plays as an actual videogame. And I mean,. "

And you mean what?
DanWhitehead
12/11/07 @ 15:34
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The line should read "And I mean, how it really plays" but I foolishly attempted to italicise the last bit and clearly muffed it up.
Zaltan
12/11/07 @ 15:39
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WCW VS NWO Revenge will always be the best wrestling game.
tachikoma
12/11/07 @ 15:44
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Still waiting for TNA's Impact.
BBIAJ
12/11/07 @ 15:49
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Tits 'N' Ass Impact?
urban
12/11/07 @ 15:55
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agreed.

its a fair game but it hasn't innovated alongside its other sports pals.
AOFanboi
12/11/07 @ 16:36
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Well, I think Wrestling is happy not to be a "sport" - otherwise it would end up in company like what Eurosport seems full of these days: Bowls, darts, snooker... *snore*

Can't some developer kick the WWE butt and make a true next-gen wrestling game based on the TNA franchise instead?
Vin
12/11/07 @ 16:40
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I said this was shit.

And TNA Impact plays near enough the same as No Mercy. Mark it down.

Darren
12/11/07 @ 16:44
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I'd love to see EA get the WWE license. Imagine what they could do with a tweaked Fight Night 3 engine?
StringBeanJean
12/11/07 @ 16:57
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Anyone remember the UFC game on the Dreamcast? I thought that was great- why can't the wrestling games be as good as that? Spent many a happy hour on that one.
peeetah
12/11/07 @ 17:08
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One day they'll sort out the AI....one day.
Apologie
12/11/07 @ 18:24
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dumb game... stupid show.
foreverafternothing
12/11/07 @ 18:27
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Quality pic captions you donit.
NewYork
12/11/07 @ 19:03
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First sentence should read "I'm bi-curious".
foamy
12/11/07 @ 19:13
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Assassin's Creed review please :(
Drakron
12/11/07 @ 19:55
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Well, I think Wrestling is happy not to be a "sport"...

Just go to a "wrestling" forum and say its not a sport and you will see the kind of replies you will get.

And wrestling is a sport (a olympic sport) , there are several types with the so called "professional wrestling" being staged fights and so not recognized by FILA.
KILLA
12/11/07 @ 20:06
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No mercy on the N64 was great in 3 or 4 player.
I've never liked the smackdown games though.
NewYork
12/11/07 @ 21:28
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"Just go to a "wrestling" forum and say its not a sport and you will see the kind of replies you will get. "

General agreement?
DanWhitehead
12/11/07 @ 22:05
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Wrestling is a sport. What the WWE produces isn't wrestling. It's a stunt show based on the sport of wrestling. That's the crux of the matter.
NewYork
12/11/07 @ 22:31
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o_0


The article is about WWE.
miiiguel
13/11/07 @ 02:38
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Not everybody can be enlightened enough to read Engels, buy a PS3 and "not play Gears".
miiiguel
13/11/07 @ 02:41
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"Do people actually buy these games?"

Just watch next week's chart, and you'll get a clear answer for that.
Have you being under a rock or something ? Since old, old PS2 times, wrestling games sell like crazy.
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Sebo
13/11/07 @ 08:38
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Agree with Dan,

Wrestling is most certainly a sport.
WWE is not a sport. It's entertainment based on sport. It's more performance art than anything else.

Agreed too that EA should get this license now
captainrentboy
13/11/07 @ 09:07
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Now I'm sure the fighting system itself is magical when you get the hang of it, but for newbies like me it's fooking rediculous, I had a quick game against my mate in work the other day, neither of us are particularly good at it, but wonderfully (for him) he knocked me to the ground within 10 seconds and then proceeded to knee drop my face for a solid five minutes whilst my character laid there, twitching occasionally, after the knee drop bonanza he quite simply circled around, pinned me, and the match was over. Now it's not like I sat there and let it happen, I must've hit every button on the 360 pad 50 times, screaming like a madman, but still he laid there, twitching, like a cunt.
I hate wrestling games :(
Darren
13/11/07 @ 10:04
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I was playing this most of last night and it's rather good. OK, not perfect by any means, but playable all the same. The numerous engine issues like clipping, dodgy collision detection and feeble A.I. are made up for by superb graphics and cool TV-style presentation. I doubt wrestling fans will be too disappointed but Yukes need to radically overhaul the engine for the current-gen systems and bring it up to standard. After playing those dire WWE games on the original Xbox, the SmackDown games seem like classics even though they're clearly not!!! LOL
reddevil93
13/11/07 @ 11:03
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If anyone wants a few games on PSN my id is reddevil93.
AOFanboi
13/11/07 @ 21:06
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And wrestling is a sport (a olympic sport)

*sigh* I used capital W for a reason, and in the context of the thread you CANNOT have thought I was referring to classical wrestling. (And they call it World Wrestling Entertainment mostly because they got in trouble with the World Wildlife Fund over the abbreviation for World Wrestling Federation.)

Plus there's Kurt Angle to add confusion. :)
AZA
13/11/07 @ 22:25
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Generic rushed buggy tripe in time for Christmas yet again

Ah well theres always next year for the SD series actually be GOOD again (Like SD 1)
but thats doubtful

Now where did I put No mercy and my N64?

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