Worldwide 360 sales hit 17.7m News

Woah, good day to be an xbox owner

8.1 million Halo 3s? That is 50% attach. No game has ever done that.

It prints money?

It sure does, make developing for the 360 a very attractive prospect in terms of potential revenue generated with attach rates like that. Of course H3 is a very large exception to the rule, but it does prove that 360 owners buy a lot of games.

Good to see the flawed but great Mass Effect selling well, really enjoying it myself.

As pointed by VGChartz ( http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id... ), it's 8.1 million sold to retail. The same goes for the 17.7 million Xbox 360s.

8.1 million? 8.1 MILLION?! even at an average of $50 (some people bought the legendary edition at more than that) that is A LOT OF CASH. damn it!

Woah, that attach rate is amazing. Seriously doubt the FFXIIIs or MGS4s of the PS3 will get anything like that.

I assume that figure is actually shipped not sold as usual, or is it back ahead of the Wii ? Which would of been more interesting news.

>I assume that figure is actually shipped

Yes shipped....

Usually sold is between 90%-95% of shipped.

I believe this is a shipped figure not sold!

>Anyone want to bet that this figure is going to be hotly disputed shortly?

Nope.. all sales sites seem to be very close to that number.

BTW the November 360 vs PS3 rate was 1.65

Not that hard to believe that all new console owners over the xmas period, either recieved halo 3 as part of a packin, or it was the first game they brought the console - considering halo3 is 360s biggest release so far.

While the software is selling great, the hardware sold less than last year this generation is wierd. 1 in every 2 360 owners bought Halo... I guess it's FPS' galore this gen. :(

Regardless of sales figures it is an excellent time to be a 360 owner. If only I had more time to wade through all the games :(

"While the software is selling great, the hardware sold less than last year this generation is wierd. 1 in every 2 360 owners bought Halo... I guess it's FPS' galore this gen. :("

360 and PS3 are still not at mass market prices. PS2 is on the wane.

I love how so many people start to dispute the figures. They seem to imagine your average video game store with a massive stockroom of x360's in the back, building more and more warehouses for each store just to hold them.
Simple matter is each store will always have 4 or 5 in the back ready for anyone, which is a good thing as ordering direct would be a nightmare!
These 4 or 5 will be sold within a month or so so if you want your "sold to customers" figure just think of it as a month behind.
And yes i appreciate some stores may not hold this many and some may hold more, some won't sell this many in a month but some will have to re-order within the month.
It all averages out. I wouldn't say the worldwide market has hit saturation point yet. Not even close.

Probably at least half those sales were replacements for all the scratched versions ;-)

I bet all those "Leading on PS3" companies are now shitting themselves ;)

Ok so I have both consoles. The fact is that I usually buy on the 360 because of achievements and live being so much better then PSN at the moment. I don't do the whole hold down button to chat crap and for some reason PS3 games seem to be blurry and STILL suffer from frame rate issues a year on!

Hopefully Burnout Paradise is the exception, though I suspect that will be more down to it installing the entire city on HDD than anything else.

360 and PS3 are still not at mass market prices. PS2 is on the wane.

But the Xbox 360 is cheaper than last year....right?

With all the new SKU's introduced, I'm not so sure anymore. :|

Great to hear that mass effect sold 1.6mil in just 6 weeks (easily surpass the 2mil mark). But H3 selling 8.1mil in over 3 months? O_O
That just means the anti-halo brigade are just gonna get more.

Impressive stuff. That's a big jump from the last figures.

"Sales of the Xbox 360 are outpacing the original Xbox, with 17.7 million units sold in just over two years on the market, compared to the original Xbox which sold over 24 million units between November 2001 and May 2006."

So much for those who argue that the 360 won't outsell the Xbox...

"Finally, we all know cross platform games shine a bit more on the 360, but the gap is closing and eventually will reverse as A) The PS3 becomes more viable as market increases and B) Game libraries improve as programmers get used to the Cell."


WRONG!

360 games do not 'shine' a bit more on 360, the 360 versions, on average, run correctly whilst the PS3 versions suffer from poor frame rates and/or less detail. It's not a question of shine, it's a question of acceptable quality.

A) The PS3 market may be increasing but the sales gap is not decreasing. That is what will drive multiplatform development effort.

B) More 'Untapped powah of da CELL' drivel? Come on now, that argument is old and lame. 360 and PS3 development will improve over time and the situation will not change. Sales will drive games development effort, not some mystical nonexistant 'powah'.

Penhalions statement, although poorly phrased, is accurate.

Pretty impressive numbers.

I often wonder if x number of units sold is a good indication of how "successful" a big games release is.

Take Halo 3, possibly the most hyped and marketed game this year. Despite not enjoying Halo 2 I bought it, played it about half way through for a week then traded it in. What if say 10 - 20% of people who bought the game did that? Perhaps it isn't as successful as it originally appeared. I guess it doesn't really matter though, as they still got that initial sale and money in the bank. Making this post kind of pointless

Disclaimer: Im not saying Halo 3 is a shit game or bashing it in any way.

headbog seems to grasp and miss my point at the same time. Amazing.

.... ok.

"However, like most scared XBOTS, I doubt you will beleive this."

Sometimes I swear forums are full of nothing but pre-teens.

Who in the right mind would be "scared" of one console out selling another? And, I hate the word Xbot. Right up their with graystation and gaycube...

Just to add to that debate though I think the PS3 will sell well, certainly in higher numbers that the Xbox and GV did last gen. However I believe it will remain in third place as far as hardware sales go. However as long as sales are healthy does it matter. Didn't bother me as an Xbox owner (eventually got all 3 towards end of generation) last gen and I certainly didn't have a lack of games to play.


"Tesco seems to both grasp and miss my point at the same time.
Amazing."

That confirms my initial point.

The fact is that the 360 is killing the PS3 at the minute. There is no way the PS3 should still be losing in sales each and every month. Especially when you consider the fact that the Japanese refuse to buy it. All MS has to do is keep the momentum up, continue to support developers, keep dropping prices and keep the massively selling exclusives coming. MS didn't even imagine they could win this round of the console war, they just wanted to make sure SOny didnt win by as much. Now it looking like they can actually go on and take the crown.

Fooatari are you saying that it sold 8.1m in the stores along with say 15% more selling second hand? That would be even more amazing.

No the japanese refuse to buy the 360 meaning the PS3 has a definite advantage. This to me is a form of racism on the part of the Japanese cause it doesnt matter what MS do it will never sell there. If you refuse to buy something no matter what because it is made in the west and only because of that, then that to me is racism.

@Paddy29
"The fact is that the 360 is killing the PS3 at the minute. There is no way the PS3 should still be losing in sales each and every month."

Only in the US. Worldwide the PS3 has slipped ahead in terms of sales on a week by week basis. Hardware sales for week ending 29th Dec according to the slightly dubious vgchartz :-

360 = 337k
PS3 = 448k

Comparison charts show PS3 ahead worldwide throughout December. Yes it needs to do better because there is a lot to catch up, but the 360 is not "killing" the PS3 worldwide. As to whether it should still be losing out? Absolutely it should, it has a worse catalogue of games and multi-platform stuff tends to run worse.

@Paddy29
"If you refuse to buy something no matter what because it is made in the west and only because of that, then that to me is racism."

I refuse to buy New Zealand lamb, I only buy British lamb. Does that make me a racist?

There are enviromental concerns associated with buying locally produced meat and vegetables. So no it does not make you a racist.

Also I didnt say they where racist. I said its a form of racism.

"2008 will see a much, much better position for Sony, - starting on a relative high, and heading straight for MGS4, Little Big Planet, and Killzone 2"

Why would those help. Of those 3 Killzone is the sequel to a pretty poor PS2 game and Little Big Planet is seemingly Q3 at best. That leaves on MGS4 which is not a system seller really.

Well done MS, if it was position reversed I m certain that Sony loyalists would say 'well done Sony!'. I dont give a fig as to the 'factual data' its does indicate at least that its selling well to date.

I certainly think X360 is a better gaming console at this time, but PS3 have an important advantage as noted by others.

HDD caching.

Mass Effect would be a far better game had HDD caching been used, would eliminated texturing popping and would have made X360 a far better machine but crippled by the lowest denominator (Core/Arcade X360s). The fact is so far on multi platform nearly no PS3 'port' had trampled on X360. Minor advantages usually only won at the minor expenses. Such as Dirt for smoother frame rates but less geometry. Oblivion overall improvement but with more jaggies. Overuse of blurring/vaseline to overcome no AA in number of ports etc.

However PS3 exclusives will certainly fully utilise HDD caching which is a trick that X360 will be at disadvantage but not to an extent that its will not be able to emulate (how to test this? MSG port to X360?).

X360 still reign supreme in graphic stake.

headbogs word count is definatley up this session. I think he is breaking.
go on. admit it. just a bit. :-)

@Paddy29
phew!

/cancels application to join BNP.

My point is that there are a lot of other factors involved in why the 360 doesn't fair so well in Japan. You are over simplifying it.

Headbog:

"Bullshit - in nearly all cases, the games released on both platforms lok 90% the same, the odd frame dropout here and there, or slightly lower rez texture does not make it 'less' acceptable to someone playing the game."

So you would prefer to pay more for a system of 'your brand' to play inferior games and you find it acceptable? You are the stereotypical, braindead, fanboy.


"Utter bullcrap. Have a look at Drakes Fortune - a 1st gen PS3 game (for Naughty Dog), or Heavenly Sword, - and compare that to the Ps3s first few releases.

Many people believe these two games to be the best examples of next-gen graphics to date - though no doubt you will disagree."

Uncharted is NOT a 1st gen PS3 game. Resistance was, and it sucked. Uncharted and heavenly sword look pretty in stills but that's about as good as it gets. Uncharted does nothing that can't be achieved on the 360, and it's a dull game to boot.

In my opinion COD4 or burnour paradise are better examples of next-gen graphics (on both systems) as they not only have superb detail and textures, but run at 60fps and dont suffer from the terrible tearing that Uncharted does.


"However, like most scared XBOTS, I doubt you will beleive this."

Scared? No sir, not scared. I'm having the best gaming time of my life. Never before has there been so many quality titles to choose from, and the future looks rosy.

Xbot? I AM an xbox owner, and loving every game-filled minute of it. Are you so pleased to be an SDF drone? Are you enjoying your blu-ray, shite ports and dearth of quality first party games? Are you happy with the dust your very very expensive 'media hub' has collected?

Frankly I've spent a fair amount of time playing, and trying to like, the PS3. I like Motorstorm and Pixeljunk racers and that's it, every other exclusive title has been a massive dissapointment. In my mind that makes the PS3 one huge waste of time, so why the hell would I be scared?


This article is about facts, and the facts are that 360's and 360 games are hugely outselling PS3. Thus, any developer with an ounce of sense would capitalise on the 360 market.

However, like most Sony Drones, I doubt you will accept the facts, or will try to spin them to your liking.

@GamesConnoisseur
"MSG port to X360?"

Mono-Sodium Glutamate? :D

Maybe MGS4? Very recent comment from Konami on the possibility says no. "For the record, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a PlayStation 3 exclusive and there are no plans to develop an Xbox 360 version of the game.". Wouldn't put it past them to do MGS4:GotP:Substance or something in 6 months though.

Is Headbog really Apologie?

Kryon, that's a bit harsh... if he was Apolol he would have repeated his original post at least 4 times by now.

Delusion levels seem about right though... *ponders*

Nah, Headbog constructs counter arguments and attempts to debate.

Counter arguements? I've seen less flannel in a Dunelm store.
Breaking news from headbog: Hype sells games.

I was basing that on other discussions I've had with them.

oh ok.
:-)

headbog, you really feel passionately about this don't you?!
The story is: xbox sales are 17.7 million.
Thats just lovely. For me it means that it is a valued market for developers and I shall get to play some scrummy games. Some will be poor, some will be good, some will look good but be poor, some will look poor but be good.
I enjoy a game for its gameplay and then secondly for the graphics as they help you to emmerse into that world.
There is always a level where such details become insignificant though as impressive as it is.
To be honest I couldn't tell you whether my charecter in Gears of War had clothes that dried out in the places he got wet as I was busy playing the game.

anyway, enough comment thread for me.
going to play tf2, if only my scouts t-shirt creased realistically.....

Headbog,
Killzone 2: Hype. It's being billed by Sony as the Ps3's answer to Halo 3. Already previewers are walking away waxing lyrical over how wonderful it looks and how the soliders react so convincingly ect. Even if the game turns out to be a average shooter, the hype leading up to it will boost sales.

MGS4: Since MGS2 sold 7 million copies and practically sold the PS2.


LBP: Q3 is still 2008, no?




Hype or not do you really think many people are going to pay £300 to play Killzone 2? I don't see it. Not at all.

MGS2 sold those numbers when there was zero competition for Sony.

LBP only coming out in Q3 2008 (at best) means that it ain't gonna be responsible for shifting that many PS3's in 2008 since it only has 3 months to take effect, if that. And in any case is hardly a system seller.

headbog, you sound like Apologie this mornig. Chill, PS3 is cool too, not joking, it is.

"not joking, it is."

LOL, Good one Miiiguel mate! You never fail to come up with the best comedy posts! :0)