Worldwide 360 sales hit 17.7m

By Games Industry.biz Published 4 January, 2008

Halo 3 sells 8.1m.

Microsoft has announced that over 17.7 million Xbox 360 units have been sold worldwide since launch, GamesIndustry.biz reports.

And updated sales figures for last year's Halo 3 reveal the game has shifted more than 8.1 million copies since launch on 25th September.

The BioWare developed RPG Mass Effect has also seen impressive sales, with a total of 1.6 million units sold in just six weeks of release.

"Microsoft is proud of the contributions Xbox 360 is making to the gaming industry, and looks forward to an even more successful 2008," said the company in a statement.

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  • Dizzy #1 4 years ago

    8.1 million Halo 3s? That is 50% attach. No game has ever done that.

    It prints money?

  • mattigan #2 4 years ago

    It sure does, make developing for the 360 a very attractive prospect in terms of potential revenue generated with attach rates like that. Of course H3 is a very large exception to the rule, but it does prove that 360 owners buy a lot of games.

  • mikew1985 #3 4 years ago

    Good to see the flawed but great Mass Effect selling well, really enjoying it myself.

  • apace79 #4 4 years ago

    As pointed by VGChartz ( http://ww w.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id... ), it's 8.1 million sold to retail. The same goes for the 17.7 million Xbox 360s.

  • zoidberg #5 4 years ago

    8.1 million? 8.1 MILLION?! even at an average of $50 (some people bought the legendary edition at more than that) that is A LOT OF CASH. damn it!

  • Psiloc #6 4 years ago

    Woah, that attach rate is amazing. Seriously doubt the FFXIIIs or MGS4s of the PS3 will get anything like that.

  • GamesProgrammer Verified Games Team Programmer, Eutechnyx Ltd. #7 4 years ago

    I assume that figure is actually shipped not sold as usual, or is it back ahead of the Wii ? Which would of been more interesting news.

  • Dizzy #8 4 years ago

    >I assume that figure is actually shipped

    Yes shipped....

    Usually sold is between 90%-95% of shipped.
    Edited by 1 at 04/01/08 @ 09:27

  • bluem4gic #9 4 years ago

    I believe this is a shipped figure not sold!

  • Dizzy #10 4 years ago

    >Anyone want to bet that this figure is going to be hotly disputed shortly?

    Nope.. all sales sites seem to be very close to that number.

    BTW the November 360 vs PS3 rate was 1.65
    Edited by 1 at 04/01/08 @ 09:40

  • Wash #11 4 years ago

    Not that hard to believe that all new console owners over the xmas period, either recieved halo 3 as part of a packin, or it was the first game they brought the console - considering halo3 is 360s biggest release so far.

  • Steroyd #12 4 years ago

    While the software is selling great, the hardware sold less than last year this generation is wierd. 1 in every 2 360 owners bought Halo... I guess it's FPS' galore this gen. :(

  • lambtron #13 4 years ago

    Regardless of sales figures it is an excellent time to be a 360 owner. If only I had more time to wade through all the games :(

  • lambtron #14 4 years ago

    "While the software is selling great, the hardware sold less than last year this generation is wierd. 1 in every 2 360 owners bought Halo... I guess it's FPS' galore this gen. :("

    360 and PS3 are still not at mass market prices. PS2 is on the wane.

  • tesco #15 4 years ago

    I love how so many people start to dispute the figures. They seem to imagine your average video game store with a massive stockroom of x360's in the back, building more and more warehouses for each store just to hold them.
    Simple matter is each store will always have 4 or 5 in the back ready for anyone, which is a good thing as ordering direct would be a nightmare!
    These 4 or 5 will be sold within a month or so so if you want your "sold to customers" figure just think of it as a month behind.
    And yes i appreciate some stores may not hold this many and some may hold more, some won't sell this many in a month but some will have to re-order within the month.
    It all averages out. I wouldn't say the worldwide market has hit saturation point yet. Not even close.

  • HonestJoe #16 4 years ago

    Probably at least half those sales were replacements for all the scratched versions ;-)

  • penhalion #17 4 years ago

    I bet all those "Leading on PS3" companies are now shitting themselves ;)

    Ok so I have both consoles. The fact is that I usually buy on the 360 because of achievements and live being so much better then PSN at the moment. I don't do the whole hold down button to chat crap and for some reason PS3 games seem to be blurry and STILL suffer from frame rate issues a year on!

    Hopefully Burnout Paradise is the exception, though I suspect that will be more down to it installing the entire city on HDD than anything else.

  • Steroyd #18 4 years ago

    360 and PS3 are still not at mass market prices. PS2 is on the wane.

    But the Xbox 360 is cheaper than last year....right?

    With all the new SKU's introduced, I'm not so sure anymore. :|

  • The-Bodybuilder #19 4 years ago

    Great to hear that mass effect sold 1.6mil in just 6 weeks (easily surpass the 2mil mark). But H3 selling 8.1mil in over 3 months? O_O
    That just means the anti-halo brigade are just gonna get more.

  • symbiote #20 4 years ago

    Impressive stuff. That's a big jump from the last figures.

  • lambtron #21 4 years ago

    "Sales of the Xbox 360 are outpacing the original Xbox, with 17.7 million units sold in just over two years on the market, compared to the original Xbox which sold over 24 million units between November 2001 and May 2006."

    So much for those who argue that the 360 won't outsell the Xbox...

  • FooAtari #22 4 years ago

    Pretty impressive numbers.

    I often wonder if x number of units sold is a good indication of how "successful" a big games release is.

    Take Halo 3, possibly the most hyped and marketed game this year. Despite not enjoying Halo 2 I bought it, played it about half way through for a week then traded it in. What if say 10 - 20% of people who bought the game did that? Perhaps it isn't as successful as it originally appeared. I guess it doesn't really matter though, as they still got that initial sale and money in the bank. Making this post kind of pointless

    Disclaimer: Im not saying Halo 3 is a shit game or bashing it in any way.

  • tesco #23 4 years ago

    headbog seems to grasp and miss my point at the same time. Amazing.

  • tesco #24 4 years ago

    .... ok.

  • FooAtari #25 4 years ago

    "However, like most scared XBOTS, I doubt you will beleive this."

    Sometimes I swear forums are full of nothing but pre-teens.

    Who in the right mind would be "scared" of one console out selling another? And, I hate the word Xbot. Right up their with graystation and gaycube...

    Just to add to that debate though I think the PS3 will sell well, certainly in higher numbers that the Xbox and GV did last gen. However I believe it will remain in third place as far as hardware sales go. However as long as sales are healthy does it matter. Didn't bother me as an Xbox owner (eventually got all 3 towards end of generation) last gen and I certainly didn't have a lack of games to play.


    "Tesco seems to both grasp and miss my point at the same time.
    Amazing."

    That confirms my initial point.
    Edited by 1 at 04/01/08 @ 11:08

  • DrDamn #26 4 years ago

    @Paddy29
    "The fact is that the 360 is killing the PS3 at the minute. There is no way the PS3 should still be losing in sales each and every month."

    Only in the US. Worldwide the PS3 has slipped ahead in terms of sales on a week by week basis. Hardware sales for week ending 29th Dec according to the slightly dubious vgchartz :-

    360 = 337k
    PS3 = 448k

    Comparison charts show PS3 ahead worldwide throughout December. Yes it needs to do better because there is a lot to catch up, but the 360 is not "killing" the PS3 worldwide. As to whether it should still be losing out? Absolutely it should, it has a worse catalogue of games and multi-platform stuff tends to run worse.


  • DrDamn #27 4 years ago

    @Paddy29
    "If you refuse to buy something no matter what because it is made in the west and only because of that, then that to me is racism."

    I refuse to buy New Zealand lamb, I only buy British lamb. Does that make me a racist?

  • Eurytus #28 4 years ago

    "2008 will see a much, much better position for Sony, - starting on a relative high, and heading straight for MGS4, Little Big Planet, and Killzone 2"

    Why would those help. Of those 3 Killzone is the sequel to a pretty poor PS2 game and Little Big Planet is seemingly Q3 at best. That leaves on MGS4 which is not a system seller really.

  • GamesConnoisseur #29 4 years ago

    Well done MS, if it was position reversed I m certain that Sony loyalists would say 'well done Sony!'. I dont give a fig as to the 'factual data' its does indicate at least that its selling well to date.

    I certainly think X360 is a better gaming console at this time, but PS3 have an important advantage as noted by others.

    HDD caching.

    Mass Effect would be a far better game had HDD caching been used, would eliminated texturing popping and would have made X360 a far better machine but crippled by the lowest denominator (Core/Arcade X360s). The fact is so far on multi platform nearly no PS3 'port' had trampled on X360. Minor advantages usually only won at the minor expenses. Such as Dirt for smoother frame rates but less geometry. Oblivion overall improvement but with more jaggies. Overuse of blurring/vaseline to overcome no AA in number of ports etc.

    However PS3 exclusives will certainly fully utilise HDD caching which is a trick that X360 will be at disadvantage but not to an extent that its will not be able to emulate (how to test this? MSG port to X360?).

    X360 still reign supreme in graphic stake.

  • tesco #30 4 years ago

    headbogs word count is definatley up this session. I think he is breaking.
    go on. admit it. just a bit. :-)

  • DrDamn #31 4 years ago

    @Paddy29
    phew!

    /cancels application to join BNP.

    My point is that there are a lot of other factors involved in why the 360 doesn't fair so well in Japan. You are over simplifying it.

  • DrDamn #32 4 years ago

    @GamesConnoisseur
    "MSG port to X360?"

    Mono-Sodium Glutamate? :D

    Maybe MGS4? Very recent comment from Konami on the possibility says no. "For the record, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a PlayStation 3 exclusive and there are no plans to develop an Xbox 360 version of the game.". Wouldn't put it past them to do MGS4:GotP:Substance or something in 6 months though.

  • Kryon #33 4 years ago

    Is Headbog really Apologie?

  • DrDamn #34 4 years ago

    Nah, Headbog constructs counter arguments and attempts to debate.

  • tesco #35 4 years ago

    Counter arguements? I've seen less flannel in a Dunelm store.
    Breaking news from headbog: Hype sells games.

  • DrDamn #36 4 years ago

    I was basing that on other discussions I've had with them.

  • tesco #37 4 years ago

    oh ok.
    :-)

  • tesco #38 4 years ago

    headbog, you really feel passionately about this don't you?!
    The story is: xbox sales are 17.7 million.
    Thats just lovely. For me it means that it is a valued market for developers and I shall get to play some scrummy games. Some will be poor, some will be good, some will look good but be poor, some will look poor but be good.
    I enjoy a game for its gameplay and then secondly for the graphics as they help you to emmerse into that world.
    There is always a level where such details become insignificant though as impressive as it is.
    To be honest I couldn't tell you whether my charecter in Gears of War had clothes that dried out in the places he got wet as I was busy playing the game.

  • tesco #39 4 years ago

    anyway, enough comment thread for me.
    going to play tf2, if only my scouts t-shirt creased realistically.....

  • Eurytus #40 4 years ago

    Headbog,
    Killzone 2: Hype. It's being billed by Sony as the Ps3's answer to Halo 3. Already previewers are walking away waxing lyrical over how wonderful it looks and how the soliders react so convincingly ect. Even if the game turns out to be a average shooter, the hype leading up to it will boost sales.

    MGS4: Since MGS2 sold 7 million copies and practically sold the PS2.


    LBP: Q3 is still 2008, no?




    Hype or not do you really think many people are going to pay £300 to play Killzone 2? I don't see it. Not at all.

    MGS2 sold those numbers when there was zero competition for Sony.

    LBP only coming out in Q3 2008 (at best) means that it ain't gonna be responsible for shifting that many PS3's in 2008 since it only has 3 months to take effect, if that. And in any case is hardly a system seller.

  • miiiguel #41 4 years ago

    headbog, you sound like Apologie this mornig. Chill, PS3 is cool too, not joking, it is.

  • Kryon #42 4 years ago

    "not joking, it is."

    LOL, Good one Miiiguel mate! You never fail to come up with the best comedy posts! :0)

  • Eurytus #43 4 years ago

    Headbog,

    "Why not? Because you didnt like Killzone 1?
    Did you predict Gears of War would flop on the same basis? What notion did you have that it would be good before it came out?"

    Gears of War did not boost the sales by as much as Killzone 2 would need to and Gears of War did not have the negative baggage that Killzone 2 does.
    i.e. Gears of War did not have a history of promising the earth and totally failing to deliver.


    "???? This makes very little sense."

    Actually it makes perfect sense. You claim that MGS2 was a system seller when the reality is that the PS2 was the ONLY viable system around at the time.


    "When do you think Halo 3 came out on the 360?

    Start of Q3 - magically it shifted around 1 million 360s in a little over a month.

    Also Q3 is, guess what, the crhistmas period!"

    You are comparing a property that has a history of great reviews and mega sales with a property that has......er.....nothing. Apart from a couple of positive previews.

    I'll make you a bet that LBP won't sell anywhere near what Halo3 did.

  • Kryon #44 4 years ago

    "How dare Headbog defend the Ps3 agaist a hord of misinformed biased XBOTS!"

    I notice you keep using the word "defend"...If you're so confident in Sony's performance, surely they don't need your defense? Why not let the absolute greatness of the system/company speak for themselves.

  • Kryon #45 4 years ago

    ^^ Hahah, hit a nerve.

  • Eurytus #46 4 years ago

    Headbog,

    When you stop posting straight forward lies.

    "You are trying claim that it wont sell a single console.. "

    Then you can begin to lecture people about distortion.

    As it stands you have a cheek to label anyone a fanboy when it is you who rode in here going on about "Xbots" (and thereby displaying your mental age to all and sundry).

  • Kryon #47 4 years ago

    headbog - Fanboy Rating = 2/10

    I prefer Apolol, at least he's funny..

  • BadBoyBonner #48 4 years ago

    So what if it has colourclash the resolution and faster screen update make my machine much better than.....


    Opps wrong decade..

    The 4 channel 8 bit sound is clearly better than anything the Yamaha AY sound chip can produce and the blitter lets you .....

    Third time lucky

    The higher texture resolution becomes very apparent at 42" or above at native res on my tv and the lack of anti-aliasing can make games seem like they are a generation apart....

    Hang on - thats bugger all to do with the news article - fourth time lucky.

    The Halo 3 sales are nothing short of astonishing - anyone waxing lyrical about MGS sales - needs to do it in terms of percentage of software against hardware.

    Seems only Nintendo stalwarts can give these type of attachment figures a run for their money as a series and maybe the early Gran Turismo.

    As for sales figures - anything below 1.0 obviously means the PS3 while not closing the gap in overall sales - is getting loser as a percentage.

    For those unable to grasp this highly complex mathematical proposition - here is a simpler version.

    When someone is 1 and their friend is born there is one year between them - at 2 and 1 years the age difference is 50%. At 101 and 100 the difference is around 1% - even though they are still a year apart.

    Edited by 2 at 04/01/08 @ 13:45

  • Eurytus #49 4 years ago

    Headbog,

    "Claiming MGS4, LBP and KZ2 will shift no extra consoles is just out and out ludicrous, and your reasoning stinks of the hopes and wishes of a fanboy, rather than any proper analysis."

    More lies I see. Not doing very well here are you.

    Are you going to start addressing the points I made rather than the ones you have written for me or am I wasting my time?

    Why not call us Xbots again. That should ensure that no-one perceives you to be a fanboy.

    Let me know when I use a derogatory term for PS3 owners won't you.

  • Kryon #50 4 years ago

    "Let me know when I use a derogatory term for PS3 owners won't you"

    I think calling someone a "PS3 owner" is actually a bit below the belt man. ;)

    @Headbog

    There's no need for me to engage in serious conversation with you. You are being pwned quite satisfactorily without my intervention.

  • Eurytus #51 4 years ago

    Headbog,

    "You are confusing lies with accusations and observations."

    Call me a traditionalist but to observe something it has to have taken place.

  • Eurytus #52 4 years ago

    Headbog,

    Its not me that's losing my cool buddy boy.

    I suggest you go walk it off

  • Kryon #53 4 years ago

    "Mummy halp meh! BewHew, I'm being ganged up on by petulant XBOTs, BewHew"

    /LULZ

  • BadBoyBonner #54 4 years ago

    Can never hear or read the words "Buddy Boy" without thinking of Clarence Boddicker even though technically the quote is from Dick Jones.
    Edited by 1 at 04/01/08 @ 14:05

  • Kryon #55 4 years ago

    /Pats self on back.

  • DrDamn #56 4 years ago

    @headbog
    Regarding FarticusMaximus ...
    "Clearly you've never set eyes on either game in action on a actual PS3 beefore in your life.

    Either that or your telly was fucked."

    I can fully vouch for the fact that Farticus has seen and played all the things he has commented on and so is entitled to an opinion on them. All on a nice big 40" Samsung HD TV. He is absolutely right, too in that while Uncharted is very pretty it does not hold a consistent frame rate. I've seen a bit more of the game than him and disagree on the dullness - it improves after the first couple of "levels" - but the frame rate does chug a little.
    Edited by 1 at 04/01/08 @ 14:13

  • Eurytus #57 4 years ago

    "Well the XBOTS seem to have descended into silliness and cant seem to address my counters for their tenuous arguments. I'll let them carry on being deluded and pat each other on the back for driving another Sony shill out. "


    My mighty heart is breaking........

  • monkie_king #58 4 years ago

    Thing is though, as a gamer, 360 is clearly the console to own at the moment based on its library. That's really beyond any debate, PS3 just doesn't compete on titles. PS3 may well become the console to own in the future, when/if it has plenty of good exclusives. Q3 2008? Q2 2009? Entirely possible. But not yet.

    By my reckoning, most EG members are smart enough to see through this partisan stuff and go wherever the games are. I mean, why wouldn't you? The same people arguing here that the 360 is currently superior will be entirely happy to go and get a PS3 once the time is right. I know I will. It's not a binary choice. It's not even a commitment. You're not married to your games console.

    I think the problem for PS3 owners is that they've bought their machines based on future expectations, which won't be fulfilled for a good while yet, and they find it hard to purchase the supposedly inferior 360 to catch up on the games they're missing. That would be tantamount to admitting having made a mistake, and people aren't good at that.

    In short, screw brand loyalty, go where the games that you want are, it's okay to change your mind later.

  • tigernuts #59 4 years ago

    It's a strange world when a discussion reminds you (again) of the fish slapping dance on monty python whereby two grown men take turns slapping each other with fish and one ends up falling into the water thus losing. Of course the winner is left with very fishy smelling hands.

  • mattigan #60 4 years ago

    Yawn.......


    ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz......

  • monkie_king #61 4 years ago

    headbog, I wasn't referring to you personally there. Yes, owning all three is the way to go, although you can argue that it's worth waiting for a PS3 price drop and a few more titles. Money no object, then go for it.

    I am genuinely surprised that you spend more time playing PS3, but if the games cater to your taste, good for you. Persoanlly, I'd like to give Uncharted a go. And if I had a PS3 I'd get Motorstorm for it, I think, and Warhawk. Not a lot else personally, though definitely some tempting stuff on the way- GT5 and Killzone2, though that's obviously only based on their appearances.

    I think a lot of the strong argument from the 360 owners isn't due to partisanship so much as some PS3 owners' arguments defying reason. That tends to wind people up. The main one tends to be "PS3 is better because its potential is untapped and look at all the supposedly great games coming out at some unspecified point in the future". The obvious counterargument is "fine, I'll pick one up when all that good stuff happens, in the meanwhile I'll be over here enjoying my vastly superior range of titles".

  • Eurytus #62 4 years ago

    monkie_king,

    "I think a lot of the strong argument from the 360 owners isn't due to partisanship so much as some PS3 owners' arguments defying reason. That tends to wind people up. The main one tends to be "PS3 is better because its potential is untapped and look at all the supposedly great games coming out at some unspecified point in the future". The obvious counterargument is "fine, I'll pick one up when all that good stuff happens, in the meanwhile I'll be over here enjoying my vastly superior range of titles". "

    Yep, I would like nothing better than finding a reason to buy a PS3, money certainly is not an issue, as I own a projector I would like to have HD movies.
    But the games situation is just simply too poor at the moment to make it viable. I think only Uncharted and Motorstorm appeal to me much and even those would really be 2nd hand purchases.
    Of the upcoming releases I have never really been a MGS fan, way too much in the way of cinematics for me, and the 360 easily fills my FPS needs (and then some) so its only really GT5 that I can see appealing.

    And even then there are so many good 360 games coming out recently that would probably be higher on my priority list but I simply have not had time to buy/play them. Mass Effect and COD4 being two prominent examples.

  • DrDamn #63 4 years ago

    @evilfoxhound
    As noted earlier up in the comments the PS3 is indeed outselling the 360 in both Japan and "Other" (Europe + other bits). In fact worldwide the PS3 outsold the 360 in December by about 100k. The 360 is still king in the US though.

    The discussion has moved on to why the hell it is outselling the 360 when clearly it is *currently* not the best choice for most reasons.

  • DrDamn #64 4 years ago

    Oh he might have you with that last one Farticus ;). (Bugger he edited - the half cut bit).

    To be a little fairer to Headbog the only serious combat you played through was the start bit on the boat. The next couple of sections were all mainly exploration / puzzles. The fact is you didn't want to continue - when really a great game should have gripped you by then. We did play a significant way through up until the discovery of the UBoat if memory serves me right.
    Edited by 1 at 04/01/08 @ 15:41

  • monkie_king #65 4 years ago

    Eurytus: ditto, and I think that's where the bad multiplatform conversions hurt the PS3. If it was 360 that had the shonky ports, there'd be much more of a dilemma--Xbox catalogue vs. good multiplatform games. As it stands the choice is between Xbox catalogue plus good ports, vs. not a hell of a lot.

    (I mean it hurts the PS3 from my POV, it's not going to matter to the average mouth-breathing NFS-loving McDonalds dweller who makes up the majority of UK console sales).
    Edited by 1 at 04/01/08 @ 15:47

  • monkie_king #66 4 years ago

    hmm, I have to disagree there. I had a Cube, PS2 and Xbox, and the PlayStation was always my last choice for multiplatform. Off the top of my head, SC2 load-times sucked on PS2, Metal Arms textures sucked on PS2, Burnout3 and Black looked worse on PS2, Resi4 looked worse on PS2, Prince of Persia looked worse on PS2. Not to mention the shitty PS2 controller which would have pushed me to Xbox if everything else was the same.

    I really stuggle to think of anything that was worse on Xbox than PS2, other than the MGS2 conversion.

    edit: I take Resi4 back, PS2 was clearly not lead platform there.
    Edited by 1 at 04/01/08 @ 15:54

  • Eurytus #67 4 years ago

    "hmm, I have to disagree there. I had a Cube, PS2 and Xbox, and the PlayStation was always my last choice for multiplatform. Off the top of my head, SC2 load-times sucked on PS2, Metal Arms textures sucked on PS2, Burnout3 and Black looked worse on PS2, Resi4 looked worse on PS2, Prince of Persia looked worse on PS2. Not to mention the shitty PS2 controller which would have pushed me to Xbox if everything else was the same."



    Yup, I can't think of many cross platform games that were better on PS2. Sometimes the developers did not make use of the Xbox's increased power but I don't recall seeing many, if any, that were actually worse than the PS2 versions.

  • tesco #68 4 years ago

    jesus, i've been away from this thread for hours, HOURS, and headbog is still ranting on 'Defending his console from the Xbotz0rs'.
    Seems you are a little too defensive headbog. Wonder why. None of this matters you know.

  • DrDamn #69 4 years ago

    It was certainly a hell of a lot more played than a "training" mission. Enough to get a flavour of the game and pass an opinion. If it gets massively better after that point then great - but if you've already lost your audience then its a fault of the game.

  • tesco #70 4 years ago

    "tesco: And yet you still felt the need to make a pointless and stupid comment."

    bless.

  • lovely2cu #71 4 years ago

    What a sad cunt that headbog is. The 360 is selling well, and? Where's the drama?

  • old_skool #72 4 years ago

    The numbers sounds impressive but as Arbiter ,Steroid and Evilfoxhound pointed out, it's actually a decline since last year sale, an 18% drop, the US market must be close to saturation

    The attach rate for Halo3 indicates a very narrow demographic, very specific type of gamer buying the console.

    I would dare to say that things doesn't look all that rosy for Microsoft. The console is cheaper in 2007 and still sold less in 2007 compared to 2006.

  • Garulon #73 4 years ago

    "The numbers sounds impressive but as Arbiter ,Steroid and Evilfoxhound pointed out, it's actually a decline since last year sale, an 18% drop, the US market must be close to saturation "

    No, it's because MS stuffed the shit out the channel last year and didn't bother dropping prices, so the first few months of 2007 was an awful lull.

    I also love the backpedalling from the PS3 owners, the old "odd dropped frame?" Some of these PS3 ports are a travesty, you'd be squealing litle stuck little piggies about how shitty the 360 is if the positions were reversed. I can't wait for January's NPD where we can all officially declare the PS3 a flop and move on.

  • zedzee #74 4 years ago

    @ farticusmaximus:

    You are right about Drake's character animation. It does seem dreadful at times and so is his female companion's.

    I don't own a PS3 nor have I played all the aspects of Uncharted but I did have a go at a friend's house and saw some more over the shoulders of others at Virgin Megastore recently and the bit that made me exclaim (like those soldiers in MGS) was when Drake or his female companion approached a water-ski or something like that and tried to get on it.

    When they did that their legs turned into the usual ("shimmy" you call it) what I call 'Skating On Ice'*...In other words, their leg movement had nothing to do with the type of terrain being drawn underneath them.

    With all the stories of how good the game is and its actual story (albeit being rather a short game) and the fact that animation was one of the main things that the developers were proud of, I was rather disappointed to see that despite all that power, collision detection has not moved much further forward.

    * Copyright, Zed Zee. ;-)

  • DjFlex52 #75 4 years ago

    Wow...and certain "people" complain endlessly about xbots invading PS3 threads and we've had almost 50 comments debating the merits of Uncharted...a PS3 game!

    If the PS3 had a bunch of good games and some great games last year like the 360 did through out the year not including multi platform games(Lost Planet, Crackdown, PacMan Championship, EDF2, Catan, GHII & III, Forza 2, Bomberman Live, C&C 3, Overlord, Blue Dragon, Bioshock, Flatout UC, Eternal Sonata , PGR4, Halo 3, Puzzle Quest, TOB, E4, Beautiful Katamari, Ace Combat 6, Naruto, TR Anniversary, VF5 Online and MASS EFFECT - 25 games) then Uncharted wouldnt even be in the discussion of great PS3 games. This wouldn't even be called a great year in games if it was left up to the Wii and PS3....it would be average.

    Did you notice that the games I listed are all NOT FPS games as Sony fanboys seems to have labeled the 360 as being?....and have you Sony fanboys realized that Sony, vaunted for its variety of games, didn't even release an RPG the whole fucking year?

    That Sony fanboys can even argue and defend their PS3 as the superior console is delusional, at best. That the PS3 sold as many consoles as they did with what they showcased shows the ridiculous and irrational nature of alot of fanboys and gamers. I'd say you're all NUTS. I'll buy my PS3 the same as when I bought my PS2...when they have some fucking games!
    Edited by 1 at 05/01/08 @ 21:02

  • old_skool #76 4 years ago

    @Garulon
    MS stuffed the channel maybe as much as 2 million consoles but thats not going to make a big difference this time as well, I wouldn't be susprise if there's still a million or more consoles stuffed in the channel.

    The NPD numbers should be interesting. I expect Nintendo to have a clear lead over Microsoft, with Sony a distant 3rd globally. A regional breakdown would be more interesting.


    And DJFlex, stop it with that lame argument, the PS3 has games, maybe not to your liking...

  • Kryon #77 4 years ago

    @LOL Skool

    "A regional breakdown would be more interesting. "

    I don't see why? We already know what does well in which regions. World wide sales are what's most important to the big three companies (and those who support them). As long as MS are still raping Sony I'm quite sure that Bill is more than happy with that and sees it as a huge success seeing as a few years ago it would not have been expected for MS to ever really be able to even think about 'winning' this race (in fact people would have laughed a few years back if you told them the 360 would be pissing on Sony's machine in the way that it is tbh)

    In fact I do remember people laughing a few years ago in these very comments sections! " Oh yeah, teh PSFREE will piss on teh FREE60 innit bruv LULZ!! CELL!!1one!!!" Now those very same people (like SDFMemberMalik) sit there subdued and murmur of how "at least teh PSFREE is almost as good as teh FREE60...next year teh FReE60 will loose"... It's always next year with the SDF isn't it...Funny that, eh...


    "And DJFlex, stop it with that lame argument, the PS3 has games"

    Yes, it does but in comparison to the 360's catalogue it isn't far from pathetic. Brand loyalty is fine but just remember you're the ones losing out. Just sad, really...

  • old_skool #78 4 years ago

    Kryon, have you quite finished waving your little willy?

  • Kryon #79 4 years ago

    @OldSpice

    Good come back but you know it's true. You and the rest of your little SDF brethren sound so bitter about the whole thing. The 360 is doing well, in fact better than ever expected (and better than the PS3, not just in sales but in performance, catalogue and every other aspect that's important)...Get over it.

  • old_skool #80 4 years ago

    Your beloved 360 is doing well so don't be such a kry baby. And you can close your pants now, you scaring everyone away.

  • Kryon #81 4 years ago

    /olskool realises the PS3 is loosing...

    /oldskool insults 360 owners...

    /oldskool am cry :'( "BewHew"

    The End.

  • DjFlex52 #82 4 years ago

    "And DJFlex, stop it with that lame argument, the PS3 has games"

    @oldskool

    "the PS3 has games" < now that's a lame argument, right there. As Apologie and the rest of his brethren would say..."oldskool, wait another year, and we'll have bestest games". Yea right ;)
    The PS3 had shoddy multi console ports and R&C, Uncharted, Motorstorm, NGSigma, VF5, Super Stardust, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Singstar and UT3...10 games in 2007.

  • old_skool #83 4 years ago

    So it has some ports + 10 other games.

    Well done, you can count after all.
    Edited by 1 at 05/01/08 @ 21:25

  • thinktank #84 4 years ago

    headbog wow. Your commitment is amazing, are you by any chance related to any of the brass band players who were on the Titanic?

  • DjFlex52 #85 4 years ago

    So it has some ports + 10 other games.

    Well done, you can count after all.

    @oldskool

    well done, you can read...can you also admit DEFEAT?
    And I guess you're a satisfied customer...10 games and some bad ports.

    edit: I'm a very very satisfied customer. I've played 25 games and some great multi console games...try again.
    And please dont run the RROD card...my 360 has worked fine since April 2006 playing all those games you dont have ;)
    Edited by 1 at 06/01/08 @ 00:04

  • anamenos #86 4 years ago

    headbog the sony agent.......

  • slickster #87 4 years ago

    17.7 million but how meny are still working.this 17.7 is probably because of people buying a replacement console when there warranty runs out or when it brakes again.

  • Kryon #88 4 years ago

    slickster

    The 360 has a three year warranty. The 360 hasn't been out for three years hence the warranty couldn't have run out yet could it hence your point is invalid.

  • slickster #89 4 years ago

    yes but the 3 year warranty was not out in december 2005 was it,i should now i had 1 in 2005 well 3 with all the problems.the 3 year warranty only been out the middle of last year.
    Edited by 1 at 06/01/08 @ 11:42

  • Kryon #90 4 years ago

    "i had 1 in 2006 well 3 with all the problems"

    Nice edit....

    Edited by 1 at 06/01/08 @ 11:46

  • Kryon #91 4 years ago

    Anywway, are you telling us that you paid for three brand new consoles? Or did you get the one you owned repaired? My launch system died once, I paid for repair and a few months later when the longer warranty came in, MS kindly refunded me.

  • slickster #92 4 years ago

    you to
    Edited by 1 at 06/01/08 @ 11:51

  • Kryon #93 4 years ago

    slickster. lying about how many RRoD you've suffered and changing the dates in your argument (when you realised you'd just made a tit of yourself) is really pretty sad. I like your profile pic by the way although it does let people know what your bias is...

  • thinktank #94 4 years ago

    'thinktank:

    And your point is?'

    ahhh, ignorance is bliss.

  • slickster #95 4 years ago

    yes i got a ps3 but if you look at my profile you can see my xboxlive name.i had a 360 but just got p*stoff with the problems.and yes i got a blu-ray pic on my profile and proud of it.

  • Kryon #96 4 years ago

    @slickster

    "yes i got a blu-ray pic on my profile and proud of it."

    Did you design Blu-ray or? I'm just not quite sure what you have to be 'proud' about? It's a HD movie player, not your first born child.

  • slickster #97 4 years ago

    kryon your saying all this but you where the one to bring up the question about my profile pic.who looks silly now not me.

  • IneptPercy #98 4 years ago

    So, how many months is it until the the PS3 catches up if it keeps selling 100k more a month...

    I think in reality everybody just has to agree the 360 has the best range of games right now, what the future brings... who knows.

    As it is for now my 360, Wii and PC cover all my gaming needs, when Sony can come up with a reason for me to buy a PS3 then I will.

    Its nothing to do with loyalty to any brand or random fanboyism, the 360 was the better option for me.

    Just have to love how personal some people take it, like they are protecting there child when somebody says their console is rubbish. Lets be honest the competition between 360 and PS3 benefits us all. If the 360 wasn't about I am sure the PS3 would still be £425 and likewise I am sure the 360 price cuts only happened due to the PS3 price cuts.

    Lets just try and get along, if we all liked the same things life would be boring.

  • Kryon #99 4 years ago

    @slickster

    "who looks silly now not me."

    No, I'm pretty sure it's still you son.

  • slickster #100 4 years ago

    kryon this is getting stupid now im off. peace out :o)

  • DjFlex52 #101 4 years ago

    kryon this is getting stupid now im off. peace out :o)

    @slickster

    getting stupid? Your comments were stupid from the start. Nowadays RROD complaints are like very good PS3 games...a spatter here and there.

  • Kryon #102 4 years ago

    Well said DJFlex ;0)

    I'd just like to add, the PS3 is not free from faults, contrary to SDF beliefs the PS3 has problems of it's own, perhaps not to the same scale as the RRoD was but then I don't see Sony rushing to offer any kind of extended warranty (a bit like what happened with the early PS2's shoddy dvd drives)

    <a href=http:// www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=ps3+not+reading+ discs&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8>Ooops!</a&g t;

    Or just check the PS3 forums right here on EG, quite a few complaints...

    <a href=http://www.eurogamer.net/forum_th read_posts.php?thread_id=103009&category_id=41>Oh dear...</a>

    Obviously it's not on the same scale as the problems MS have had but it's hardly an isolated incident either.... New tech breaks, at least some companies admit it and rectify the problem...

  • Kryon #103 4 years ago

    @rdexter

    If we were in prison right now, you'd be my favourite 'girlfriend', I hope you know that ;0)

  • tesco #104 4 years ago

    all those posts and headbog still lost.

    :)