Wii Roundup Comments by Ellie Gibson

Surely the Wii gets more lame software than any other console in history?! I know it's got it's AAAs, but the trend for tosh is getting beyond a joke. I guess people must be buying it though...

Sigh. Someone actually worked this all out on the forums a while back in an attempt to shut all you the fuck up, and I think he discovered the average 360 game will get 0.4 higher than the average wii game from Eurogamer.

LOLWIIHASNOGAMESLOL123

EG has a one-trick pony, and its name is Ellie Gibson.

"@ i dont have a ps3

it has dross to, just not as much, and i havent seen anything that would make me splash out on it
"

To be fair the only reason the ps3 doesnt have as much dross is because it's got beggar all games available for it!

>Surely the Wii gets more lame software than any other console in history?

Sigh.No.

Go back look at the ps1, or ps2 for that matter.. or go back further to the days of the atari vc.

And as Katsumoto points out...


As for my opinion - who cares about shit games? I dont buy a console based on how many/few shit games it has - but buy it based on the number of GREAT games it has - and the wii has a lot of great games..

(to which the fanboys will say "yeah but they all have mario in them", to which i say "who cares, it's only a graphical representation of the character you're playing, if it was mario, barbie, or duke nukem as the main character - it'll still be a good game").

Now I can't stop imagining Duke Nukem Kart. That sounds awesome :)

anomagnus: I do agree with you that the Wii's crap-to-quality ratio is poor, but otherwise you seem to be falling into that age old trap of confusing "I don't like X" with "X is shit". Take your example of the N64; you bought it, you only liked two games on it, fine. It doesn't mean that the console was shit, though; on the contrary, it was home to a vast library of games that were both hugely popular and critically adored, even if you didn't like them. The Wii isn't as strong a system by any stretch of the imagination, but the same principle applies. Regardless of whether or not you, anomagnus of the Eurogamer message boards, are interested in them personally, the Wii is home to a respectable number of highly-rated and popular games (Zelda, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, No More Heroes, Pro Evo, Metroid Prime, Paper Mario, Wii Fit, Zack & Wiki), including the most acclaimed game of the generation in Super Mario Galaxy; more than enough to counter your insinuation that the system's gimmicky worthlessness is somehow an objective truth of some kind.

Don't like the Wii? No problem, that's your personal taste. That doesn't mean that those tastes and opinions should have any relevance to anyone else's, though...

I only play "good" games, on the Wii or any other system. "Good" is subjective, and reviews point the way but don't always match my tastes. But my point is, I ONLY play what I consider to be good games. If I buy a crap game (rare, I usually research), I offload it or simply don't play it.

This may seem typical of all of us "gamers" on this board. But I've noticed that the more casual types, and kids in particular, they will play anything because they bought it or were given it in a gift. None of us would be seen dead buying much of this dross (and yes, throw a dart at a wall of random Wii games and it is likely to come up crap), but the whole casual/kids market puts up with it, and comes back for more. If they didn't, the publishers wouldn't exist.

I own a Wii, and love many games on that system, and it's not because of the waggle, it's because of the love put into the titles.

this only helps to make the Wii look an even shittier gimmick than it already is.
can't be long now before ninty announce plans for their next gen console.

Muddtalica just put you right in your place anomagnus.

What is with all the negativity anomagnus? Why focus on the bad? What is the point of that?

The Wii has plenty of good to focus on. This generation would be a much more miserable one without the Wii. Enjoy it.

"But I've noticed that the more casual types, and kids in particular, they will play anything because they bought it or were given it in a gift. None of us would be seen dead buying much of this dross (and yes, throw a dart at a wall of random Wii games and it is likely to come up crap), but the whole casual/kids market puts up with it, and comes back for more. If they didn't, the publishers wouldn't exist"
..............

Put all the games from this generation on a wall and throw a dart at it and it'll usually turn out to be crap.

The PS3 has what three good exclusives and maybe six non-exclusives.

The 360 is about the same ratio

And so is the wii now I come to think of it.

The dross always vastly outweighs the gems - there's a solution though. IGNORE IT AND DON'T F"""KING BUY IT

Just get the gems

well its true wii have do not have alot of very good games. Its true but they have som amazing games that are totally diffenrent to play (an new experience) compared to the same old games from ps1-3 ond xbox.
I like my wii, its a breath of fresh air. Will the experience last?? Well dont know. One day it will problely be the "same old, same old" but for now i am enjoying myself.

@smelly

Stereotypes exist as they're based on some degree of fact, albeit a distored version of reality:

"PS3 crap ports bluray trojan teh cell LOL!"
"360 RROD LOL!"
"Wiishovelware crap graphics LOL!"

In a way these are all both true and, at the same time, all false statements as people, expectations and experiences occupy as many different shades of grey as games do...but there's an old saying that rings true for all the above statements:

There's no smoke without fire

At then end of the day no one console is perfect and each one appeals to different people for different reasons. I want good graphics, adult/mature themed titles and reliability above anything else so I'm a PS3 owner. Doesn't make it the best console, mind, just the one I want. Conversely: the last thing I want is party games, Mario or weak graphics. Doesn't mean they need defending, just that I don't want them.

"Allah loves wonderous variety"

All hail the Freeman :)

WHY do I read this comment section? It just makes me angry at all the idiots who 'comment' here.

This annoyance is not at the people who don't speak dross (you know who you are) but at the rest of you.

Dunno about the rest of the games, but I don't think the reviewer was appropriate for Guilty Gear (and I'm trying not to be offensive here).

I've not even played any Guilty Gears, but that review seemed way off the mark for me. The game is designed for skill, and should be played and reviewed as such. If you don't understand or want to understand it, then don't review it.

It'd be like me reviewing Pro Evolution: I don't like football or football games, nor particularly want to like them, so my review would be of little use to people who know about those types of games.

Agreed. A respectable series like Guilty Gear isn't really deserving of being grouped with shovelware. A certain responsibility comes with reviewing games because you're essentially influencing purchasing decisions or informing buyers of the positives and negatives of a game, and it would have been preferable to have someone who has greater interest in fighting games or some experience with Guilty Gear as the reviewer.

Oh I don't know: EG's Wii reviewer of choice is rather reflective of the console's demographic (no offence, Ellie) and she does imply that it's somewhat off her radar, so what's the problem?

/hopes Ellie will forgive and still say "yes:)" went t'knee gets bended

I usually enjoy Ellie's reviews, but I think things are getting a little out of hand here, it's like she's not even spending any time on the games before writing them off. She's clearly setting out to slate them all. Which would be fine if there isn't anything to the game, but is unfair on a game which has depth but perhaps not mainstream appeal.

As a fighting game fan, I was offended by the Guilty Gear review. It was like getting someone who hates JRPGs to review a JRPG, or someone who doesn't even understand how American Football works to review Madden.

These roundups are brilliant! Great time wasters and teh funny really makes the whole thing enjoyable (though I would have liked to see a little moar of teh funny tbh).

What's the problem? Guilty Gear is clearly a bit of a niche series and the review reflects that fine. If you've played them before, it's an 8, if you haven't (and probably not really familiar with it) it's a 6, and if you don't like those sorts of games it's a 4. All seemed pretty straightforward to me... but then I learnt to read quite a while ago now.

Also for those reading this group of reviews and automatically assuming that this is 5 more crap games. I believe two of the titles, if up your street, would be re-adjusted to 7 and 8 respectively. So, essentially, even some of the round-up Wii games have actually scored quite well if you already have some kind of interest.

Sometimes I worry about the internet. If only because some of the people who populate it could be driving a car near me, and I'm pretty sure I saw an advert on Tv that seemed to imply driving a car results in the death of almost everyone. Well, I think that's what it was implying, I didn't actually read any of the text.

edit - I obviously didn't learn how to write whilst I was learning to read haha

I'm going to buy all of those games. They all sound brilliant.

Remember the days when people actually left their homes to play video games ??

In fairness, all i have actually said is that

a) theres a LOT of crap games on the wii
b) and even the industry has says this - developers tend to think they can re use old games and throw in a gimmick related to the wii mote and the whole game is rejuvenated. Its not.
c) Similarity, developers tend to mask lazy development with the wii mote, hoping the novelty of swinging you arms will disguise sloppy work.

Quite frankly, its not like I've come out and actually unfairly criticized the system or Nintendo. What i am saying is that this system is having shit dumped on it from lazy developers, and Nintendo themselves are NOT doing a good enough job on quality control.

Nothing i have actually said is unfair, or has NOT been documented else where.

As for the games itself, i'm sick of cutsey games, i find them jarring and annoying, but thats my choice.

Look at the the blog from that 1up guy, where he described the wii as his biggest disappointment of 2007. He's right. The wii has something unique, the wii mote, but is that the be all and end all? No, at the end of the day, you need a core platofrm of GOOD games on a good release schedule. Simply relying on 2 or 3 first party titles a year is not enough to say 'this system rocks'

Pardon me if i am old fashioned, but i judge a system on the amount of quality titles that are available on, and if i look at the wii, i see a handful of first party titles, maybe a few 8/10 third party titles, and a vast catalogue of sub par games.

It was clear that Nintendo were on the slide before the wii, and now that they have some success with the wii, it just seems like they are throwing enough shit at the wall, and hoping some sticks.

Like i say, if a wii mote had come up on the 360 or ps3 (sixaxis to me seems like a shit compromise 'oh, theres the wiimote, lets copy out, but not look like we are copying it'), how would the wii do? Now, to be fair, i also imagine that if a wiimote was on the 360 or ps3 we would be shit games as well, and, believe it or not, i would post saying that.

Guys, i'm not being negative, all i'm doing is highlighting the fundamental problem with the wii, in that it has become about the interface, and not the game, and as a result, their is an abundance of crap on the wii.

Puddleduck - What's the problem? Guilty Gear is clearly a bit of a niche series and the review reflects that fine. If you've played them before, it's an 8, if you haven't (and probably not really familiar with it) it's a 6, and if you don't like those sorts of games it's a 4. All seemed pretty straightforward to me... but then I learnt to read quite a while ago now.

Ugh, how degrading it must be to be me. >_>

Anyway, saying at the end of a review "add 2 points if you like these games" is complete rubbish. That, to me, says the reviewer doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.

The reviews on this website have been inconsistent for a while now. You got one person saying Gears of War is rightfully 8/10 on one format, and then another saying it's 9/10 on a different format (for the wrong reasons). But this example of Guilty Gear being played by someone who doesn't know or understand the genre really points out how this website is still too unreliable for consumers to trust.

Throw your superior "oh you can't read" crap all you want, but at least I can understand when something is clearly inaccurate. You cannot, it seems.

I just wish Nintendo would slow down with all the great games released in short succession for the Wii, I don't have the time to play them all properly!

And I'm a Nintendo only gamer! (Wii+DS+PC)

I'd say that it's the developers who aren't thinking of more imaginative ways to use the wiimote, or if they DO think of something good the application of it is pants. As an example take the bowling game in the review, and as Ellie says compare it to wii sports bowling. Nintendo have shown it can be done well, but other developers either can't do it to the same standard, don't have the time to do it, or have a crap set of testing.

Another example of how the system actually works well is PES. Overall it's regarded as not up to scratch on the 360 and PS3, yet Konami managed to find a good application for the wiimote and applied it well. The result is a game that many reckon to be the best version for the next gen consoles, even though the wii lags behind technically

"To do May and the Jolly Crew, for example, you must perform a punch, kick, slash and heavy slash, and then press left, down-left, down, down-right, right, left, down-left, down, down-right, right. While simultaneously doing another heavy slash.

You might think that sounds like brilliant fun, in which case you've probably enjoyed Guilty Gear games before and will like this one."

Wow, great review! I have a series of great reviews which you might enjoy and find informative:

"To fight monsters, you must first select one, then select a spell or ability from the menu to use on it. You might think that sounds like brilliant fun, in which case you've probably enjoyed Final Fantasy games before and will like this one."

"To kill enemies, you should aim at them with your mouse and then click to pull the trigger on your virtual gun. You might think that sounds like brilliant fun, in which case you've probably enjoyed Half Life games before and will like this one."

"To complete the level you must select your troops with your mouse, then right click on the enemies troops to have them destroyed. You might think that sounds like brilliant fun, in which case you've probably enjoyed StarCraft games before and will like this one."

To complete these reviews, add the following:

"A difficult one to score, then. Add some numbers if you liked the game i'm reviewing, subtract some if you couldn't give a toss about this sort of thing."

Check in the mail please.

Chin up, Ellie.

"It's never a good sign when there are spelling mistakes on the back of the game's box."

It also never a good sign when the person reviewing a game can't get the title right: Its called Guilty Gear XX Accent Core:

http://www.505games.co.uk/games.aspx?ID=26

Or to put the reviewers comment in perspective (and riff on a popular advert):

Japanese to English translation service: ££££
5 minutes background research on the internet: Free.

Comments like that and "I booted up the game without even opening the manual" really don't do her any favours.

good read