Wii is most popular console in the UK

By Ellie Gibson Published 13 January, 2009

DS outselling PSP by more than 5 to 1.

The Wii has the highest UK installed base of the big three consoles, with Xbox 360 in second place and PlayStation 3 in third.

That's according to new figures from GfK Chart-Track, released by retailer GAME and reported by GamesIndustry.biz.

The installed base for the Wii is now 4.9 million consoles. The figure for Xbox 360 stands at 3.2 million, while for PS3 it's 1.9 million.

That means 2 million Wii units were sold during 2008, compared to 1.4 million Xbox 360s. Sony shifted 1 million PS3s over the course of the year.

The company also sold 600,000 PSP units, bringing the total installed base to 3.2 million. Nintendo's winning again, though - 8.8 million DS units have now been sold in the UK. In total 3.4 million of those were shifted last year, meaning the DS outsold the PSP by more than 5 to 1.

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  • bigbadbeasty #1 3 years ago

    Well... duh!

  • Rodster #2 3 years ago

    The Wii and DS outselling everyone, shocker. :p

  • ayrtonsenna #3 3 years ago

    Impressive and tragic at the same time.

  • Rodster #4 3 years ago

    I've owned a Wii since it launched and own a handful of games. It is the least played console of the three.

  • Buenos_Estente #5 3 years ago

    What is the population of the UK?

    Thats an awful lot of households with a wii!

  • Pro_Gamer #6 3 years ago

    The Wii and DS sales are not actually that impressive. Consider this: they are consoles targeted at kids...

  • The_vorlon_man #7 3 years ago

    That pretty much proves that the entire European lead the 360 has over the PS3, is entirely because the 360 in the UK is so far ahead of the PS3.

    Continental europe is still very much Sonyland, despite what MS says.



  • JohnnyWashnGo #8 3 years ago

    Surprise surprise, cheaper games machine sell more.

    I would never have guessed.

  • Bealsy #9 3 years ago

    The 360 fan blows the dust off mine :p

    Every time I look at it I think "I wonder how many 360 games I could get if I trade it in"

  • Der_tolle_Emil #10 3 years ago

    That pretty much proves that the entire European lead the 360 has over the PS3, is entirely because the 360 in the UK is so far ahead of the PS3.

    Continental europe is still very much Sonyland, despite what MS says.

    Actually that's not true. According to GfK Chart Track the 360 is leading in Spain, France, Italy, the UK and even Germany (although the lead in Germany is negligible).

  • Britesparc Verified Creative, ITV #11 3 years ago

    OH MY GOD!

    /dies of shock

  • Psychotext #12 3 years ago

    DS is a monster... and Europe is Nintendoland.

  • The_vorlon_man #13 3 years ago

    Der_tolle_Emil:

    If the lead is 1 million accross Europe, and the gap between the 360 and the PS3 in the UK is over 1.8 million, there's something wrong with your figures somewhere.

  • Buztafen #14 3 years ago

    Theyve been bought for girlfriends and wives i guarantee it!! I bought my gf (stealth i have a gf post) a Wii in sept and a DS for chrimbo....keeps her quiet when im shooting the face of zombies.....
    Edited by 1 at 13/01/09 @ 10:08

  • IronCladChicken #15 3 years ago

    I actually own more Wii games then XBox360 games

  • JohnnyWashnGo #16 3 years ago

    I should have said earlier that I love the Wii - its a great machine for games. If you enjoy playing games, then you will find the Wii has a nice collection of pretty good ones. Sadly though, the list of must have titles for this year is a little sparse. But there is still the virtual console and WiiWare to enjoy.

    All that being said, I am spending more and more time on the PS3 these days. The couple of months leading to christmas 2008 were great for cheap PS3 games and I have a stack of them to play through now :)

  • Zomoniac #17 3 years ago

    Surprise surprise, cheaper games machine sell more.

    Given the Wii is substantially more expensive than the 360 that doesn't really hold up.

  • CallousB #18 3 years ago

    A slight typo in that article.Wii sold 2.9 million in 2008 (not 2 million).

    Lifetime Total (UK)
    PS3 - 1.9m
    360 - 3.2m
    PSP - 3.2m
    Wii - 4.9m
    DS - 8.8m

    2008 Total (UK)
    PSP - 0.6m
    PS3 - 1.0m
    360 - 1.4m
    Wii - 2.9m
    DS - 3.4m
    Edited by 1 at 13/01/09 @ 10:33

  • paulf #19 3 years ago

    i think i recall someone somewhere saying that if the wii is everyone's second machine then it will be the market leader, would be interesting to see the numbers on how many households have a wii only compared to the other 2 machines

  • Ignatius_Cheese #20 3 years ago

    @ paulf - That would be an interesting statistic, yes.

  • spudsbuckley #21 3 years ago

    It annoys me greatly that the Wii is doing so well. I have 4 games for mine including Wii Sports which you get with the machine (i have 20+ for both the PS3 and 360, not all gems but they interested me enough to buy them) and i haven't turned it on in six months and the last time i did turn it on was to install the homebrew channel which i played with for about ten minutes and then gave up on because it didn't offer anything my PC didn't already do better.

    It's just not a gamers machine. There are far too few quality titles and the rest is just horrible cheap shovelware that most people who know about games and consider themselves gamers would ever dream of buying. The problem is that it's going to change the way that Sony and MS approach the development of their next generation of consoles and it may well kill off gaming as we know it. It'll be wall-to-wall ten minute pick-up-and-play stuff or shiny versions of flash games.

    *sigh*
    Edited by 1 at 13/01/09 @ 10:56

  • rhubarbandcustard #22 3 years ago

    I've said it before, I'll say it again now, and I'll doubtless say it again in the future.

    The Wii's games catalogue is so piss poor that many people, for whom this is their first gaming experience, will never buy a console again.

  • Widge #23 3 years ago

    A lot of people find that catalogue more appealing and accessable than what the 360/PS3 can offer, regardless of people like us sitting about bleating about "casuals" and stuff.

  • Rirekon #24 3 years ago

    "It's just not a gamers machine."

    And "gamers" are a tiny portion of the overall retail market, as repeatedly proven by the high sales numbers of other "non gamer" games.

    Get over it people, you're not as financially important as you wish you were.

  • Bursiene #25 3 years ago

    Seven steps to playing the wii

    1. Find a game that looked ok!
    2. Buy it
    3. Put game in console
    4. Play game for 5 minutes
    5. Bored - Switch off wii
    6. Put game back in box
    7. Sell game on ebay

    And so it goes on...

    Got so sick of the crap that nintendo bring out finally sold the wii! Hurray!




  • FTM #26 3 years ago

    lots of people watch Big Brother or buy The Sun..it doesnt make them any good though

  • ayrtonsenna #27 3 years ago

    Wii 2 will come third next time round.

  • CapnCloudchaser #28 3 years ago

    Is the PSP actually dead? Are there any decent games coming out within the next year? Some game shops I've been in don't even bother to stock PSP games anymore, and the majority of other game shops have a very small section just tucked into the corner.

    If anyone has seen HMV in the MetroCentre though, you'll see how popular the Wii and DS is. Loads of shelf space for the Wii, it's incredible. Whilst the other consoles, and PC, are quietly tucked away.

  • DFawkes #29 3 years ago

    I like all the consoles, I'm glad to see gaming in general is doing so well. I know it's lead to more games aimed at this new market, but I can live with it as long as indie developers still exist.

    I'm surprised that PS3 numbers are as hig to be honest, I can count the number of people I know that have PS3s on the number of Wolverine style claws I have (none, I'm not Wolverine). All the people I know went for 360s.

  • Widge #30 3 years ago

    Nintendo got it right, they saw that there was a market for jump in games, games for people who don't want to get to grips with VATS and levelling up, button and taking cover tutorials etc...

  • Widge #31 3 years ago

    Yes, very few games out for the PSP, I mean there are some Sony and Square offerings to come this year that look wonderful... I do reckon piracy has been a killer, especially once the unlocking battery came into knowledge. I actually welcome the PSP revisions if it starts steering people in the direction of buying PSP games (even if it is online). The install base is the same as the 360, so technically there is a market.

  • GamesConnoisseur #32 3 years ago

    Wii is a reasonable fine console especially if you only got SD TV, even though X360 and PS3 can do better visuals via SD but its only when you have HDTV that the gap get so enlarged. I ve been very spoiled by used to playing HD games on both X360 and PS3 that getting back to bog standard SD gaming with lower processing is very apparently inferior.

    Call me a graphic whore, but why the heck so DID generations of the gamers in mass dropping the Spectrum 48k/C64 to move to Amiga/AtariST? Then others uprgraded to SNES/Megadrive from inferior but playable NES and Master System?

    Because it is progress!

    Calling me or other gamers graphic whore! Is to call everyone else the SAME! Nintendo made a brilliant and clever decision to only focus on controller and that worked to a large degree. I only dust off Wii for certain games like World of Goo but even Brawl or No More Heroes wasnt enough to divert me away from HD consoles.

    I would be suprised if Wii can continue to dominate (games wise not just hardware) for the next numbers of years past the point when HD media becomes more mainstream.

  • Widge #33 3 years ago

    If the games can't appeal to the rather hefty market that the Wii has then they still won't move to HD (unless that Wii HD hits), regardless of graphical grunt. I sat down and demo'd Gears 2 to a bunch of people which pretty much ended up resulting in a half hour bore fest for them. No doubt the likes of Killzone 2 and Fallout 3 would stir the same kind of reaction. We can wave 9 and 10/10 scores at them but if they find it all boring then whats the point? One size does not fit all.

  • spudsbuckley #34 3 years ago

    Yeah but that doesn't mean gamers have to be ok about the destruction of the hardcore gaming market.

    If Sony and MS go the way of Nintendo with their next machines then i reckon i'll become a PC guy exclusively, which, as much as i love PC gaming, it's expensive and fiddly at the best of times.

    Either that or i'll turn into one of those retro saddos that i despise ;P

  • BOFH_UK #35 3 years ago

    "It's just not a gamers machine. There are far too few quality titles and the rest is just horrible cheap shovelware that most people who know about games and consider themselves gamers would ever dream of buying. The problem is that it's going to change the way that Sony and MS approach the development of their next generation of consoles and it may well kill off gaming as we know it. It'll be wall-to-wall ten minute pick-up-and-play stuff or shiny versions of flash games. "

    Oh come on, is this BS still being peddled by people with no vision or, seemingly, understanding of the marketplace? Wii may not have the huge catalogue of games that its competition does but it has ENOUGH titles that people will want to pick up and play. It IS a games machine that offers something for everyone, from the first time gamer to the so-called 'hardcore'. That's a very neat trick indeed. Just because it doesn't focus on what YOU want doesn't make it a crap, sorry. Yes, it has a lot of poor quality games but did you SEE the pile o' crap that was the PS2 catalogue?

    As for it killing gaming - that's just paranoid fantasy. There will always be a market for the hardcore gamer, both Sony and Microsoft know this and any changes they make to their existing or future platform will be to try and attract the casual gamer while retaining the 'hardcore'. They'd be idiots to do anything else really, why throw away a userbase of tens of millions to go compete in a marketplace where you've been struggling instead of trying to merge the tow.

    I really wish people would grow up and realise that the gaming market NEEDS to change, needs to bring in additional revenue streams and needs to support development of titles that don't cost tens of millions to build and market. Otherwise it's going to vanish up its own arse when production costs get so high studios simply can't afford to build titles that sell less than several million copies.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #36 3 years ago

    @The_vorlon_man: I'm just quoting numbers, it's not something I made up. It's probably a mix of install base and which console sold more which causes the discrepancy.

  • Widge #37 3 years ago

    I would anticipate that there will be markets for all types of gamers, which is what the industry needed really. I doubt 'our' kind of games would suddenly be phased out, they're still selling rather well.

  • two-2times #38 3 years ago

    the wii sucks big time, kiddy console, dunno how it keeps whupping the 360 and ps3's a$$!!!

    down with the wack wii

  • Widge #39 3 years ago

    since you sound like you're about 8, you must have one then

  • spudsbuckley #40 3 years ago

    'It IS a games machine that offers something for everyone, from the first time gamer to the so-called 'hardcore'.'

    Fair enough. I agree it's a fantastic console for the first-time gamer.

    List the 'hardcore' games i can get on the Wii that i can't get on the PS3/360 :D

  • IneptPercy #41 3 years ago

    I love Wii threads, for a short time both PS3 and 360 fanboys come together to take down a commen enemy.

    As a gamer I must echo waht others say, my Wii is a 'second' console as such and only gets use for the ocasional good game, if its all I had to play games on I wouldn't be happy.

  • secombe #42 3 years ago

    The old comeback used to be "yep but nobody buys any games for the Wii"

    Obviously, statistics over the past 18 months have blown that argument out of the water as well.

  • knocker #43 3 years ago

    "Fair enough. I agree it's a fantastic console for the first-time gamer."

    And surprisingly "old skool" gamers. Or just "old gamers" if you prefer ;)

    List the 'hardcore' games i can get on the Wii that i can't get on the PS3/360 :D

    Define hardcore.

  • Pulsar_t #44 3 years ago

    I really wish people would grow up and realise that the gaming market NEEDS to change, needs to bring in additional revenue streams and needs to support development of titles that don't cost tens of millions to build and market. Otherwise it's going to vanish up its own arse when production costs get so high studios simply can't afford to build titles that sell less than several million copies.

    +1

    And DS is the finest handheld platform ever. But it needs official homebrew support dammit!

  • varsas #45 3 years ago

    spudsbuckley
    13-Jan-09 10:48:33

    It annoys me greatly that the Wii is doing so well. I have 4 games for mine including Wii Sports which you get with the machine...

    ...There are far too few quality titles and the rest is just horrible cheap shovelware that most people who know about games and consider themselves gamers would ever dream of buying...

    Either you don't know what you're talking about or you haven't bothered looking because there are more than 4 quality games on the Wii.

    List the 'hardcore' games i can get on the Wii that i can't get on the PS3/360 :D

    Let's not bring up what is 'hardcore' again but instead use the term traditional quality games in which case: Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, Zack and Wiki, Trauma Centre 1 and 2 to name a few.
    Edited by 2 at 13/01/09 @ 12:48

  • spudsbuckley #46 3 years ago

    I mostly play single player games or online (not many gamer friends, the most i can get them to play is Tiger Woods or NFL).

    List these great titles then. Seriously, i'm not trolling. I'm looking for something to play on my Wii because it annoys me that it's sat there gathering dust.
    Edited by 1 at 13/01/09 @ 12:50

  • varsas #47 3 years ago

    I already listed a few in my previous edited post but a few more: No More Heroes, Fire Emblem, Super Paper Mario.

    Plus if you decided against buying a Gamecube there are a whole host of additional games.

    A couple for the future: Mad World and Dragon Quest X.
    Edited by 1 at 13/01/09 @ 12:55

  • Farzlepot #48 3 years ago

    I drank my Nintendo DS. And my Xbox 360 writes a blog, and I think that might be why it doesn't sell as well as the Wii - who wants a console that nags you if you don't play it?

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #49 3 years ago

    After all this time the same boring arguments from idiots still turn up in these threads.

    The Wii might not have as many hardcore games as the 360 or PS3, but if you care at all about games then it's got loads that you should be interested. Next year is one of the most exciting for the console with MadWorld, Cold Mountain, Monster Hunter Tri, Tenchu, Another Code, No More Heroes 2, Fatal Frame IV and Muramasa Youtouden to name a few.

    Don't believe the hype. Just the PS2 there's loads of crap on it, but it also has some of the best gaming experiences (and more importantly different) titles on offer - de Blob, Super Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes, PES, Zack & Wiki, Endless Ocean, Kororinpa plus much more.

    The Wii also succesfully appeals to the wider demographic and I'm still don't understand why 'gamers' are so threatened by this. Just like music, movies and books there'll be popular stuff that's absolute guff but that doesn't stop interesting, unique and challenging stuff from appearing - it never has and never will.

    Only idiots are fanboys, don't be one.

  • spudsbuckley #50 3 years ago

    'Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3'

    I have these three already :)

    'Trauma Centre 1 and 2'

    Borrowed the first one off someone because i already had the DS version so i didn't see the point in buying it again. The controls are just broken on the Wii version and i'm very confused as to why i seem to be one of the few people that noticed this. The Wii-mote is nowhere near as good as the DS stylus for the precision movements that are required. Gave up on it in frustration and have no desire to play the sequel.

    'No More Heroes'

    Another one i borrowed. Terrible, repetitive crud. I don't care if it's supposed to be a statement on the games industry in general (MAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNN), it's still a terrible game.

    'Super Paper Mario'

    I forgot i bought this! I was mistaken in my earlier statement. That's 5 Wii games i own. It was very good but not as good as PM2 on the GC.

    'Zack and Wiki, Fire Emblem'

    Might give these a try.

    Still though that maybe 7 games in nearly two years. I've bought about the same for the PS3 in the past week.

  • Widge #51 3 years ago

    7 games for YOU. Remembering that people don't all think/like the same is the key here. This is why spouting lists in an effort to prove the validity of a platform quickly crumples.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #52 3 years ago

    You know, the Wii doesn't have to be the console with the most games for you to enjoy them. If you only enjoyed 7 games in two years, so what. As long as those games were fun then I don't see where the problem is.

  • varsas #53 3 years ago

    farticusmaximus: There's no way I'd consider buying a single player game on the Wii.

    Zack and Wiki just wouldn't work on any other system.

    @spudsbuckley: As Trauma Centre shows this is more an issue with your taste rather than the lack of quality on the Wii. Perhaps time is needed to adapt to the remote but the far quicker utensils swapping enabled by the nunchuk is fantastic.
    Edited by 1 at 13/01/09 @ 14:01

  • Santino #54 3 years ago

    there is nothing more annoying than a self-proclaimed 'hardcore' gamer. they probably think playing mainstream stuff like gears, halo, cod etc makes them hardcore. come across as some of the most insecure, selfish and close-minded people you could meet.

  • spudsbuckley #55 3 years ago

    What's your definition of hardcore then?

  • Rash' #56 3 years ago

    My definition of hardcore is Ikaruga, chained to perfection.
    Edited by 1 at 13/01/09 @ 14:34

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #57 3 years ago

    So it would be someone who completes SMG with all stars with Mario then Luigi, who had unlocked all courses on Excite Truck and completed them to S ranking and who had found all the heart containers and secrets in Zelda then?

  • Santino #58 3 years ago

    my definition of hardcore?

    cant say i have given it much thought really i dont see gaming that way. I usually just play all kinds of games from a wide variety of different genres and have fun doing so. i spend a stupid amount of money on my hobby, have a pre-order on a £150 arcade stick, own a gaming pc and all the consoles. i would define myself as a gamer.

    i guess if someone deserves the title of harcore gamer it could be someone who has played a specific game so much that they reach a level that very few can reach.

    all i know is that the definition of 'hardcore gamer' being thrown around on message boards every day is completely wrong.

  • spudsbuckley #59 3 years ago

    farticusmaximus is about right in my opinion.

  • Rash' #60 3 years ago

    "i guess if someone deserves the title of harcore gamer it could be someone who has played a specific game so much that they reach a level that very few can reach."

    That's it. Simple. That's what a hardcore gamer is pure and simple. They exist and there's no use pretending they don't just because the idea makes one uncomfortable. There will be plenty that will proclaim their hardcore credentials but that's just another case of dick waving. The proof is in the pudding. I realised a long time ago what hardcore means to me and can accept I don't have what it takes to be that kind of gamer. I'm comfortable with being just a gamer.
    Edited by 2 at 13/01/09 @ 14:58

  • Widge #61 3 years ago

    So we've established that there is a hardcore gamer and a market for the hardcore gamer. Next up we will get to grips with the concept of people who don't actually want the same type of games as those people and the idea that the market for that is pretty large. After that we'll also come around to thinking that perhaps, just perhaps that both can exist and both are 'right'.

  • Santino #62 3 years ago

    prince of persia got dumbed down because ubisoft are poor at coming up with compelling gameplay experiences, if anything blame the impressive sales of ass creed on the so called 'hardcore gamer' consoles for what happened with PoP.

    actually, i hope you are talking about old school 2d prince of persia when u say hardcore as well. not the last gen games such as sands of time, is that not where you would walk into a room and get shown a 'flash forward' of what you had to do, or just rewind time when you die? all of this was before anybody had even swung a tennis racket in Wii sports.

    and also, casual games have always been huge, it isn't a new thing that started this generation.
    Edited by 1 at 13/01/09 @ 15:22

  • spudsbuckley #63 3 years ago

    @farticus

    Precisely. Last week, Wii Sports became the best selling game of all time. Sort of a misleading stat because of it's inclusion with every Wii console i guess but look at the stock shortages that Wii Fit experienced.

    It was also reported last week that both Tomb Raider:Underworld and MGS4 had sold pretty abysmally.

    The casual market are the ones buy the Wii and Wii Fit. The gamers are the ones buying TR:U and MGS4. Who do you think the devs are going to develop the majority of their big budget games for with stats like this becoming increasingly prevalent?
    Edited by 1 at 13/01/09 @ 15:23

  • Santino #64 3 years ago

    i didn't buy MGS4 as i was put off the series after MGS2 (loved MGS1) and honestly as a gamer and reading about the game the game/gameplay ratio just didn't sound like what I am after, it is for some fair enough. but those MGS4 sales are not bad for the kind of interactive experience that it is so don't panic, they will probably make another.

    in the case of tomb raider i guess it is more to do with the series becoming less relevant and people losing faith after a lot of bad games.

    why don't you look at sales success stories like cod, gears, gta4 and think again about those kind of games being replaced?

  • spudsbuckley #65 3 years ago

    This is what worries me.

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #66 3 years ago

    You are both being paranoid. There's a lot of money to be made of gamers who like a challenge or a deep experience. Look at the sales on WoW for instance. This is the reason why every film isn't a Pirates Of The Caribbean movie, every book isn't a Jordan biography and every album isn't from an X Factor contestant.

    There are developers on ALL platforms creating interesting and exciting stuff.

  • JeroenZM #67 3 years ago

    I know a lot of people (including myself) who mostly play the Wii for the wide array of Virtual console and Wiiware titles. You can play titles from Turbografx-16, Neo Geo, Commodore 64, you have releases like World of Goo. If that doesn't make it a system that pleases 'hardcore gamers' then I don't know what does.

  • spudsbuckley #68 3 years ago

    I can play those games for free on a PC.

  • Santino #69 3 years ago

    what is the problem? mario kart is a fun game enjoyed by loads of people so prob deserves to be the best selling game. loads of people bought gta4 as well. Fifa and CoD did very well also and they are games that are released on a yearly basis.

  • varsas #70 3 years ago

    farticusmaximus
    13-Jan-09 14:15:13

    "Zack and Wiki just wouldn't work on any other system."

    I take it you didnt see the flash version of the ice key scenario then?

    I wasn't referring to porting of the game; instead I meant that of the 3 consoles available, besides the lack of appropriate pointer device, the game just fits the Wii. Additionally using a pointer alone also takes some of the fun out of playing the game.

  • varsas #71 3 years ago

    spudsbuckley
    13-Jan-09 15:41:50

    I can illegally play those games on a PC.

    Fixed ;)

    On a more serious note most people don't have their PC connected to their TV so for example playing "Secret of Mana" co-operatively isn't the same.

  • spudsbuckley #72 3 years ago

    But your CODs and GTAs cost a lot to make whereas the majority of Wii and DS stuff costs peanuts to develop and has a massive return on investment.

    Dev's and publishers are in the business of making money so this fact won't escape them for long. FIFA is never going to die though :D

  • Rash' #73 3 years ago

    [link url=http:// www.gametrailers.com/player/26654.html
    ]http://ww w.gametrailers.com/player/26654...[/link]

    Another definition of hardcore: 0.40 sec in. The speech bubble says it all really. Anyone know where I can get the whole of the fight from?

  • Rash' #74 3 years ago

    spudsbuckley, Do you think Treasure sit in their offices thinking about the next big money making game? No. They make the games they like. I know it can be a cynical business, but the games market is big enough to cater to all sorts of tastes. Your fears are premature. Take a chill pill.

  • Santino #75 3 years ago

    @ Rash

    [link url=http://uk.y outube.com/watch?v=pS5peqApgUA
    ]http://uk.y outube.com/watch?v=pS5peqApgUA
    [/link]

    not the best quality but still, awesome comeback, it looks all over midway through the round

  • spudsbuckley #76 3 years ago

    'spudsbuckley, Do you think Treasure sit in their offices thinking about the next big money making game? No. They make the games they like.'

    Bullshit. Game's companies exist to make money.

    If they did it just for the love of making games then why not give them away instead of selling them?

  • Rash' #77 3 years ago

    spudsbuckley, Well, duh! Of course! The point was; do you think they will suddenly abandon the gaming they are renowned and loved for because, oh, there's more money else where? No. As someone else said you're being paraniod.

    Santino, Nice one! Thanks. It is such a brilliant clip.

  • Chalee #78 3 years ago

    Okami, the best game ever made, is best played on wii. End of argument. Forver.

  • spudsbuckley #79 3 years ago

    'do you think they will suddenly abandon the gaming they are renowned and loved for because, oh, there's more money else where?'

    Yes. They're a business, renown and love means nothing to them. They exist to make money.

  • Chalee #80 3 years ago

    Relax both of you, it's probably a bit of both. Everyone likes money, but love and adulation are good as well :D

  • Santino #81 3 years ago

    yeah i wish they were making something like Sin & Punishment 2...

  • IronCladChicken #82 3 years ago

    There are a LOT of real hardcore games on the Wii that pass kiddie/teenage gamers by - take 'Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon' for example - Which is a rogue game (with friendly graphics) - Anything more hardcore than a rogue title for the 360/PS3?

  • IneptPercy #83 3 years ago

    The problem is if they others (Sony/Microsoft) follow the example of why push boundries and sell at a loss when you just use your last effort with a waggle stick and make a profit.

    Progress would stop.

  • varsas #84 3 years ago

    "Adding Waggle" only works up to a point in terms of sales; to continue to sell well a franchise needs to develop and improve.

  • robson_wii #85 3 years ago

    Not all Wii games have waggle and not all games use the console as it was designed. Some games are abominations as was to be expected but the more inventive games have generally been overlooked by the public probably down to perception of what they think games are or should be.
    Wii also has the strange demographic where parents buy it for the family but the kids (or teenagers) aren't into family friendly fun and want blood, guts and violence (some things never change) so it is not seen as a console for teenagers or people who just want violent games.
    I'm enjoying some good/great games on Wii and PC at the moment so I'm happy. I expect the Wii will have some very good titles this year and I hope it's perception will alter gradually.

  • m0thr4 #86 3 years ago

    Wii is the the most popular games console... The Sun is the most popular newspaper... reality shows top the TV ratings...

    There's a connection here, I'm sure.

  • JeroenZM #87 3 years ago

    If being hardcore means you have to debate endlessly whether the PS3 or the 360 is the best console, then I'll pass.

  • BonzoBanana #88 3 years ago

    I've been a longtime fan of Nintendo starting with the Nes and then a super nintendo. I was late getting both of those but got a N64 and Gamecube fairly quickly after launch. I looked at what the wii was offering and decided against buying one as it amazingly didn't appeal to me. I didn't really want an underpowered low resolution console even if it did have a new controller. I tried a wii a few times in shops but just couldn't justify the money. So many wii owners are honest enough to admit the games are generally poor and the console is underused. Even shop assistants honestly admit how poor wii graphics are and yet the console sells massively. Although people go on about the hardcore, casual gamer divide I wonder if its really a singler player, multiplayer experience thing. I'm much more into the single player experience. I love first person shooters but not where you just run about shooting other human opponents in a small area. I'm more into the challenge set by level design against computer opponents and working through a story like Half Life. Hats off to Nintendo they can sell such dated technology at such inflated prices though.

  • secombe #89 3 years ago

    There is also the other "argument" in favour of the Wii that hasn't been mentioned this time around (we normally get drowned out anyhow)

    That would be the "used to be a 'hardcore' gamer but now have a family/mortgage/whatever"

    I know plenty of people around my age (27-30) who grew up with their Atari 2600s, Master Systems, NES, Mega Drives, SNES etc and were seriously into their gaming, plunging hours and hours of those wonderfully easy going school days into games. Fast forward and we have families, other priorities etc, but still want fun gaming experiences, just in smaller doses (because that's all they have time for now), the Wii caters for that market beautifully. It offers loads of 'traditional' gaming experiences, which ironically are now overlooked as 'casual' by the new guard of hardcore gamers (I'm generalising here)

    Some people, for example, wonder how the hell I managed to spend months playing Wii Play, as the vast majority have dismissed it as a free disc bundled with a remote. Tanks!, for example, transported me back 15 years (in a good way) the moment I picked it up, above all, it's fun.
    Edited by 2 at 14/01/09 @ 07:57

  • Daryoon #90 3 years ago

    This "hardcore" "real gamers" "casuals" bollocks has almost totally put me off games.

    I'm quite happy playing Harvest Moon with the woman, and delving into retro/PS2 games. I go round my mates and all they ever play are FPS (mainly Halo 3), and frankly it bores me to death - especially since they take it all so seriously.

  • Daryoon #91 3 years ago

    Terminology? It's the attitude, silly. I can't relate to most gamers these days because I don't exclusively play the most dazzling graphics-fest with the realistic bullet-physics, or whatever. Similarly, they don't understand how I could possibly sit and play a game where I milk cows, or a game with a 16-colour palette. It's an attitude I get/see everywhere.

    I do, however, find it funny that you can be called into question because you like to play games from the 80s/90s. If you prefer to play Pac-Man over Call of Duty. Hilarious because the blokey blokes who spend thousands on the latest equipment will think you're GAY, when in fact Pac-Man has got me into more conversations with girls than masquerading about a 50" HDTV and massive gamer score XD

    But yes, it's the casual/hardcore attitude to gaming that puts me off it. What happened to just having fun? It's all such serious business now...

  • secombe #92 3 years ago

    Terminology? It's the attitude, silly. I can't relate to most gamers these days because I don't exclusively play the most dazzling graphics-fest with the realistic bullet-physics, or whatever,

    Does that matter though? I still read and contribute here because I'm interested in gaming generally, but as far as actual playing goes, I seem to be the opposite of 99% of people here (and firmly in the minority of people who enjoy playing the Wii)

    I couldn't give a darn what the mainstream is doing, just buy what you enjoy and forget about everything else...and there is plenty out there worth playing, especially with WiiWare, XBLM etc etc. I've spent weeks and weeks playing the likes of Tanks! on Wii Play, according to most here I'm in the "casual who is ruining gaming" category, but it doesn't matter as long as I'm having fun.
    Edited by 1 at 14/01/09 @ 18:01

  • Roddy100 #93 3 years ago

    What's with these debates on console sales? Is everyone just hoping that THEIR favourite console comes out on top? Do they want all the other consoles to die a lonely death?

    I would like ALL these consoles to sell well as it keeps the games industry interesting and provides more choice for the gamers. Why can't there be room on the games shelves for both casual and harcore games?