Wii: 2007's Most Wanted

By Simon Parkin Published 10 August, 2007

Something for the Wii-kend?

Of all Nintendo's various achievements, surely its most consistent is in simultaneously pissing off and delighting its faithful European customers. For twenty-five years the company has wowed us with innovative technology and wonderfully robust and inventive games, filling reservoirs of consumer goodwill in a way few other multinationals manage. In tension with this, interminable localisation delays, sloppy, bordered conversions and,- most heart-breakingly - an ever-slim line-up of releases has made it clear that Europe is literally the least of the Japanese company's global concerns.

Never has the conflict been so obvious as it is with Wii in 2007. On the one hand the decision to bypass the HD race and instead invest in new ways to allow people to interact with their televisions is cause for celebration. But the months of waiting for titles like Paper Mario or Trauma Centre to make it from America to the UK is simply unacceptable at a time when simultaneous worldwide releases are commonplace on other systems.

Most Wanted lists like those featured in this series bring out the worst in a readership (as 300-odd furious comments in our previous two articles demonstrate with car-crash appeal). For many gamers who own just one of the three main players, defending their chosen machine is not just about fighting for its honour but also about justifying their own wisdom as a consumer. Gamers who have eschewed Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 for a Wii may well fight with similar (also pointless) vigour, but with so few games in the Wii's catalogue, they certainly have a lot less ammunition. Newfound gaming grannies and mainstream press column inches don't pack quite the same punch as a Halo 3 or Metal Gear Solid 4 in the playground debates.

Still, few players, deep down, really want Wii to fail. Its approach is - as with so much of Nintendo's output - brave and refreshing and alternatives and competition are always a good thing. But European gamers rightly feel trodden upon by Nintendo Europe's leisurely approach to releases, and whatever the internal politics or reasons for this, the frustrated consumer should always remain right.

Who knows whether the following games will make it out this year? In the battle between our anticipation and our impatience towards Nintendo, it's imperative that not only the majority of these games appear before Christmas, but also that they exceed their ever-dating promises. Anything less and core gamers (a demographic Nintendo effectively created) might leave and never come back - albeit with a DS tucked snugly in their back pocket.

Super Mario Galaxy

In some ways it's the only release here that really matters. Wii Zelda has been, gone and, on reflection, disappointed a little bit. But Super Mario is to videogames what no single film could be described as being to film. It's a name and face and style and pace totally synonymous with the medium and for good reason. The company's flagship series defined the lines of risk and reward that almost every videogame has traced since.

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Each new iteration's innovations have shunted games forward with a force few others have managed. If Miyamoto's game follows in the footsteps of its forbears it will demonstrate where the limits of the hardware stand and how best to break them. Wii devotees pray this will be the game to realise the Wiimote's weighty potential in ways that other titles have only alluded to.

Platform games might not be the most important videogame genre any more, but the core Super Mario series has increasingly flown high above such clumsy distinctions. If all goes to plan, this will be a masterclass for all developers and genres to watch keenly. That all-important third word in the title is telling. 64 and Sunshine be damned, it's time to leap from Super Mario World into the Super Mario Galaxy, a titular boast that must be fully met to cement Wii's reputation as something more than a jumped-up Eye-Toy machine amongst dedicated gamers.

Super Paper Mario

Over five months on from its American release, Nintendo's platform-RPG has lost little of its appealing hype. The hybrid 2D/3D game mechanics - whereby environments can be popped into and out of 3D to solve puzzles - bring to mind SEGA's recent PSP triumph Crush. But, unlike that game's brooding visuals, Nintendo's bright palette and story will likely convince a far wider audience of the idea's merits.

The Paper Mario games have, in many ways, revealed that there's another, more appealing and accessible way to explore the Japanese RPG (and remember that the first title, Super Mario RPG, was in fact designed by Squaresoft themselves). Indeed, despite the Fisher Price looks and sheen, these have been some of the very best examples of the genre, perhaps because they adhere to scant few of its aged rules. If Super Paper Mario can continue the graceful and enjoyable arc started by its GameCube forbear, it will be have been a worthwhile wait.

Metroid Prime: Corruption

Where Konami has routinely struggled to make sense of Castlevania's beautiful 2D gameplay in a 3D world, US-based Retro Studios has been more successful with Metroid's transition. While the previous two games divided fans, on the whole they were enjoyable first-person adventuring titles that wisely placed more emphasis on exploration than on frantic shooting. Despite being set shortly after the events of the GameCube's Metroid Prime: Echoes, this third titles looks to have shifted the focus of gameplay onto first-person shooting, to the delight or horror of watching gamers.

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In part this is thanks to a new control scheme that should prove faster and slicker than on the Cube. The Wiimote pointer will aim Samus' arm cannon while the nunchuck will control the grappling beam allowing for a faster pace and, according to the developer, gentler difficulty. Undoubtedly the game will still showcase the non-linearity (or at least the illusion of non-linearity) that has marked the series to date, but whether the shift in mechanical emphasis adds to or subtracts from its fanbase remains to be seen.

Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure

Aside from its recent brush with jihad, Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure is coming in to what looks to be a successful landing. One of the few exclusive, third party, new IPs for the Wii, Kristan described it earlier in the year as 'a title of immense quality'.

'Wii: 2007's Most Wanted' Screenshot wiki

The eponymous Zack and Wiki are on a quest to resuscitate deceased pirate Barbaros by piecing back together his scattered body parts in order to then steal his treasure. As a third-person action-adventure one of the most exciting elements to the game is its apparently varied and inventive use of the Wiimote. Context-sensitive actions within barmy scenarios promise to keep the action fresh and engaging as you work through a series of self-contained missions.

The game's puzzles appear to be logical and sensible, which should in turn lead to this being a satisfying experience. Despite the loss of Clover Studios, with Zack and Wiki Capcom demonstrates its continued dedication to innovative and different videogames, and it's perhaps only natural that their most adventurous work looks to be hosted on Nintendo's hardware.

Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn

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Intelligent System's Fire Emblem series is basically an Advance Wars costume drama for obsessive-compulsive nerds with a saviour-complex. Unlike the company's other strategy series, lost units (who here are characters with names and eyes and stories) are lost forever, cut from the plot and team leaving a gaping void where their skills and dialogue once played out. Many are the players who've never made it through to the end of a Fire Emblem game for want of a mean streak.

Goddess of Dawn seems to be a logical evolution to the previous game in the series, the GameCube's excellent Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. There are scant few innovations here but for many fans of the series, consistency is all that's required. 42 characters return from the previous game with an addition 30 new ones populating the game's 45 chapters. For players unable to move on from a battle in which a comrade fell, this might be videogaming's greatest challenge yet.

Forever Blue

If the BBC's Blue Planet failed to convince, Namco's enjoyable PlayStation title Treasures of the Deep opened gamers' eyes to what an ideal setting realistic, underwater worlds make for a videogame. Forever Blue, the first scuba-'em-up for some time, plunges players into the deep and beautiful oceanic universe of the fictional Manaurai Sea. Controlled exclusively by the Wii Remote, players point an on-screen cursor to guide a diver through shoals of fish in a search for rare sea-life and of course, sunken treasures.

New Zealand soprano Hayley Westenra provides a lilting soundtrack to accompany what looks to be an experience rich with beauty and danger (in the form of sharks, rays and whales), although MP3 support over an SD card will allow players to swim to Sepultura should they be so inclined.

NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams

The original Nights game, released in 1997 for SEGA's Saturn, received a flurry of abuse for simply not being Sonic enough. Fans looking to justify their platform's dominance over upstart PlayStation wanted another Green Hill zone, all point-making speed and fury. But Nights' purple-y, dreamlike world of flight and magic was something altogether different. For better or worse, opposite expectations exist today. A slew of sub-par orthodox Sonic titles combined with Nights' retrospective acclaim amongst cognoscenti has expectations acutely raised for this unexpected sequel.

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That this game should find its home on Wii is only natural - this world with that interface is a match too perfect to be passed on. The androgynous jester will be controlled with the remote, with or without an analogue stick as you glide gracefully through the inimitable world of Nigthtopia. Naofumi Hataya is involved as musical director, a wise decision as the original's music was both haunting and excellent. The game will integrate with the Wii's Weather Channel - presumably whereby weather conditions in the game mirror those outside your window (an evolution to the original game's use of the internal clock to change level themes). Masks alter your abilities, and there will be a breeding element to the game, but all these additions will be for naught if Sonic Team cannot keep the game's delicate soul safe and unaltered beneath these surface alterations.

Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles

With Masachika Kawata producing (the man behind the PS2 version of Resident Evil 4) and numerous members of now defunct Clover Studios (the team behind Viewtiful Joe and Okami) on board for this Wii exclusive, expectations are high. The last Resident Evil game to debut on a Nintendo console proved to be one of the very best titles not only in the series but also in the videogames canon, but whether such a dramatic success can be recreated with an on-rails shooter seems unlikely.

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Compatible with the forthcoming Wii Zapper peripheral and taking in classic locations from Racoon City, the game promises (along with every other Wii iteration of a well-loved franchise) to combine series traits with the system's revolutionary control system. So expect green herbs for regenerating your health and shotguns for depleting theirs. Whether the game can successfully manoeuvre itself off the on-rails path its chosen genre encourages is unknown, but failure to do so might brand the game as little more than a House of the Dead also-ran.

Pokémon Battle Revolution

This is a game of firsts: the first Pokémon title for the Wii; the first Wii title to use the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection in America and Japan and the first Wii game to wirelessly interact with the DS. Still, for players sick of Nintendo's Gotta Flog 'Em All approach to the franchise, it's possibly the last title on their Most Wanted lists. Set in a theme park called Pokétopia the game has you battling your way through eleven coliseum's worth of opponents

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Rare Pokémon can be won in the game and transferred back to the recent DS titles, widening its appeal to those currently besotted with their handheld breeding programmes. Trainers can be customised and, along with six Pokémon, taken online to do battle either against friends or random opponents.

Despite these fan-pleasing features the game appears to have dropped some of the elements that made previous titles in the Stadium/ Coliseum series popular (e.g. the RPG mode). For players without an all-important DS and a copy of Diamond or Pearl, these reduced features appear all the more ungenerous.

Mario & Sonic At the Olympic Games

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Is there any event more suited to bringing two rival mascots together for the first time than the Olympic Games? The sheen of global unity and understanding bombastically masks any fierce competition. Still, Mario and Sonic might be on a poster for the first time ever, but all rivalry remains intact - at least in the minds of their fans. Despite the companies having been working together for some time, it is jarring to see their iconic characters sharing the same space and it's unclear if the pairing will fit well together.

But then who better to make it all work out than Miyamoto himself who's overseeing the implementation of a slew of different Olympic sports supposedly including Judo, Table Tennis, and Swimming through to the usual line-up of track and field events. Still, one wonders quite how the traditional furious button mashing of athletic-themed games will translate to the Wiimote. Perhaps pasty-faced gamers will end up with some beefed up forearms by the end of the summer after all.

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About Simon Parkin

Simon Parkin is an author and journalist on video games. A regular contributor to Eurogamer since 2005, his work has also appeared in Edge, The Telegraph, Gamasutra and Boing Boing.

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  • Kami #1 5 years ago

    "something for the Wii-kend"

    ... make the bad puns stop mommy...

  • aldo_14 #2 5 years ago

    A little short on stuff for me, to be honest, although Mario Galaxy and Metroid should probably last me for years anyways. I'm quite looking forward to Forever Blue, though, for some odd reason. Probably because it's easier than cleaning out an aquarium....

    EDIT; mmm, also want Lego Star Wars, as I've been avoiding the 'current' set of games until the complete set is out.
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 14:31

  • Kami #3 5 years ago

    Plenty here that would keep me occupied though. NiGHTS... was there on the Saturn, so there's a no-brainer. Resident Evil.. please. Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario and Metroid Prime 3 - really shouldn't disappoint. Then you have Fire Emblem...

    Definitely won't get through that kind of list in a hurry.

  • Dizzy #4 5 years ago

    Some good stuff in there. Not sure about Mario and Sonic at Olympics. :)

  • afghan_jones #5 5 years ago

    Cry havoc, and let slip the trolls of war....

  • UncleLou #6 5 years ago

    Zack & Wiki is by far my most wanted Wii game, followed by Fire Emblem.

    Mario and Metroid can jump in the lake. ;)

  • SeesThroughAll #7 5 years ago

    As an old SEGA fanboy, I'm certainly not happy with this promiscuity between Sonic and Mario.

  • Wayne #8 5 years ago

    Mario Galaxy is DEF coming in 2007?

    I still need convincing.

  • Darren #9 5 years ago

    How can NiGHTS release date be Winter 2007? That was the period from 22nd December 2006 to 21st March 2007, i.e. the first quarter of this year and it's long gone. Unless the game is being released between 23rd and 31st December 2007, shouldn't it read "Winter 2008"? ;)

  • UncleLou #10 5 years ago

    How can NiGHTS release date be Winter 2007? That was the period from 22nd December 2006 to 21st March 2007, i.e. it's long gone. Unless the game is being released between 23rd and 31st December 2007, shouldn't it read "Winter 2008"? ;)


    Um, what? Winter 2007 has (fortunately) not begun yet, if you ask me. :)

  • afghan_jones #11 5 years ago

    Most wanted they may be, but I seriously doubt more than half of those games will actually make 2007.

  • Matsuo #12 5 years ago

    Hm, quite a lot of must-buy games in this list. Galaxy, SPM and MP3 are a given.
    Zack & Wiki is getting a lot of positive buzz, so i've got my eyes on it. The other Capcom game in this list is also a one to keep an eye on: RE:UC. Im sure everybody was disappointed by the fact this is a light-gun styled game and not anything like RE4. Sad, but this will make it do, as this game fuses new life in the genre. And it's looking very promising too. Can't wait.
    Im intrigued by Forever Blue, I've already decided im gonna get a taste of it. No matter how its reviews turn out to be.

    The surprise of this list is Fire Emblem. Will we really get a release this year? For sure? I know the US will have it, but will we? If true, it's my most wanted game of the year, beating out aforementioned titles. Im such a nut for Fire Emblem titles :D
    Recently just finished Path of Radiance on the good ol' Cube. Such a wonderful experience...
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 14:07

  • Arcadiian #13 5 years ago

    NiGHTS and the Olympics thingy please.

    Sonic best be able to piss all over Mario during the 100m though, or i'm taking it back.

  • GrandpaUlrira #14 5 years ago

    Will there be one of these for the DS? Because, honestly, I'm finding it very hard to get excited for many titles on the 'next-gen' consoles.

  • Sid-Nice #15 5 years ago

    There is nothing here that warrants a purchase; the Xbox 360 is the console for gamers.
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 14:10

  • pervertron #16 5 years ago

    Battalion Wars 2 .....

  • mostly_harmless #17 5 years ago

    Are people no longer looking forward to Battalion Wars II then?

  • mostly_harmless #18 5 years ago

    Wow! Talk about great minds and all that! Just 2 seconds apart!

  • BrokenSymmetry #19 5 years ago

    Is there a new Tales game planned for the Wii? Tales of Symhonia has been my favorite Gamecube game.

  • Nova5lag #20 5 years ago

    Metroid 3 is going to be even more difficult!? I was sh*t at the first 2!!! Bugger.

  • hazmat #21 5 years ago

    What, no No More Heroes?

  • RedPanda #22 5 years ago

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  • rudedudejude #23 5 years ago

    Wii Fit man!

  • GingerNathan #24 5 years ago

    "Most wanted they may be, but I seriously doubt more than half of those games will actually make 2007.
    "
    You reckon?, I can only see three in that list (including the runner ups) which we certainly won't get this year - SSB Brawl, Disaster, and Fire Emblem. The rest we will.

    Metroid Prime 3 has been dated in Europe by the way, end of October (26th Oct according to Nintendo), so you might want to update that.

    *edit* "What, no No More Heroes? "
    That definitely won't be 2007.
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 14:23

  • mattigan #25 5 years ago

    The only one that look remotely interesting to me are SMG and Metroid, but still not interesting enough to shell out for a Wii (yet).

    On another note, played Resi4 on a friends Wii+SDTV at the weekend, and maybe I've been spoiled by my 360+HDTV, but the graphics were absolutely shocking, is this the best the Wii can do (currently)?

  • JediMasterMalik #26 5 years ago

    Only Mario, MP, and ZW make my interesting list.

  • Razzajazz #27 5 years ago

    @ mattigan

    Resi4 looks much, much better if you use a component cable with the Wii. But yeah, hi-def does make the Wii look budget sometimes.

  • imamazed #28 5 years ago

    Pretty good line-up. But how can EG be looking forward to Pokemon Battle Revolution and Forever Blue more than Super Smash Brothers Brawl and Batallion Wars 2?

    Anyway, it actually looks an interesting line-up, and probably very enjoyable. To be honest, it's a lot more exciting and fresh than the XBOX360 line-up, and I've heard there'll be a couple games for PS3 by next year too.

    This wii line up may prove to not have the quality of the 360 line up, but I'm much more excited to find out how a lot of the games even play.

  • Killerbee #29 5 years ago

    Mario Galaxy, Paper Mario and Metroid are all definite purchases for me.

    The rest I'll be waiting for the reviews to come in, but there's enough there to keep me pretty happy I reckon. I'm certainly not feeling the need to rush out and buy a PS3 any time soon.

  • Daikon #30 5 years ago

    Definitely all must buy upcoming titles.

    I tried to make a similar most wanted list for the PS3, but didn't get any further than Metal Gear 4...

  • hp_on_toast #31 5 years ago

    I can't believe how many people are looking forward to RE:UC.

    Has everyone forgotten about Capcom's previous RE Light Gun Games (and don't even mention the Dino Crisis one)?

  • penhalion #32 5 years ago

    Er the release date for metroid is on the nintendo europe site as 26th October by the way.

  • PatrickEwing #33 5 years ago

    very underwhelming list for me unfortunately, i've been keeping my Wii since launch in the hope of more appealing games, but I find it just not quite as exciting as call of duty 4, GTA4, Halo3, PES08, Stranglehold, Ace Combat 4 and such like.

  • Pooley #34 5 years ago

    Weirdly, of the current three consoles I have, it's the games coming out for the Wii that I'm most interested in. Mind you, it's about time I bought a game for it, as I bought three games at launch and haven't purchased anything since.

    Galaxy, Metroid and Brawl are the main ones, Paper Mario as well I suppose. I'm also looking forward to replaying some of the previous Metroid games on VC (I've read elsewhere that Nintendo will be releasing the VC games to coincide with the release of Corruption).

    No news about Animal Crossing Wii yet then?

  • Eighthours #35 5 years ago

    Pretty good line-up. But how can EG be looking forward to Pokemon Battle Revolution and Forever Blue more than Super Smash Brothers Brawl and Batallion Wars 2?

    Brawl is definitely 2008 here.

    As for BW2, it's meant to be out in November but we haven't exactly been inundated with previews. I'm a bit worried about that one.

  • Killerbee #36 5 years ago

    Mind you, it's about time I bought a game for it, as I bought three games at launch and haven't purchased anything since.

    You should definitely get Excite Truck and Mercury - both brilliant. But yeah, apart from those two, I haven't bought anything for it since launch, either. :/

  • Rirekon #37 5 years ago

    For the love of all that is holy, Soul Calibur Legends > Mario & Sonic At the Olympic Games surely!

  • andromeda #38 5 years ago

    METROID > GOD

  • dudefella #39 5 years ago

    Brawl only a runner up? Zack and fucking wiki?

    Whatever you're smoking EG, I'll have 2

  • joeking #40 5 years ago

    So much Mario, so little time.

  • Daymare #41 5 years ago

    Wow, it sure feels good to be a gamer this year (hope I won't be dissapointed at the end of December!).. I don't envy journos who'll have to decide which game will be GOTY 2007! They'll get stoned either way:)

  • MrGilder #42 5 years ago

    The only must buy for me is Mario - Galaxy that is..
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 15:21

  • imamazed #43 5 years ago

    @ Eighthours (Brawl is definitely 2008 here. )

    Then why is it a runner up in the list?

  • JetSetWilly #44 5 years ago

    If Fire Emblem makes 2007 in Europe I will happily eat my hat.

  • miiiguel #45 5 years ago

    Sometimes I have this urge to buy a Wii, but what about Achievements? I can't play a video-game without XXI century ludic-wonder - Achievements.

  • groovychainsaw #46 5 years ago

    Hmmm - as I'm limiting myself to one (brand new!) game a month, I plan on bioshock, halo 3 and then mass effect. Never liked metroid prime that much (prefer 2d!) but I'll admit, mario galaxy looks... interesting. I have no idea what it will actually be like (worst nightmare- very gimmicky spinning/monkey ball style control), but it could be great. Most of the others will not be out this year though, surely?! (nights especially had only just been announced - though they could have been working on it for a while..). Fire emblem could be good, although itll have to work hard to top the disgaea games in my srpg hall of fame. The rest just dont look that appealing to me (maybe im too cynical for zak and wiki now..), and you know you're struggling to fill space when you put in a an olympics title where they've slowed down sonic so he can be easily beaten by mario (apparently osnic has high top speed but low acceleration!! O_o)

  • oerhoert #47 5 years ago

    From the article, about Z&W:
    <em>One of the few exclusive, third party, new IPs for the Wii</em>

    Now this is downright false. Blocks, de Blob, Smarty Pants, Boogie, EA Playground, MySims, the announced Ubi casual catalogue, Z&W, Forever Blue, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Kororinpa, Red Steel, Opoona, Dewy's Adventure, No More Heroes, Cooking Mama, Trauma Center, Eledees, Nitrobike, Sadness, Wing Island...

    Third party support is admittedly slim, but there's no need to exaggerate.
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 15:59

  • AbyssUK #48 5 years ago

    Mario and Sonic at the Olympics more wanted that Smash Brothers ??? Who made this list... and what planet is it from ?

  • symmetry #49 5 years ago

    Hmmm, only want 3 of those...

  • Tiiti #50 5 years ago

    Geometry Wars Galaxies?

  • Eighthours #51 5 years ago

    Then why is it a runner up in the list?

    No idea.

  • mowgli #52 5 years ago

    I see no Wii remote sword game? why!! tis the only reason i bought one!

  • JYM60 #53 5 years ago

    MG and MP3 is good enough, not bothered about the rest. I just hope they make it this year.

  • varsas #54 5 years ago

    I pretty much definitely want all the ones in the main list bar RE:UC (on rails?), Pokemon (unless I have time to buy and play the DS version) and Forever Blue; there really aren't many games on PS3 or 360 that I want more...

  • Azazel #55 5 years ago

    Third time unlucky, perversely bloody
    Doctor I'm ill please pass me the brandy
    Five, six, seven I heard George Foreman say:
    Slow horses loose
    Fast women frighten

  • ManicDrunkMonk #56 5 years ago

    Doesn't look bad. A good bit of variety there, in contrast to the expected high quality but well established list the 360 had.

    Too many games to play this year, and I haven't even bought myself a PS3 yet!

  • Der_tolle_Emil #57 5 years ago

    Looks quite promising - a lot of titles I really look forward too. Especially Fire Emblem. I love Advance Wars and haven't played a Fire Emblem game yet - but I don't have any doubt that it will turn out to be a fantastic game.

    Also wanted to buy Trauma Center today but the local store I went to was either already sold out or did not get any copies yet. Too bad :/

  • varsas #58 5 years ago

    @Der_tolle_Emil: Do you not have a GBA or DS? Pick up the FE game on GC; it's the direct predecessor (in characters and story) to the one coming to Wii.

    I definitely rate FE above AW although it can be frustrating because I hate seeming my units die so I have to restart missions! :p
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 16:45

  • Sid-Nice #59 5 years ago

    I've played Halo on the PC using a Wii-mote and the experience was excellent; I can't wait for Microsoft and Sony to emulate the Wii controller for real next gen gaming with next gen graphics and controls. Sadly Mario games are too kiddie for me and are always the same; totally lacking any innovation.

    The Wii doesn’t need old games like Mario and Sonic; the Wii needs new stuff like GTA IV, Resident Evil 5, Halo 3 and MGS etc. Will Nintendo never learn from their mistakes; the SNES, the N64, the Cube and the original DS all failed. Nintendo have been given a second bite at the cherry with the Wii but I think they’ll blow it and turn out like Sega.

  • oerhoert #60 5 years ago

    <em>Sadly Mario games are too kiddie for me and are always the same; totally lacking any innovation.</em>

    /sigh

  • Hog-lumps #61 5 years ago

    Sid Nice appears to be very anti-nintendo, yet his profile Pic is a picture of Samus (unless I'm mistaken)..... o_O

    \is confused

  • Sid-Nice #62 5 years ago

    Sid Nice appears to be very anti-nintendo, yet his profile Pic is a picture of Samus (unless I'm mistaken)..... o_O

    \is confused

    Just because I'd like to shag Samus; doesn't mean I want to play with her first.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #63 5 years ago

    Varsas: I have a DS actually, I also own a GBA but I bought it for Zelda only (Four Swords on the cube) and I bought Advance Wars 2 with it. Kept me busy until the DS was out :) I don't know how I missed those games really but now I think I am somewhat glad. You know how great it can be to enjoy a game for the very first time.

  • smurphs #64 5 years ago

    'Intelligent System's Fire Emblem series is basically an Advance Wars costume drama for obsessive-compulsive nerds with a saviour-complex'

    ha ha! you nailed me. However, be aware that such judgements usually spring from projection, whereby your own insecurities are ascribed to others in an attempt to protect your ego. Don't worry about it though.

  • Scimarad #65 5 years ago

    "On the one hand the decision to bypass the HD race and instead invest in new ways to allow people to interact with their televisions is cause for celebration"

    That's definitely a matter for some debate...

    I would dearly love to play Super Mario Galaxy but I'm not buying a Wii for that alone. Also, I still think the Wii would look crap on my LCD.

    -edit-

    I should explain that comment was more to do with LCDs and standard definition than through any fault of the Wii...
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 17:28

  • dryden555 #66 5 years ago

    Medtroid Prime was brilliant but the sequel was an utterly disappointing rehash that managed to break some of the best things about the gameplay in the previous game. I'm wary about the next Metroid. The graphics look very previous gen and the release date delays arent good news.

  • lemonfist #67 5 years ago

    So, when's Dewy's Adventure out?

  • Kazzahdrane #68 5 years ago

    Games on this list I will be getting:

    Super Paper Mario - at release
    Metroid Prime 3 - at release
    Mario Galaxy - at release
    Zak and Wiki - ditto

    RE:UC if it reviews well might be fun, especially with co-op.

    Finally glad I bought a Wii, until today (got Trauma Center) I hadn't bought a game for it since WarioWare in January (which I then traded in as the GC version is far superior). The run up to Xmas is going to be Wii-crazy, and a couple of 360 titles to satisfy my graphics-lust.

  • sailesh #69 5 years ago

    Pokemon game is meant to suck balls! And that Olympics tripe doesn't deserve to be on the most wanted list.... pfft.

  • evild_edd #70 5 years ago

    A few decent titles, to my surprise. Metroid isn't my bag TBH (all the inane backtracking gets in the way of the shooting for me - give me Halo/CoD any day!!!); however, Mario looks great (2008?), and Zack & Wiki could be OK... though definiely one to wait on (non-Nintendo mag) reviews.

    The only other ones on the list that interests are NiGHTS & Geometry Wars (though, no doubt, the 360 version's purity will rule in the end!!!). All the rest either look cack (Olympics/Pokemon/RE:UC/Forever Blue) or just are just THE SAME GAMES RELEASED AGAIN AND AGAIN (Fire Emblem/Smash Bros/Paper Mario). Nintendo push the boundaries at times, but do know how to milk a franchise (yes Zelda - I include you here... nothing significantly new since OoT) :p

    Overall, I'd say the 360 has stronger games for 2007, though the Wii maybe has a little more variety. THe PS3 really has nothing IMHO. Apart from Heavenly Sword... which people have given a resounding "meh" to :/

    Edit: Typ0... half asleep today....
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 19:36

  • Dixons #71 5 years ago

    Surprisingly good list. Some decent games there.

  • richardiox #72 5 years ago

    Galaxy and Endless Ocean are definate buys for me, going to wait on reviews for Metroid 3. I've seen all the trailers for it (including the new one released today) and I'm not feeling the setting at all. Looks very Halo and very cold.

  • Sid-Nice #73 5 years ago

    No Sadness on the list? Only a sad list. :(

  • gingerlink #74 5 years ago

    Seriously, what's with all these lists im seeing leaving brawl out of the top running? the only things that could beat brawl are MP3 and galaxy...

    @evild_edd
    you say same games released over and over again, but with smash bros (only one of the three you said I care about anyway, lol), the fact that it'll probabbly have online is a fairly big plus, of course if that's axed for some stupid reason, i'd be perfectly welcome to agree with you...
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 22:06

  • kangarootoo #75 5 years ago

    @Sid Nice

    "the SNES, the N64, the Cube and the original DS all failed"

    How on earth do you categorise failure?

    Is the SNES a failure because people aren't still making games for it? Is the original DS a failure because Nintendo replaced it themselves with a better model?

    The only thing in your list that ended its effective life a touch early is the Cube. Everything else did just fine, some items rather much more than just fine.

  • Decap #76 5 years ago

    Only one word necessary: pathetic

  • Kami #77 5 years ago

    "the SNES, the N64, the Cube and the original DS all failed"

    The SNES failed? Hardly. The 'Cube, perhaps but it still ended up with some of the most critically-acclaimed games of the last generation. Putting the DS in that list is ridiculous, the original DS did just fine (still sold out). And the N64, well, need I remind you sir that that was about the time Nintendo got a hold of Pokemon and milked it for all it was worth? And a system that most polls end up with at least three of its titles in the top ten games of all time. A system that defied alleged limitations by squeezing a two-disc game into one cartridge? Okay, the N64 wasn't cheap I'll grant you, but it was a great system that we owe a lot to now (rumble and analog control for the first time).

    Just ironic the one real Nintendo failure is the one not brought up... Virtual Boy, anyone?

    Just because I'd like to shag Samus; doesn't mean I want to play with her first.

    I'd so love to play with Samus first...
    Edited by 1 at 10/08/07 @ 22:29

  • figaro7 #78 5 years ago

    Impessive list for the rest of 07 if your a nintendo fan and it leaves some killer games coming into PAL regions next year.

    Wii fit
    smash bro brawl
    mario kart
    bat wars 2
    animal crossing
    no more heroes

    i doubt we will see forever blue this year, it would be damn nice to get it in the AU summer though!

  • skybluesam86 #79 5 years ago

    Mario and Sonic at the Olympics more wanted that Smash Brothers ??? Who made this list... and what planet is it from ?

    It's 'Most Wanted 2007'.
    Smash Bros isn't out until next year.

    Mario Galaxy is definitely my most wanted game in quite some time.
    You can keep your GTA's and MGS's. Mario Galaxy has me excited about gaming again.

  • firefly #80 5 years ago

    "For players unable to move on from a battle in which a comrade fell, this might be videogaming's greatest challenge yet."

    True - having played the last 3 Fire Emblem games I've found that aspect a total frustration to deal with. Replaying far too many levels and never quite reaching the end. Personally I can live with the notion of sacrificing characters in order to progress - what I hate is never quite knowing what value a character will have later on or getting handed weaker characters and being seemingly unable to level them up for fear of just getting them killed. At least The Sacred Stones introduced the option to play battles just to level up rather than forcing you straight through the storyline.

  • huxathon #81 5 years ago

    I must commend everybody posting comments on this article for keeping things rational and non fanboyish on the whole. It's good to see people are actually still exited about gaming.

    As for the list: a couple of dubious choices but generally good, although I think they've listed ALL the games coming out so there was always going to be some chaff.

    (Dewy looks surprisingly good, i'll keep my eye on that'un)

  • varsas #82 5 years ago

    @Der_tolle_Emil: Why don't you try out the two Fire Emblem games for GBA too? I only bought the 2nd game in the last few months and they're quite cheap to buy now 2nd hand; they are both excellent. I find it far more engaging than AW but that's what you expect with a proper storyline and I love the animations; although I end up switching them off when I have to repeat or want to quickly get through chapters.

  • Dirtie #83 5 years ago

    "apparently sonic has high top speed but low acceleration!! O_o"

    It's true though, all the sonic games are like that :p

  • Carrybagma #84 5 years ago

    Ah, the Wii. I've got one of them, somewhere. I'll have to remember to look for it tomorrow.

    /tips hat @ Sid Nice

  • L0cky #85 5 years ago

    Best to pre-order Paper Mario, it'll probably get pulled off the shelf the next day for having the word 'retard' in it.

  • Charroux #86 5 years ago

    @Sid Nice

    "The Wii doesn’t need old games like Mario and Sonic; the Wii needs new stuff like GTA IV, Resident Evil 5, Halo 3 and MGS etc."

    Haha nice one. New stuff like GTA *IV*, Resident Evil *5*, Halo *3*, MGS *4*

    Average sequel number: 4 :)

  • AOFanboi #87 5 years ago

    <em>Rayman Raving Rabbids</em>

    Not exclusive, you get that for PS2 and PC as well.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #88 5 years ago

    Varsas: I probably will. I am playing the 3 GBA Castlevanias at the moment though and I expect them to last quite a while. Already played the two DS ones and then there's still Anno 1701, Picross DS and Slitherlink to be completed and Final Fantasy III and IV plus Theme Park DS are in the pile of unplayed games as well. I guess by the time I catch up it may already be released for the Wii :)

    Eventually I will end up with those games because I really love my DS. Playing 20 to 30 minutes in bet before going to sleep is just so much more convenient than playing a home console.

  • richardiox #89 5 years ago

    Nintendo Stars for Wii Points featurelol

    A long time coming. just like their website forum. and Trauma centre. and Paper mario. and Metroid 3 and stable online features.

  • Sid-Nice #90 5 years ago

    I think that you've got something there Charroux, "Average Sequel No 4" is a great name for a game.

  • lemonfist #91 5 years ago

    Intergalactic plumber Mario will kick the shit out of everyone. Except for Dewy. 'Cause he's too cute.

  • stoopidgreg #92 5 years ago

    so res is the only game not for kids... good going nintendo

  • Max_Powers #93 5 years ago

    To many Eurogamer rookies in this thread to notice that Sid Nice is janking their chain.
    Edited by 1 at 11/08/07 @ 13:08

  • Santino #94 5 years ago

    stoopidgregyoustoopid

  • dfunked #95 5 years ago

    "The Wiimote pointer will aim Samus' arm cannon while the nunchuck will control the grappling beam allowing for a faster pace and, according to the developer, gentler difficulty."
    If they wanted to add a "gentler difficulty", why not just add an easy mode for people that are crap at games, and keep the normal/hard modes for the rest of us...
    MP3 is slipping off my radar pretty damn quick, which is surprising considering MP1 is one of my favourite games ever...

  • BuntyHoven #96 5 years ago

    "Wii Zelda has been, gone and, on reflection, disappointed a little bit."

    For lazy people like me, who don't want to trawl the forums, what was disappointing about it?

  • oerhoert #97 5 years ago

    Nothing, really. He's just blabbering.

    Twilight Princess was relatively conventional as far as Zelda games go, and the pacing towards the start could use some quickening up. Apart from some minor pacing issues, however, it's a damn near flawless game, naďve, exciting and charming in all the right ways.

  • afghan_jones #98 5 years ago

    Wii Zelda disappointed because it was a lazy port with tacked on Wiimote controls rather than having proper Wii mote controls.

  • dirigiblebill #99 5 years ago

    Pffffff, throw this to the dogs and bring on the DS list :D

    /preempts troll accusations by punching himself in the head

  • WillTheSecond #100 5 years ago

    I have A LOT of problems with this list:

    1. "Wii Zelda has been, gone and, on reflection, disappointed a little bit." Just don't agree.

    2. "Release Date: TBC" for Metroid Prime 3. Huh? 26th October was confirmed a while back...

    3. "If the BBC's Blue Planet failed to convince..." Pfft.

    4. Pokemon Battle Revolution? Read a few US reviews and you'll know its sh*t.

    5. Rayman Raving Rabbits should not be a runner up.

    6. BWii should CERTAINLY not be a runner up.

    7. Where is Nitrobike? I know it's not been publicized but from the looks of it, it deserves to be.

    8. Disaster: Day of Crisis and Smash Bros. Brawl aren't out this year anyway.

    Overall not a satisfying list. An alternative?

    *Main List.*

    Super Mario Galaxy
    Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
    Battalion Wars 2
    Super Paper Mario
    Forever Blue
    Zack & Wiki
    Nitrobike
    Geometry Wars: Galaxies
    Rayman Raving Rabbits 2
    Lego Star Wars

    *Runners up.*

    NiGHTS
    Umbrella Chronicles
    Mario & Sonic At The Olympic Games
    FIFA 08
    Soul Calibur Legends

    That's not including Trauma Cent[re] which I just got and is very fun.

  • Sebo #101 5 years ago

    The Zelda comment really got my back up. That game was absolutely fantastic.

    Isn't Mario Galaxy supposed to be released October 5, not November 30. That's what the shopping sites are saying

  • Sebo #102 5 years ago

    @afghanjones

    Twilight princess came right in the middle of a generation transitition. You can't call it a lazy port when it was released on Wii first. To suggest the controls were tacked on is harsh. This was essentially a first generation Wii game and although it may not be remembered as perfection (which seems to be the essential requiste for Zelda since Ocarina of Time, which in itself was far from perfect, although light years ahead of everything else at the time, and still comparing favourably to a lot of stuff to date) it was a bloody good 50 hours of entertainment. Only Gears of War was on its level last year.

  • darshannon #103 5 years ago

    "he other Capcom game in this list is also a one to keep an eye on: RE:UC. Im sure everybody was disappointed by the fact this is a light-gun styled game and not anything like RE4.

    I wasn't. I love this stuff, and Wii is perfect for it, because you don't need to buy new peripherals to play.

  • YourMessageHere #104 5 years ago

    I would make some long and involved post about how it was time to retire mario and how nintendo's continuing concentration on him alienates many other potential wii buyers, but what's the point? For some reason 99% of people seem to think that putting mario in a game makes it good. Have fun with that.

  • WillTheSecond #105 5 years ago

    "I wasn't. I love this stuff, and Wii is perfect for it, because you don't need to buy new peripherals to play."

    Hmm... except the Wii Zapper...

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #106 5 years ago

    You don't HAVE to buy the zapper to play it.

  • Sebo #107 5 years ago

    @YourMessageHere

    Who thinks putting Mario in a game makes it good? Don't be patronising.

    I'm sure 99% of Wii gamers know the difference between Mario Galaxy and Mario Party 8.

    There's not a single game I'm looking forward to more than Mario Galaxy this year and I own all three machines

  • Kryon #108 5 years ago

    @Sebo

    "Twilight princess came right in the middle of a generation transitition. You can't call it a lazy port when it was released on Wii first"

    Released on the Wii first for marketing reasons, however we all know the game was designed first and foremost as a GC game. I'd hardly even call it a port, it actually is a Cube game with tacked on controls ( I still think it was a brilliant game but then I got the game for the Cube, I didn't buy a Wii to play GC games, although so far that seems to be all I've had on the thing)

  • novotique #109 5 years ago

    I do not know if this has been mentioned in the comments but it is definitely a contender for one of the most wanted games for the WII in my humble opinion:

    <a href="http://www. rockstargames.com/tabletennis/
    ">http://www. rockstargames.com/tabletennis/
    </a>

    It is coming out in September 2007
    Edited by 2 at 12/08/07 @ 21:02

  • WillTheSecond #110 5 years ago

    "Released on the Wii first for marketing reasons, however we all know the game was designed first and foremost as a GC game. I'd hardly even call it a port, it actually is a Cube game with tacked on controls ( I still think it was a brilliant game but then I got the game for the Cube, I didn't buy a Wii to play GC games, although so far that seems to be all I've had on the thing)"

    So have you played the Wii version? Because if you haven't, well, the pinpoint bow accuracy adds a lot, and the sword play is certainly more fun, if not more 'innovative' with Wii controls. Plus wide screen, always a plus.

    "For some reason 99% of people seem to think that putting mario in a game makes it good. Have fun with that."

    I believe it is not the character, but the graphics and gameplay of Super Mario Galaxy that are getting it acclaim.

    Novotique, good point about Table Tennis.

  • Skywise #111 5 years ago

    @Novotique: I am looking forward to the Tabletennis game a lot too, it seems the most perfect fit for the Wii controls of all games! :-)
    I sure hope it's going to be online without friendcodes. Have you played the 360 version by any chance?

  • Kryon #112 5 years ago

    "So have you played the Wii version?"

    Yes, I've had a go on the Wii version of Zelda and I'm sorry but I don't think the control mechanism enhances play at all, although the archery could be considered a slight plus, the sword play (imo) was just frustrating and a definite minus, so it all kinda levelled out. As for the wide screen issue, this (again imo) was yet another marketing ploy by Ninty (I mean c-mon, like the GC couldn't handle wide screen or something?) It was left out of the Cube version simply to add a little value to the Wii version. Look, I think the Wii-mote is great for 'novelty' games like Wii Sports but I've yet to play a more 'conventional' type of game where the controls have been a bonus or even any good at all, RE4 was the biggest let down of all, Red Steel was a joke etc. As for the buzz word that is "innovation", well it just grates with me to be frank, I want fun from my games, not pseudo innovation, after getting over the "oooh look I can move the lil hand on the screen by pointing at it" factor, I got bored within a few days and have had my Wii boxed in the spare room for the last few months. The worst part is, there is nothing on this 'most wanted' list that excites me either...

  • Der_tolle_Emil #113 5 years ago

    I don't see how the Zelda Wii controls could be tacked on. They don't require you to use the Wiimote for things that simply don't make sense (although you could argue about the use of it to wield your sword). But using the Bow etc. with the Wiimote is definetly not tacked on but exactly what the Wiimote should be used for. Tacked on control would be whipping Epona with the Wiimote and that would be it. It really doesn't seemed forced onto the game so I have no idea how it could be tacked on. On another note, what else should there be in Zelda that the Wiimote could be used for?

    Widescreen is a fair point too because the PAL cube does not output 480p so there's no real widescreen. You can only stretch the image.

  • Sebo #114 5 years ago

    @kyron

    It started life as a gamecube project, we all know that, but it spent over an year being developed as a Wii game.

    I didn't buy my Wii to play GameCube games either, I bought it for a control scheme that has not been done on any other system and feels innovative, fresh and more natural than anything that has gone before.

    Your whole argument about it being a Gamecube game is ridiculous. How many 360 and PS3 titles are simply PS2 or original Xbox games with better graphics.

    It's clear some people are just too stuck in their ways.....

  • afghan_jones #115 5 years ago

    "Your whole argument about it being a Gamecube game is ridiculous. How many 360 and PS3 titles are simply PS2 or original Xbox games with better graphics."

    Its not ridiculous in the least.

    Zelda was developed as a GC title then held back from release whilst the Wiimote controls were added in. People have said it was disappointing as a Wii title because it wasnt really built for the Wii. if they had built it from scratch with the express intention of it being for the wii only then the controls would probably have been more fully integrated and the whole game would have felt more at home on the wii.

    I dont think using PS2-PS3 or xbox-xbox360 ports as a counter is helpful. No one is suggesting that ports on the other two platforms are any more valuable or in some way more important than GC-Wii ports.

    The fact is that if Zelda had been developed as Wii title not a cube title it would have been very different. It was tweaked to fit the Wii as a stopgap title to offer something other than mini games to Wii owners.

  • Kryon #116 5 years ago

    "Your whole argument about it being a Gamecube game is ridiculous."

    THE GAME WAS DESIGNED FOR THE FRICKIN CUBE MAN!

    I honestly don't see how that can be disputed or called "ridiculous" as it is the f***ing gospel truth. The Wii version only came about as Nintendo realised they had F-all else to release the console with.

    "How many 360 and PS3 titles are simply PS2 or original Xbox games with better graphics."

    Erm, The Wii version of Zelda doesn't have better graphics, it just works with a different game pad...


    Edit- Thank god, afghan_jones seems to get it!
    Edited by 2 at 13/08/07 @ 09:39

  • Sebo #117 5 years ago

    Clearly you pair don't get "it".

    It is ridiculous. Just because it started its development life as a Gamecube game does not mean it was designed solely as a gamecube game. A year of it's development was as a Wii title!!!!! Zelda on Wii is not Zelda on Gamecube - absolute fact!!!!!!

    Many games start out as projects for one system and then are held back for the following system so that they can be improved. I think Mario Sunshine falls into the same category. It was started in the N64 days, but no one refers to it as an N64 game....

    And Kryon, your last point, you completely miscomprehended what I was saying. Read that sentence again, where does it say Zelda has better graphics on the Wii?? What I was stating is that there a lot of games on the current consoles which have just migrated over from the last gen without very much having been done to them. It's a bit unfair to single out Zelda when we could say the same about the 360's Pro Evo, Smackdown, Perfect Dark. It's generation transistion - good games are always good games and that's what I'm stating about Zelda.

  • afghan_jones #118 5 years ago

    @Sebo

    Not sure this is even worth responding to but I will because I am a argumentative child.

    "It is ridiculous. Just because it started its development life as a Gamecube game does not mean it was designed solely as a gamecube game. A year of it's development was as a Wii title!!!!! Zelda on Wii is not Zelda on Gamecube - absolute fact!!!!!!"

    - It is still a title designed principally for the GC then held back so that it could have Wiimote controls tacked on to pass as a Wii launch title.


    "It's a bit unfair to single out Zelda when we could say the same about the 360's Pro Evo, Smackdown, Perfect Dark. It's generation transistion - good games are always good games and that's what I'm stating about Zelda."

    - Its not unfair to talk about Zelda on a Nintendo thread about the Wii. Its entirley appropriate.

    - No one has said at any point that the generational ports on other platforms are any better or worse than this port.

    - No one is saying Zelda on Wii is shit, far from it. The point is that it disappointed people by being a more or less straight port of a GC title rather than the true 'Wii-Zelda' experience which many felt the licence and console deserved. People were also aggreived that it was released on Wii first, stealing the thunder from what would have been the GC's last hurrah.

    The fact remains that the game was developed as a GC title, then held back to be proted to the Wii and tweaked around a bit. It doesnt take the franchise into new places as a result of the new hardware. It is a port.


    (Is it just me, or is this an extremely simple and obvious concept? Maybe Im explaining it all wrong but it just doesnt seem to be that difficult to grasp surely?)
    Edited by 1 at 13/08/07 @ 10:36

  • GingerNathan #119 5 years ago

    "RE4 was the biggest let down of all"

    It's funny how when people can't use the Wii remote properly then it's the fault of the hardware, I'm crap at golf but I'd never blame the clubs! :/

  • Sebo #120 5 years ago

    @afghan

    I feel we are arguing from the same perspective..........but...

    "It is still a title designed principally for the GC then held back so that it could have Wiimote controls tacked on to pass as a Wii launch title"

    - "tacked on" is what gets my back up. Wii controls were incorporated into the game. I mean, what would be the "full Wii experience".... we are talking better graphics aren't we? I'dve liked Zelda too look better too...but you know how long it takes to develop these games. Nice...but not essential and if that's what has let people down it's sad.

    "Its not unfair to talk about Zelda on a Nintendo thread about the Wii. Its entirley appropriate."

    - Didn't say it unfair to talk about it, said it was unfair to dislike it for being a "port"

    "No one has said at any point that the generational ports on other platforms are any better or worse than this port."

    - So????? I'm happy to point it out for people who don't like Wii games that are too Gamecubey.

    "No one is saying Zelda on Wii is shit, far from it. The point is that it disappointed people by being a more or less straight port of a GC title rather than the true 'Wii-Zelda' experience which many felt the licence and console deserved. People were also aggreived that it was released on Wii first, stealing the thunder from what would have been the GC's last hurrah."

    - Kryon is!!! The GC's last hurrah - gimme a break. It's a games console. Nintendo want it out on the platform which will make them most money. Nowt wrong with that.

    "The fact remains that the game was developed as a GC title, then held back to be proted to the Wii and tweaked around a bit. It doesnt take the franchise into new places as a result of the new hardware. It is a port."

    - Motion sensitive controls aren't new places.... I've definitely missed something then









    Edited by 1 at 13/08/07 @ 11:13

  • GingerNathan #121 5 years ago

    I wouldn't call it a port, just a different version of the same game. After all next week the PC and 360 versions of Bioshock are out, you wouldn't say one is a port of the other.

    Would like to point out that the subject is rather pointless, it's a great game regardless of what version you play, although I do prefer the Wii one for the Wii remote aiming, and the 480p Widescreen format.

  • Sid-Nice #122 5 years ago

    Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero and Eternal Darkness were all in development for other platforms. If Nintendo bring out a sex simulator; I don't want to sit holding a joy-pad twiddling my thumbs; I want to strap it on and give it some real action baby. I know we've only played 1 game but we're top of the league; well done Big Sam. The next person to call the Wii-mote a novelty is a cock. Netto have lots of bargains.

  • afghan_jones #123 5 years ago

    @Sebo

    The 'Full Wii experience' for Zelda isnt anything to do with graphics really, it might have been as simple a change as proper wiimote swordfighting.

    Could also have involved tons of other wiimote stuff though. spell casting, fishing, drumming, lockpicking, flying, rope swinging, digging, farming, lassoing, cattle driving, cake cutting, house building, horse riding, rowing, pick pocketing, balancing, juggling, all sorts.

    " Didn't say it unfair to talk about it, said it was unfair to dislike it for being a "port" "

    - You actually did say it was unfair to single out Zelda without mentioning ports on other platforms which are entirely irrellevant to whether people found this particular port disappointing or not.

    "The GC's last hurrah - gimme a break. It's a games console. Nintendo want it out on the platform which will make them most money. Nowt wrong with that."

    Im not disputing their business practices. Releasing it on the Wii was the obvious choice. Just that some people did feel it was a bit of a cheat rather than developing a real Zelda specifically for the Wii.

    "Motion sensitive controls aren't new places.... I've definitely missed something then"

    The whole reason for people's disappointment was that the motion controls are used so sparsely, ie only really on the bow and arrows. If it had bee ndone properly then the game would take advantage of the new motion tech whenever possible. As it is, the Wiimote controls are tacked on because they were added after the game was more or less complete. That doesnt mean they make the game worse, just that this is clearly a stopgap rather than the real Zelda Wii experience.

  • Kryon #124 5 years ago

    "It's funny how when people can't use the Wii remote properly then it's the fault of the hardware, I'm crap at golf but I'd never blame the clubs! :/ "

    Silly post but I'll reply all the same, My problem is not that I can't 'use' the Wii-mote, my problem is more to do with the fact that I had hoped the new controls would have been more integrated, i.e. it would have been nice if the Wii-mote could have been used for the knife attack (not just in specific sections) etc...

  • Kryon #125 5 years ago

    "I'dve liked Zelda too look better too...but you know how long it takes to develop these games. Nice...but not essential and if that's what has let people down it's sad. "

    Again I disagree, I do think its a let down to pay out for a new system only to get a game that looks as if its running on 6/7 year old technology (when this doesn't have to be the case, as the Wii is more powerful than a GC). It doesn't change the fact that Zelda is a great game, but I can understand Wii owners wanting/expecting games optimized (control-wise and visually) for the system the've just payed out for.

  • Sid-Nice #126 5 years ago

    It's time to leave a Nintendo thread when people start talking about 6/7 year old technology.

  • GingerNathan #127 5 years ago

    " i.e. it would have been nice if the Wii-mote could have been used for the knife attack "

    You're talking about RE4 right?, the Wii remote was used for the knife attack throughout the game, you just flick your wrist and Leon whips out and attacks with his knife!

  • Sebo #128 5 years ago

    @afghan jones

    I said its unfair to talk about Zelda when there were/are many other ports out there which could be criticised for the same thing, but remain good games.

    What I did not say, as you suggested I did, was that it was unfair to speak about Zelda on a Nintendo thread.

    I wonder if some of you guys have actually played this game - you do realise there is actually a fishing section in it, that the wiimote remote is used fantastically for the hookshot, that the sword controls, although not perfect are intuitive. Sure there are other uses they could have put in, but we are talking about a first-generation title here.

    And we are talking about new technology. Yes, the Wii has only give us a taste of its potential so far... but what console hasn't. Only the N64 launched with something which truly defined that machine five years down the line.

  • WillTheSecond #129 5 years ago

    There is a simple reason why Zelda on Wii is better: fishing. 'Nuff said. Fishing on the Cube version is dull by comparison.

    The fact is that the game graphically looks great anyway, although some minor touches (mainly texturing) would have added to the experience a tad.

    If don't think it's entirely possible to say objectively whether it is a Wii game or a Gamecube game, it is subjective depending on your stance (i.e. which build you've played most; what controls scheme you prefer; how important the graphical differences are and so on).

    I would say that I don't think that it's 'clear' that Zelda started life as a Cube game and I don't think the sword stuff is a minus (lets not forget the little audio touches from the Wiimote speaker). On the other hand, it has to be admitted that had this game been a Wii game from the start we would likely be seeing 1:1 sword controls. I still believe myself that overall the Wii touches have improved the experience, though. (Fiiishing!)

  • afghan_jones #130 5 years ago

    No one said Zelda was bad or the Wii control bits were rubbish, just that it was ported from a GC game and that some people found it disappointing that the Wiimote controls werent as fully integrated as they could/should have been had it been built as a Wii only title form the ground up. Okay?

    Im more than done with this now. ciao.

  • Kryon #131 5 years ago

    "You're talking about RE4 right?, the Wii remote was used for the knife attack throughout the game, you just flick your wrist and Leon whips out and attacks with his knife!"

    Yes, yes but there's no difference between that and just pressing the button! It doesn't feel as if you're really controling the knife (if u know what I mean)

  • Sid-Nice #132 5 years ago

    The old Xbox is better than the Wii graphically; in fact the Cube has better graphics than the Wii.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #133 5 years ago

    Could also have involved tons of other wiimote stuff though. spell casting, fishing, drumming, lockpicking, flying, rope swinging, digging, farming, lassoing, cattle driving, cake cutting, house building, horse riding, rowing, pick pocketing, balancing, juggling, all sorts.

    Hm? None of this has anything to do with Zelda and if it does it already uses the Wiimote. In fact shoehorning these elements into the game just to use the Wiimote is exactly what I would call tacked on. A lot of people wanted a Zelda game and not a Zelda themed Wiimote fest. It's a proper Zelda game and it should not have been trimmed just to fit the Wiimote and I am very happy about how it turned out. It was a bit disappointing in some areas for a Zelda title but that has absolutely nothing to do with the lack of more Wiimote heavy gameplay elements.

    That is also the reason why noone really cares if it was originally developed for the cube or not. Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero were already mentioned, both started on the N64, went to XBox to eventually end up on the 360. Who cares?

    Yes I like seeing games using the Wiimote but noone remotely sane would swap a perfectly good gaming experience for something else just to use the Wiimote.

    I don't doubt a minute that Nintendo is not capable of developing a great Wii Zelda game from ground up and that this new game might end up being better than Twilight Princess but the Wiimote controls were more than enough to justifiy playing it on the Wii. It's like you are saying that all Wii games are only good if they use the Wiimote to its fullest. I say use it were appropriate and Zelda has done exactly that and I am sure that most people are happy about the fact that it's still Zelda and none of the gameplay was sacrificed to make it Wiimote compatible.

  • gorf #134 5 years ago

    Nintendo had to support the Wii launch with some first part product which is a traditional statedgy employed by Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. In my opinion its was still a stunning game in its own right. To demoe its credentials by saying its spent most of its development cycle as a cube game is fallacious. a good game is a good game. If Nintendo policy would have been to delay launch and redevelop from scratch we wouldnt have seen twilight for a long time which would have alienated (insert a more robust expletive here) the traditional Nintendo fanbase.

  • Sebo #135 5 years ago

    Kudos to these last two posters, well structured arguments guys

  • TheJuriel #136 5 years ago

    So...still nothing?

    Soul Calibur Legends, maybe, but I'm not sure if it really uses the wiimote.

  • Kryon #137 5 years ago

    "That is also the reason why noone really cares if it was originally developed for the cube or not. Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero were already mentioned, both started on the N64, went to XBox to eventually end up on the 360. Who cares?"

    People would have cared if the finished 360 game looked like an N64 game, whether it utilized a different controller or not.

    "but the Wiimote controls were more than enough to justifiy playing it on the Wii."

    (In your humble opinion ofcourse...)

    "If Nintendo policy would have been to delay launch and redevelop from scratch we wouldnt have seen twilight for a long time which would have alienated (insert a more robust expletive here) the traditional Nintendo fanbase."

    They DID alienate their fanbase (you know, the people who owned Cubes) the people who would have had the game alot earlier had Ninty planned a proper Wii launch with with actual Wii titles... You lot go on about "it was in dev for a year as a wii game blah blah" How long ago did we see the first screens and demos, This game has prolly been in development (for the cube) for a good five years or so.

    Anyway, this discussion is going nowhere tbh.

  • afghan_jones #138 5 years ago

    @Kryon

    Just leave it mate, they aren't going to get this one...

  • Kryon #139 5 years ago

    @afghan_jones

    I know mate, the funny thing is, I really wasn't trying to put the game down or cause offence, just giving my opinion... but I guess that upsets some folk ;/

  • GingerNathan #140 5 years ago

    "They DID alienate their fanbase "
    (In your humble opinion of course..) :p

    I own every console Nintendo have released (except the Virtual Boy and original shape GBA) so I think I qualify as a Nintendo fan. I didn't feel in the slightest bit alienated by the choice of Nintendo to put TW onto the Wii at the same time, but then again I'm not one of these gamers that walk around with a chip on my shoulder thinking that games companies owe me a favour because I've bought some of their products in the past (Not saying that you are of course, just saying what I'm not).

  • Kryon #141 5 years ago

    You're ginger (lol), this obviously does not go in your favour, Therefore with the greatest respect possible I formally dismiss your argument and forward my condolences :p

    /Thinks about orange pubes

    /Giggles

  • GingerNathan #142 5 years ago

    "/Thinks about orange pubes "

    Weirdo! :~

  • Sebo #143 5 years ago

    Oh Kryon has just shown himself up for the narrow-minded elitest that he/she/it is with that last comment.

    Ha ha, got to laugh at that alienating fan base. Twilight Princess is one of the fastest selling games of all time....






  • Kryon #144 5 years ago

    "Oh Kryon has just shown himself up for the narrow-minded elitest that he/she/it is with that last comment. "

    Seb, just because someone makes you look silly in a comments section, there's no need to hold a grudge eh son. By the way, it's 'elitist', fail at spelling much?

  • Sebo #145 5 years ago

    Ha ha, silly? Where?

    Grudge? It's not me going round spreading ginger hate.

    And don't worry about my spelling, worry about your grammar "fail at spelling much?"... what the hell is that?

  • Kryon #146 5 years ago

    It's called English, it might be an idea to learn it eh.

  • afghan_jones #147 5 years ago

    fail at spelling much is kind of a well known slang ish way of putting that point across. not sure how best to describe it.

    Oh and the fanbase thing, this isnt something Kryon just made up in the last minute or so, it is generally accepted fact that the die hard Ninty fans who were staying loyal to the cube while waiting for Zelda, which was seen as the Cube's last big send off, were generally annoyed that it was delayed for so long so that it could be pushed as a system seller for the Wii despite not being optimised for the Wii.

    This is not some new idea it is pretty common knowledge. If you personally werent bothered by it then good for you but there it is.


    Also i know I said I wouldnt get dragged back into this but I am a mercurial individual and answer to no one.
    Edited by 1 at 13/08/07 @ 16:36

  • Sebo #148 5 years ago

    Are you for real?

    You think "fail at spelling much?" is a well constructed sentence? Go back to school "elitist".

  • Sebo #149 5 years ago

    @afghan_jones

    The sales of the game on Wii don't suggest that the "die hard Ninty" fans backed that up by refusing to part with their cash do they?

    I remember being annoyed at the delay, but lets not exaggerate how much of an impact this had on Nintendo. It was next to nil and you know it.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #150 5 years ago

    I also think that the delay indeed did put off a few loyal fans. Who knows, maybe Nintendo indeed needed more time to finish the game, maybe they just held it back to launch it with the Wii. I guess a few people were upset because of the delay. I still would not say that Nintendo alienated their fans though.

    There were some titles that were pulled from the late N64 release list so that they could re appear as a cube title. It happens with every new console generation and generally isn't such a big deal. I wonder if MS or Sony would have even bothered to release a system seller on the old console at all. At least people who had no intention of buying a Wii had the chance to play the game if a little late. It's a shame that people had to wait so long but I guess late is better than never. Although the reasoning behind it is very understandable it's no excuse to delay the game for so long but in the end I think that it did not alienate the fanbase in any way.

  • WillTheSecond #151 5 years ago

    Who really cares? Some people like the Wii version and some the Cube version. Nintendo OF COURSE made a Wii version because they wanted to assist the Wii's launch using that game. It makes business sense. On the other hand they did make a Cube version available as well, so people who prefer to give their Cube a 'send off' can do.

    "I also think that the delay indeed did put off a few loyal fans. Who knows, maybe Nintendo indeed needed more time to finish the game, maybe they just held it back to launch it with the Wii."

    Didn't Miyamoto say as much? That it was delayed to add Wii controls (read: held back for the Wii launch).
    Edited by 1 at 13/08/07 @ 16:48

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #152 5 years ago

    /points and laughs at all the wasted energy
    /goes back to playing games

  • afghan_jones #153 5 years ago

    @sebo

    I never said anyone voted with their wallet on this, just that it annoyed a lot of people, which it did. In point of fact, given how many 'non-gamers' bought a Wii, using sales figures to state that ninnty fans all loved the delay is ridiculous as a large bulk of the sales wouldnt have been form the ninty old guard.

    Also, no one said that it was damaging for nintendo. The original point made in the article was that Zelda on the Wii was 'a little disappointing'. I think it is obvious why, as it didnt fulfil the potential that the hardware offered and was essentially a GC port. (The order of release does not affect this)

    The game isnt bad and no one said it was, just that some people were disappointed that the Wii version did not take full advantage of the Wii's capabilites when really such a high profile franchise should have been used to showcase what ninty wanted the next gen to be about.

    anecdotally, I do know a lot of Ninty fans who got bored of waiting and got involved with a 360 rather than hanging on for the Wii.

  • Sid-Nice #154 5 years ago

    If Mario and Metroid are anything less than 9/10 then I think it is curtains for Nintendo. You just have to look at the UK video games chart which is made up of EA, Activision, Microsoft and Sony and not a Nintendo game in sight. I really want Metroid and Mario to be the games that put the Wii on the console gaming map. I hope the games have good graphics and good controls.

  • smelly #155 5 years ago

    "If Mario and Metroid are anything less than 9/10 then I think it is curtains for Nintendo"


    (looks at sales figures.. laughs at you)..


    "You just have to look at the UK video games chart"

    Makes you wonder why nintendo doesnt seem bothered about uk doesnt it? Uk gamers seem to be chavs more interested in shitty fps/racing games than anything actually good :-)

  • smelly #156 5 years ago

    HANG ON...

    the shitty pokemon game is in the list.. but smash bros is in the "runners up" list?

    wtf is up with that?

  • Der_tolle_Emil #157 5 years ago

    Afghan, one last thing I'd like to add:

    Zelda supported 480p, looked good and used the Wiimote whereever it made sense. Please explain to me how much more the game could have used the full potential of the Wii? Should Nintendo have added a little Tennis section just because Wii Sports does that too? The game was a bit disappointing because it was too easy, the overworld was lacking and because it was a bit linear. It really had nothing to do with not having a tennis minigame in it or any other part simply put it to make more use of the Wiimote. The game would be equally disappointing if you had to waggle the Wiimote just to make Link run or whip Epona with your Wiimote to make her go faster.

    What you don't get is that the fans never saw it as a flagship Wii title but as a Zelda game. They could not care less if it was only out on the cube or played mostly like a cube title on the Wii. They wanted Zelda and they got a proper Zelda game. For the people who only played it only on the cube it was just as disappointing as for anyone else - although the game clearly uses everything the cube has to offer.

    I really don't know how you could remotely 'blame' the console for Zelda being a bit disappointing. The game does have a few flaws and those are the reason why Zelda was not the 10/10 game like many people were hoping for. It has nothing to do with the Wiimote or the potential of the Wii because absolutely noone was expecting this game to be the Wii flagship title. All we wanted was a new Zelda game and noone did care about which platform it would be released on.

    A serious question: Are you looking forward to any Wii first party titles, like Mario Kart or Mario Galaxy? Do you want them to be great games that don't have to hide behind the predecessors or do you want them to be Wii waggle fests so that moaners like you cannot argue that it doesn't use the Wii's full potential because the game features gameplay that does not rely solely on the Wiimote? I am pretty sure Twilight Princess was the game that Miyamoto wanted it to be and I really doubt that after 3 to 4 years development you would want to rearrange everything just again.

  • Kryon #158 5 years ago

    Jesus H. Christ, What is wrong with that 'Sebo' creature? Did someone Wii in his wine or what? We just have different views, no need to start jumping up and down and squealing like a fat child who lost his candy floss.

  • smelly #159 5 years ago

    @Der_tolle_Emil : +1

    Agree with all of that, although i dont know/care what afgahn said as he's on my ignore list as he's a blatent 360 fangirl who comes on every wii thread telling us all how we made a crap purchase and his machine is betterer than everything else (or something).


    Back on topic.. Personally if all the games on this list get released this year.. then the wii (for me) has the best line up of all 3 of the machines (i get bored of shooters/racing games so the other 2 have little of interest to me).

  • afghan_jones #160 5 years ago

    @smelly

    I know you wont read this but please stop ignoring me. its not fair on the children and its not fair on me. Dont turn your back on our love. Yes, I know some people see it as taboo, but I thought we had something really special. Please don't throw it all away because i dont like the Wii as much as you...

    ...If you stop ignoring me I'll give you one of those super special back rubs you like so much.

    Possibly with a happy finish...

  • Sid-Nice #161 5 years ago

    Makes you wonder why nintendo doesnt seem bothered about uk doesnt it? Uk gamers seem to be chavs more interested in shitty fps/racing games than anything actually good :-)

    I know.
    Edited by 2 at 13/08/07 @ 20:55

  • Sid-Nice #162 5 years ago

    Smelly 8 of the top 10 video games in the UK chart are Nintendo exclusives.

  • Sebo #163 5 years ago

    @Kyron

    you are just a total wind-up merchant. Go back to your sad little life

  • gorf #164 5 years ago

    @Kryon


    "They DID alienate their fanbase (you know, the people who owned Cubes) the people who would have had the game alot earlier had Ninty planned a proper Wii launch with with actual Wii titles... You lot go on about "it was in dev for a year as a wii game blah blah" How long ago did we see the first screens and demos, This game has prolly been in development (for the cube) for a good five years or so"

    mmm so by your logic they they should have released a flagship game for a dying format at the expense of a Wii version ...

  • Sebo #165 5 years ago

    @gorf

    There's no point directing reasonable arguments towards Kyron. He's too busy having gay sex with dogs to give you the respectable response you deserve. Total phanny.

  • novotique #166 5 years ago

    @skywise

    nope I haven't. I haven't bought a console yet and was hanging out to see what games were in the pipeline for the WII. The table tennis turned the tables ;-)

    I play table tennis and I believe rockstats table tennis is supposed to be excellent to it will be interesting to see how it works with the wii controllers ! Cool I hope!

  • smelly #167 5 years ago

    you guys shouldnt get upset so easily at the fangirls.

    It just makes them think they're in the right and superior for you just because they bought the losing platform with the worst games.

    ;-)

  • Kryon #168 5 years ago

    Wow, there really are some miserable little halfwits in this thread... So Sebo, the only course of action left to take is to ignore you. Farewell cretin 'click'

    @gorf

    That argument has been done to death, revisit the various EG Zelda threads to learn the different views, I can't be bothered explaining things three times over, sorry.

  • smelly #169 5 years ago

    GAH!! Stoppit.. stop yer whinning everyone over an average game which was released almost a year ago!

    It's not as if TP wasnt poor when compared to other zeldas is it? (but it's still great in comparision to most other games).

    Now stoppit.. and get back to talking about the games on this list.

    Every time a fanboy posts on a forum slagging off a machine he doesnt own, little baby jesus removes the chance of one more virgin losing his cherry.
    Edited by 1 at 14/08/07 @ 00:34

  • Sid-Nice #170 5 years ago

    I'm surprised that Nintendo hasn't created a French Maid simulator; so everyone can use the Wii-mote as a feather duster to remove all of the gathering dust.

  • Carrybagma #171 5 years ago

    Someone pointed this out months ago, but being able to lie back on a sofa with one arm on the back and the other hanging over the side was the comfiest gaming experience I've had.

    As for the game, they completely avoided fucking it up with wiimote crap, so no complaints there.

  • Santino #172 5 years ago

    yep, twilight princess on the Wii is easily the laziest and most comfortable i've ever been while playing a videogame, which is pretty ironic considering the amount of idiots making jokes about HAVING to wave your arms around to play.

  • smelly #173 5 years ago

    ok.. as you all insist on talking about fucking zelda.

    I played it with the cable connecting the wiimote and nunchuck around the back of my neck while lying on the sofa.

    I too found it to be a fairly "lazy" gaming experience (in a good way)

  • gorf #174 5 years ago

    @Kryon

    That argument has been done to death, revisit the various EG Zelda threads to learn the different views, I can't be bothered explaining things three times over, sorry

    Im sorry but thats just lazy debate:

    I'm not talking of views but statedgy. You have to think of the bigger picture. Make a descent profit on selling one game on the dying formate or give your next gen HArdware a good headstart kick with with 1st party product. If you win the next gen format war by doing so then then the profit you make will make the gamecube sales of one game seem like peanuts...
    Edited by 1 at 14/08/07 @ 08:41

  • afghan_jones #175 5 years ago

    "Every time a fanboy posts on a forum slagging off a machine he doesnt own, little baby jesus removes the chance of one more virgin losing his cherry."

    If thats true then the chances of you finally getting laid are growing ever slimmer.

  • Sebo #176 5 years ago

    Kryon has ignored me......I guess that can be regarded as victory. Can someone point out that out to her if she's not able to see my posts.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #177 5 years ago

    It would be really boring if everyone agreed in the first place, wouldn't it? Sadly it's come more and more to this; As soon as two people realize they have different opinions one of them shouts 'fanboi' so that the other one can counter accusing the other one having strange sexual preferences, usually involving animals and/or the same sex.

  • Sebo #178 5 years ago

    @kato

    I've never used the words "fanboy" or "trolling" in any post. Fair point about the level we are at now, but I would clearly suggest you read the posts and see I was dragged there by her, not the other way around.

    I like a good debate, that's what these forums are for, unfortunately Kyron couldn't quite grasp that concept.

    And it's funny that someone that uses the word "trolling" and calls themselves Kato would call someone else childish
    Edited by 1 at 14/08/07 @ 10:42

  • Kryon #179 5 years ago

    @Kato

    It's cool mate, just ignore the little twat, as far as I can tell, almost everyone else does;)

  • Sebo #180 5 years ago

    @sebo

    But if you were ignoring me then why are you replying? This has become ridiculous.
    I'm waving the white flag. It's impossible to have a reasoned debate in this one.

  • Sebo #181 5 years ago

    @kato

    And where's the personal insult to kyron? The dog thing? Ha ha, come on, that's hardly personal, is it? She did spew ginger hate to another poster which really lowered the level in my opinion. Actually that was the turning point in this whole thing...

    What exactly is your problem though Kato? You seem to be onto a bit of a crusade too. "Can't blame him for being patronising". Why you being so condescending?

    Anybody actually want to talk games???????????

  • Sebo #182 5 years ago

    Ha ha ha ha. Utter nonsense. Good riddance.

  • Sid-Nice #183 5 years ago

    Why so many posts for so little few games? I could understand all the chit chat if this was the Xbox 360’s most wanted article.

  • Carrybagma #184 5 years ago

    Halo is shit

  • smelly #185 5 years ago

    wasnt the 360 most wanted list just halo, and a handful of other "me too" generic fps games?

    gimme smash bros, mario, metroid, batilion wars & zack and wiki any day of the week over them...

    In fact if i only bought 5 games for my wii and it was those.. i'd be a happy camper..

    (much happier than with 100 carbon copy fps games anyhows)

  • Khab #186 5 years ago

    How the hell does Pokémon Battle Revolution and the Olympics game oust SSBB from the list? Heresy!