Wii: 12 Games of Christmas

My true love gave to Wii.

The nights are so long these days (sorry, nights) that you could dress them up in angry forum posts and call them the delay between major Wii releases. Of the 12 Games of Christmas features we've done so far, this line-up saw by far the most chins stroked and calls placed in search of suitable candidates.

Surprisingly, the result is a sturdy list of interesting and diverse games, including at least one we expect to see yahooing and okey-dokeying its way up the highest reaches of our annual Top 50 Games list in just over a month's time. We didn't even have to delve into Dan's weekly Virtual Console Roundups for festive filler (although you could do worse than play The Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past once you're done with these and the Queen's stopped talking).

As ever, it's a mixture of games on the shelves already and a few more lurking on release schedules waiting for Santa's elves to whisk them off to duplication on a river of mulled wine with a hop, a skip and a Great Escape repeat to poke them on their relentlessly clichéd way. Anyway, enough preamble. Play these when you're done toking along to whichever Connery Bond they broadcast opposite the endless videotaped church services no one cares about.

Super Mario Galaxy

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You won't know whether you're coming or going.

Who else to lead our list? It's been so long in the coming that a worthy successor to Super Mario 64 still has us pinching ourselves, if not garrotting ourselves desperately with freshly dusted Nunchuk cables. Set out in much the same way, it sees you exploring the galaxy from a spaceship hub, hopping and double-jumping excitedly from theme to theme, constantly surprised and delighted by its audacity and almost complete refusal to flop lazily into existing archetypes.

Legend has it that Nintendo declined to show us its "next generation" Mario sequel at E3 a few years ago - in the days before we even knew about the Wiimote - because it was worried that people might steal its ideas. Well, they won't necessarily do that now, but that's largely because it's hard to imagine how you would copy Mario Galaxy without failing to live up to it. But enough hyperbole. It's out in just over a week, and it's the best thing on the Wii, so turn off the Weather Channel and buy some new batteries: it's a-time!

Eeeeeee! Mario and his evil counterpart Wario both feature in a recent three-part South Park story arc, where they can be seen fighting on opposing sides of a war for control of Imagination Land, in which (spoiler!) Kurt Russell gets raped to death by Christmas critters. Merry good.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

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But it looks the Samus!

Not one that your humble Chrismaspondent has had time to absorb yet, but in Kristan's view probably the best thing released for the Wii this year that doesn't have an incongruous flying space-plumber in it. It's not too far off that though - except you're a curvy flying space bounty hunter called Samus, who seems to be on a similar path to the one she followed in the first two, excellent GameCube Metroid Prime titles - either of which would make a perfectly good Christmas present in and of themselves, while we're on the subject.

This one promotes the adventure elements that took a back seat to puzzling and shooting in Primes 1 and 2, but the controls are worth the most plaudits - mapping concepts that worked before to the Wii's fancy new control system with such efficiency that it is, in Dear Leader's words, "far and away the most intuitive, satisfying system anyone's come up with on a console". Is it that good? "It's that good." Good.

Prime rib: Last time I was home I was having dinner with my Mum and she asked me what was that Irish game she'd seen me playing. What Irish game, I asked? "The one with the spaceship and the plants." Still none the wiser, I asked her to try and remember a defining detail. "I remember," she slurred, "it's the one about Seamus Ryan."

Super Paper Mario

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The previous caption writer has not been fired because he's wasted on you. And Pepsi.

John struggled to decide whether this was a must-have on release, but if you ask me it's an oasis of woohoo in a desert of boohoo. Let us list, once again, some of your friends the Pixls: Carrie is a hoverboard for you to ride on. Thoreau can pick things up and throw them. Given that most games are written by soupy pillars of gibbered banality, it's nice to play at least one a year that makes you laugh for all the right reasons.

It's got a few problems. Level-knack being the main one, as it softens into a mush of under-developed 2D/3D ideas that pack a lot of punch to begin with and then bruise their knuckles and resort to repetition while they go off to find an ice pack. You're hardly going to stop playing it on account of these things though, because it's dominated by brilliant jokes that make up the difference. Which is sort of what we said in paragraph one, except this time with a caveat. This is obviously a subtle encapsulation of the game's latter-stage decline rather than the desperate flailings of an exhausted writer way past his deadline. Well, nine minutes anyway. That's a long time in the fast-moving world of Internet lists.

Who's line is it: Nintendo has palled around with Intelligent Designs and Alphadream in composing a few Mario & Luigi RPGs and Paper Mario games, but arguably the precursor to these self-deprecating adventures is actually a game for which Square was largely responsible: Super Mario RPG, released in the US and Japan for Super Nintendo, was jolly funny too, including some excellent hiding behind curtains.

Geometry Wars: Galaxies

If the throwaway Geometry Wars Waves game bundled with Project Gotham Racing 4 on Xbox 360 is anything to go by, Bizarre Creations was right to try and extend the two-stick shooter formula it found so much success with on Xbox Live Arcade. Waves (amazingly deemed too insubstantial to actually be sold on its own) sees players trying to weave through increasingly nasty lines of encroaching enemies that weave back and forth like explosive cross-stitch.

Galaxies, meanwhile, extends the concept to fill out a range of levels - "battle grids" - across a single-player campaign, and even introduces multiplayer Retro Evolved. If Galaxies can recapture the precision of control and gorgeous, constantly varying action gameplay of its fabled predecessor, then it could be more than the cult hit Retro Evolved arguably remains despite its deep penetration among Live Arcade enthusiasts.

Sky ports: You may have heard that there's a DS version of Galaxies too. Well, they can be linked up, combine leaderboards and unlock content in one another too.

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games

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Look at them all. 30 percent are on drugs.

Much as we love dear old SEGA, we didn't have high hopes for this. It's a sports game with the Mario and Sonic characters in it, among others, and has "mini-game compilation" written all over it (which is quite impressive when you consider how many words are in the title). But every time we hear more our cynicism drops a little, and the prospect of being able to compete as your Miis in a series of Dream Events has us tweaking most unpleasantly. We've spent 12 months building an army of Miis, you see. What else was there to do?

Other events for proper characters (like Bowser - rrrrra) include the hammer throw, running, jumping and all that nonsense, and controls will of course be Wiimote and Nunchuk based. 100 metres sprinting, for example, involves shaking the Wiimote and Nunchuk alternately in a sort of running action. Which raises an interesting possibility: is this the spiritual Track & Field successor that Kristan really needs so he can shut up about retro games and get down with the kids? It could be. Or it might still be rubbish. Hope not.

Need a little: One of the lesser promoted bits of Mario & Sonic is the random drug test game where you have to tie the Nunchuk cable around your upper arm, slap your veins a bit and then gradually draw the Wiimote back until [this isn't going to get the piece finished any quicker - Ed].

LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga

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Lego Technics: poor man's Meccano.

I still remember when I first played Lego Star Wars. It was another disc on the pile. I vaguely remembered some people at a trade show "raving" about it, but then people say the craziest things at trade shows especially when they're ten Rogue Ops for goodness sake what was I drunk? Anyway, Lego Star Wars involves guiding cute little brick men around the galaxy far, far away using hokey religions to reassemble Lego bricks in a beautiful, addictively gorgeous manner that revives your childhood love of building things without any actual graft.

Not only is The Complete Saga a welcome compilation of the first two excellent games (both of which were funnier than Kiefer is a pirate), but the Wii version allows you to use the Wiimote as a sort of imaginary lightsaber, which is exactly what Satoru Iwata and Shigeru Miyamoto designed it for even if they don't quite remember (they didn't need to see our identification). Here's hoping that Traveller's Tales keeps up the high quality of the first two, because if they do then you have something even better to do than doing Google Image Searches for Carrie Fisher when you inevitably watch Empire Strikes Back on Christmas Eve and "need to pop upstairs for a bit" afterward.

Luke be a Jedi toniiiiight: Ellie has a friend who, if I remember correctly, has a) written a book about Star Wars and b) genuinely thinks the Trilogy of Shame are almost uniformly brilliant and full of subtle nods and lines that tuck extremely cleverly into all the nooks and crannies left in the original three films. But he is a nice man so ridiculing him seems mean.

Tomb Raider: Anniversary

Already one of the best games of the year on PS2, PC and Xbox 360, Tomb Raider: Anniversary is ready to swing and Keeley Hawes its way around the recycled Coke can innards of Nintendo's money-spinning waggle-slab this year. Eidos promised us in an email and everything. What makes it good? Well, the controls are almost perfect, the puzzles are massive, ingenious contraptions that never fail to amuse and you can shoot animals in it without somebody calling a vet.

And how can anybody resist investing in Keeley Hawes ongoing, meteoric rise through the world of British TV, cinema, mostly TV though and voice acting? Already involved in films we're all waiting for in 2008 like "The Bank Job", and attached to reprise her role as the voice of Lara Croft in the next game after Anniversary, it's surely only a matter of time before they officially oust fat-lips Jolie and the Top Shop one and make Keeley Hawes 100 percent Lara.

Timing: Tomb Raider: Anniversary actually came out 11 years after the first Tomb Raider.

Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles

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Don't know who this is no time to pick different shot panic panic.

One of the first games to take advantage of the Wii Zapper thing Nintendo announced in its big school assembly room thing at Not-E3 earlier this year, Umbrella Chronicles transplants the shambling zombs of its survival horror brethren to the Wii and asks: would it make sense to use the Wiimote like a gun oh actually we can just stick it in this plastic grip thing which looks a bit like an SMG and that'll do?

I had the pleasure of taking it for a spin at Not-E3, and either I wasn't very good at it (unlikely - I have completed over several levels in games), or something about the Santa Monica aircraft hangar I was standing in disagreed with it, because it crashed when I tried to unplug the Zapper and put it on eBay. Fortunately Kristan got some more time on it and declared it "undoubtedly a polished, well executed light-gun-style shooter, but it's one of those where you'll probably only be able to play in short bursts before the inevitable arm ache kicks in" with a snake in it.

Hyper Link: If you fancy practising for Umbrella Chronicles then you could always play Link's Crossbow Training, which has skeletons AND fruit in it and comes with the Zapper.

Rayman Raving Rabbids 2

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I hit a rabbit in my car once. He was trying to change the radio station.

During the shambolic UbiDays conference (where games were announced but apparently not announced, and vice versa, and then the beer ran out at the party after 15 minutes), Ubisoft's various executives made light of the occasional "wacky" rabbids animation beamed across the walls. If we'd been them, we would have made a bigger deal. We would probably have said things like, "HA! We told you it wasn't rubbish! But you doubted us!"

Well, it's true, we were a bit cynical about the first Rabbids when we first heard about it, but then it turned out to be alright. As Keza put it, it's "very good fun, especially in the right company" and "has a genuine sense of humour", rather than a lying one like ours. Good news, then, that there's a sequel out this month. And thankfully Ubisoft's ditched the rubbish PC version, etc, to focus on the systems with control schemes funky enough to match the mischievous "rabbids" rabidity.

Hutch control: We'd had enough of Rayman, but now we sort of miss him. Or perhaps we just miss Michel Ancel. Time for our yearly plea for another Beyond Good & Evil.

Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure

  • Release date: 7th December (TBC)
  • Gamepage

Rumblings suggest this might actually slip to 2008, but we're going to stick it on here anyway in hope of affecting the coal-like hearts of whichever accursed humans might be conspiring to hold it up. We like adventure games - we make no secret of that, except when we're hiding from the people from the recruit agency downstairs - and the critical acclaim heaped on Capcom's latest left-field effort in the US, where it's already out, suggests we're in for the sort of treat we usually only get on our birthday (yes, Toblerone).

Compared to Gregory Horror Show and Phoenix Wright by our name-dropping editor in terms of its "quirky spirit of adventure", it sounds like an adventure game where your Wiimote is the physical embodiment of the props your character relies on to solve puzzles. Pick up a bell and you can ring it by shaking the remote. USE monkey WITH wrench this ain't. Although there is a monkey in it. Come on Nintendo! Give it to us this year!

Speaking of monkeys: I bought the DVD of Congo the other day for a fiver. I had seen it ages ago and liked it but couldn't find it on the, er, at my video shop. Well, it has killer monkeys, Bruce Campbell, a parachuting gorilla who can talk and paint and Joe Pantoliano wearing Hawaiian shirts. So I was right.

Rockstar Games presents: Table Tennis

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Surely 'Liu Ping' is a bit racist? Uh oh! It's Hot Coffee all over again!

I really liked Table Tennis on Xbox 360. It was cheap, cheerful, and surprisingly deep and rewarding. It was also rock hard in single-player, so it's a good thing Ellie is around to lose to me semi-regularly on Xbox Live. And now, on the Wii! Except there's no online play. And Rockstar doesn't send me games any more because I was mean to them. But still, if I ever go to her Lewisham deathtrap hovel and fancy playing a Wii game, I will fancy playing this, because the clever mixture of spin attacks and the game's gentle hand-holding for positioning combine in worthy fashion.

And hey, surely this is the archetypal Christmas Wii Sports game? After all, it's tennis. Even Gran understood that. And - you can thrash everyone at it, destroying their self-esteem and reversing the flow of goodwill Nintendo has created by making games about dogs and all that nonsense. Fight the power.

I did some sport once: I was on my primary school's table tennis team. We used to play in a huge room so we all did that trick of serving from really far back. Yes I've run out of ideas for funny facts. Stick it in your **** and ****.

Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock

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My hair looks like that.

After nearly a year of people cooing over Rock Band and lazily forecasting the death of Activision's newly acquired Guitar Hero series, November's arrived and everyone's crawling back to the now Neversoft-fronted axe-matcher because, you know, it would take a lot of effort to cock this up.

Legends of Rock certainly doesn't seem to, and whatever you make of the track list the fact it's heading to Wii for the first time - among others - gives us the sort of excitement tingle usually reserved for when the pretty one who lives upstairs comes down to complain about the noise.

(It's all right, we know this sort of behaviour "heads in a bad direction". This is why we have Guitar Hero. And why she has mace, probably... You know what, that isn't funny, it's just sinister. The truth: we live beneath what occasionally sounds like a "hub" of Brighton's gay community.)

We did not have sexual relations with that woman: Because she is fictional. Not like Keeley.

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  • david78 #1 4 years ago

  • myiagros #2 4 years ago

    the first page looked like an awsome lineup, then it went a bit downhill from there.

    4 games from that list for me:

    Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Super Paper Mario and Zak & Wiki
  • IAmBatman #3 4 years ago

    > Much as we love dear old SEGA, we didn't have high hopes for this

    And yet it's still one of the top 12. Surely that's no a great sign?
  • lambtron #4 4 years ago

  • Killerbee #5 4 years ago

    Best list of the 3 'next-gen' platforms?

    I think so.
  • megadaisy #6 4 years ago

    A lineup like this seems to have been a long time coming on the wii - but the wait seems worthwhile as there are some cracking games here.
  • PinkSpider #7 4 years ago

    I want 6 of those, not bad. Think I will end up with two though. Possibly 3.
  • groovychainsaw #8 4 years ago

    Seems like theyre struggling to me - everything I've seen about umbrella chronicles has described it as luckluster. Geometry wars? A nice diversion, but a major release? Admittedly I would love to play mario and zak and wiki at xmas and maybe even MP3 (although i didnt like the previous 2), but it still can't beat the novelty feel for me. A party game, a rhythm game, a lightgun game, a 'greatest hits' game, a tacked-on sports game does not inspire me enough I'm afraid.
  • GamesConnoisseur #9 4 years ago

    'Of the 12 Games of Christmas features we've done so far, this line-up saw by far the most chins stroked and calls placed in search of suitable candidates.'

    Most of us anticipated that for Wii, the effort to make the list would be not as simple!! Reasonably good list though despite my low expectation that is. For me the musts are SMG, Galaxies and Resident Evil (being a regular player on the series).

    MP3 and Paper are certainly worthy addition to the list, but overall Wii list is weaker than other lists in my view. However SMG is one of the simply must have AAA game on any list for both serious and casual gamers.

    If other add what about LEGO, that will be available elsewhere too.
    Edited by 1 at 06/11/07 @ 16:33
  • Xerx3s #10 4 years ago

    Not even half as bad as expected. Considering picking a wii up after christmas with SMG & MP3.
  • Xerx3s #11 4 years ago

    Not sure what RRR2 is doing there though. Wasn't the first one a bit meh?
  • kissthestick #12 4 years ago

    Zack and wiki is '08

    a shame cause that was my number game to get this year if i found a Wii for xmas :(
  • Tonka #13 4 years ago

    Shame about Zack& Wiki.

    ;_;
  • Mr_Majestik #14 4 years ago

    What about Sega's Knights?

    Did you forget about that one?
  • captainrentboy #15 4 years ago

    Wow, that was definitely the weakest of the Chrimbo line ups.
    I really reeeeaaalllly want the new Mario game, it looks bloody lovely and it's a change from all the shooting and racing games I've had over the last few months, but I'm not forking out £200 odd just to play it (And I can honestly see nothing else I fancy on the Wii's release schedule), I'll have to play it when I'm on break in work.
  • woodnotes #16 4 years ago

    Some crap on there like Super Paper Mario (bored the hell out of me), Mario & Sonic (another dreadful minigame comp), Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 (and again), Geometry Wars (Wiiware instead thx), games that are on other platforms like Tomb Raider, Lego Star Wars, Table Tennis, GH3 etc.

    But on the positive side, MP3 is great, Super Mario Galaxy may be GOTY and Zack & Wiki is allegedly full of win.
  • Killerbee #17 4 years ago

    Metroid Prime 3 and Super Paper Mario I already have.

    Super Mario Galaxy and Zack & Wiki look like must-buys.

    Umbrella Chronicles, Mario & Sonic and LEGO Star Wars I'll be waiting for the reviews of, but they all look like having potential.

    Tomb Raider I already have on PS2.

    Even so, 8 out of 12 games I'm actually interested it - that's pretty good. The Wii finally delivers.
  • 5lectro #18 4 years ago

    No Endless Ocean or Ghost Squad?

    Oh and Link's Crossbow Training is apparently going to cost 30€. USA gets it for 20$.
  • disjoost #19 4 years ago

    my true love gave to wii

    haha, brilliant! :D
  • Zelos #20 4 years ago

    If Zak and Wiki and Battalion Wars 2 were on the release schedule for this Christmas it would be a great line up for me. As it is, there's basically nothing I really want to buy in December.

    Not that the other two console 12 day lists had anything more either.
  • aldo_14 #21 4 years ago

    I'm not too bothered when there's only 3, maybe 4, 'must get' games (I think this is true for other consoles too, at least in my opinion) - because I don't have the time or money for more than that.
  • pinchofsalt #22 4 years ago

    Its Christmas ya grumpy fecker.
  • CallousB #23 4 years ago

    Geometry Wars is 2008


  • drumbaby #24 4 years ago

    Only 3 Mario games and no Pokemon?

    You're slipping, Nintendo.
  • MoGamer2006 #25 4 years ago

    Why is Endless Ocean not in here? It's Wii only, different to 99.9% of the usual fare, meant to be ace and only £19.99 - what's not to love?
  • imperial_seal #26 4 years ago

    Nothing for me there, then again that's why I don't own a Wii or Nintendo console since the SNES.
  • Katsumoto #27 4 years ago

    Hmmm, trouble is I can't afford all of these. Good news Is I don't want a table tennis games, so I need only afford 11. Actually I dont want that rabbit whatever. Make that 10! Regardless, I will have to try and delegate some of these off to parents/siblings etc. And yeah, Endless Ocean/Forever Blue - that review should be coming up soon? Maybe they've decided its shit. Hope not!
  • brokenkey #28 4 years ago

    why would you need to pop upstairs after watching Empire? Surely Jedi has the defining Carrie Fisher scene?
  • Kiigan #29 4 years ago

    Are you guys seeing the same list I'm seeing?

    Aside from Mario Galaxy, things remain pretty bloody bleak on the Wii.
  • CallousB #30 4 years ago

    "And yeah, Endless Ocean/Forever Blue - that review should be coming up soon? Maybe they've decided its shit. Hope not! "

    Probably..but that's the type of title that will massively divide opinion. I could see it getting anywhere from a 4 to a 9 at Eurogamer

    ...and of course you can probably knock a couple of resentment points off due to the reviewer being pissed he was stuck playing a fish fondling game when he could have been playing Super Mario Galaxy.
  • Killerbee #31 4 years ago

    Nothing for me there, then again that's why I don't own a Wii or Nintendo console since the SNES.

    What? Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 are "nothing"!?

    You have no soul. ;)
  • afghan_jones #32 4 years ago

    a couple of goodies and some that in all honesty look pretty shit in anyones book.
  • Xerx3s #33 4 years ago

    Btw, is Geometry Wars a full price game? If so, isn't that a bit of a ripoff from a game that was originally developed to test another game and has subsequently featured for nopes in other games and has been available for DD for some time at a very low price?
  • MrChuckles #34 4 years ago

    No Wii for me yet... Already getting GH3, and the others just don't cut it.

    Then again, the only Nintendo games i usually really go for are Fire Emblem styleee...

    Why hasn't anyone done a new 'Point Blank' yet, would be Soooo perfect...
  • Der_tolle_Emil #35 4 years ago

    Not a bad list at all - And why does noone seem to care that Galaxy Wars is coming? Waves in PGR4 is fantastic and I'd buy that in an instant. I'm really looking forward to it. Also looking forward to most of the exclusives, then GH3, Tomb Raider and LEGO Star Wars, although I'll get the first two for my 360. I still have to decide about LEGO Star Wars though, if the light sabre controls are fun then I'll buy the Wii version I guess.
  • mrraspy #36 4 years ago

    holy crap, what a horrible lineup
  • Wolfman #37 4 years ago

    Absolutely nothing on that list that would make me go out and by a Wii. New Mario looks good but doesn't sell the platform to me.

    -wolfman
  • OrangeGoblin #38 4 years ago

    Damn, I pretty much want every one but Mario & Sonic and Table Tennis, as I haven't even got round to MP3 or SPM yet...
  • bdc #39 4 years ago

    lol at the people saying this is the best of the 3 console lineups
  • Feanor #40 4 years ago

    Having the user name Wolfman is one thing, but signing it at the bottom of your comment as well is hilarious. Well done.
  • Der_tolle_Emil #41 4 years ago

    lol at the people saying this is the best of the 3 console lineups

    Yeah, lol at personal oppinions and tastes. We should all ban them entirely and wear spartan helmets from now on.
    Edited by 1 at 06/11/07 @ 18:09
  • Ace_McCloud #42 4 years ago

    It's been said before, but there're too many good games flying about this year! I can't afford them all...

    Looking forward to the top 100, forgot that was coming, thanks for the heads up Bramwell!
  • drumm23 #43 4 years ago

    I've got a 360 and I'm buying one of the other consoles for this Xmas... this list has decided it for me, beats the PS3's list in my eyes and so I'm getting a Wii. Fair play to Nintendo.
  • Gamer5 #44 4 years ago

    Nice list, but where is Medal of Honor Heroes 2?

    I have only read good previews on this game.
  • miiiguel #45 4 years ago

    Better played after a generous dose of estrogen.
  • symbiote #46 4 years ago

  • Sid-Nice #47 4 years ago

    It could be a blessing in disguise that Zack and wiki has slipped to 2008. The game would have went unnoticed as everybody clambers for Halo, PES, FIFA, NFS, COD4, Assassins Creed, Simpson’s, Mass Effect and all.

    I’ve already got 3 of the games on the list; Umbrella Chronicles doesn’t really interest me, though it does look better than the early footage suggested. Personally I think that Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games could be a real winner; but that will be down to how well Sega implement the controls. Nights and Endless Ocean I will definitely buy; Guitar Hero III I’ll most probably buy for the 360, Tomb Raider Anniversary is another game where the control issue will decide what console I’ll buy it for.

    All in all there are some fantastic games available on all consoles; buying them isn’t a problem, yet finding the time to play them all is.
  • FaceOmeter #48 4 years ago

    lol wii is gimmick lol etc
  • listybabyyeahbbaby #49 4 years ago

    ive a feeling im gonna be totally skint this christmas after these kinda lists are published
  • Schwabing #50 4 years ago

    Ho hum, am still quite surprised developers haven't got more coming for Wii

    I think it has largest 'next-gen' installed base and is cheaper to develop for (2 GCs and all that)

    So why aren't there loads of games a la SNES?

    Doesn't matter short term as Mario will sell consoles. But why aren't there more games?
  • TriggerHippie #51 4 years ago

    Cool, plenty of Yuletide fun for Wiiners. With the obligatory though unofficial 'drunken' difficulty levels on all games for that extra challenge. Protective headgear for the family this Christmas!
  • levis #52 4 years ago

    I just don't get it! That lineup doesn't look that good to me (sorry to people that think differently), I much prefer the 360/PS3's lineup.
  • TriggerHippie #53 4 years ago

    The point isn't that other consoles lines ups are better or worse, its that if you're sitting with a Wii under your telly, theres plenty of good stuff to be playing on it this holiday.
  • figaro7 #54 4 years ago

    Ofcourse the lineup isnt as hot as it could be when you forget to include the following:

    Nights
    MOH 2 heroes
    Ghost Squad
    Endless ocean

    all the games above are coming out in europe between now and jan surely?
  • Der_tolle_Emil #55 4 years ago

    Schwabing -

    The SNES had about 60 games released in its first year.
    The N64 had about 40 released within the first year.
    The Cube had 39.
    The Wii so far has over 70 and isn't even out a full year yet. (I didn't even include all the games that are still going to be released in November)

    So there are actually lot of Wii games out there. There just haven't been too many top quality titles in the likes of the Mario games or Metroid. In terms of sheer mass though the Wii is the strongest Nintendo home console so far (although I have no idea how many NES games were released within the first year of release)
    Edited by 1 at 06/11/07 @ 20:41
  • Ryze #56 4 years ago

    It's a shame Nights hasn't made it.
  • Arwin #57 4 years ago

    Well, this list doesn't look like it'll make me complete my set of next-gen consoles anytime soon ... oh well.
  • Ryze #58 4 years ago

    Anyone know what happened to the bug issue affecting the PAL version of Paper Mario?

    I'll end up getting it in the long run, but only if it's been sorted, eh?
  • Gamer5 #59 4 years ago

    Here is a 12 game list(until Jan-08):

    Metroid Prime 3
    Need for Speed: Pro Street
    Super Mario Galaxy
    Zack and Wiki
    BW2
    Resident Evil: UC
    Guitar Hero 3
    Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
    Tomb Raider: Anniversary
    Endless Ocean
    Nights
    MOH2 Heroes

    Also worth mentioning:
    Geometry Wars
    Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
    Tony Hawk Proving Ground
    LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga
    Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire
    Ghost Squad
    The Simpsons Game
    Pokemon Battle Revolution
  • Kryon #60 4 years ago

    Sooo....One AAA title then... Yeah, great stuff Nintendo ...lol
  • Sid-Nice #61 4 years ago

    My son is dyslexic and I asked him to spell cock and he said "K-R-Y-O-N"
  • Kryon #62 4 years ago

    ^^^ So you're gay, you have a spasticated son, and you are trying to get him to spell out lewd sexual words to you... Are you actually sure you want to advertise this?
  • dk_rare #63 4 years ago

    "I bought the DVD of Congo the other day for a fiver. I had seen it ages ago and liked it but couldn't find it on the, er, at my video shop"

    OMG, classic!!!
  • Sid-Nice #64 4 years ago

    What is your definition of being gay Kryon? Did you mean that I was full of merriment or were you referring to me as being a homosexual? If it were the latter then how could I father a child?

    Dyslexia is a learning disorder marked by impairment of the ability to recognise and comprehend written words. This does not make my son a spastic.

    A cock is the male of any bird, especially of the gallinaceous kind.

    The only thing that I'd like to advertise is the fact that you are an irritating little shit; who needs to get a life instead of trolling the Nintendo comments.

  • Garulon #65 4 years ago

    It's so funny that the 360 comments were full of"Well what about x and y?" but the PS3 and Wii lists are so slim pickings they might as well be riding an atom bomb.
  • Garulon #66 4 years ago

    "If it were the latter then how could I father a child?"

    Really, really vigorous bumming?
  • Kryon #67 4 years ago

    @Sid bi

    Sid Nice
    05-Nov-07 23:10:53

    With Mario Galaxy, Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games, Metroid Prime Corruption and Nights, the Wii is becoming the console of choice for us gay gamers. All I need now is The Village People (greatest hits) and my life will be full.


    LULZ Yeah...Judging by that statement I'd say you defo take it up the bum mate and sorry but your son is a spastic by mere association to you ;-)
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  • Katsumoto #69 4 years ago

    I see Kyron is resorting to instilling homophobia these days, so I gather from the comments. Well, Kyron, i'd really like to bum you. Where do you live?
  • Nikanoru #70 4 years ago

    Sid: don't even bother listening to him talk about anyone else's perceived faults, you're talking to a self-proclaimed paedophile. ;)

    That's right. Kryon himself admitted that <a href=http://www.eurogamer.net/article_discussion.php? article_id=83986>he wants to shoot his sperm all over a 6 year old's face</a> (read towards the end). Everybody better hide their children!
  • Kryon #71 4 years ago

    Nikanoru, are you directing people to the thread where you admit to searching for naked pics of toddlers on Google? Shooting yourself in the foot a bit isn't it? ;-)
  • Garulon #72 4 years ago

    "@Garulon: Why is it so funny?"

    Because both systems are being touted by the fanbois as equal or better than the 360, but when you get right down to it they just don't have the library the 360 has, in either girth (oo-er) or quality, and this really shows it up. I mean Waving Wabbits (or whatever) 2? The first one was about as fun as being beat to death with the back end of a claw hammer, how great is 2 gong to be?
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/07 @ 11:41
  • miiiguel #73 4 years ago

    I don't get the "one year older" comments, as it's a bad thing... . A "one year older" device MUST be better then a "one year younger" one ? If so, give me the older, any day of the week. Oh wait, I have it, as a mater of fact I have it twice.
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/07 @ 12:02
  • miiiguel #74 4 years ago

    It sure sounds like, usually. Anyway, the "library" target is also a wrong argument imo, a "blockbuster" is a "blockbuster", regardless of the platform. The argument Xbox is for shooters, PS is for RPGs and Nintendo is for kids/girls is so passe. 360 has more RPG than PS, PS has more shooters/sports than any other kind of game, and Nintendo... (well... ok you got me there...).
  • Kryon #75 4 years ago

    "10 million people didn't buy a Wii to play Gears of War and Halo 3."

    No, most of us bought it hoping for a few good games like the ones you mention above
    but alas have had the system gathering dust for the last year because of the lack of anything decent to play on it, hence the relatively poor attach rate of it's software.
  • UncleLou #76 4 years ago

    hence the relatively poor attach rate of it's software.


    The attach rate is realtively "poor" because the console keeps selling like mad. It's when the attach rate climbs up that the platform holder needs to start wondering what's going wrong. The PS2 had a low attach rate for years.
  • Kryon #77 4 years ago

    @UncleLou

    That doesn't change the fact that the Wii's software sales are relatively poor considering how many people own one.
  • Garulon #78 4 years ago

    "The attach rate is realtively "poor" because the console keeps selling like mad. "

    That's not a reason. I know N make money from each and every Wii sold and good luck to 'em, but normally people buy consoles to buy games on, and given that apart from N's firstparty titles third party so far has been a lorryload of hastily assembled shit is keeping the attach rate down. As this title list proves - Table Tennis? really? Resident Evil Boring Gun Thing? really?

    Mario & Sonic? Sonic Team should be pushed roughly against a wall and shot, not have their unreleased title pimped out in a wishlist!
  • Garulon #79 4 years ago

    "You platformwar argument guys need to learn that not everyone wants to play all these amazing AAA games you keep banging on about, after all they bulk of them are in a pretty narrow 'guns and destruction' taste band."

    As opposed to minigames, party games, mini games and games of a diminutive stature?
  • UncleLou #80 4 years ago

    That's not a reason. I know N make money from each and every Wii sold and good luck to 'em, but normally people buy consoles to buy games on

    A simple example. 10 people buy a console, each buys 4 games for it. Attach rate: 1:4.

    Now 10 more people buy it, and of course don't immediately buy 4 games, but just 1. The attach rate of the console is suddenly 1:2,5, ie lower than before, although (or rather because) twice the number of consoles has been sold.

    Once these ten people have caught up with the first ten in terms of games they bought, another 20 people will have bought the console, each with one game, keeping the average attach rate low.

    Again: A high attach rate, especially comparatively early in a console's life, means the hardware isn't selling.

    Is the Wii's library not as good as it could/should be? Yes, I am inclined to garee with that, at least partly. But it looks as if some of you are only here to make up bullshit arguments, and I find ignorance annoying. If you troll, at least do it with some style and get your facts straight, unless you want to look even more like a complete fool than some of you already do anyhow.
  • Garulon #81 4 years ago

    "clearly strawmen arguments are the best you can manage, so on that note I'll leave you to play in your sandpit."

    No more strawman than "nearly all 360 games are guns and destruction" Or is it only strawman when someone other than you does it?
  • Garulon #82 4 years ago

    "Now 10 more people buy it, and of course don't immediately buy 4 games, but just 1. "

    I know what attach rate is, thanks. Why aren't they buying 4 games?
  • UncleLou #83 4 years ago

    Read my post. They do, over time. But of course they don't buy as many games at once as someone who has already owned the console for a year has bought in that year.

    Do you think people who buy a 360 today buy it with the 25 games someone who has owned it since launch bought? Or do they rather pick up the couple of games they're most interested in now and gradually buy more?

    That's a rhetorical question, btw.

    Edited by 2 at 07/11/07 @ 14:14
  • Garulon #84 4 years ago

    "Again: A high attach rate, especially comparatively early in a console's life, means the hardware isn't selling. "

    Or the software is selling - if you're selling more consoles than your existing console owners are buying games your software sales are in the shitter, any way you slice it. It's games sold/systems sold. Do you see?

    I'll try to make this more clear:

    "Or do they rather pick up the couple of games they're most interested in now and gradually buy more?"

    The second, but you have more people (they've bought consoles) gradually buying more. You know console sales in the UK are in the tens of thousands and game sales are in the hundreds of thousands, right?
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/07 @ 14:44
  • UncleLou #85 4 years ago

    You know console sales in the UK are in the tens of thousands and game sales are in the hundreds of thousands, right?


    This is where I give up discussing attach rates with you...
  • Garulon #86 4 years ago

    "This is where I give up discussing attach rates with you... "

    OK Fine, I'm just trying to help you understand that even a crappy title sells fifty thousand units in a month in the UK , and even if the Wii was doing that (which it ain't) in the UK, that'd be oversahadowed by all the other titles released. You've got your units wrong, basically :p
  • UncleLou #87 4 years ago

    Humour me, what do you think the attach rate of the 360 is, approximately?
  • Garulon #88 4 years ago

    [link url=http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertainment/gaming/game s-consoles/news/playstation-3-sales-boom-is-over?articleid=1 11448748
    ]http://ww w.tech.co.uk/home-entertainment...[/link]

    This site lists it at about seven, vs Wii of three. If we ballpark both system's install base at 10m (which is out but bear with me), this means that 360 owners have bought seventy million units of software and that Wii owners have bought thirty million.
  • Nikanoru #89 4 years ago

    Nikanoru, are you directing people to the thread where you admit to searching for naked pics of toddlers on Google? Shooting yourself in the foot a bit isn't it? ;-)

    Hmm nope, sorry, not gonna happen. No matter how much you kick and scream, you're just gonna have to concede this one. ;P
  • Kryon #90 4 years ago

    @Nikanoru

    lol, I think not old chum.
  • Nikanoru #91 4 years ago

    I do think so... and I think you already have, merely by your eager defense on how she looked 18 to you, really!
  • Kryon #92 4 years ago

    To be fair, the legal age of consent here is 16 but regardless,"she isn't real" mate, it's a 'super deformed' cartoon character not a human. It has no age or even gender, it isn't a living being. I think you need to stop playing games so much, you can't seem to decipher between real life and fantasy anymore.....

    Also what was it you said in another thread a few days ago?...Oh yeah-

    Nikanoru
    05-Nov-07 22:12:46

    Mmmm, all I ever seem to think about is kids, I know it's wrong but every time I pass the local nursery school I always turn my DS on with Picto-Chat to see if I can snag me some of that sweet tender kiddy love action!!!


    Spose you're gonna tell us Mario made you do it, right? ;-)
  • Nikanoru #93 4 years ago

    Hahaha, why do you keep trying to seriously defend yourself? Well, let's see how long before you finally face up to your own dark secret, baby humper.
  • Kryon #94 4 years ago

    C-mon man, we all know that all this bravado is to cover up your anal eel insertion fantasies XD
  • Nikanoru #95 4 years ago

    Monkey see, monkey do.

    Come up with your own stuff, man. :(
  • Kryon #96 4 years ago

    You 'do' monkeys as well? Jeez man, do they give good head..or?
  • Nikanoru #97 4 years ago

    I feel compelled to explain this to you.

    You're the monkey. And you do, what you see people do. A positively hilarious metaphor, although in this case it is barely a metaphor at all! :D
  • Kryon #98 4 years ago

    /thinks....

    /scratches head...

    Sooo....what you're trying to say is you fancy me, right? ;-)
  • Nikanoru #99 4 years ago

    Now that's just wishful thinking on your part.
  • Kryon #100 4 years ago

    Lol, deny it all you want man but everyone can see that you want it, go on, you gonna ask my asl next? Before you ask, I don't have a cam, soz... XD
  • Nikanoru #101 4 years ago

    Wow, I can see you're really, really wishing for this, with the talk about webcams and everything. I'm sorry to disappoint. :(

    If it helps you cope, I'm much older than 12, so you wouldn't be interested in me anyway.