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Watchmen: The End is Nigh Interview

Xbox 360 PC PlayStation 3 Interview by Jon Hamblin

14 January, 2009

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When, back in early 2007, Watchmen director Zack Snyder suggested that any game that tied in to the film would have to be "More than the movie", beardy comic book fans nodded in sage appreciation. After all, the original Watchmen series is the sacred cow of comics - it popularised the term 'graphic novel', and in the process pulled funnybooks kicking and screaming from poly-bagged basement dungeons onto the sun-dappled coffee tables of hipster posers everywhere. So it was a bit of a surprise when the announcement of the Watchmen: The End is Nigh movie tie-in game revealed that 'More than the movie' translated into 'download-only shonky looking beat-'em up' - but there you go.

On the plus side, original Watchmen artist Dave Gibbons has been involved to deodorise the project with a whiff of authenticity. Keen to learn more about his involvement, we grabbed Dave for a few words at the launch for the iTunes-exclusive animated Watchmen comic book at the flagship Apple store in London. Eager to chat and mess about ("That looks a bit suspicious, is that jailbroken?" he quipped as we brought out our iPhone, causing nervous laughter from the nearby Apple representatives) Dave ushered us behind the scenes to the store's eerily white back offices and began...

(Oh, and if you haven't yet read Watchmen and are intending to remain spoiler-free for the film, be warned - there's some chat about the book's ending on the second page).

Eurogamer: So tell us about 'The End is Nigh' then

Dave Gibbons: Well, I don't really know very much about the game. I've been consulting on the look of some of the artwork in it. Basically, it deals with Rorschach and Night Owl in the days before everything went wrong, and it features a few other characters and villains that are hinted at in the graphic novel. It's written by Len Wein who was the original editor of the graphic novel, so it keeps it all in the family, which is nice. And I've been consulting on the cut-scenes which we've tried to retain the atmosphere and flavour of the artwork.

'Watchmen: The End is Nigh' Screenshot 1

Eurogamer: Were you worried about fleshing out this story without writer Alan Moore's involvement?

Dave Gibbons: Well, we were really, cos Alan and I have always resisted doing any sort of back-story to the Watchmen graphic novel - at various times it's been suggested that we could do the Comedian's Vietnam War Diaries or Rorshach's journal, which we thought would be a bit dopey. But the precedent is, at the time the original comics came out, Mayfair games did a role-playing game that Alan helped write bits of, and it's completely canon, so this game uses a lot of that less-well known material.

Eurogamer: Have you had any contact with Watchmen co-creator Alan Moore at all since this resurgence of interest in Watchmen?

Dave Gibbons: Alan has had a few bad experiences with Hollywood, a few of the adaptations he wasn't very happy with, and it wasn't something he wanted to repeat, so from V for Vendetta, he decided that he didn't want any connection to them and didn't want any money from them. As Hollywood is all about credits and money, he finds it rather amusing, he tells me that he likes picturing the studio executives' faces when they find out he doesn't want any cash - he says you can't buy entertainment like that. He's always happy to talk to me 'cos we're friends, but he doesn't want to talk about Watchmen, so we haven't had any discussion about that at all.

Eurogamer: Has he not shown any curiosity at all?

Dave Gibbons: No. Strange isn't it? But as we were co-creators, he doesn't have a problem with whatever I do. He's not saying, 'I'm taking the moral high ground, I think you should too', it isn't like that. I'm trying to keep an eye on things, but I certainly can't second-guess what Alan would or wouldn't approve of. I've given a pretty enthusiastic 'no' to a few things. But by and large I'm very happy with the movie adaptation and the games look great. I don't think the process of adaptation diminishes the original work, and hopefully the film and game will get more people to check out the graphic novel.

Eurogamer: Being a big Hollywood movie, have there been any inappropriate tie-in deals that you've said no to? Y'know, like Dr. Manhattan bubble baths or Rorschach PEZ dispensers?

Dave Gibbons: What, don't you want one?

'Watchmen: The End is Nigh' Screenshot 2

Eurogamer: Actually, I kind of do now...

Dave Gibbons: There were a couple of things, there was the idea of putting Watchmen characters on soft drink cans, and I didn't really think that was such a wonderful idea. But DC are very protective over the franchise anyway, and Zack Snyder has a very good handle on what is and isn't appropriate. I'm sure a lot of things were quashed before I even got to hear about them.

Eurogamer: Has Alan ever floated the possibility of going back to the Watchmen world?

Dave Gibbons: At one point we had the idea to do a book about the Minutemen, who were the precursors to the Watchmen, the sort of Golden Age [a comic geek term for comic books released in the 30s and 40s - Ed] version of the group, and we would have made it look like a regular golden age comic book. And the good thing is, because it would have been a prequel, and we all know what happens to those characters, it'd be like waiting to get hit by an express train - you know it's coming, you just don't know when.

Eurogamer: [Sees publicist anxiously tapping at watch] Ah they're watching the watch. Er, man. So, last question. Which super-powered character do you reckon you could have?

Dave Gibbons: In what way?

Eurogamer: In a sexual way.

Dave Gibbons: Hahaha, That's a bit of a handbrake turn! I'm gonna pass on that one.

SPOILER WARNING: If you click through to page two, you're going to find out what happens at the end of the film, so if you're curious and haven't read the comic, don't! Watchmen: The End is Nigh is due out for PS3, Xbox 360 and PC in March. Friend-of-Eurogamer Jon Hamblin is editor of Dads' Space.

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BBIAJ
14/01/09 @ 07:48
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As much as I loved the developer's previous offerings (Total Overdose, Chili Con Carnage), this does look utter pants!

Shame...
neilka
14/01/09 @ 08:35
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The role-playing game is a cannon?
muscleblade
14/01/09 @ 08:37
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For a XBLA/PSN release its looking decent enough imo.
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14/01/09 @ 08:38
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I belive the word Mr Gibbons may have used was "canon", not "cannon", but not having the actual sound recording makes it impossible to say with 100% certainty. Although I am definitely going to start using "cannon" from now on. (As in "Did you play the new DLC for Fable II? It's cannon!" etc.)
guernican
14/01/09 @ 09:02
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"Do you think 9/11 proved that it didn't need to be a huge multi-dimensional monster invasion to bring people together?"

Mmmhm. People who don't follow Islam, anyway.

I always found Nite Owl the least interesting character in the book. Vaguely looking forward to seeing how brutal you can be with Rorschach, though.
space ace
14/01/09 @ 09:03
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dave gibbons, of beneath a steel sky? legend!
afray
14/01/09 @ 09:13
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If they let me as Rorschach beat a dwarf to death in a toilet cubicle, I'm sold.
Rodafowa
14/01/09 @ 09:19
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The role-playing game is a cannon?

It's well weapon.
Meho
14/01/09 @ 09:51
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Seeing how this sacral IP gets turned into a probably mediocre beat 'em up, it's not hard to see why Alan Moore would want to stay away from the whole thing. Also, the other film adaptations of his works have been pretty unsatisfactory and since the film Watchmen changes the endning of the book I somehow think I will be dissatisfied with it too.. Although, to be fair, it was always going to be hard to turn such a huge piece of writing into a two (or even three) hour film... But the game, despite me liking Chili Con Carnage and TO is probably just going to be a cheap, cheap, cheap, bad tie-in... Alas.
jack_klugman
14/01/09 @ 09:55
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Eurogamer: So tell us about 'The End is Nigh' then

Dave Gibbons: Well, I don't really know very much about the game.


Great start.
Thunderbolt!
14/01/09 @ 09:56
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Similar to the Fight Club game then?
BanjoMan
14/01/09 @ 10:27
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First Tolkien's Cannon, and now this?

I like the way gaming journalists get to call comic book enthusiasts 'geeks'. Comics have more potential to be literature and art than games.
rhubarbandcustard
14/01/09 @ 10:44
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Over the last ten years I have built a massive comic book collection.

The much heralded Watchmen is a book I loathe. Dreadful art with a story and dialogue that rapidly disappears up its own backside.

Don't believe the hype.
BanjoMan
14/01/09 @ 10:52
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Haha. Excellent bit of twaddle there, rhubarbandcustard.
Waffleaber
14/01/09 @ 10:53
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This interview has even fewer game related questions than the Holly Valance one and yet nobody seems bothered. Surely there should be at least one "Bloody hell did I log on to the Total Film website" comment by now.
iokthemonkey
14/01/09 @ 10:55
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bluepenis lol
BanjoMan
14/01/09 @ 10:56
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If you read an interview with Holly Valance, are you really expecting in-depth discussion of gaming?

Likewise, an interview with Dave Gibbons is hardly going to be about the finer points of current-gen gaming.
Thunderbolt!
14/01/09 @ 11:05
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rhubarbandcustard,

Just out of interest what comic/book sits on the top on your collection?
bodypopper
14/01/09 @ 11:13
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'A handbreak turn'?

Is that some kind of torture method?
Derblington
14/01/09 @ 11:31
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"I like the way gaming journalists get to call comic book enthusiasts 'geeks'. Comics have more potential to be literature and art than games."

The potential to be art has nothing to do with fanboyism of any media.
rhubarbandcustard
14/01/09 @ 11:52
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Thunderbolt:
Best 1 shot volume: either We3 (Grant Morrison) or Pride Of Baghdad (Brian K Vaughan)
Best Series: Ultimate Spiderman or The Avengers - basically anything by Brian M Bendis
BanjoMan
14/01/09 @ 12:05
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Pffff, Ultimate Spiderman. Marvelol etc.

Bendis is ok generally, but it's pretty lightweight fare.
Thunderbolt!
14/01/09 @ 12:06
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rhubarbandcustard,

Interesting, I have Pride Of Baghdad but have yet to read it.

Unfortunately I'm currently reading Watchmen so couldn't read page 2 of the article and dont want to spoil the story anymore than I have to.
evilbert
14/01/09 @ 12:22
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I actually just reread Watchmen (for the umpteenth time) over Christmas. I can't say I'm looking forward to this game or the movie but I'll probably look at both.

I do want a Rorschach Pez dispenser though and I want it now.
actionfitz
14/01/09 @ 12:23
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They should just leave it the hell alone.
It's a great IP... but the whole sacred cow thing rings true for me.
Im nervous enough about the film - Im a 300 and Dark Knight etc fan but...
Alan Moore is right - consider monstrosities such as the absolute fucking hatchet job that was the League of Extraordinary gentlemen movie. V for vendetta wasn't as bad but could have been done far better.
rhubarbandcustard
14/01/09 @ 12:43
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Banjoman: Never understood why comic book readers dismiss Marvel or DC superhero books. It's what the industry was built on.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Watchmen fanbase is nothing more than a circlejerk (google the definition if needed) of self-congratulatory fools who think that reading 'clever' comic books makes than smart by association.

By the way, have read League Of Gentleman and V For Vendetta and hate them too.

Why is Alan Moore so revered? I just don't get it.
oxymoron
14/01/09 @ 12:44
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Dave Gibbons has done some great artwork, Rogue Trooper was awesome-o. Give me Liberty etc.

V for Vendetta was a great film IMO and it came out at the right time to considering the global crisis which was occuring at the time, there is/was a certain Zeitgeist to the film and graphic novel.


League of Extraordinary gentlement was pap, the best thing in the film was the monster at the end looking like Kevin O'Neils artwork.

(off topic does anyone watch Sanctuary? getting very steampunk/lLOEG with Jack the Ripper, Dr Watson, Nicolas Tesla, Invisible woman)

Hollywood fucked the Judge Dredd movie (demolition man was more judge dredd than judge dredd)

What they need to do is make a 'Marshall Law' film, that will totally turn the industry upside down.

rhubardandcustard, you need to read "Zenith - the ultimate Man' you will love it, as I am sure all of the readers of this website will to.
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14/01/09 @ 12:56
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Thanks for that EG.
Loved Dave Gibbons' work since Rouge Trooper days
3william56
14/01/09 @ 13:10
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Guys, there's a few, y'know, games been released that you haven't reviewed, so can we please can the celeb spotting and get back to what this site is about. You can start with Savage Moon on the PSN if you like.
actionfitz
14/01/09 @ 13:13
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Personally I rate Warren Ellis higher than Alan Moore.
I just Love Transmetropolitan and Garth Ennis's Preacher - Two books I pray never see a green light for filming.
Both have the sort of dark and twisted sense of humour I love and would hate to see watered down to the level that would make a hollywood producer comfortable.
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14/01/09 @ 13:44
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WE3 is excellent - can't believe though that they are trying to make it into a film too, I mean I'd love to see it if they do it well but a) they won't and b) it wouldn't sell.
I have to say both Watchmen and V for Vendetta are excellent novels, but each to their own.
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14/01/09 @ 14:14
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I guess I just like it up here in Alan Moore's backside. I'm sure he'd approve.

Kinda waiting for the day when people realise that accusing a piece of art of being obsessed with itself or pretentious is just as self-congratulatory. Well done you. You have seen through the illusion of art. You have perceived the limits of ambition. Lets hope we never try anything ambitious ever again and just turn out enjoyable but transitory event books.
evilbert
14/01/09 @ 14:18
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Bloody hell, it's great to see a good few 2000AD readers on this. TBH, I never was a big fan of Moore (and that includes Halo Jones!) I love Watchmen though.
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14/01/09 @ 14:29
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Watchmen is a great story.

Best comic-book story I've read this year (thus far) is "What If? Secret Wars" #1. Brilliant Dr Doom story that shows just what a maniac he is.

But back onto games / comics: "The Walking Dead" MMO FTW.
rhubarbandcustard
14/01/09 @ 14:48
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Shrike: Actually I think Alan Moore would approve of that answer. Because your writing is just as smug as his.

"You have seen through the illusion of art. You have perceived the limits of ambition. Lets hope we never try anything ambitious ever again and just turn out enjoyable but transitory event books. "

WTF?
BanjoMan
14/01/09 @ 14:49
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Rhubarb:

To be fair, I was being fairly ironic with the 'Marvelol' comment, although Marvel comics are generally speaking lightweight reading. Even The Ultimates (imo the best Marvel series) is just bubblegum compared to, say, the Sinestro Corps War or Kingdom Come.

I just don't see the 'Watchmen and V are shit but Ultimate Spidey is teh awesom' argument. It baffles me.
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chicknstu
14/01/09 @ 14:53
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Isn't the subtitle for this game a bit of a spoiler?
Genji
14/01/09 @ 14:59
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Well, surprise, surprise. Alan Moore is a dick. Cranky, bitter, up his own arse, and all that.

Oh, and he's a damn good writer. It doesn't make him any less of a dick for it, of course. Maybe being a dick is sort of expected for people like him.

He laughs when picturing the faces of studio executives upon learning that he doesn't want money? If I was a studio executive, I would say something to the extent of "Awesome! We don't have to pay this guy! Now let's make the movie anyway." Ha ha ha.
IronCladChicken
14/01/09 @ 15:22
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14/01/09 @ 15:26
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"I like the way gaming journalists get to call comic book enthusiasts 'geeks'. Comics have more potential to be literature and art than games."

you are positively retarded. a comic book - and you can call it "graphic novel" as much as you want, it's still a comic book - will never even be close to literature. grow up already and start to read a few real books, then you might have a clue as to what literature is
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rhubarbandcustard
14/01/09 @ 15:37
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JahB: I'm sure I'm horribly mistaken, but you do sound like a tedious fuckwad.
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14/01/09 @ 15:42
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"will never even be close to literature."

Why not? Because -you- say so?

Thanks for being an elitist prick, you elitist prick.
JahB
14/01/09 @ 15:42
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yeah i might, but i'm right.
JahB
14/01/09 @ 15:44
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Why not? Because -you- say so?

because literature is the art of "the written word". not writing 2 sentences and backing them up with a picture. that's something you do for children, because they aren't quite capable of reading a book yet.
rhubarbandcustard
14/01/09 @ 15:46
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"not writing 2 sentences and backing them up with a picture. that's something you do for children, because they aren't quite capable of reading a book yet. "

JahB: I must stay strong because your beginning to convince me.

But not yet. Not yet.
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Les
14/01/09 @ 15:49
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"I always found Nite Owl the least interesting character in the book."

IMO that was kind of the point of the author.

"I like the way gaming journalists get to call comic book enthusiasts 'geeks'. Comics have more potential to be literature and art than games."

+1
Les
14/01/09 @ 15:57
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IMO comics books shouldn't be aspiring to be like 'regular' books, they're an art form on their own, with different merits. I enjoy reading graphic novels (and even plain comics now and then) and I enjoy reading literature.

As for "comics/graphic novels are for kids", IMHO people who make such claims and are serious about it (so not just flame baiting) are idiots.
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14/01/09 @ 16:01
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"because literature is the art of "the written word". not writing 2 sentences and backing them up with a picture."

But comics also include this "written word", just because they happen to have illustrations also = invalid ... ? And where's the dividing line here ... What about illustrated novels?

edit. What Les said about idiots. (or just blinkered, if you prefer)
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Thunderbolt!
14/01/09 @ 16:07
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Watchmen is in Time Magazines All 100 Novels list:

http://www.time.com/time/2005/100books/t...

Although its a subjective list it does offer it some credibility.
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14/01/09 @ 16:09
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JahB, you've missed my point. I said comics are more able to be literature than games. You're doing this:

BOOKS > EVERYTHING

When all I was saying was:

COMICS > GAMES (in terms of narrative and 'art')

But that's not to say that games don't contain strong narrative or artistic elements. Still, I find your posting amusing, so carry on in the same vein if you like.

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