WAR: "we can't schedule for sh**"

And WOW is "flawed genius" - Barnett

Speaking at the Develop Online conference today, Paul Barnett, creative director of upcoming MMO Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning, admitted: "When we launch these games, we can't schedule for sh**."

Englishman Barnett was giving a talk in his usual barnstorming stand-up style on the lessons Mythic Entertainment had learned while making WAR. He promised that this time the game's launch date, which could be as early as September, would stick.

"We're nearly there, God help us, the fifth time we schedule it it's going to work. Lesson one: don't trust your schedulers," Barnett said. "Add more time."

Unlike many of his peers in MMO development, Barnett was happy to discuss WAR's soon-to-be-rival game, Blizzard's World of Warcraft.

"I believe WOW is a work of flawed genius," Barnett said, explaining that he discouraged his developers from playing it, lest they be too influenced.

"When you dismantle [these works] you can never be sure whether you get genius or flaw," he said. "The reason I don't play other online games is that they're corrupting, they are cancerous, they change the way you think."

He gave the example of a change in quest structure in WAR, away from the WOW norm. "That one change took three months of meetings, because the people I was up against were corrupted by the gaming experiences they'd had.

"They weren't capable of thinking sideways because they knew the answer, and it worked, and resulted in a game that is very successful.

"You can't be the Beatles. If you try and be the Beatles, you'll end up as the Monkees," he finished.

Continuing his musical theme, Barnett argued that the games industry was more like the music business than film.

"People will lie to you relentlessly and tell you that we're the movie industry, this is a lie perpetuated by people who work in cubes and never see the day star... There are things we share, but they're all bad things - we can't schedule, we run over budget," he said.

"I actually think we're more like the music industry. Games are made by small teams of core people helped by other people. 400 people played instruments on Sergeant Pepper. Build your band," he advised.

He gave the example of GoldenEye a game developed by "a group of lads put in a shed," without interference from Rare management.

"Like all great bands, computer people make their best games before they learn to make games properly," he said. "Before they learn what they can't do. Like Oasis, when they made good songs rather than just proper ones."

For more of Barnett's pithy, outspoken performances, check out some of his developer diary videos on the WAR game page, and watch out for more coverage of the game soon.

Comments (19) Latest comment 4 years ago

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  • DFawkes #1 4 years ago

    What's wrong with the Monkees? Better than the Beatles by a country mile :)
  • quantumsheep #2 4 years ago

    He's not wrong!

    edit: About scheduling!
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 16:28
  • robg #3 4 years ago

  • spammage #4 4 years ago

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    What was his point again?
  • APHIZM #5 4 years ago

    Love the Monkee analogy :)
  • PlugMonkey #6 4 years ago

    The universal equation of scheduling:

    Amount of time required = (amount of time you think it will take x 2) + X
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 17:08
  • Ranger101 #7 4 years ago

    I've officially banned the Internet from using IP as a synonym for franchise, brand, series, set, product line, cash cow, ho and "game involving a character we are going to milk like fuck".
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 17:09
  • john_silence #8 4 years ago

    And I thought MMO's were boring!
  • Mudo #9 4 years ago

    "I've officially banned the Internet from using IP as a synonym for franchise, brand, series, set, product line, cash cow, ho and "game involving a character we are going to milk like fuck"."

    Fuck you, intellectual property, IP, is perfectly fine. If anything it should be used more. (as long as the franchise, brand, series, product, etc, is technically an IP.)
    Edited by 1 at 29/07/08 @ 18:00
  • Greychapter #10 4 years ago

    I really hope this is a good game... though I would have bought the collectors edition just for the art book and the GW miniature you get!
  • autogunner #11 4 years ago

    I think a better model for the games industry is the film industry, it has a greater scope fr adding in profit from sleeper hits etc than the music industry, where even if the band is great few people in the mainstream will buy their album.
  • kangarootoo #12 4 years ago

    "You can't be the Beatles. If you try and be the Beatles, you'll end up as the Monkees"

    Weren't the Monkees also ludicrously successful though?
  • MaxiSleep #13 4 years ago

    First law of MMO launch

    When you need to talk about WoW you are already in deep doo doo.
  • Lurks #14 4 years ago

    Tell you what, if WoW was flawed genius I wouldn't mind knowing what DAoC was :)
  • Sildur #15 4 years ago

    Are they handing out crack at Mythic?

    This guy has some ridiculously insane/stupid analogies, but maybe it'll equate to an incredibly brilliant MMO! They say there's a fine line between genius and insanity. I just hope in this case that line isn't coke.
  • TitusCrow #16 4 years ago

    u cant be the beatles its true! wow are the beatles. but many software houses would be happy with being the monkies, cheezy,chirpy, nothing to say, but still successful.

    but maybe mythic want to be the beach boys :) so lets hope WAR turns out to be pet sounds!!! cause i get the feeling blizz are working on sgt peppers in the WotlK, or at least a revolver!
  • Zelos #17 4 years ago

    First rule of software development scheduling: think of the longest possible time the project could take if everything goes wrong, then double it. That's the very minimum it will *actually* take.
  • anomagnus #18 4 years ago

  • sneetch #19 4 years ago

    @Lurks
    "Tell you what, if WoW was flawed genius I wouldn't mind knowing what DAoC was :)"

    That's easy; it was awesome. :)

    DAoC got an awful lot of things right, it was the same grind fest that all MMOs were back then but I loved it for a long time, the RvR was excellent, the world was fine but definitely could have done with more quests. I haven't played in about 4 years but I don't think peoples machines or net connections were up to it at the time, at least mine wasn't, large scale battles turned into slide shows for me.

    I think that WAR will be the first MMO to improve on the mechanics of WoW (whether or not they've improved on the execution remains to be seen).

    @MaxiSleep

    Everyone producing an MMO needs to talk (internally at least) about WoW. It's the competition. If you don't have a way to compete you haven't a chance.