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Virtual Console Roundup Comments by Dan Whitehead

25 April, 2008

Phan Star 3, Double Dragon, World Games, Last Ninja.

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Inigo
25/04/08 @ 13:17
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Wow, Phantasy Star III was the first RPG i ever played and Double Dragon was the reason i bought the Sega Master System. *sniff*
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25/04/08 @ 13:23
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3/10 for Last Ninja.

Mkay, get out of here.You're fired.
JohnnyWashnGo
25/04/08 @ 13:25
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Yes, I used to love Last Ninja games but by god were they hard to control.
Even a stupid thing like picking up an item required pixel perfect positioning.

And don't even consider jumping over a river using logs because you could spend all weekend marking out the exact place to stand on each log with a marker pen on you TV set ;)
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mkreku
25/04/08 @ 13:27
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LEAVE MY CHILDHOOD HEROES ALONE!!1! (Last Ninja)
Skeletor
25/04/08 @ 13:30
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@mkreku

Blame greedy Nintendo. Oldschool stuff like Last Ninja should be free or given a proper remake!
jlaakso
25/04/08 @ 13:32
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The System 3 games are horrible to control without an old-fashioned joystick (Tac-2 all the way, baby). They never were very good in that respect to begin with, but yeah.
TriggerHippie
25/04/08 @ 13:39
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I'd give Last Ninja 4/10 just for the music :)

Didn't like it at the time? I remember hating the controls, being frustrated to the point of throwing my joystick away, but still being totally absorbed and compelled to keep playing. I guess I wasn't as critical, being a sage-like 15 year old at the time lol.

(Oooh 4 edits. One more and I level up!)
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spekkeh
25/04/08 @ 13:42
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Lol I remember the horribly broken controls and still occasionally wake up sweating at 3am with the vision of pixel perfect log jumping imprinted on my reddened retinas.

But anyways, being the next American Ninja reincarnate, or at least that's what I thought at age seven, I absolutely loved the games to death and would definitely download Last Ninja 3.
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25/04/08 @ 14:22
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Last Ninja was never any good at the time—people were bowled over by its graphics and admittedly excellent music. But it was always fiddly, with run-of-the-mill gameplay. The Wii version sounds utterly horrendous. Modern gamers should just download the HVSID collection to experience the best bit of the game.
krudster [mod]
25/04/08 @ 14:30
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Very odd that LN came out on the BBC 2 years later at a time when the Beeb was long dead as a gaming system. You learn something new every day.
BradMillette
25/04/08 @ 14:33
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Hey Dan, I hear Chrono Trigger is a pretty good game.
Waffleaber
25/04/08 @ 14:42
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Good. I hate Last Ninja.

I had it on the BBC Micro and couldn't play it for more than 5 minutes without getting killed. Once I played until I got eaten by a dragon and thought I'd done really well, but then I was 10 at the time.
brainbird
25/04/08 @ 14:54
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I'd give Last Ninja 4/10 just for the music :)

Abspolutely true, except the music deserves a 8/10 alone. Just leave the game if you don't like it and listen to the music. One of the best work ever done on the SID.
Tsk, those young people!

That said, it's still a complete rip-off, Nintendo.
haowan
25/04/08 @ 15:08
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Last Ninja was never good. Similarly, Last Ninja was always shit.
Nikanoru
25/04/08 @ 15:17
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Funny how, while everybody reckons Last Ninja always had shitty controls, the reviewer manages to put it down as a fault of the new controllers.
TriggerHippie
25/04/08 @ 15:44
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"Funny how, while everybody reckons Last Ninja always had shitty controls, the reviewer manages to put it down as a fault of the new controllers."

I suppose it wasn't the controls that were the problem for me, just getting the guy to land on those tiny bloody stones in the rivers :S

On a side note, half of the VC c64 releases and a great many other better games are available on those plug'n'play c64 joystick things. Much better value for those that don't have an old c64 knocking about. Mine still gets dragged out for drunken Laser Squad grudge matches :P
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Davemanz
25/04/08 @ 16:16
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Give me Super Double Dragon for SNES. I'll pay 20 fucking bucks for that game if they want. All other incarnations suck, but that one is absolutely incredible in difficulty, brutality, replayability, and (somehow) depth of combat. I want it so bad.
Xerx3s
25/04/08 @ 16:48
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"But...I never really liked it all that much."

Bias = fail.
siro
25/04/08 @ 17:33
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Played Last Ninja today and must say the music is teh awesome. Also I'd download World Games in an instant if I'd had someone to play with (knowing the original).
Skeletor
25/04/08 @ 17:47
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@Davemanz

Keep your "20 fucking bucks" and go for an SNES emulator on the PC.
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smelly
25/04/08 @ 18:01
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@Skeletor

Yeah.. and while you're at it.. download ALL your games for free.. why bother buying any game?

*Sigh*
VMerken
25/04/08 @ 18:13
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Waah waah I can't play a game so it's the game's fault I suck yeah that's right the game did it waah waah 3 out of 10 I am a games reviewer.

Pathetic.
dudefella
25/04/08 @ 21:02
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I think Square will NEVER release Chrono Trigger in Europe on any format simply out of spite. And the Final Fantasy games aren't on there for obvious reasons, as Square is still milking the franchise by re-releasing the buggers eighteen times.
OnlyMe
25/04/08 @ 23:19
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The Last Ninja games were never about action, to be fair. It was about exploring. They could've made the action slightly less annoying, though. The atmosphere in the games are top-notch, and the artistic style is lovely and colorful. But the controls have always annoyed me.

The controls were always flawed, but the game was always and will always be a classic.
steninja
26/04/08 @ 00:54
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last ninja MAXED ME THE HELL OUT! although the controls were awful, playing on a bbc micro keyboard was even more impossible

but who ever said it was easy being a ninja?
Davemanz
26/04/08 @ 06:32
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@Skeletor:
Yeah, I've done that, but I'd still pay to have it on the VC and be able to play it on my TV with friends.
The Bodybuilder
26/04/08 @ 09:27
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Wait wait wait, so let me just get this straight.....
You mean to tell me that thier were consoles BEFORE the playstation?
shadaik
26/04/08 @ 11:09
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Last Ninja 3/10. And while it is certainly true that PS III is considered the worst Phantasy Star, it is simply bullshit saying that the series as a whole is not good - PSII is among the best RPGs of its era. Could we please get someone who knows about video games to do those round-ups?
Fozzie_bear
26/04/08 @ 11:30
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"But...I never really liked it all that much."

Bias = fail.


Having an opinion = success
boyscout
26/04/08 @ 18:52
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3/10 for last ninja is silly low.
TheNinkyNonk
26/04/08 @ 20:55
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Dear Nintendo,

Why?

Yours,

IQ>100
oldie
27/04/08 @ 08:50
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Hello Eurogamer

Please buy an arcade joystick before reviewing any more Commodore 64 games on Virtual Console.


http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-113-...
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-113-...

Giving The Last Ninja 3/10 mainly because it's hard to control with a joypad seems a bit odd to me when there are joysticks out there. It plays wonderfully with both of the joysticks above. Truly wonderfully. So don't make people miss out on the C64 love just because of the controls. Just state in the review, below the score for example, that it should be played with a joystick, and give the game a proper score.
OnlyMe
27/04/08 @ 09:50
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Playing with a joypad wasn't the problem itself, but being forced to bring up the virtual keyboard every time you want to change inventory weapon/item or use item.
Daikon
27/04/08 @ 13:24
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@dudefella

Afaik Chrono Trigger was released on PSone in Europe.
Daikon
27/04/08 @ 13:25
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Oh and 3/10? tsk, tsk...
Where's the love?
Nikanoru
27/04/08 @ 17:01
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Playing with a joypad wasn't the problem itself, but being forced to bring up the virtual keyboard every time you want to change inventory weapon/item or use item.


I don't have any C64 VC titles myself so I can't try it, but would it be possible that they've allowed a USB keyboard to be used for that, since the Wii supports it in various other channels? Maybe someone could try.
OnlyMe
27/04/08 @ 17:04
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Chrono Trigger was never released in europe. It was released in the Final Fantasy Chronicles (together with FFIV) pack in america, but it's not the same as the european Chronicles pack, which contained FFIV and V instead.

So neither Chrono Cross or Trigger have ever seen a european release.
oldie
29/04/08 @ 18:47
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Playing with a joypad wasn't the problem itself, but being forced to bring up the virtual keyboard every time you want to change inventory weapon/item or use item.

Are you sure that you can't change items and weapons with any of the joypad buttons?
When playing with the NeoGeo-joystick you can change items and weapons with the buttons R and B. So with that one it works even better than on the original C64.

Don't miss out on this one people. Just buy a stick.
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BlueJedi360
23/05/08 @ 15:48
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I love the Last Ninja i had it on both the commodore 64 and the acorn electron the sequels were good two and theres loads of fan remakes on the offical fan site for the last ninja games.

My favourite commodore 64 games were cj elephant antics, last ninja, Flimbos quest, chase hq.

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