Used sales double Dead Space userbase Comments by Tom Bramwell

You know, to say that it "only scored 7/10" is just perpetuating the idea that anything below an 8 isn't worth your time. Getting a 7 should be a good, respectable score.

Wow was expecting another "ZOMG 2nd hand salez are killin uzz!!" type interview, but was pleasantly surprised.

There are odd scores in EG though, the last two games I played had their scores, at best, mixed up. 5/10 for Wolverine and 7/10 for Ninja Blade.

Eurogamers 7/10 unfarely put me off the game a little so I rented it (I am sure more than just me rented it)

I thoroughly enjoyed it and the week or so it took me to complete was about right for a rental. (so thanks for the 7/10!)

Single player story games have no replay value to the average consumer who'll only watch/play/read things once.

Just reduce the price to hook more on release - just don't try to force in multiplayer or grinding into the game in order to try to prove that it needs to be full retail price.

Or ensure that you have a DLC ready for after completion, release it 2 months after but ensure that there's a once-only coupon in the box for it, as well as available via pdlc.

I'd gladly take more stuff from visceral, but if it's single player only and purely story based, linear with no replay value i will flat out refuse to spend more than £20 on it, and will most likely just rent it.

Only the core of the core buy games at full price, or the stupid.

The 7/10 seemed fair to me, it put me off playing it until now (2nd hand) and for all the things it does right, it has little niggling flaws on the PC which break it a little for me.

Besides no horror game in space will ever equal System Shock 2 :P

Games are almost entirely out of the impulse purchase category for me because they're too expensive new and it's rare that a shop ever thinks that it might outsell its competitors by knocking even a fiver off vs the RRP they all so slavishly adhere to. But hey, wow, second hand games are cheap and I *do* impulse buy them!

"games, as movies and books, and pictures, and... memories are indeed collected and nursed in my kingdom. "

You are without doubt a nerd. Nothing wrong with that.

What memories?

The memories of you getting the last achievement in a game once again.

@AliRay
Loads of people must have rented this, surely? It's the sort of game you'd rent and blitz through in a short time. It would be very unwise for anyone to infer that there were 1.5m preowned sales of this game imo. 'OMG TEH EVILZ SECOND HAND MARKET' etc etc....

There's the thing, assuming it's 1.5 million second hand sales is a bit self-serving. How many rented or borrowed the (short) game?

Even if it actually was 1.5 million second hand sales (and no-one rented it or borrowed it from a friend) if there were no second hand sales then it could have been a lot fewer first hand sales. If people couldn't trade in a game against the cost of it new or sell on the game after playing it how many fewer copies would have sold?

I'm beginning to believe that the second hand market isn't quite the villain it's been painted as.

"I'd gladly take more stuff from visceral, but if it's single player only and purely story based, linear with no replay value i will flat out refuse to spend more than £20 on it, and will most likely just rent it. "

i cant' figure out why Dead Space isn't worth full price if you like that kind of stuff. It was superslick, technically brilliant and a hell of a ride. Sure replay value might be an issue, but that has nothing to do with price imo. You could well buy Halo 3 and never touch the multi, Not all of us feel the need to play every game 100 hours to get my money's worth, my backlog is way too big for that. Adding a deathmatch option seems to be standard nowadays but I never even try. Just not my thing. just like co-op, would kill a lot of the suspense in this game.

I wish I payed for fullprice for this instead of Gears 2 or Killzone, cause I still can't be bothered to finish those. At least Dead Space was what Resi 5 should have been. I'm buying DS2 day one that's for sure.

If I wouldnt have played the incredibly bad demo I might have gotten it.

@sneetch

I believe your right. The borrowing from a friend and renting the games probably is a bigger issue. Hard to solve so they blame it on retailers that sells preowned games. Stupid.

My copy possibly does not register on XBox Live because I am not connected to XBox Live.

The horror!

Bought it on release, completed it within a week and sold it while it was still worth something, if the game had been longer or worth a second visit I would have hung onto it. Maybe adding some downloadable content other than over priced weapon skins would have helped as well.

If people couldn't trade in a game against the cost of it new or sell on the game after playing it how many fewer copies would have sold?

I'm beginning to believe that the second hand market isn't quite the villain it's been painted as.

This

Honestly, the only thing I see wrong with the current system is the amount you get back for a game vs the price a second hand game sits on the shelf for. Other than that the balance is just about right.

Hmm...360 version for fifteen, or PC for a tenner?

I'm tempted by both - the 360 for the surround sound and proximity of the toilet, and the PC because it's a shooter and I always get on better with a mouse. Any advice?

I got the PC version but played it on the dowstairs telly with a 360 pad.

So I guess that's no help to you really, except to say I normally much prefer a mouse but this game worked quite nicely with a pad I thought. :P

edit: also, the surround sound was really something special in this game, so if you can't get that on your PC that's something I'd take into consideration too.

People RENT games and lend them to others as well, or did that slip his comments.

It's not really a shooter, the weapons are also quite wide in reach. No problem at all on 360.

I own a lot of games for my PS3, and funnily enough Dead Space is the only one I've bought used since Ratchet & Clank. And yeah, 7/10 is a little harsh for me too not that it really matters any more now everyone's played it.

Thanks for the insights. Looks like I'll be buying the 360 version then and cranking up the volume!!

"games, as movies and books, and pictures, and... memories are indeed collected and nursed in my kingdom. "

You are without doubt a nerd. Nothing wrong with that.

What memories?

The memories of you getting the last achievement in a game once again.

I'm not really sure what "nerd" means, I have a US buddy who once told me that nerd is rather offensive, but tbh I'm not sure, so I'm keeping a positive attitude. Anyway, if it means a collector, yes, I am. And my "memories" do are not but "Achievements" like you promptly and in every thread stalk me with. Memories are everything and I'm a fan of keeping them, just the other day I found my 10 years old copy of Nietsche Zaratrusta, and thought, what a pretentious litle cocky teen I was, and laughed out loud.

Don't all games of this type have the same problem? If there's limited replay value, then there's a good chance the game will get sold on or PXed for something else. I bet Bioshock has the same 'problem'. Maybe even Super Mario Galaxy.

Games need some form of quality MP included if publishers don't want people selling them on, or some other gameplay element that encourages retention. Is 'value-add' the correct jargon? Digital distribution may solve the 2nd hand market 'problem' eventually anyway.

Personally, I don't see a 2nd hand market for games as being a problem, but then I'm not a board-member or shareholder of a games company. I do hope that now they've quietened down somewhat about how to deal with piracy, they don't start trying to stigmatise 2nd hand sales - that would be plain greed. And plain stupid.

edit: I just read sneetch's comment . +1 there.

Single player only games aren't as long as they used to be. When I was a kid and had even more free time than I did now, stuff like Wing Commander and TIE Fighter and Twilight 2000 and Jungle Strike and Metroid II lasted for hours and hours and had loads of missions and you really did get £40 worth out of them.

Whereas with something like Dead Space (or indeed, Mirror's Edge) you can play through the whole thing and first think, "wow, what ride that was!" which is shortly followed by, "oh, and, er, that's it, then".

I'm not saying all single player games have to be 100 hour FFVII epics, but they have to give us more than an afternoon or a weekend or whatever's play or we won't be so keen to throw the ridiculous full price at it.

I'm playing through it right now and I must say, I'm enjoying it a hell of a lot more the Resident Evil 5! In fact I really quite like Dead Space. A few minor quibbles, but nothing major.

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"I'm not really sure what "nerd" means, I have a US buddy who once told me that nerd is rather offensive, but tbh I'm not sure"

Its not offensive at all unless you dont want to be one. Nothing wrong about being one. Nerds are usually quite intelligent on a technical level.

"like you promptly and in every thread stalk me with."

I try to stop - i really do. I cant help myself.

"Schofield was speaking as part of the apparently never-ending inquisition into why Dead Space (and Mirror's Edge) received good review scores and sold less than expected."

Come on! It's not exactly rocket science is it? Clearly the game was a superb example of its genre, but a genre that is nowhere near as popular as it once was.