Uncharted used less than half PS3's power Comments by Robert Purchese

Psm magazine said, uncharted looked and played better on a standard def tv.

@ penhalion:

And yet, it seems KZ2 manages to do it.

A little less conversation, a little more action please
All this aggravation aint satisfactioning me
A little more bite and a little less bark
A little less fight and a little more spark
Close your mouth and open up your heart and baby satisfy me
Satisfy me baby

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50...

"Data from the sales-tracking firm NPD reveals that retailers sold 267.8 million games in 2007, 36.4 million of which were PC titles. Console games brought in $6.6 billion, selling 153.9 million units total, while portable software hauled a record $2 billion in revenue with 77.5 million units sold."

You can't argue with the numbers... The portables are selling greater than 5x the amount of games that the PC is. EA may be making more money from PC, but that's from a select few games.

I agree that the PC market has MASSIVE potential, just not with the games that are being developed today. Didn't Crysis sell well becasue it was given away with some select GPUs?

*still plays C&C on PC - seriously can't be expected to do that on a pad*

You can't argue with the numbers...

I can, and I'm going to :)

Firstly NPD = USA, which does not reflect the market as a whole.

Secondly Im betting that that only covers physical sales bought from a shop.
I download virtually all of my PC games through Steam and other services.

Thirdly it also doesnt take into account monthly subscriptions for MMORPGs.

Didn't Crysis sell well becasue it was given away with some select GPUs?

No, Crysis did well becasue it was a bloody good game.

Also Counter Stirke is still the most popular online FPS currently out on any platform (I think) averaging at about 150,000 users at any give time. Phenomonal.

I knew you'd mention the NPD report.
NPD track US sales only and don't include downloads or MMO subs. Their figures are largely irrelevant.

Ha! Read the article, it totally includes WoW (most of the PC games market is from WoW).

I'm sorry guys, you can continue to argue your point (and I'm sure you will), BUT the PC games market is without a doubt in decline (not dead!) - check NVIDIA's stocks for the past five years. Look at the latest PC reviews on Eurogamer (many review in one article - just like they do for the DS), check the NPD data (or the European equivalent).

PC gaming is changing as a result - look at id next PC game, it's Quake 3 running within IE! It'll work for everyone!! Crysis on the other hand doesn't!!! I have a laptop with a 7900 and Crysis looks utter shite (I downloaded the demo FYI).

I'm really looking forward to Quake Live actually (it's the way forward), it means I can get a few mins of multiplayer without much hassle while the missus feeds the baby...

It may piss off you guys that just went out to but a 8X00 for you PC, but why the hell are you writing comments on a thread that's about the PS3?? To wave your virtual cock at people? 'My cock is much bigger than yours, only I can't use it'.

@ThePissartist

You bought the most graphically intense game ever made and are surprised it looks shit on a laptop? I have nothing to say to that.

You can try and twist the facts all you like, there are far more active PC users playing games online than ANY platform. Just look at the numbers for CS, WOW, BF, BF2142 etc.

P.s. We're on the 9 series now


What has a 'virtual-cock' got to do with anything? I thought we were having a discussion.

I thought you were a moron with your first comment, it turns out I was right. Thus I no longer have the inclination to argue with you.

'Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'

I'm surprised it used as much as 30-40% - I would have thought 30% max, simply because it was so early in the console's life cycle. I remember when all the PS3 fanboys were saying "yeah, Gears of War does look nice, but it's short and it's clearly already maxed out both the capacity of DVD and the power of the 360 - Microsoft's failbox has plateaud already." Gears of War 2 puts paid to those comments.

People seem woefully ignorant of console history and console fact - consoles are a fixed system, so no, you cannot upgrade parts when it gets a bit old, nor can you turn settings down to make the game run a bit better. You're stuck with whatever game the devs give you. However, by virtue of being a closed system, good (even mediocre) devs can squeeze far more power from a console than they ever could from a PC with better on-paper specs. Why should devs waste their time trying to optimise and eke out every last bit of power from a Radeon HD3850, when a) only a small percentage of their customers would have that card, b) there are at least a dozen different variations of the card anyway and c) users can either adjust settings in the menu or upgrade? It's no surprise that some of the best looking and impressive games for a console appear towards the end of its designated life - the devs have finally worked out all the little tricks and know all the optimisations they can realistically pull off.

Yes, console owners often have to put up with a new game that does not look as good as it does on a top of the range PC (Far Cry 2 case in point - console versions are placed at the mid-high PC level), but they don't have any of the worry and stresses. And will also get a far better looking and smoother running game than the vast majority of PC owners.

@ ThePissartist

Yes, it includes WoW, in terms of retail units sold, but it does *not* include the subscriptions it makes. Makes an absolutely monumental difference, seeing as that's 10 MILLION subscribers paying monthly fees.

Something which neither that article nor yourself take into account.

I'm sorry, but none of you have given any real jusification to your argument.

Put your head into the sand and keep telling yourself that 2, 5, and 10 year old games make money for a platform that's undergoing serious change. Try to convince yourself it might not happen because someone from EA's PR department told you not to worry.

This has been a fun thread - cheers for the conversation, despite your obvious frustration with me, I have no problems with you. :)

10 MILLION subscribers paying monthly fees.

(cheapest is $12.99 p/month)

Then you:

Put your head into the sand and keep telling yourself that 2, 5, and 10 year old games make money for a platform that's undergoing serious change.

Im going to repeat my quote:

'Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'

Xbox Live?

You tried to use flawed sales figures to prove your point, and it's us that's not provided any justification?
The PC market is changing, that's all. It's still making plenty of money and holds a significant market share, but none of the current data we have is relevant as it doesn't take into account revenue from downloads, subscriptions and casual gaming. And yes, 5 year old games are well worth taking into consideration when those titles are generating millions for the developers. You can ignore that if you like, but it doesn't change the facts.

By refusing to accept that your poorly-informed arguments and conclusions are incorrect, you are the only person who appears to have their head in the sand.

Xbox Live?

Yeah, what about it? This isn't a console vs PC argument. We know consoles are popular and make lots of cash, nobody is disputing that.

Apparently, ThePissartist believes that an extra $1.6 billion on the side of PC gaming, provided just by WoW subs is irrelevant. Never mind the fact that it more than doubles the number his precious linked-to article states PC games garner, nor that it still doesn't take into account paid-for downloads, nor that PC games are always much cheaper than their console counterparts.

But maybe that's because we are sticking our heads in the sand, eh?

Yes. That must be it.

Edit: My typist has been sacked for being fat-fingered. Trained monkeys is such a misnomer.

Call of Duty 4 sales of 2007 (yes, I understand it's for USA):

PC version: 383,000
Xbox 360 version: 3.04 million
PS3 version: 'over 2 million'

Halo 3 sold 8.1 million units in 2007, that's greater than all of the top 10 PC game combined and it was released in October!!!

Show me your numbers!! Also, it might be worth checking out XBL's film and game sales.

Nuff said.

Ps. all you've done is prove that Blizzard are very, VERY rich! :)

Does the P$3 inform you if one or more of the 'Cells' is defective with a red ring or does it just pretend everything is ok?

This is the last I am going to say in this thread becasue you seem a tad dim and its getting on my nerves.

Show me your numbers!!!

err, did you even read our posts!?

I dont know how many times we have got to say this for it to sink in, Im trying one last time.

Those sales figures count the store bought retail versions, not the ones bought from digital downloads!

Thought we'd been through this? There are no PC sales figures worth considering until someone actually takes into account all the possible revenue streams. You seem to be on some kind of pro-console crusade but nobody is trying to claim that the PC makes more money than consoles, simply pointing out that there is still plenty of life in the PC as a gaming platform, but that the market is changing. If a game like Crysis can sell over 1.5m (and let's not forget this doesn't include the download sales numbers) despite the rampant piracy and idiots claiming you need a £5k system to run it, or Gothic 3 can do 500k in retail worldwide in spite of it being a broken niche RPG, then I reckon it is in pretty good health.

Ps. all you've done is prove that Blizzard are very, VERY rich! :)

Totally irrelevant. EA is very, very rich too, does that mean we should ignore all the money from EA sports and The Sims? That'd be a fair old chunk. Are you being deliberately stupid, or does it come naturally?

Ignorance, for you people, really IS bliss. ;)

less than half the PS3's power you say? That explains why it's shit then.

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06-Aug-08 13:23:28

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lol 'Watch out! Merk's about!'
cue annoying Beadle music...


hardly matters tbh, for those companies who actually want to make money,
its a rare studio that can afford independent development cycles for each platform...
most likely it'll be another case of 'lowest common denominator' development.