Uncharted: Drake's Fortune Review

By Kristan Reed Published 14 November, 2007

One to treasure.

Version tested: PlayStation 3

Having released four Jak games in as many years (and four Crash Bandicoot games before that), it's hardly a great shock that Naughty Dog wanted to do something completely different on PS3. But the surprise is just how different Uncharted is compared to anything it has done before.

Gone is the Day-Glo cartoon cuteness and coin-collecting kleptomania of old, and in comes an action-adventure which sits somewhere between the architectural beauty of Ico and Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, and the combat intensity of Resident Evil 4 and Gears of War. Far from being just another Tomb Raider, Uncharted, at times, feel like a wish-list of all the best bits of your favourite action games of the past five years.

Of course, Naughty Dog's Evan Wells and his friends probably wouldn't admit that, preferring as they do to talk of Uncharted as more of a homage to classic action hero romps, but whatever the 'tributes' this fine game possesses, it all adds up to arguably the finest PlayStation 3 exclusive yet.

Draking it in

Starring the improbably athletic treasure hunter Nathan Drake, the game picks up the thread with our chiselled no-nonsense hero on the trail of Sir Francis Drake, the famed 16th Century explorer that he believes is one of his distant ancestors. Sailing just off the Panamanian coast, he manages to locate what he believes to be the coffin of the Elizabethan mariner. The body's missing, but inside is a diary that's believed to hold the secret to an unimaginable treasure - and right on cue, a bunch of gun-toting pirates appear, open fire and eventually sink the dive boat. But fellow treasure hunter Victor Sullivan arrives to whisk both Nathan Drake and cable TV documentary camerawoman/host Elena Fisher to safety.

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The lone on-rails shooting chase sequence: dumb fun, but how can blowing up endless goons in jeeps with a grenade launcher not be maximum fun?

And so your adventuring truly begins. After a bit of greedy skulduggery, Nathan and Victor spirit off to the dense Amazonian jungle, leaving a disgruntled Ms Fisher behind - but not for long. After an initial struggle to adapt to the rather loose feeling controls and wobbly aiming mechanics (no tutorial, see), the game soon starts to come into its own with a satisfying mix of palm-sweating acrobatics and exciting duck n' cover combat that proves to be instantly and enduringly engaging.

The first thing that Naughty Dog absolutely nails is the way Drake moves. Thanks to some revelatory motion capture techniques, every physical interaction with the world feels fluid, satisfying and as natural as anything I've played. This assured sense of physical presence breeds confidence in your ability to pull off quite complex and daring manoeuvres - whether the gameplay is focused on combat situations or pure adventuring aspects. That ability to leap around from behind a pillar and roll between cover points is handled brilliantly, with all of the flexibility of something like Gears of War, but a far far greater degree of intuitiveness.

Jigsaw falling into place

In a game where the split between combat and platforming is about 50-50, you don't want one aspect of the game to be any less fun than the other. Such imbalances nearly always cause you to resent the disparity, and it's evidently something that Naughty Dog has worked extremely hard to avoid. Rather than the game's ongoing narrative and action feeling like a sequence of vaguely connected set-pieces, most of the chapters in the game flow expertly into one another. At times, this carefully 'directed', orchestrated approach lets the action and adventure ebb and flow in pace, drama and atmosphere. It feels like a journey, albeit a particularly fraught and dangerous one where imminent death lurks around every crumbling corner.

2

Rarely has pulling off headshots with a crappy pistol felt this satisfying. You won't even want to use the AK47 half the time.

When Nathan slips into Tomb Raider mode, the game almost delights in making your palms sweat, never missing a trick to give you a hairy series of leaps and climbs to pull off - usually with a hefty dose of vertigo and crumbling scenery awaiting should you falter for a moment. But unlike the unforgiving games of old, it's not a game that relies on pixel-perfect stupidity to make the leaps of faith required to continue. If you're teetering on the edge, the game will give you time to react, and, likewise, the autograb feature means that when you make any kind of jump, there's an automatic assumption that you'll want to grab on the nearest or most likely item of scenery.

It probably sounds a bit dumbed down, but it just makes the whole thing so much more playable and far less of a frustrating ol' heap of trial and error. Another nice touch during your leaping and climbing is the way the camera often tilts towards an appropriate angle on your behalf to help steer you in the right direction. So many games in the past would frustrate the hell out of you by giving no clear clue on where you were supposed to be heading, whereas Uncharted seems to actively want to keep you immersed and entertained instead of wandering around cluelessly clicking or jumping on everything in the vain hope of it being the right path.

And if, even after all that, you're still a bit stuck, the game's in-built hint system gives you the option of being prodded in a particular direction, or, simply, what to do ("shoot the barrels, moron," it might as well say at one point) by hitting L2 after a few minutes of wandering. Fortunately, such tips aren't always complete give-aways, more in a gentle 'stop faffing around and get your arse over here' kind of way - again, similar to Gears of War with its 'press Y to look at this' approach. Very much a good move, I reckon.

On the whole, although the adventuring elements won't exactly stretch any grizzled hardcore platform puzzling veterans, there's something hugely impressive and graceful about Naughty Dog's approach to this element. Visually spectacular in a way that hints of a deep admiration of the vertiginous architectural splendour of Ico, the comparisons don't end there. It also shares that fluidity of the movement, albeit benefiting from a much more reliable, assured control system and more helpful camera system - such things are deserving of such a remarkable technical achievement. When the team reflects on the making of video that it has some of the most talented people in the business working for them, you'll believe it.

Gears of GRAW

As for the combat, it's similarly up to the same high standards set elsewhere. At first, though, this seems unlikely, with the initial boat raid giving you absolutely no hint as to how much fun the fire-fights will become later on. Within a few quick chapters shooting the array of hapless goons is, without doubt, compulsively entertaining. Borrowing from all the best equivalents of recent years, it plumps for an 'aim and fire' approach which feels somewhere between Resident Evil 4, GRAW and Gears of War, albeit slicker and with a far greater control over your character than all of them. Using L1 to aim and R1 to fire, the viewpoint switches from a basic third-person view to the now-fashionable over-the-shoulder style (albeit more dynamic, depending on where you are) giving you a nice close-up view of Nathan's choppy barnet.

But open-air combat is generally ill-advised, and the first thing you have to learn is that cover is king - and if you're exposed to enemy fire, you won't be able to take more than about half a dozen shots before the screen drains of colour and you're heading back to the most recent checkpoint. But by simply pressing circle next to a cover point - be it a low wall, crate or pillar - Nathan dynamically positions himself accordingly, meaning there's no need to crouch toggle or anything like that. Sidling up to the edge of your cover point, all you have to do is hold down the left trigger to pop out from behind it, and release it to go back into cover, making it a simple equation to safely loose off a few shots in the knowledge that you can nip back into a safe spot instantly.

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Small things you'll love #1: the cloth physics and the way the creases in your clothes look so right

But that's not to say the game's enemies make it easy for you. One of the most impressive things about the game is the determined AI routines, showing again that Naughty Dog really isn't messing around with this game. Unlike so many tired, generic action games down the years, you get the impression that the enemies in Uncharted have been designed to properly flush you out from cover. They'll continually lob well-placed grenades, try to visibly outflank you, and often work as a team between cover points and try and get in behind you. It's maddening as hell to become the victim of your own stupidity when this happens to you, but you have to admire the mechanics at work that set these dynamic situations up. These guys aren't clueless borg that follow a set path, but visibly respond to the threat in front of them, changing their own tactics in relation to the cover point you decide to take up.

30 seconds of pun

Sure, Uncharted is full of repetitive combat mechanics, but just like Bungie's acclaimed '30 seconds of fun over and over' approach in Halo, Uncharted's combat is so well honed that there's never a point where you're groaning 'not again' just because you're facing the same sort of character models over and over. Being picky, I'd admit that enemy variety isn't the game's strong point, mainly because you're fighting men with pistols, assault rifles, shotguns, grenades, sniper rifles and other conventional firearms. The variety doesn't come so much from them but nor does it need to. The environments, scenarios and situations always seem to provide a fresh challenge, and there's never necessarily one set route to do it, so the combat still feels fresh by the end - mind you, with the game length clocking in at about the seven or eight hour mark, the game doesn't last long enough to ever get boring anyway, but that's another matter.

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It's not all that evident from this shot, but the water effects in Uncharted are just ridiculously lovely. Dive in.

Talking of environments, it's hard to think of a single game that's ever included such lush and staggeringly detailed gaming environment. As much as Gears of War provided a stunning next-generation shooter setting, the moody greys and browns made it a harsh, dark, hostile, and monochromatic place to be. In Uncharted, it's not just superior to Gears in terms of out and out detail, but brings a feel-good factor with the sheer level of environmental variety on offer. Covering the full spectrum from 'destroyed beauty' to lush, tropical jungles (and all points in between), it has the kind of action adventure template that Eidos and Crystal Dynamics must be looking at with a great deal of envy right now. In truth, it may take years before rival brands find themselves with game engines as effortlessly capable as this one. Truly, Uncharted is the first game I've seen to date that makes me wonder if it could be done on the Xbox 360, and as a huge admirer of the software line-up on Microsoft's system, that's saying a lot. [And it's going to get us in trouble again. -Frowny Ed]

And because the game has had such an amazing level of detail lavished on every single scene, when things calm down and you're creeping through the bowels of deserted old monasteries, or flooded, once-proud towns, the sheer atmosphere that the game evokes is immense. Sometimes I like to refer to gaming tourism, where just walking through the game feels like fun unto itself - and this is definitely a game that does that.

In its full 1080p glory, I can safely say most people will be absolutely blown away by the craft that has gone into making the world come alive. The dusty, crumbling ruins, the dense, tropical forests, and even the water effects - they're above and beyond anything committed to a gaming canvas to date. Yes, at the end of the day it's just eye candy, but what eye candy! Isn't this one of the reasons we look forward to new technology? To reiterate, when you factor in immensely fluid animation, superb controls, a flawless, ever-helpful camera system, decent enemy AI and an engaging non-cringeworthy storyline, the fact that there's also a visual feast on show is something to celebrate.

Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Drake

And to top it all, even the audio's worthy of serious acclaim. Scored by non other than Greg Edmondson (of Firefly fame), the orchestral backdrop provides a suitably bombastic yet timeless accompaniment that's dictated by the ebb and flow of the action, never dominating proceedings, and always on hand to provide an appropriate palette that truly adds to an already dramatically involving game. Like a good film, you don't necessarily notice it when you're immersed, but in a sense that's one of the reasons you're drawn into it. It sets the tone for the action and, again, Naughty Dog's game has really benefited from this slavish attention to detail.

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A fairly typical scene of lonesome adventuring, where you start to appreciate just how slick the control and camera systems really are.

Same deal for the voice acting and commitment to making the characters warm humoured and sympathetic, rather than cheesy action caricatures which blight so many big-budget videogames. The decision to go for the classic action hero approach has really paid off, and if Naughty Dog was ever hired to do an Indiana Jones game, you can bet it'd be absolutely spot-on.

Many observers will correctly report that Uncharted hasn't got the longest single-player campaign in history, but part of the reason it took only eight hours for me to finish wasn't just the fact that it wasn't enormously difficulty, but that it's one of the few games I've played in recent times that doesn't choose to pad out the game in stupid and unnecessary ways - and if you're stuck, the game actively tries to help you move on. With such a commitment to keeping the game fun, you'll probably finish it, then go back and try and crack some of the game's many achievements, and seek out those treasures you missed.

Again, like Ico or Gears or War, I'd argue that it's actually the perfect length for a game of this type - just long enough to feel like you've got your money's worth, but short enough to make you want to play it again, maybe on a harder level (for the record, there is an extra unlockable level of difficulty if you fancy a challenge).

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Gratuitous shot of the 'unconventionally beautiful' Ms Fisher, your ever-helpful partner for much of your adventures. Allegedly related to Isla.

The fact that Uncharted: Drake's Fortune has ended up so good has come as a real surprise, given that there was never any real 'buzz' around it leading up to its release. But, thinking about it, when has Naughty Dog ever let us down? Given a fresh platform and a new lease of life with a radically different style of game, it has carefully pieced together the best bits of all your favourite action adventures and come up with a fundamentally focused offering that's easily as good, if not better than any of them.

By focusing on keeping things fun at all times, it might not be considered the most expansive or ambitious game out there. It doesn't have a free-form openworld, but this is proof - if it were needed - that making a linear action game is nothing to be sneered at. By starting with a great control and camera system, building on that with excellent combat and a wonderful spin on Ico's platform adventuring, and then topping it off with a decent storyline, Naughty Dog has cooked up one of the most relentlessly entertaining, fat-free games to emerge in ages. Topped off with the most stunning use of the PS3's underused technical prowess yet, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is, for my money, the first must-have PlayStation 3 title.

9 / 10

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About Kristan Reed

Kristan is a former editor of Eurogamer, dad, Stone Roses bore and Norwich City supporter who sometimes mutters optimistically about Team Silent getting back together.

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  • philw #1 5 years ago

    Huzzah!

    /now goes back to read through review :)

  • rashes #2 5 years ago

    Damit...! Now I have to get a PS3.....!

  • dadrester #3 5 years ago

    ooh. unexpected!

  • Steroyd #4 5 years ago

    Naughty Dog you have not failed me...EVER! \o/

    *dances streets naked*

  • mossychops001 #5 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:49:27 04-05-2012

  • The_Inquisitor #6 5 years ago

    I played the demo yesterday for the first time and loved it. Seeing a 9 wasn't such a surprise, but I'm happy anyway as it's just what the PS3 needs.

  • bushwod #7 5 years ago

    Eh? Why did the pic on the home page change?

    Anyway, unexpected but great to hear, I was really worried about this but sounds like Lara got some competition.

  • JayeM #8 5 years ago

    :D

    Just what the PS3 needed.

  • SeesThroughAll #9 5 years ago

    Just before "the usual suspects" do it:

    Meh, I really haven't seen anything in it that couldn't be done on a 360. If anything, the textures are horrible, it's just like a PS2 game!

    ps3lol

  • Altrezia #10 5 years ago

    Good review, looks like a nice game. might pick up a copy after payday.

  • Blerk #11 5 years ago

    Blimey, eh?

  • Spydez #12 5 years ago

    This is the first PS3 title to make me strongly consider buying the console. Well, it had to happen sometime.

  • quantumsheep #13 5 years ago

    Blimey!

    /reads

  • JohnnyM Verified , Eurogamer.net #14 5 years ago

    High-five for the Radiohead ref, Krudster!

  • RedPanda #15 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 14:31:59 28-01-2012

  • tonynibbles #16 5 years ago

    Another great PS3 game. Fuck EDGE's 8/10!

    Ball is officially rolling! Plenty more to come up till christmas!

  • Azazel #17 5 years ago

    Pre-emptive strike? It sure does work in the military world. But I feel obligated to once again reiterate my point that the console war is not in fact a 'war' but a 'Cluster-Fuck of Retardation®'.

    Oooh this game sounds good though doesn't it?

  • mazzl #18 5 years ago

    so xbox360 has crackdown and ps3 has drake's fortune, to bad for AC ;)

  • myiagros #19 5 years ago

    refered to as Uncharted: Drakes Progress several time during but otherwise a great review.

    Game sounds awsome, and looks like it will more than live up to the promise shown by the trailer some years ago. Cant wait for next week when my copy will arrive from the US.

    This is the game i've been looking foward to most, and COD4 & Assassins Creed will have to wait till i'm finished with this.

  • Psychotext #20 5 years ago

    Good score. Not really my kind of game but it's nice to see the titles coming.

  • mkreku #21 5 years ago

    "Truly, Uncharted is the first game I've seen to date that makes me wonder if it could be done on the Xbox 360, and as a huge admirer of the software line-up on Microsoft's system, that's saying a lot."

    What. The. Fuck?

  • AcidSnake #22 5 years ago

    This is getting ridiculous...
    It's Tiny Tim with his God bless everyone...
    Lots of ace games for all the systems, good times for all!
    (Errr...right?)

  • SeesThroughAll #23 5 years ago

    "Truly, Uncharted is the first game I've seen to date that makes me wonder if it could be done on the Xbox 360, and as a huge admirer of the software line-up on Microsoft's system, that's saying a lot."

    What. The. Fuck?

    Maybe he just never played Motorstorm, who knows?

  • Runtime #24 5 years ago

    Can anyone confirm the actual Euro release date for this?

    Is it December 7th?

  • krudster #25 5 years ago

    See it for yourself.

  • Yaster #26 5 years ago

    dadrester: "ooh, enexpedted"

    Only for the fact that Eurogamer would give a PS3 game a good review.

    Always knew it was going to be a winner though as all the previews sounded promising and the demo was top notch.

    Glad this remained a PS3 exclusive. Ahem, you can keep Assassins Creed for now :p
    Edited by Yaster at 14/11/07 @ 10:53

  • GamesConnoisseur #27 5 years ago

    ABOUT TIME!

    Finally a real MUST have title that non PS3 owners will be tempted to get PS3 for! Didn't think demo was an indication of full 10 out of 10 but thought it was great and have me salivating for the proper game!

    Despite the long wait, finally get to a point where PS3 technical prowess is realised so clearly and visually.

    Such as Gear of War was for X360, where people heads were made to turn and in similar timeline for PS3 now a year on.

  • Steroyd #28 5 years ago

    What. The. Fuck?

    "makes him wonder"

    Yeah Uncharted puts all the technical trickery of many games into one package, could be a title truley built for the system.

    Which is why I appreciate exclusively made games more than multiplatform built.

  • krudster #29 5 years ago

    Tearing? TV dependent I guess. Didn't notice it on my screen, maybe it's visible on some makes and models and not others.

    Popup? That's the biggest non-issue ever. It's easily one of the most beautiful games ever.

    And yes, I did play Motorstorm, and it didn't impress me as much as it evidently did some of you.

  • espadachin #30 5 years ago

    /pre-orders

  • BiscuitBase #31 5 years ago

    Not enough to make me want to get a ps3

  • Steroyd #32 5 years ago

    Always knew it was going to be a winer though as all the previews sounded promising and the demo was top notch.

    But we've seen it before where all the previews sound promising but the final game falls flat see AssCreed review.

    Haven't completely read all 3 pages yet (what's with your 3 page reviews who are you IGN?), but is there zero loading times in the whole game like the demo? I found that absolutely amazing that they weren't even hidden in the cutscenes ala Heavenly Sword, I want to know where and when the game is loading all this stuff damn Naughty Dog and their technical wizardry. :)

  • Wendelius #33 5 years ago

    This is probably the first game that makes me want to get a PS3 too. All the other games I'm interested in, I could get on the PC and 360. But if the PS3 gets soem exclusives like this, I'll have no qualms whatsoever getting one too.

    Thanks for the well written review. It makes the game VERY tempting. :)

    Wendelius

  • Xerx3s #34 5 years ago

    /wants

  • tonynibbles #35 5 years ago

    OMG TEH GAME ONLY USEZ 30% POWERS OF TEH CELLZ PROCESSORZ CIALIS!!!!!11!

    http://www.psu.com/PSU-talks-Uncharted-w...
    Edited by tonynibbles at 14/11/07 @ 11:04

  • Xerx3s #36 5 years ago

    See it for yourself.

    Err, isn't the whole point of a review to point things out so we won't have unpleasant surprises? 0_o

  • Stormflood #37 5 years ago

    Phew. I was seriously concerned after all the hype. Looking forward to it :)

  • CrumpledPaper #38 5 years ago

    "ZOMG TEH GAME ONLY USEZ 30% POWERS OF TEH CELLZ PROCESSORZ CIALIS!!!!!11!"

    Omggzors!!!

    But seriously, the thought of what Naughty Dog will eventually be able to do with PS3 makes me all kinds of giddy.

    Uncharted sounds really hot.

  • DUFFMAN5 #39 5 years ago

    This is the first real reason to buy a PS3, now I just need 10 more,actully MGS and rumble make it 3, so 7 more in fact,getting there.

  • peterfll #40 5 years ago

    The demo was great but technically I didn't think it showed anything that couldn't be done on the 360. It also ran in 720p (not 1080p)? Did anyone else notice this?

    The tearing was quite bad in places, so whilst I don't knock that this is possibly the best must-have PS3 exclusive, I'm yet to be convinced it can be held up as the first example of technical gaping gulf between the PS3 and 360?
    Edited by peterfll at 14/11/07 @ 11:07

  • Slamhound #41 5 years ago

    We're now reaching a point where, no matter what system or company you pledge your undying alliegance to, it's a bloody good time to be a gamer.

    Well done, us.

  • Stoatboy #42 5 years ago

    Hmm - the review seems overly gushing to me. I'm a fan of short games myself, but when a review tries to turn what most people would consider a failing - short single player campaign - into a positive, I start to question it. Several other sections felt similarly over-enthusiastic. In the end, it still sounds like a great game, but I'm not convinced it's going to be as great as the review paints it. Could just be me being a cynical old git though.

  • Dizzy #43 5 years ago

    >A good PS3 game? Where did that come from?

    Surely this is not the first 9 for a PS3 game.

    Naughty Dog always seems to pick genres with some stiff competition. I wonder how this will do sales wise... will it be able to outdo Tomb Raider?

  • malteaserhead #44 5 years ago

    Good news this didn't turn out shite. \o/

  • Kenshin001 #45 5 years ago

    I actually read this review first instead of skipping to the score and it read like a 10. Good read BTW. Pretty unexpected to be honest, I was expecting a solid but not great game. Glad I've ordered it now especially considering most of my Most Wanted have turned out turkeys.

  • oreillymj #46 5 years ago

    Played the demo on Sunday and it's lush.

    There is a bit of tearing during some of the camera moves, but there also a beautiful cinematic affect applied to the gfx when you turn the camera quickly. Kinda like motion blur but very subtle.

    However it was the DTS surround mix that blew me away. The music is quite beautiful but the in game sound really adds to the atmosphere.

    I'm glad the full game looks like it is going to live up the the demo after the Heavenly Sword/Lair debacles.

    Now I need to crack on and finish COD4.

  • CrumpledPaper #47 5 years ago

    "The demo was great but technically I didn't think it showed anything that couldn't be done on the 360."

    It's always risky saying that this or that game couldn't be done on 360, because hopefully we haven't yet seen the best that that system has to offer. Down the line it may well offer something with as impressive technical chops, or better. So you're always going out on a bit of a limb when you say something like that..particularly when it's a first or second gen PS3 game you're referring to.

    That said, it is easier to say that it's not yet matched on 360.

  • Nikanoru #48 5 years ago

    "By focusing on keeping things fun"

    "a linear action game"



    Well that's an oxymoron.

    I kid, I kid. ;) Or do I?

  • Triggerhappytel #49 5 years ago

    I wasn't expecting a nine... The videos have looked a little ropey IMO.

    Good for the PS3 though. Hopefully this will shut up the naysayers now and the system can start to prove itself.

    Good work ND, back on form after a couple of dissapointing Jak games.

  • mazk #50 5 years ago

    I love it when people argue with a reviewer's OPINIONS, especially when they've not played the game themselves.

    Nice review though krudster, with the stupid amount of great games out this christmas I was gonna let this one slip past me. But now I think I'll drop assasins creed.

    I'm so glad the PS3 has a game I want to buy. Who's touched their PS3 since buying it? I played motorstorm and resistance for about 5 minutes each and thats it.

  • krudster #51 5 years ago

    Of course, it's all blind speculation to say this or that couldn't be done on another system, but I did say it "makes me wonder" rather than a statement of fact. I await a 360 game to appear that looks as good as this, basically. They just upped the ante.

  • peterfll #52 5 years ago

    Personally playing something like Motorstorm makes me think "I wonder if the 360 could do this?" and then I'll play PGR4 and - whilst accepting the game mechanics are quite different - PGR4 will also prove the 360's graphical fidelty can still "wow" me.

    Anyhow - Uncharted - 1080p or not? The demo ran in 720p on my machine.

  • septimus #53 5 years ago

    Good news the rest of the game holds up to the demo's promising start.

  • peterfll #54 5 years ago

    Also, my Xmas list of games is growing. I was looking forward to shutting myself away with Mario and The Orange Box next month. Now there's this to consider too. And possibly Ratchet. And Metroid Prime 3. And I'm only starting to scratch the surface with PGR4.

    And I haven't finished Bioshock yet!

    I did finish Halo 3.

    \does special spartan dance

  • Kiigan #55 5 years ago

    I appreciate that Kristan really digs the game and that's fine, but I'd still encourage you all to grab the demo before parting with any money. I have a lot of respect for the Naughty Dog pedigree but I personally was very disappointed with the Uncharted demo.

    For one thing, the v-sync tearing problems that plagued Jak 2 and Jak 3 is back. The characters appear to be instantly despisable, as well suffering a bit of "uncanny valley" syndrome. The gunplay seemed deeply unsatisfying too - a tiny little reticle, the auto-aim not really forgiving enough, and taking far too much bullets to bring down even the first few enemies you encounter. The platforming elements seem to work well enough, but the lush foilage looks like garish green walls rather than dense jungle, and the whole thing feels like a sub-par corridor shooter with some thin platform elements tacked on. Lastly, the tilt-sensor shit for balancing when crossing narrow beams etc is utter shit, and there was no option to turn it off.

    I'm just speaking about the demo. I haven't played the final version of the game yet, so I can't really disagree with the review but as I say, play the demo for yourselves and decide whether the game deserves your hard-earned.

  • tonynibbles #56 5 years ago

    Uncharted is in 720p with 1080i support.

  • Steroyd #57 5 years ago

    Oh god if I could get a discount on R&C when i'm buying UDF i'll dance the streets naked. o_O

  • LeD #58 5 years ago

    Great stuff, I'll be picking this up for sure, and it will join Folklore and EoJ in my growing collection of PS3 gems.

  • BadBoyBonner #59 5 years ago

    Steroyd

    "zero loading times in the whole game like the demo? I found that absolutely amazing that they weren't even hidden in the cutscenes ala Heavenly Sword, I want to know where and when the game is loading all this stuff? Damn Naughty Dog and their technical wizardry."

    Answer

    The cutscenes are all prerendered using the game engine (so you can not tell the difference graphically) - allowing it to load in the data while playing them.

    Here's the link to the article that Naughty Dog mention this...
    http://www.psu.com/PSU-talks-Uncharted-w...

  • peterfll #60 5 years ago

    disc - can you elaborate? Would be good info for purchasing considerations.....

    Kiigan: agree the environments look a little hyper-realistic, I believe this was a conscious design decision by ND. Agree with your comment on despicable characters; interesting isn't it? I just accept these things without question. I wonder if you can shoot the annoying bird side-kick?

  • dllord #61 5 years ago

    The only game that makes me want a PS3.....

    Still not buying one tho!

  • SBfistfun #62 5 years ago

    "Uncharted is the first game I've seen to date that makes me wonder if it could be done on the Xbox 360"

    answer = yes

  • Gurgeh #63 5 years ago

    "Uncharted is in 720p with 1080i support. "

    Yeah I wondered about that remark on "1080p glory" - unless you've got a very large screen and you'e sitting close to it most people aren't able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, especially as most HDTVs don't actually render either resolution and scale the image anyway.

  • Garulon #64 5 years ago

    "Uncharted is in 720p with 1080i support. "

    So it was just more fanboi fodder. Tsk!

  • RamblinSydRumpo #65 5 years ago

    The review reads like a 10.

  • tobi #66 5 years ago

    I cant wait for Dec 7!

  • mazk #67 5 years ago

    @frod

    Maybe, but there are better games out where you dont have to trawl through hours of dullness to get to some good stuff. Kristan memntioned it in the review as well.

    People say ICO etc are too short, but I'd much rather an 8 hour constantly great experience to a 20 hour game that has really dull bits between the good. Resistance especially was really dull.

  • robg #68 5 years ago

    (an Xbox fan)

    Read the Halo 3 review.
    Read this review.
    Be surprised at the numbers at the end of the reviews.

  • SeesThroughAll #69 5 years ago

    Anybody who owns all three consoles will be bankrupted this winter.

    Confirmed.

  • krudster #70 5 years ago

    All I'll say regarding the demo is that my first impressions of the game were broadly in line with everything Kiigan is saying. But that just goes to show how wrong first impressions can be, because halfway through the game I couldn't believe how much my opinion of the game had evolved, from mildly impressed but with serious reservations to realising it was one of the best of the year thanks to one 'wow' moment after the other.
    Edited by krudster at 14/11/07 @ 11:38

  • Pastici #71 5 years ago

    Sounds good, but seems more fitting to rent at that length. =/

  • drumbaby #72 5 years ago

    This is the game I've been waiting for.

  • barat #73 5 years ago

    Interestingly, Naughty Dog claim they only used around 30% of the consoles graphical power:

    [link url=http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=2&cId=3164368
    ]http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager....[/link]

    Makes you wonder how their games by the end of the PS3 life cycle will look like...

  • Killerbee #74 5 years ago

    Great review. I was almost anticipating a 10 by the end of it. :)

    This is the first PS3 game that actually makes me feel like I want a PS3 in order to actually play something, rather than just the usual "ooh, shiny toy" compulsion I get from time to time.

  • Steroyd #75 5 years ago

    The cutscenes are all prerendered using the game engine (so you can not tell the difference graphically) - allowing it to load in the data while playing them.

    But why no loading screen pops up when I click on skip cutscene? Like I said it doesn't do it like Heavenly Sword.

  • GamesConnoisseur #76 5 years ago

    SeeThroughAll
    'Anybody who owns all three consoles will be bankrupted this winter.

    Confirmed. '

    We need to set up a self help group for multi platform owners who have problems not getting 'must haves' for ALL the platforms.

    Sometimes getting urges to get the game on day of release even though you still not finished MP3, Eternal Sonata or whatever!

    Too much of a good thing, soooo many good games!

    Heeeelllllp!!!

    /Ponders if bank robbing would help to fund my gaming lifestyle

  • SeesThroughAll #77 5 years ago

    Maybe it just manages the HDD cache more efficiently.

  • Royal Fool #78 5 years ago

    But, thinking about it, when has Naughty Dog ever let us down?

    I'd have to say Jak II.

  • Apologie #79 5 years ago

    LOL all i want to say to the Xbots out there... is to shut up talking shit, put one finger up the ass, smell it, get real..., go out and buy it.

    Great game, i knew it.

    quote from the reviewer "Uncharted is the first game I've seen to date that makes me wonder if it could be done on the Xbox 360, and as a huge admirer of the software line-up on Microsoft's system, that's saying a lot
    Edited by Apologie at 14/11/07 @ 12:02

  • BadBoyBonner #80 5 years ago

    ** 30% SPU use

    Almost the same info on the article I linked above


    PSU: The core engine for Drake's Fortune was built from the ground up. How does the engine itself come to utilize and take advantage of the PlayStation 3's core architecture and features?

    Balestra: The main thing about the PlayStation 3 is the Cell processor and more specifically the SPU's. We are only using 30 percent of the power of the SPU's in Uncharted. We've been architecting a lot of our systems around this and we were able to take full advantage of that power. A big part of our systems is running on SPU's: scene bucketing, particles, physics, collision, animation, water simulation, mesh processing, path finding, etc. For our engine, the cool thing about having the SPU's is the fact we can minimize what we send to the RSX (the graphic chip), it allows us to reject unnecessary information and get the RSX to be very efficient.
    Edited by BadBoyBonner at 14/11/07 @ 11:58

  • peterfll #81 5 years ago

    If it is 720p with 1080i how do you get it to display in 1080i? I have a 1080p display, so it natively supports 1080i, but the PS3 switched to 720p for the demo.

    I apologise profusely for potentially lighting the touchpaper again on this topic but yes, on a 46" Bravia set, you can see a difference between 720 and 1080.

  • SeesThroughAll #82 5 years ago

    If it is 720p with 1080i how do you get it to display in 1080i? I have a 1080p display, so it natively supports 1080i, but the PS3 switched to 720p for the demo.

    I'm not an expert, but some people say it's a - still unfixed - firmware glitch and the workaround is to force 1080p from the XMB, disabling any lower resolutions.

  • Kiigan #83 5 years ago

    krudster said:

    "But that just goes to show how wrong first impressions can be"

    Well that's fair enough, and it wouldn't be the first decent game to suffer a lacklustre demo. Certainly in the case of Uncharted, the demo did the game no favours at all. I was wondering what changed your view on the gunplay though - did you just learn to forgive the fussy aiming system, or did it improve somehow in the full version of the game? Shooting seems to be such a central part of the game, I was surprised that it felt so unrefined, unforgiving, and old fashioned.

  • BadBoyBonner #84 5 years ago

    SeesThroughAll

    I agree - perhaps unlike Heavenly Sword - my guess is that it starts to stream data to the HDD near the end of the level for the start of the next level as oppossed to starting only when the film kicks in.

    Naughty Dog actually said (for those who can't be bothered to read the article ;)

    Talking about movies, I wanted to mention they are pre-render using our engine on the PlayStation 3. The only reason we did this was to eliminate any loading time before or after a movie and make our memory management easier.

  • Steroyd #85 5 years ago

    Oh i'm definately pre-ordering now, Play.com has it at £32.99!!!

  • tonynibbles #86 5 years ago

    Anyone who has a game that supports a certain resolution but yet the game defaults to another simply needs to change their display settings.

    For example: If in COD4 you want 1080p, go to display settings and uncheck 720p and 1080i, leaving 1080p checked - the game will then run at 1080p (unless your TV does not support it, in which case it will go down to the always-selected 576p).

    I am assuming this is the same for UC:DF.
    Uncheck 720p and 1080p and this will leave 576p and 1080i selected - and the game should run at 1080i.

    The PS3 always automatically tries to run at the config best for your TV, if this isn't what you want, you'll need to adjust the settings as above.
    it's also a good way to prove if a game can run at a certain resolution.

  • Aretak #87 5 years ago

    "Oh i'm definately pre-ordering now, Play.com has it at £32.99!!!"

    MovieTyme has the US version for £31.99, and it's out a few weeks earlier. :)

  • Eighthours #88 5 years ago

    Sounds great.

    I *heart* Isla Fisher, btw.

  • Steroyd #89 5 years ago

    MovieTyme has the US version for £31.99, and it's out a few weeks earlier. :)

    Damn you 1up'ing me. *shakes fist*

  • Cloudane #90 5 years ago

    The box-art for this game is surprisingly good too; it gives me that Indiana Jones vibe and I like it!

  • Fitzmogwai #91 5 years ago

    Have to say I was expecting to see a 10 at the end of that review. What was the problem? Game length was the only criticism I remember reading about.

    Anyway, well done the PS3 for finally having a good game.

  • BadBoyBonner #92 5 years ago

    I love smoke machines - especially ones with red lights on lol ;-)

  • brooza #93 5 years ago

    This is the PS3 game that tempts me somewhat, even though I still can't justify getting one.

    Such a shame :(

  • CrumpledPaper #94 5 years ago

    Yes, shame on you!!!

  • Triggerhappytel #95 5 years ago

    Just read the review (boss is on lunch), and it does read like a very high nine. Inches from being a ten, I'd say (plus I suspect EG's 10 cannon is running out of ammo...?).

    Also, kudos for the Isla Fisher and Firefly references :)

    Great box art, too.

  • JediMasterMalik #96 5 years ago

    Review definitely sounded like a 10, what with no mention of negatives. Anyway, great review.

  • lambtron #97 5 years ago

    I'm confused. While I don't disagree with the mark (bit silly too since i haven't played it :) ) I have to admit I don't understand how the animation can be all that when it looked so horribly unnatural in the videos you have up on Eurogamer TV.

  • monkie_king #98 5 years ago

    The fact that they're only using 30% of the SPUs is more indicative of the fact that it's actually extremely difficult to properly exploit the Cell architecture in a game engine. Read another way he's saying "even in an engine built ground-up for PS3, we still can't exploit 70% of the SPUs' potential".

    They've obviously worked very hard to parallelize as much as they can, it'll be interesting to see whether multi-platform developers will start to go to similar lengths for their PS3 versions. Burnout Paradise should be informative.

  • Arwin #99 5 years ago

    Krudster, in the review you meantion 1080p glory, but the game's native resolution is still 720p though, right? Though it also supports 1080i, I don't think it renders all this in native 1080p?

  • thepiedpiper #100 5 years ago

    looks really good actually!! which is a shame

  • Darren #101 5 years ago

    The EG review makes this game sound stunning, something I kind of got the impression of from playing the excellent demo. Now I'm really excited about playing the game. It's not often we PS3 owners are spoilt but with this and the superb Ratchet and Clank Future last week plus the potentially great Haze before the end of the year, all those months of waiting for the triple A games to arrive makes it all worthwhile. :)

  • morriss #102 5 years ago

    Everything I saw of the game prior to the demo didn't really do much for me. However, after playing the aforementioned this moved to the top my of list.

    Can't wait for this to arrive.

  • light&shadow #103 5 years ago

    All screenshots on EG are 1280x720 and don't look like being downsampled. So from those screenshots I assume it is not rendered in native 1080p. However, the press has a tendency to reuse old screenshots sent by the publisher's marketing dept, so it is not 100% sure.
    Edited by light&shadow at 14/11/07 @ 12:56

  • Fitzmogwai #104 5 years ago

    Well done NickyJD, you're the first on my ignore list. Bye now!

  • Hughes. #105 5 years ago

    /checks score

    I'll read it later Krudster, I've just got to order it first.

    I'm almost glad Assassin's Creed wasn't that great now, my pre-Christmas game budget can now accomodate this comfortably.

  • Beano #106 5 years ago

    "Maybe he just never played Motorstorm, who knows?"

    Or Ratchet & Clank....

  • rashes #107 5 years ago

    rashes

  • SeesThroughAll #108 5 years ago

    WTF is this?, keep this fanboy shit out of Eurogamer please.

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    /puts NickJD on ignore.

  • dsmx #109 5 years ago

    The ignore function is the most useful thing on this site I can finally get rid of all those stupid fanboy comments once and for all.

  • Apologie #110 5 years ago

    But Mass effect looks better so don't say 360 can't do these graphics.

    ARE YOU CRAZY??

  • Apologie #111 5 years ago

    Now bring on Haze and UT3

  • ElNino9 #112 5 years ago

    But, thinking about it, when has Naughty Dog ever let us down?

    "I'd have to say Jak II."


    Slaps royal fool

    /points to door :D

    Have to agree though, Naughty Dog have never let me down. \o/

  • Darren #113 5 years ago

    I always suspected the cutscenes were pre-rendered using the ingame engine as I said as much in the forum thread. The demo cinematics even have jaggies which are less evident in the actual game itself plus they obviously aren't prone to tearing either. I guess this is one area where the storage capacity of BD allows the developers to "cheat" a little to make loading times less noticeable or non-existent so you can't really complain at them not being real-time/a waste of disc space. Maybe that's the reason why this game wouldn't work as is on the 360 without introducing intrusive loading times. ;)

    Saw the first ten minutes of the game in HD on Gamersyde last night and the game does look great but the amount of tearing was a bit alarming considering the start of the game takes place on a small boat in the middle of an empty ocean yet the demo, which had a detailed jungle setting, seemed to have less. The game is clearly pushing the PS3 though to produce these visuals so tearing is far more forgiveable here than it is in, say, LEGO Star Wars: TCS on the 360. I did notice it in the demo but surprisingly it didn't bother me too much. Must have been having too much fun playing it or something... LOL

  • MrGilder #114 5 years ago

    Nice - got this pre-ordered over at Play.com for £32.99!!

  • Apologie #115 5 years ago

    Uncharted isn't just a standout for Sony -- it's a standout for gaming as a whole. (IGN)

  • silke #116 5 years ago

    Wonderful news, I've really been looking forward to this and now my interest has just risen to yet another level of excitement.

  • Darren #117 5 years ago

    P.S. Krudster, can you please tell me which make and model of HDTV you review games on that you don't see tearing on because I want one! ;)

  • Apologie #118 5 years ago

    Another game contributing to the PS3 ERA.
    i think now Wii and 360 fanboys cant talk trash anymore. the price of the ps3 is down and their games are really good now. in one month, 3 big titles, (Uncharted, Ratchet&Clank:TOD and Folklore) and all their games are different genres, not all shooters lik 360... now let's see, God Of War 3, Killzone 2, Haze, UT3, GT5, Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4...

    PS3 ERA
    Edited by Apologie at 14/11/07 @ 13:24

  • Atropos #119 5 years ago

    Yes, nicely done, good review, could you now please release the review I submitted during the weekend? I think I said some of the same things, but I said them before you, damnit!

    :-P

  • peterfll #120 5 years ago

    There's tearing on the 360 Lego Star Wars? Last years edition didn't have any....

    How strange...

  • Steroyd #121 5 years ago

    But Mass effect looks better so don't say 360 can't do these graphics.

    No one said anything about graphics, when you cue in lighting, animation etc etc all at once, you have to sit there and think when/if will someone on the Xbox 360 step up to the plate and top this.

    besides Kristian said.

    that makes me wonder

    Which is important before we go all fanboy mode. ;)

  • Trane #122 5 years ago

    "Another game contributing to the PS3 ERA."

    Lol?

    "i think now Wii and 360 fanboys cant talk trash anymore. the price of the ps3 is down and their games are really good now. in one month, 3 big titles, (Uncharted, Ratchet&Clank:TOD and Folklore) and all their games are different genres, not all shooters lik 360... now let's see, God Of War 3, Killzone 2, Haze, UT3, GT5, Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4... "

    They can talk trash if they like, their platforms have 10/10 titles on them amirite?
    /taunt ;)

    At the end of the day it's good that all 3 consoles are doing (or starting to do) quite well, the stronger the competition the better it is for us, the consumer (in theory at least).

    As for the other games you listed, lets wait and see before prematurely putting them on a pedestal shall we, that's only asking for trouble.

  • krudster #123 5 years ago

    The TV I've just splashed out on is a 50" Samsung 1080p jobbie, ps50p96fd
    Best value, highest spec 50" true HD 1080p out there - about £700 cheaper than the current flavour of the month, the Pioneer Kuro, and about £4-500 cheaper than Panasonic's top 50".


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  • deepmenace #124 5 years ago

    interested in what stopped this from being a 10?

    did the review contain a single negative moment?

    loved the demo, provided some spot-on filmic moments of my own creation. that's what i like.

  • Gurgeh #125 5 years ago

    "P.S. Krudster, can you please tell me which make and model of HDTV you review games on that you don't see tearing on because I want one! ;) "

    Well he also said "Popup? That's the biggest non-issue ever." while other reviewers seem to disagree (e.g. "there is a lot of texture pop-in on the jungle floor and treasures while aliasing on the walls and screen tearing are par for the course" from IGN).

    That said, everyone agrees it is a great game and a great looking game but after seeing this week's charts we can only hope it makes the top 10.

  • rhinoxious #126 5 years ago

    Quick question,

    Is the PS3 region free for all games?
    Can we be sure that this title will be region free?

    Just want to be sure before I order an import copy.

    Thanks.

  • krudster #127 5 years ago

    I think the thing that stops it being a 10 is that there's not enough combat variety in there. Too many of the same enemies over and over.

    It feels like it needed to develop a little more than it does, and ultimately the fact that's it's a little on the brief side counts against it just a touch. Not enough to stop you buying it and loving it, but enough to stop it getting top marks.

    I bet the sequel will be amazing, but by then the 'more of the same' factor will have crept in.

  • the creeper #128 5 years ago

    The article that everybody keeps linking to on psu.com seems to suggest that it would be tricky to pull this game off on 360 as they wrote the engine specifically to utilise Cell and the HDD.

    Uncharted on psu.com

    Copy in the fact that they're 91% filling a blu-ray disc with fully optimised code and that all adds up to something that simply would not be achievable on 360 for a variety of reasons. So as fan-baiting as Krudster's comment may have seemed, it would seem he actually has a point.

    When games are utilising 100% of the cell processor (rather than the 30% Uncharted manages), I think my brain will probably melt. But it'll be totally worth it.
    Edited by the creeper at 14/11/07 @ 13:48

  • krudster #129 5 years ago

    I'm not sure what build other reviewers used, but I swear I never saw hideous popup. I'd have been the first to mention it, as that sort of crap bothers me, same with tearing, but if my eyes don't see it, I can't write about it.

  • SeesThroughAll #130 5 years ago

    Could it be that American reviewers had an earlier build than European ones?

  • Calgon #131 5 years ago

    Yeah lets be fair now, Kristian was infact better off keeping that too himself, theres not many reasons to beleive it cant(which I suspect he knows but can see its got the level of polish atleast that those who waited and paid so much money will appreciate) so whether he really beleives it or not its only going to make him look less informed in the long run(thats the nicest way I can put it but you can see what Im saying).

    Well back on topic, is this the first big PS3 exclusive that wont be seen as a bit of a dissapointment?(well for those of us who thought Motorstorm looked a bit dull from the start... that is overated IMO in gampelay and technology if you ask me, if they would have had some truely great games that wouldnt have gotten much attention)

    @Trane notice how he lists three FPS' in a row after his opening sentence too...

    Also I dont buy this 30% b*****ks for a second, they are a Sony dev and they started this engine knowing how much trouble Sony got themselves into with their hypefests at E3(infact I think it was the lead dev on GameTrailers a year back who pretty much said himself the two consoles were fairly even and complained a little about Sonys tools and online service plans) so you can bet they are using 100% for that engine. See the thing is even if this wasnt something Sony needed them to say(which it is if you use common sense its a pretty obvious gameplan) the percentages themselves are pretty meaningless guesstimations that most devs steer clear of for that reason. Im not going to waste my time arguing about it with anyone though(I really cant see PS3 doing anything out of 360s reach now... even physics which was probably the strongest arguement they had, AI and Lighting is still anybodies guess at this point, devs on both sides there, of course devs on the wrong side no matter how good, are always dissmissed by fanboys... Id go with 360 for them based off what weve seen so far), wait and see as I always say(do they ever learn though? "its the CELL powar n Blu-Rays" ).
    Edited by Calgon at 14/11/07 @ 14:29

  • rhinoxious #132 5 years ago

    In full:

    As I said earlier, we couldn't have done Uncharted without the Blu-ray, at least at the quality we wanted to make it. To get such high-resolution textures and movies, a Blu-ray was indispensable to achieve the graphic quality of Uncharted. We fill the disc at 91 percent and it's optimized, meaning we don't duplicate any data. That includes all our game data, sounds, 7 spoken languages and 102 minutes of movie.

    Talking about movies, I wanted to mention they are pre-render using our engine on the PlayStation 3. The only reason we did this was to eliminate any loading time before or after a movie and make our memory management easier.

  • rhinoxious #133 5 years ago

    Those 102 minutes of movie, presumbably rendered at 1080p native, would have taken up a lot of that space, its a good use of teh space but not an essential one.

  • monkie_king #134 5 years ago

    krudster, do you lot get to claim humongous tellys on expenses? you ought to, you lucky gets.

  • Darren #135 5 years ago

    krudster - "I'm not sure what build other reviewers used, but I swear I never saw hideous popup. I'd have been the first to mention it, as that sort of crap bothers me, same with tearing, but if my eyes don't see it, I can't write about it."

    Now, I definitely want that 50" Samsung Plasma TV of yours!

  • rhinoxious #136 5 years ago

    As for the other comments about using SPUs to smmoth the animation I can't be certain how that would compare to the 360s multi processor setup, but the guarantee of having a hard disk on every system must be a boon for any developer.

  • Arwin #137 5 years ago

    @krudster:

    Congrats on the TV! : jealous :

    It would be useful for future reference if you press the info button and see if you can tell which output mode the PS3 is using. I assume you've got 720p, 1080i and 1080p enabled in the XMB, so then it's up to the game to decide which one it will use. It could be using 1080i or 720p, and depending on which there could be more or less tearing and so on.

  • monkie_king #138 5 years ago

    re: the blu-ray thing, i don't really think that counts as a "zomg 360 couldn't do it!1" factor. Yeah, they'd have had to do localized releases instead of cramming all the languages on one disc, or (horrors!) split the game over a couple of DVD9s, but it's not fundamentally impossible.

    A more interesting question is whether all the streaming tech could work from a DVD rather than off the HD, or whether they just need the HD cache because BR seek times are so long.

    Also, the fact that they've specialised the whole engine around data parallelization for PS3 kind of re-inforces the point that Sony's console is difficult to accomodate into a multi-platform development strategy. It'll a be a weird reversal if PS3 becomes the console to own for its exclusive titles, but cross-platform stuff is better elsewhere (eg. PES, Skate, Orange Box etc). PlayStations have traditionally been the jack-af-all-trades consoles, and the default choice for third party development.

  • Calgon #139 5 years ago

    monkie_king lol steady on now lad, this is the first PS3 blockbuster(which some reviewers havent rated AAA.... 9 or 10 is a tripple A rating... "dats right ya heard me - 'Tripple', I speaks the Sony lingo good";), if thats what you think then fair enough but 360 has the best exclusives by far IMO and I can only see that improving(granted it would be better to wait till E3 to see exactly what theyve got planned but Im thinking they will have more big announcements after the bungie, bizarre and bioware situation, I feel they must have something big up their sleave).

    Having said that it would be so good to see close a battle for the best first party exclusives between them, infact all three of the platform holders.

    bcolter: Awww I wanted it to get a 10

    Fixed ;)
    Edited by Calgon at 14/11/07 @ 14:30

  • tinners #140 5 years ago

    [And it's going to get us in trouble again. -Frowny Ed]

    surely that's the reason you put it in the review?

    more controversy means more users = more stupid angry posts.

    *claps*

  • levis #141 5 years ago

    I think the "only 30% of PS3's power utilised" could be true. I remember this kind of thing was rumoured a year or two after the PS1 was released, except developers were saying they were only using 10% of its true power!

  • monkie_king #142 5 years ago

    levis: well, it's meaningless even if it is true. see, it's not like they *chose* not to use 70% of the PS3's power, is it? It's not like they got it running at 60hz in 1080p without tearing or pop-up and went "that'll do it, looks like we don't need the rest of the powah of teh Cell".

    The actual scenario is that they were unable to exploit more than 30% of the SPU, because the Cell is not a good architecture for game development. It's very good for protein folding though.

    This is an interesting read, by a PS3 coder who sounds qualified in these matters:
    [link url=http://daveasbell.blogspot.com/2007/08/trouble-with-ps3.html
    ]http://daveasbell.blogspot.com/2007/08/t...[/link]

    The crux of it is that optimizing an engine for PS3 "is extremely challenging, expensive, and not something a studio really wants to be spending money on. When you can make an excellent game on an XBox 360 for a fraction of the development cost why would you ever lead on the PS3?" (And that's not to mention that the 360 is a much larger market).

  • SeesThroughAll #143 5 years ago

    Lovely to see how a thread about a good PS3 game is always overrun by XBox fans repeating the same things to exhaustion.

  • monkie_king #144 5 years ago

    "Lovely to see how a thread about the good PS3 game ..."

    fixed that for ya.

    /unable to resist

  • BadBoyBonner #145 5 years ago

    Monkie_king

    Read another way he's saying "even in an engine built ground-up for PS3, we still can't exploit 70% of the SPUs' potential".

    Agreed - if I had have been interviewing him - you can not help but think the next obvious question would have been "Why are you only using 30%?"

    Obviously he infers, that at current standing, they can not yet (if ever) filter (which sounds like another way of saying - work out how to use something that was never designed to be used for the current purpose, while something else in the machine should have already been doing it well but isn't) out enough to stop the RSX chip(s) from choking.

    I really hope Sony sort it out for the next machine as I am becoming a bit fed up of paying the Live fee - when it can be as flaky as it has the last few days. More so when my PC seems to be completely unaffected by a new game coming out! Lol

  • SeesThroughAll #146 5 years ago

    @monkie_king: Thank you for once again proving my point.
    You can go back to your obsessive propaganda efforts now.

  • SeesThroughAll #147 5 years ago

    @BadBoyBonner:

    I really hope Sony sort it out for the next machine as I am becoming a bit fed up of paying the Live fee - when it can be as flaky as it has the last few days.

    That is one good reason among others why we should all hope that Sony doesn't quit gaming.
    Edited by SeesThroughAll at 14/11/07 @ 14:53

  • monkie_king #148 5 years ago

    don't be a baby, i don't get emotionally involved about which console is my bff. it was just a cheap obvious gag and i even flagged it as such.

    apart from that, we're having an interesting discussion here about the pros and cons of different console architectures. do you have anything to contribute?

  • old_skool #149 5 years ago

    And from the dark corners of the earth they emerge, scavaging, like blood thirsty animals ready to tear down any entity, be it beast, man or machine to defend their Overlord. It is the green envy that consumes them. Beware !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • andrewwd #150 5 years ago

    The current bottleneck in game fidelity is not the fact that developers can't exploit 100% of the 'power' of the cell (whatever the hell that means).

    The bottleneck is in developer time and talent. It's in creating quality art assets. It's pixel shaders and tools like ZBrush that are pushing forward game visuals. It has absolutely nothing to do with the 'power of the cell CPU'.

    As far as I can see the GPUs of the 360 and the PS3 are capable of broadly the same things.

  • monkie_king #151 5 years ago

    andrew, i dunno, go here, where one of the Assassin's Creed devs is posting as "Charles":
    [link url=http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=27891&page=13
    ]http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/...[/link]

    He first says that the 360 version has the edge graphically, then says "not to get in to any specifics, but there was a hell of a lot more effort put in to the PS3 version."

    That's entirely down to the difficult architecture, and nothing to do with art resource.

  • SeesThroughAll #152 5 years ago

    Weird, I've yet to see any desperate calls of "Bribery! Corruption! Blackmail!" that were common on the Bioshock, Halo3 and any other 360 game comments you care to mention...

    For the simple fact that much less comments of such nature appear for a 360 game, and even looking for them, I'd miss a lot of them: fools such as Apologie are in my surprisingly large ignore list.

    Or let me put it this way: By following the same exact criteria, I end up clicking on "ignore user" much more often when someone is trolling "Teh Tripple, ps3lol" then when someone is doing the "XBox suxxorzz!" crap. The reason is simple: it does happen much more often.

  • monkie_king #153 5 years ago

    (but yes, broadly they are very similar in capability).

  • old_skool #154 5 years ago

    Taken from 1up :

    1UP: Moving forward, obviously Uncharted is kind of the big thing for you guys right now. Do you know what your next project is? Are you just going to continue with this for a while?

    EW: You know, we built the game to be a franchise, and the pulp action adventure genre is built right into that as well, but I say this with complete honesty, and I'm not trying to mislead at all, but we were so heads-down and focused on getting this game out the door that there have not been any meetings about what our next project is at this point. We talked about what went right, what went wrong -- postmortems about Uncharted -- but we've got to get back in the office and figure that out.

    1UP: So let's go there: what went right and what went wrong?

    CB: I guess we lost some time with our technology at the beginning because we...I think we were over ambitious and made some mistakes there.

    EW: And actually what he's talking about is the tools that they have specifically.

    CB: We lost a lot of time there, but now I guess we have something that is very solid and we can -- as soon as everybody is back from their break -- start working on the next game from day one. So that's a very good thing.


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I guess that explain why the game is a bit short for some.

  • ProdigyBE_OPM #155 5 years ago

    Say Eurogamer, why print this review now, if the game doesn't hit the shops until the 7th of December? This does not help the sales of a title at all. A review on release week is better in getting people to the shops and buying the damn thing.
    And with Uncharted not having that much hype behind it (a shame really, 'cause this game DOES deserve it), all help in getting better sales is welcome.

  • Yaz #156 5 years ago

    It's surprising how many haven't learned from last gen and are still fooled by meaningless percentage used figures for consoles (in this case, 30% quoted).

    Still, at least this is one PS3 exclusive game which has turned out great. :)

  • sn3jk #157 5 years ago

    cool, maybe its time to finally get my ps3 back from my borrowing friend.

    good review!

  • old_skool #158 5 years ago

    1 UP LINK ( it's been posted before )

    [link url=http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=1&cId=3164368
    ]http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager....[/link]

    Please don't read selectively...

  • andrewwd #159 5 years ago

    @monkie king,

    Aye, most of what I have read suggests that the PS3 GPU is slightly inferior to the 360s (specifically it has a lower fill rate), which is why I said 'broadly'; I didnt want to incur the rancor of all the PS3 fans in this thread ;)

  • monkie_king #160 5 years ago

    Prodigy, umm, wha'? o_O

    /didn't realise EG was actually supposed to be ND's marketing department

  • monkie_king #161 5 years ago

    andrewwd, yeah i concurred on the broadly, but SeesThroughAll got in the way and became the filling in my comment sandwich. i'd have used "edit" instead, but it screws up hyperlinks.

  • drumm23 #162 5 years ago

    Anybody else think "Uncharted" could be a sadly ironic title..?

  • BadBoyBonner #163 5 years ago

    LOL Drumm23

  • mossychops001 #164 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:49:27 04-05-2012

  • monkie_king #165 5 years ago

    Eurogamer: a complete clusterfuck of spazmos moaning.

    (with apologies to Metafilter.com)

  • TriggerHippie #166 5 years ago

    Cool, one to spend the inevitable Christmas tokens on then. I wasn't expecting much from this but maybe its worth a peek after all!

  • monkie_king #167 5 years ago

    drake's runs at 720p though, 1080p is upscaled.

    i don't see much point in getting a 1080p screen for games tbh, the few PS3 games that support it natively seem to suffer in terms of framerate. and then you have to scale your 360 games too. 720p seems a good compromise.

  • darc #168 5 years ago

    Wow, this one review has me considering a PS3 purchase. After having completely written the PS3 off!

  • krudster #169 5 years ago

    There's a very simple reason we've posted this today: because Sony allowed us to. We got code early, and asked Sony when US reviews were going up. We timed this to hit with those because traffic is exponentially higher when reviews hit at the same time as the US. Internet readers are amazingly fickle and simply go where things hit first, and that's something we've had to learn and compete with over the years.

    We've also agreed to give the review another plug when the game comes out, so Sony isn't losing anything, but we get about quadruple the number of people reading this review than if we'd have left it until December. The payback for us is that if some of those fickle readers come back, we gain a bigger readership overall.

  • BillyBrush #170 5 years ago

    It's a good PS3 game from the looks of the review...that's good for PS3 owners, having good games...i wish it were on 360 as i cannae play anything without acheiving meaningless points at the mo

    definately one of those i'll be noting on my to get list when the day comes that i have to get one (MGS4 or ICO team day by the looks)...it's nice having plenty to play and seeing plenty more good stuff come along to be bought when some spare cash arises...Mario Galaxy, this, Crysis (tho i doubt i'll be getting a new PC soon), there is a goldmine of stuff out there all waiting till discount time....think of the people yet to buy any new console, in a year or so they'll be able to do the best value shopping ever

  • Kryon #171 5 years ago

    So the PS3 still doesn't have any 10/10 exclusives then? Even after it's been out for a year or so? Oh well, better luck next year kids.

  • Kryon #172 5 years ago

    "9 is what Halo 3 should have got."

    In your 'oh so important' opinion, of course. Shame the masses don't agree, eh...

  • Apologie #173 5 years ago

    Kryon

    your comment reflects the lack of prespective that many of us have, i don't care if the game is not rated 10/10, you must read between the lines, these one is very good, and will give me as much pleasure playing it "if not even more" as Gears of War. By the way, Gears of War scored 8/10 in eurogamer, did that maked the game any worse? NO.

    Uncharted in terms of graphics, is one of the most impressive games ou there... just beautifull, i can't wait to see Killzone 2 or Metal Gear 4.

    And i agree, Halo 3 is in my opnion protected by the media... not an impressive game at all..
    Edited by Apologie at 14/11/07 @ 16:51

  • Caimbeul #174 5 years ago

    I was secretely hoping this would be good...looks like it is. It may be the first real/physical PS3 game that I buy! (having had one for yonks). When Everybodys golf 5 FINALLY arrives that will make 2!

  • rhinoxious #175 5 years ago

    @Xiphos - "720P/1080i is not going to cut it based on the review."

    As far as I understand no one has yet said what the game runs at natively and given the graphics I seriously doubt that the GeForce chipset in the PS3 is doing 1080p.

    It's also worth remembering that the Xbox 360 has 1080p titles as well, like Virtua tennis, but both consoles run most their titles (simpler arcade stuff aside) at 720p.

    1080p isn't going to be a big deal this generation, as developers will aim their games to look as good as possible at the most common HD resolution, and that is overwhelming 720p (or actually 1360x768 for most 26in and 32in LCD TVs)
    Edited by rhinoxious at 14/11/07 @ 16:58

  • mossychops001 #176 5 years ago

    Post deleted at 11:49:27 04-05-2012

  • peeetah #177 5 years ago

    "Sorry, the Halo franchise is pap at best."

    Not pap just overrated.

  • mono_eric3 #178 5 years ago

    Did anyone else think the demo was more than a little 'meh' and looked awful.

    The water effects are specifically mentioned in the review, and I'm sorry, but the actual water surface looks very similar to how xbox 1 games did water (that's no slate on the PS3 - as I know it could do better). The water effects on the character are pretty damn good though. Wet clothes are done very well indeed.

    The whole environment, although lush and green is poorly rendered with an excess of detail causing serious noise on all the surfaces.

    And don't get me started on the whole spinning motion blur mess.

    I'm really confused as to how such a high-spec system can be churning out such horrendous graphics. (GT Prologue's depth of field being another total shocker)

    Seeing the demo, and reading this review, the 2 seem totally at odds to each other, I hope I'm proved wrong as I do value eurogamer reviews.

    D.

  • BillyBrush #179 5 years ago

    why bang on about Halo3 all the time...seeing you think it's pap at best / protected by the media (nice one apologie)

    it's merely a very good game on a platform you don't like, get over it...what FPS is better? - Half Life Series, and yer stuffed for that too atm.....sooo, leave it aht and enjoy this...i am sure you will love seeing all the things you think only PS3 can do, like 1080p shirts, and nice looking jean textures

    a great PS3 game comes out and all you can talk about is Halo3, that there is chips on shoulders

  • Scimarad #180 5 years ago

    Definitely ordering this now. Loved the demo so I'm certainly glad the full game lives up to or even exceeds it.

  • Beano #181 5 years ago

    "Did anyone else think the demo was more than a little 'meh' and looked awful. "

    No, thought the demo was looking great (some ugly tearing though!) and fun to play... I will order the game for sure on US import now that the postive scores are coming in :)

  • AOFanboi #182 5 years ago

    10/10, minus 1 to appease the rabid XBots who still managed to find their way here. Will definitely be bought.

  • Negotiator #183 5 years ago

    Not only have IGN mentioned the screen tearing and pop in but so have Gamespy which says to me this is a problem with the game. The fact that Krudhead decided not to mention it makes me wonder if he gives a shit about writing an unbiased review or rather more about promoting the PS3's supposed graphical power over the 360. I have know doubt that this is a great game, but please next time mention if there is a problem with the games visuals.

  • Kryon #184 5 years ago

    The defensive stance of certain fanboys speaks in volumes. "boohoo, teh 360 games shouldn't have got a 10/10 but this game should have because of teh powa of teh cell*sniff*" ... Get over it, the PS3 has a better than average Tomb Raider clone, I'm glad you finally have something worth playing but it's mere peanuts in comparison to the 360's catalogue. Call me back when you get a triple A exclusive or 10/10 title, otherwise give it a rest, yeah?

  • Darren #185 5 years ago

    Krudster says that he doesn't notice the tearing on his plasma TV and I believe him. It's not the first time I've heard a plasma TV owner claim that tearing is less noticeable than on an LCD TV so it may well be true although I've never owned one to comment.

  • Apologie #186 5 years ago

    Uncharted code using 91% of the BluRay Disc!!!

    so, never possible on X360... the same will hapen with Killzone 2 and Metal Gear 4... the only reason Konami diddn't anounced a x360 version, and most certain never will, is because the game had to be different, and penalized severely due to the lack of space (and not only).

    In 8 months from now, the only console worth talking about will be PS3, with all the exclusives coming up.
    Edited by Apologie at 14/11/07 @ 17:46

  • monkie_king #187 5 years ago

    Apologie: never mind the quality, feel the width!

  • gaselite #188 5 years ago

    Better be a bowls mini-game.

  • Kryon #189 5 years ago

    I love Krudsters reviews and trust his opinions more than any other reviewer and I'm sure he believes this game is worth the 9 he gives it.

    But 9 isn't 10 is it.....

    When is the PS3 going to get a must have title?

  • monkie_king #190 5 years ago

    Kryon, yeah but if you trust Krudster then it'll interest you to know that he doesn't rate Halo3 at all (see EGTV ep.15), so that's one less 10/10 XBox exclusive for you.

    edit: also, surely this is a must-have for PS3 owners. maybe not a system-seller though.
    Edited by monkie_king at 14/11/07 @ 17:59

  • JediMasterMalik #191 5 years ago

    Kryon, have you nothing better to do in that idiot box you live in?

  • Apologie #192 5 years ago

    Kryon

    these one is definitely a must have title... and Kyron, you know as well as i do how to heal that depression... buy a Ps3.
    Edited by Apologie at 14/11/07 @ 18:01

  • Kryon #193 5 years ago

    Monkie_boy

    I'm actually not a Halo fan, but I do recognise it as an important game. I've read Kristan's reviews for years and his tastes seem to be similar to my own (i.e. not the biggest Halo fan) but have a look at GameRankings or Metacritic and the you'll see the masses feel it is a 'must have' title...Unlike Uncharted which is just another Lara clone.

  • Kryon #194 5 years ago

    Apologie, I really don't know why you seem to take such glee in this reviews score. You still tout Resistance:FOM as a 'must have, triple A' title when an EG review scored it a 6/10 ( I believe that was Kristans review aswell)

  • monkie_king #195 5 years ago

    hmm, kryon, that ground you're on looks a little ... shaky.
    Edited by monkie_king at 14/11/07 @ 18:11

  • SeesThroughAll #196 5 years ago

    Unlike Uncharted which is just another Lara clone.

    Bullshit as usual.

    You still tout Resistance:FOM as a 'must have, triple A' title when an EG review scored it a 6/10 ( I believe that was Kristans review aswell)

    No, that was Tom. On a second review that failed to mention multiplayer.
    Edited by SeesThroughAll at 14/11/07 @ 18:13

  • Apologie #197 5 years ago

    Kryon

    You really are stupid... Uncharted is evolutionary, Halo3, is not even that.

  • Negotiator #198 5 years ago

    Why talk about Halo3? the fact is that was a 10 out of 10 game full stop, and better than any game on the PS3 including this game.

  • darc #199 5 years ago

    "Internet readers are amazingly fickle and simply go where things hit first..."

    Ironically, I'm in the US and this is generally the first and often the only gaming site I read. Best game journalism I've come across anywhere. Lots of amusing and/or informative reader comments as well.

  • SeesThroughAll #200 5 years ago

    Why talk about Halo3? the fact is that was a 10 out of 10 game full stop, and better than any game on the PS3 including this game.

    Thank you for making my ignore list reach 40.

  • Kryon #201 5 years ago

    So many morons take the bait...

    Listen, good for you, yeah, 9/10, WooHoo!!!111!! you have one decent game now, honestly, I'm happy for you.

    @BNinjaC

    "define your meaning of "the masses" for me. "

    Erm, an average score of 94/100 based on 74 reviews. Have a look at Metacritic, you may learn something...

    @Apologie

    "Uncharted is evolutionary"
    I actually don't think you know what the word "evolution" means so I'll refrain from commenting...

  • monkie_king #202 5 years ago

    (re: "why mention halo3";). well, the point was that it's not 10/10 in krudster's opinion. in fact, i rather suspect that he thinks Uncharted is better.

    i can't be bothered o read back now, but someone was trying to talk down Uncharted because it was only a 9 and it's a krudster 9 and therefore must be true -- but if you accept that then you also have to accept his opinion of Halo3 as gospel, rather than picking and choosing to fit your chosen flavour of fanboyism.

    sort of wish i'd never mentioned it now.
    Edited by monkie_king at 14/11/07 @ 18:25

  • Negotiator #203 5 years ago

    Darc, thank you for your kind comments but I'm but one man with a dream.

  • Kryon #204 5 years ago

    @SeesThroughAll

    "Thank you for making my ignore list reach 40. "

    I actually think that is totally pathetic, Negotiator gave his opinion, he didn't call your mum a slut or spit in your face, did he? "Boohoo, mummy, he said my PS3 doesn't have the best library of games so I'm gonna ignore him"

    Get a life mate, infact I think I may ignore you now just because you're a prick...

  • Negotiator #205 5 years ago

    SeesThroughAll or should I call you by your more appropriate real name TalksThroughArse, just because I stated a fact that Halo 3 is better than any PS3 game this shouldn't cause you to have a heart attack and ignore my posts.

  • Azazel #206 5 years ago

    Are there actually still people who can see Kryons posts at this point?

  • captain-future #207 5 years ago

    Lara Jones... but looks like I'm gonna buy it.

  • Negotiator #208 5 years ago

    Are there actually still people who can see Kryons posts at this point?

    Well I can and I thank him for his comments.

  • Steroyd #209 5 years ago

    Holy crap which closet did these guys come out of Kryon how many 10/10 games are there? Seriously your library games must be small if you just go by scores.

    btw does Orange Box count as a 10/10 PS3 game?

  • Machiavellian #210 5 years ago

    My problem with the Uncharted demo is that it didn't give me that wow sensation. It did not make me want to play it a second time after finishing it and there was nothing special about anything I did. Using the motion controls to control the grenades got on my nerve. The motion control while you are balancing yourself felt very much unresponsive. The animation is very good but nothing that I felt that separated from many games out on the market today. The eye candy looks nice but nowhere did it make you feel like it cannot be done on the 360 especially since it feels like you are doing everything within a box. Going from one stage to another, you feel like you are confined. IMHO, it really doesn't take that much processing power to render what was shown from the demo since the draw distance and what was displayed on screen at all times was very limited.

    With that said, I loved the feel of the game and the atmosphere. The shooting portion was ok but moving from cover to cover was probably on the same level as Gears.

    In the end, I am hoping the full game is just as good as the review says. With it being so short, I cannot see myself spending 60 bones for it so a rent is probably all it will get since there probably no reason to play it again once it's finished.

  • Ihya #211 5 years ago

    Wowee wowow.

    Going to pre-order right now.

  • Apologie #212 5 years ago

    I actually don't think you know what the word "evolution" means so I'll refrain from commenting...

    YEs, but i know the meaning of Kyron: retarded 15 year old fanboy, who get's in denial every time a good PS3 game show's up.

  • SeesThroughAll #213 5 years ago

    @Negotiator:
    No, but feeding Apologie doesn't help.

    And I didn't attack Halo. I never liked it, so I don't waste my time talking about it.

    EDIT: Just read how you support a troll of Kryon's level. Says a lot about you.
    Edited by SeesThroughAll at 14/11/07 @ 18:50

  • captainrentboy #214 5 years ago

    First thing's first, this game looks rather bloody sexy, I mean I tend to act like I'm some gigantic 360 fanboy when I post on here, but that's only to rile up some of the idiots on the comments sections, this game does look facking lovely, and is one of the veerry few exclusives on the PS3 that I would like to have on the 360 too, but hey you can't have everything, and after Chrimbo I can see me splashing out on the console anyway, mostly for Blu-Ray but also most certainly for titles like this too.
    Ohh and some of the PS3 fans need to calm down slightly, there's random posts dotted around on here moaning about all the piss taking 360 owners invading the comments, but I honestly couldn't see one, infact there's only one massively annoying cunt on here, and that's one of your own guys. *Apologie, take a bow*
    And for the guys saying ''It's filling 90 odd % of a Blu-Ray disc, this means it could never ever be done on a 360'' Well that's lovely, but then by your reasoning, does that mean that the PS3 has already maxed out? And that from here on in you'll never get a game looking better than this, because surely that would then max out Blu-Ray, and all you can ever expect a game to be is an epic 8 hours long?
    Surely all it comes down to is developing better compression techniques.
    Edited by captainrentboy at 14/11/07 @ 18:54

  • Kryon #215 5 years ago

    "every time a good PS3 game show's up."

    Sooo, that would be...erm...once then...lol

  • Arwin #216 5 years ago

    The PS3 is by far my most favorite system in this generation, but having said that, Apologie, you're cruising to be the very first person here (and second ever) to make it on my ignore list.

  • Apologie #217 5 years ago

    BNinjaC

    lol

  • captainrentboy #218 5 years ago

    First thing's first, this game looks rather bloody sexy, I mean I tend to act like I'm some gigantic 360 fanboy when I post on here, but that's only to rile up some of the idiots on the comments sections, this game does look facking lovely, and is one of the veerry few exclusives on the PS3 that I would like to have on the 360 too, but hey you can't have everything, and after Chrimbo I can see me splashing out on the console anyway, mostly for Blu-Ray but also most certainly for titles like this too.
    Ohh and some of the PS3 fans need to calm down slightly, there's random posts dotted around on here moaning about all the piss taking 360 owners invading the comments, but I honestly couldn't see one, infact there's only one massively annoying cunt on here, and that's one of your own guys. *Apologie, take a bow*
    And for the guys saying ''It's filling 90 odd % of a Blu-Ray disc, this means it could never ever be done on a 360'' Well that's lovely, but then by your reasoning, does that mean that the PS3 has already maxed out? And that from here on in you'll never get a game looking better than this, because surely that would then max out Blu-Ray, and all you can ever expect a game to be is an epic 8 hours long?
    Surely all it comes down to is developing better compression techniques.

  • dsmx #219 5 years ago

    You should go to the system wars board on gamespot, the xbox fanboys aren't very happy at this review it's funny to watch.

  • Apologie #220 5 years ago

    First thing's first, this game looks rather bloody sexy, I mean I tend to act like I'm some gigantic 360 fanboy when I post on here, but that's only to rile up some of the idiots on the comments sections
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Very arrogant comment... but let me tell you that more then once you have been a victim of the same kind of approach..., for someone who thinks to be so enlightened, it hapens to be very idiotic.

    I would pay to see a one on one battle between Kryon's arrogance, and your's...
    Edited by Apologie at 14/11/07 @ 19:13

  • captainrentboy #221 5 years ago

    My God you're boring Apologie, please refrain from directing comments my way in the future. Thanks :)

  • George-Roper #222 5 years ago

    Read all about it, Apologie in mad gushing over one of only a few (if any) PS3 games to score 9/10. Read all about it.

    Fucks sakes, Apologie, just go away. Pleeeease! And this is from me, new PS3 owner and everything! The way you feel the need to jump in and defend Sony at every possible turn is just sickening....

  • Scimarad #223 5 years ago

    @George

    Might I offer you the use of this fine Ignore User button? I use the same brand myself!

  • bonker #224 5 years ago

    "Truly, Uncharted is the first game I've seen to date that makes me wonder if it could be done on the Xbox 360, and as a huge admirer of the software line-up on Microsoft's system, that's saying a lot."

    $$KERCHING$$!!

  • Kenshin001 #225 5 years ago

    Apologie, keep up the good fight. If anything just to wind up fuckwit crybabies like Kryon!

  • bonker #226 5 years ago

    Take out the guns n shooting and I'd be jealous for this.

  • J.C #227 5 years ago

    Visually it just looks nice. dont know why everyone keeps banging on about the visuals, put it up against bioshock etc, and it looks quite cartoony and dated.

  • HazyUK #228 5 years ago

    The demo really impressed me. It's the kind of game I've been waiting a long time for.
    With this Mario Galaxy and COD4 onlne (360) it's going to be a good xmas for me. :)

  • bonker #229 5 years ago

    "Hmm - the review seems overly gushing to me. I'm a fan of short games myself, but when a review tries to turn what most people would consider a failing - short single player campaign - into a positive, I start to question it. "

    I felt mildly nauseous reading that bit in the review.

    COD4 is awesome but it's way, way too bloody short - single digit hours SP playtime is a disgrace and people need to start pushing back against it - it's the thin end of a fat wedge ...

  • bonker #230 5 years ago

    "Of course, it's all blind speculation to say this or that couldn't be done on another system, but I did say it "makes me wonder" rather than a statement of fact. I await a 360 game to appear that looks as good as this, basically. They just upped the ante. "

    Well in the way the graphics appeal to me, it's more of an artistic design decision than anything to do with technical prowess.

    I posted some weeks back that I see many more PS3 screenies that float my boat than typical 360 screenies (which typically have a big gun taking up half the screen *yawn*) and while I couldn't think of the name of any of them at the time, this game was defo one of them.

  • bonker #231 5 years ago

    "Hopefully this will get some bundle love for xmas.
    Ratchet and Drake's would make an amazing pack-in. "

    £300 all-in (for the tard-PS3 of course) and I'd be tempted if I was looking for a new console ...

  • bonker #232 5 years ago

    "Interestingly, Naughty Dog claim they only used around 30% of the consoles graphical power: "

    I assume it's locked at 60fps then?

  • bonker #233 5 years ago

    "P.S. Krudster, can you please tell me which make and model of HDTV you review games on that you don't see tearing on because I want one! ;) "

    It's a Sony, model number: B4CKH4ND3R

  • Apologie #234 5 years ago

    George Roper

    Fucks sakes, Apologie, just go away. Pleeeease! And this is from me, new PS3 owner and everything! The way you feel the need to jump in and defend Sony at every possible turn is just sickening....

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Correction, I don't defend sony, i prefer Sony... big difference.
    I think they'r products are more reliable, artistic (with much better exclusives in my opinion) and diverse.
    Edited by Apologie at 14/11/07 @ 21:00

  • Carlo #235 5 years ago

    LOL, the 360 is fucking dead in 2008 now games like this are coming out.

    Har har har

    /goes back under his bridge

  • bonker #236 5 years ago

    "Say Eurogamer, why print this review now, if the game doesn't hit the shops until the 7th of December? This does not help the sales of a title at all. A review on release week is better in getting people to the shops and buying the damn thing.
    And with Uncharted not having that much hype behind it (a shame really, 'cause this game DOES deserve it), all help in getting better sales is welcome. "

    It's known as spoiling tactics.

    Mass Effect next week, yes?

  • zooms #237 5 years ago

    "Truly, Uncharted is the first game I've seen to date that makes me wonder if it could be done on the Xbox 360"

    A statement like that which, you know, is going to be so very contentious should at least be backed up by some rationale.

    If it comes purely down to your perception of how some element of the game could only truly be delivered by being on Blu-Ray then I'd happily concede you may have a point. As the difference between DVD-9 and Blu-Ray is evident and empirical.

    However if it was down to interactivity, AI or graphical prowess how could you possible come to a definite enough conclusion that you felt confident in making such a statement. Is there really enough evidence that would suggest the X360 is incapable of producing the same results.

    This comment thread is already too old that I could ever hope to get a response, but there you go.

    I'm sure this post will come over as anti-PS3, but I'm not. I'm just Sony averse.



  • WJF #238 5 years ago

    I think he was using his experience of Xbox graphics "at their very best" (GOW springs to mind) compared to this game and drawing the conclusion that this game manages to open a gap in quality that questions whether these two systems are as equal as first thought.

    /throws two pence in hat

  • likmarbles #239 5 years ago

    Wasn't expectng much from this game but played the demo and enjoyed it now cant wait after reading the review. Im considering ordering this on play asia as its out considerably earlier in US. Can anyone me how long i will have to wait for delivery and how much extra I will pay for postage?

  • Moonprince #240 5 years ago

    See a number of you commenting that you have played the demo but I can't find it in the PS store. Only got the ps3 the other day so I may be looking in the wrong place (demos? looked there...)

    Anyone point me in the right direction..?

  • Penguinzoot #241 5 years ago

    Well, looks like this is another one that's going to join R&C and Mass Effect on my "to buy" list. What with Cod4, the Orange Box, MP3 and Zelda PH already, Mr Barclaycard is gonna love me.

    Too many good games, dammit!

  • Penguinzoot #242 5 years ago

    @Moonprince - the demo is on the US store. You need to create a US-based account to access the US store. It should be appearing on the EU store in a couple of weeks - not sure of the date.
    Edited by Penguinzoot at 14/11/07 @ 21:52

  • Drpwnage #243 5 years ago

    Heh, well good to see one reason I can use to persuade the Mrs. we really need another box under the TV!

    The comment on the 360 was definitely tabloidy, but if it helps drive traffic to EG then it's all good.

  • Moonprince #244 5 years ago

    Thanks people. Guess I can wait that long.

    Just started playing FFXII anyway, Basch looks so like me its freaky weird :o

  • trudgian #245 5 years ago

    Oh gawd another game with rubber characters. His t-shirt looks like rubber. I thought the rubberman stage had passed.

  • levis #246 5 years ago

    Well if his T-shirt looks like rubber I'm definitely not getting it.

    Ha, sorry I couldn't help it.

  • Apologie #247 5 years ago

    Best action/adventure game this year... and one serious candidate to Game of the year award.

  • drumm23 #248 5 years ago

    Game Of The Year is Portal.
    Easily.
    Even my sister, who plays no games ever, plays Portal, a masterpiece.

  • fantabulo #249 5 years ago

    9? It read like an 11!

  • Kryon #250 5 years ago

    @Apologie

    "YEs, but i know the meaning of Kyron: retarded 15 year old fanboy, who get's in denial every time a good PS3 game show's up. "

    Who's "Kyron"? Do you also know the meaning of the phrase "illiterate fuckwit"?

  • ElNino9 #251 5 years ago

    @Kyron
    If you have no interest in the these games, why on earth do you troll the threads and attempt to undermine everybody's opinion? It's extremly childish.

    Just accept the fact that human beings as a race have different opinions, it's what make us all unique. You might like Blue Dragon, many others thought it was shite, that doesn't make you right or wrong.

  • Kryon #252 5 years ago

    @ElNino9

    The funny thing is, I haven't tried to undermine anyone, I've actually admitted that I trust krudster's reviews, hence if he says this game is good, I trust his opinion. All I've said is that the PS3 (that has been out for over a year now) still hasn't had one single 10/10 exclusive, this is not fanboyism but undeniable fact! Pretty poor when you consider the 360 got its first 10/10 just a few months into its life with Oblivion (console exclusive at the time). Just look how many 360 10/10's there have been since! These are all facts. It is the Sony apologist idiots who cry and deny these facts who are guilty of fanboyism...Unless telling the truth is now seen as brand loyalty?

  • 3william56 #253 5 years ago

    Can't we have a system where when a user gets a certain number of ignores, they're banned from commenting for life? The sad, small little gent above me, and his apologetic bete noir, would be the first to test the system.

    Glad to hear the demo was only a taster, and it gets better and better. Poor old Jade Redmond though - this is going to slip the final dagger into the back of Assassin's Creed.

    Screams 10/10 to me.

  • DjFlex52 #254 5 years ago

    Best action/adventure game this year... and one serious candidate to Game of the year award.

    @Apologie

    jeez...why do you always go too far, Apologie?
    Granted its a really pretty game, but on Metacritic, it has more 8 scores than 9 scores and no 10s at all.
    Its not even a consensus masterpiece to be even considered in the running for GOTY.

    Edited by DjFlex52 at 15/11/07 @ 06:43

  • Scimarad #255 5 years ago

    Much as I detest the embarassing PS3 fanboys posting in this thread it's nice to see the legions of oh-so-funny morons who love to make idiotic comments about the latest Playstation getting a much needed to kick up the arse;-)

    Unfortunately, a few more of these and the PS3 fanboys will start coming out of the woodwork - Then I'll be deeply embarassed to call myself a PS3 owner as well as the deep shame of owning a 360 and sharing something in common with hoardes of rabid Xbots.

    I remember the comment threads in the old days...
    Edited by Scimarad at 15/11/07 @ 06:56

  • Kryon #256 5 years ago

    @3william56

    You see, you've got upset by reading my post because you know it's true, hence you have no come back except "boohoo, kryon's making me listen to the truth, but I'm a blinkered fanboy cretin and wish to stay that way, so I shall ignore him"

    I actually feel sorry for you son :(

  • Big_Cheese #257 5 years ago

    /preorders

  • lennon #258 5 years ago

    Played the demo last night. Seems like a very solid game apart from the damn annoying sixaxis balancing crap. I cant say the graphics blew me away they look very much... well.. er... this gen really. Basically what I have come to expect.

    Will be trading some stuff in for this come december.

  • Agent_Llama #259 5 years ago

    Played the beginning of the demo last night, looks quite pretty, and the cover system is fun, but switched demo off in frustration at the large gun fight in the temple. Too much shooty shooty for my liking, and the tilt thing with the Sixaxis didn't feel good. Always thought this was being over-hyped beyond belief and this begins to confirm it. Will give the demo another shot though, and Kristan did seem to say it picks up after the start. Still makes me reluctant to shell out the £££ though.
    Edited by Agent_Llama at 15/11/07 @ 10:32

  • Apologie #260 5 years ago

    @lennon

    I cant say the graphics blew me away they look very much... well.. er... this gen really. Basically what I have come to expect.

    ------------------------------------------------------

    The animation in Uncharted is the best i'v seen so far, with beautiful and vibrant backgrounds, according to dev they only used 30% of the system power, imagine that)... very few games can equall it's visual goodness.

  • wa_uk #261 5 years ago

    Yay! Finally game worth getting a PS3 for. Things should get interesting now...

  • monkie_king #262 5 years ago

    Apologie: for the fiftieth time, they *could* only use 30% of the system's power. Do you think they just decided not to bother with the other 70% seeing how 720p with pop-up and tearing was good enough?

    /realises how pointless it is trying to use reason and sense on Apologie.

    edit: I'm not having a pop at Uncharted for the minor graphical hitches, just illustrating the flawed "zomg Uncharted only uses 1/3 of Cell powerz!" logic.
    Edited by monkie_king at 15/11/07 @ 13:40

  • Apologie #263 5 years ago

    monkie_king

    tools are not optimized yet you stupid prick... PS2 potential where only tottaly reached by the 2nd 3rd year of the console's life, remember that. Ps3 is one year old, and already deliver impressive games...
    Edited by Apologie at 15/11/07 @ 13:37

  • PameBoy #264 5 years ago

    BUGGER.

    Now I may actually have to face up to the possibility of buying a PS3 at some point. I genuinely didn't realise this was a platform-exclusive (being in the mindset that PS3 simply doesn't have any exclusives) until I remembered that Sony owns Naughty Dog.

    Well it's still going to take more than one must-buy game to justify the purchase. I also strictly demand a SKU with full backwards-compatibility.

  • monkie_king #265 5 years ago

    Apols: kinda sums up the PS3 so far ... "potentially good".

  • ProdigyBE_OPM #266 5 years ago

    You're missing the point, alfred!

  • monkie_king #267 5 years ago

    bah, i have to go out and get lunch ... can someone stay here and continue to yank apologie's chain for me if he comes back?

    thanks dear.

  • Apologie #268 5 years ago

    monkie_king

    it's already outselling the X360 and launching amazing games, no doubt that it's a good, reliable system... what i would say is that it's potentially much better then X360. "but next year there will be no doubt about that"....
    Don't get me wrong, i like some of the games X360 have, but from now on, that system is somehow explored to the max (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Bioshok, Forza 2) with little improvement from now on in terms of technical performance... on the other hand, Ps3 is just starting.

  • monkie_king #269 5 years ago

    well, that's a fairly dubious assertion. i highly doubt we've seen the best from either machine to be honest.

    don't forget that the 360's GPU simply has more pixel-pushing ability than the RSX, so that'll always hamstring the PS3 slightly -- as that ND interview states, they're having to do part of the GPUs work in the SPUs to relieve the strain on it.

    What's interesting for me is the prospect that PS3-exclusive first/second-party titles will outshine the 360, but multi-platform stuff that's traditionally PlayStation bread-and-butter will look better on 360. Because of the peculiarities of the PS3's architecture, you can't port a generalised engine over to it, and have to spend a lot more development effort to achieve equivalence with the 360.

    That would be an interesting situation, because the PlayStation brand is typically the mainstream, middle-of-the-road choice for most people to play their EA and Ubisoft titles on, and its rivals (N64, Cube, XBox, Wii) have sold on the strength of their exclusives.
    Edited by monkie_king at 15/11/07 @ 14:25

  • Apologie #270 5 years ago

    monkie_king

    Call of Duty 4 and Assassins Creed are equally good "some even say that they'r somehow, in terms of graphics, better for the Ps3", we will see about UT3, "something tells me that Ps3 version will have superior performance"... on top of that, Dirt, Oblivion, Fight Night 3, Darkness etc.... In time, as the developers start to feel confortable with the hardware, multiplatform games will be just as good, or even better for the Ps3, if they want to put the extra effort.
    Edited by Apologie at 15/11/07 @ 15:33

  • Lemming81 #271 5 years ago

    Congrats PS3, You finally have a game that isn't shit or a port.


    ..well until this gets ported to 360/PC etc.

  • ElNino9 #272 5 years ago

    "..well until this gets ported to 360/PC etc."

    Naughty Dog are owned by Sony ;)

  • Apologie #273 5 years ago

    Lemming81

    Bioshok and Gears of War (with added content) have been launched for Pc... Halo 3 in time will too, so..., the X360 is the only platform who doesn't seem to know the meaning of the word "exclusive".
    Now, you don't see Ratchet, Uncharted, Resistance, God of War, Killzone, Heavenly Sword, GT5 etc... ported to the Pc or any other system do you??
    Edited by Apologie at 15/11/07 @ 16:31

  • captainrentboy #274 5 years ago

    Apologie, why do you have the writing skills of a spasticated Walrus? I mean come on, it's a possibility we would even take you a bit more seriously, if you could only construct just one coherent sentence.
    I suggest you get your lapping tongue out of Krazy Ken's shithole, and get yourself back into school/college.
    That, or quite simply kill yourself.

  • captainrentboy #275 5 years ago

    Oh and retard, ''i like some of the games X360 have, but from now on, that system is somehow explored to the max (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Bioshok, Forza 2) with little improvement from now on in terms of technical performance... on the other hand, Ps3 is just starting.''
    But how is that possible? This mere, 8 hour, game alone has almost completely filled a Blu-Ray disc, surely if the PS3's technical performance is unlocked even more then it'll be too much data for a single BR disc to hold....

  • monkie_king #276 5 years ago

    it's easy, if childish, to get a laugh out of him when you're at a loose end though. watch:

    hey Apologie, any PS3 exclusives scored a 90 on metacritic yet?

  • Apologie #277 5 years ago

    My 1st language is not english..., that's why sometimes my writing is not that good...

    @captainrentboy

    This mere, 8 hour, game alone has almost completely filled a Blu-Ray disc, surely if the PS3's technical performance is unlocked even more then it'll be too much data for a single BR disc to hold....

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    is that supose to be funny??? really because you sounded pretty retarded with that comment, only an ignorant person LIKE YOU would question the advantage of BluRay... for instance, the 1st level of Killzone 2, alone, took 3 GB from the disc..., that doesn't make it necessary a 1h journey to the 2nd... developers can invest in graphics, videos, features and so much more instead of just level length. If you think about it, it's pretty stupid to imagine games of 20, 25 hrs..., just doesn't make sence and no one ever promissed that, only better quality.

    And by the way, dev said they only used 30% of the power available. That's saying a lot considering the amazing game they developed.
    Edited by Apologie at 15/11/07 @ 19:32

  • captainrentboy #278 5 years ago

    *Siiigh* What a surprise, you didn't really understand my point.
    Well I don't think you understood my point, I couldn't really decipher what the hell you were on about in that last comment :/
    Just calm down Apologie, and keep fighting the good fight. Sony love you.

  • Les #279 5 years ago

    "A statement like that which, you know, is going to be so very contentious should at least be backed up by some rationale."

    Well, it's been backed up by rationale for about 3 pages...

    "and as a huge admirer of the software line-up on Microsoft's system, that's saying a lot"

    Yeah, it says you like HD versions of decade old games... (not that the PS3's software line-up fares much better BTW in that regard)

  • Yaz #280 5 years ago

    "And by the way, dev said they only used 30% of the power available. That's saying a lot considering the amazing game they developed."

    For which Naughty Dog said on their own website that any dev who states the percentage they're pushing a console are simply blowing smoke. And now they're happy to blow smoke. Hmmm.

    After last gen, I'm surprised there are still gamers who are taken in so easily by "We're only using XX percent of the power" comments. But then again, I guess devs always know that such comments will touch certain types of gamers in ways which will make them groan with pleasure. ;)

    Anyway, I look forward to playing Uncharted at some time in the future.

  • syphon92 #281 5 years ago

    i played the demo few days ago, gr8 gameplay, story is interesting, graphix are great, this is must have for me :p

  • likmarbles #282 5 years ago

    Im not a sony fanboy but i feel Apologie needs an ally. Im with you APOLOGIE
    Ps3RULZ

  • Arwin #283 5 years ago

    I think one of the things out of this that is encouraging for the PS3 (apart from starting to rack up some really good looking titles), is that Naughty Dog also contribute a lot of shared code available for all developers on PS3 (through Edge among others). Will be interesting to see if that has an effect in the near future.

  • smoothn00dle #284 5 years ago

    Heavenly Sword, Ratchet&Clank and Uncharted consistently hitting the Pixar movie bench mark. This is bad for M$ and particular PC. Why would anyone spend thousands on PC hardware while PS3 cost 400 dollars out game PC every way. I predicts high end Gaming PC market crash next few years. This is bad for Dell, Intel and AMD. M$ Windows will be next.

    Intel, M$, Crytek and Epic will nervously watching PS3 cell processor developments. Couple it with Blu-ray, it is kicking ass. 360 has no way to counter this. The best 360 can do is Get HD-DVD but cell-chip Hell No. M$'s last hope is that patent lawsuit , single minded focus to destroy cell-chip. Guess who is behind the suit?

    On Franchise front, Sony is moving forward. Playstation has eight new exclusive IP between 2006 to 2007 : Motorstorm, Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Warhawk(miss PS2), Folklore, Eye of Judgment and Drake. Plus PS's old IP like MGS, FF, GT, GodWar, Killzone, Colossus, R&C and Tekken. In one year, Sony double it franchise size. Something EA said but never succeed. This mean we may see Motorstorm2, Resistance2, HS2, Lair2 and Drake2 at 2009. Sony franchise planning is excellent. I leave out LittleBigPlanet and Haze because it could swing either ways.

  • Yaz #285 5 years ago

    > "I predicts high end Gaming PC market crash next few years. This is bad for Dell, Intel and AMD. M$ Windows will be next"

    Oh SHUT UP p-l-e-a-s-e! (And I mean that in a nice way btw :)).

    EVERY gen we have guys like you saying EXACTLY the same thing. :)

    There's ALWAYS a PC gaming crash just around the corner because of blah blah consoles blah blah price blah blah internet blah blah games blah blah blah. It's always the same arguements and the same skewed logic, and yet gamers like you never seem to learn.

    I've been reading about 'your' end to PC gaming since the days of Doom! That's around 15 years ago. Go on to Google groups and search for PC+gaming+dying or PC+gaming+dead and you'll see the same rubbish you've written here, except back then it was in relation to the PS2 (and it's 'Emotion Engine'), the XBox (even when it was first known as X-Box), the GC (even when it was codenamed Dolphin), the Dreamcast, the Playstation (including when it was the PSX), the N64 (Ultra 64, Project Reality) etc...

    And before you say "Oh but this time it's different", that's what they ALWAYS say. It's always different THIS time! For example, CD on the Playstation and Saturn was a move from the PC, hence the end of the PC's storage advantage and so the end of PC gaming. The power of the PS2's Emoition Engine was suppose to be the end of Intel and therefore the end of the PC. Internet on the Dreamcast meant it was nolonger exclusive to the PC, and so "the PC's only advantage over the consoles is gone, PC gaming will die soon". The HDD on the XBox is also a move from the PC and coming from MS convinced some that "even MS knows PC gaming is dying". The arrival of PC GPUs on the consoles means "PC gaming is dying". Oh but this time it's different, the Cell processor is the latest chip which is suppose to have Intel quaking in their boots (yeah right), and so threatens the PC and therefore "PC gaming will be dead in a few years". Uh huh.

    In fact, I've even found my own posts from back then, where for two gens in a row, I've told gamers like you that in 5 years times, PC gaming will still be here with certain gamers like you predicting the end of PC gaming when the next console gen arrives. And here we are again. :D

    The Cell chip is excellent but nothing special (hence Sony has pulled out from further Cell developement in future!). It a great chip for arithmetic, and that's it's strength, making it about twice as powerful as the 360's CPU (Xenon) for floating-point power on paper. However for running general/main code, Xenon has around twice the power of Cell (games require processing BOTH main code and arithmetic, not just the later). The PS3 has an advantage of more space per disk thanks to Blu-ray, but the 360's DVD drive is faster (hence the PS3 relies more on it's HDD for improving load times). The 360 has an advantage of at least 40MB more ram for it's games compared to the PS3, because the PS3 OS require more (but it's improving). The 360's GPU (Xenos) is noted as being slightly better than RSX. The PS3 has a HDD built-in to every console, but the 360 HDD can also be used to improve game performance (see Oblivion), but MS discourage it (they don't ban it). And so on...

    The point is, there are pros and cons for BOTH consoles, so stop picking up on only the pros for the PS3 whilst pretending the cons don't exist and that pros don't exist for the 360.

    Equally there are pros and cons about PC gaming, and hence the arguements you've put forward are the same ones which are recycled EVERY console generation by those who make the same logical errors today as gamers of yesterday whilst ignoring the lessons of the past.

    So in 5 years time, PC gaming will still be here with gamers predicting the end of PC gaming (LOL, I first said that about 15 years ago :D). ;)

    Edited by Yaz at 16/11/07 @ 07:19

  • Yaz #286 5 years ago

    ^^^

    Sorry for the length of that post. I just had to get a few things off my chest. :)

  • captainrentboy #287 5 years ago

    Yaz fooking PWNED sm00thnoodle, that's right I said PWNED, I'm down with all this l33t speak now, yeah!
    But he does have a point though Yaz, who in their right mind isn't counting down the days until LAIR TWO is released?

  • Kryon #288 5 years ago

    Why is it that PS3 zealots (like Apologie, smoothn00dle and a few others) seem to have serious difficulty in regards to spelling, grammar and general coherency? Could it be that all PS3 owners conveniently don't speak English as their first language or is it that the average proud SDF member is in reality a totally illiterate fucktard?...

    ....I'm betting it's the latter for some reason, funny that, eh...

  • Lemming81 #289 5 years ago

    Bravo Yaz, and may I say that while the PC as a games platform is certainly NOT dying,

    The idea that it IS, only comes from the console developers themselves as of course they want it to die as a games platform - the games are twice the fucking price on a console and look half as good!

  • smoothn00dle #290 5 years ago

    Yeah, right! PC gaming will be the king forever and ever! Love to blast yr bubbles, it won't. I may be wrong or right but the golden age of console graphic is upon us. Unlike PC this time, game visual will surpass Pixar while hardware price go crazily down. In one year, PS3 pricing now at $400 US dollars, some place even sell as cheap as $319. At the same time, U tell gamers to blow thousands on PC for Crysis. Next year, Killzone 2 will likely top any PC FPS visually. Unless PC hardware suddenly go Blu-ray, Xdr ram and drop price down to 500. Like that would happen *v*

    YOu can look at the past for answer but we are living in a digital revolution right now and there is no past. Insomniac just said: Four more years of 'Major leaps' in PS3 graphics. Insomniac could be wrong/right but there is a possibility here and is fucking real. From Resistance to R&C, graphic leap is no joke. Drake just reinforce this trend. On the other hand, after Crysis, PC fps pipeline just dry up. Where is the next big PC game, Gear of War?? 2

    To people who insult me, u can just put me on ignore. Even better go and kill yourself like I care.

  • Lemming81 #291 5 years ago

    "Yeah, right! PC gaming will be the king forever and ever! Love to blast yr bubbles, it won't. I may be wrong or right..."

    @noodle:

    Yeah that's some serious bubble-busting there. Moron.

  • Apologie #292 5 years ago

    Lemming81

    you have to admit that smoothn00dle have a strong point there.

  • Yaz #293 5 years ago

    "you have to admit that smoothn00dle have a strong point there."

    Actually Apologee, he really doesn't. Everything in his reply is exactly the same thing PS2 gamers were saying to me years ago, only the names have changed. It's the same old arguements regurgitated every gen, and it will happen for the next console gen, and the one after and so on.

    So going back to smoothn00dle;

    "Yeah, right! PC gaming will be the king forever and ever! Love to blast yr bubbles, it won't."

    There is no bubble to burst because I don't subscribe to simplistic views of PC gaming is King, or PS3 rules, or 360 forever etc.

    You're entitled to your opinion of the PS3, PC, 360 etc, but you seem to have an exaggerated view of the power of the PS3, whilst conveniently underestimating that of the PC.

    And whilst you may choose to ignore the past, that doesn't change the fact that what you're saying has been said 1000's of times before for well over a decade by countless gamers, and I so look forward to hearing it again next gen. ;)

    (Sorry about all the edits, I'm always making typos :)).
    Edited by Yaz at 16/11/07 @ 14:18

  • Kryon #294 5 years ago

    "Love to blast yr bubbles"

    Is that some kind of Homosexual lingo then...or?

  • Kryon #295 5 years ago

    smoothn00dle & Apologie = Borat

  • smoothn00dle #296 5 years ago

    Let me put it simple

    Q1
    Crysis Recommended Requirements, how much is that cost?

    CPU: Core 2 Duo/Athlon X2 or better
    RAM: 1.5GB
    Video Card: NVIDIA 7800 Series, ATI Radeon 1800 Series or better
    VRAM: 512MB of Graphics Memory
    Storage: 12GB
    Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c Compatible
    ODD: DVD-ROM
    OS: Microsoft Windows XP or Vista
    DirectX: DX9.0c or DX10

    Q2
    Year 2008, Ps3 has Killzone2 and PC has _________?????

  • Lemming81 #297 5 years ago

    @smoothn00dle:

    Are you implying that I bought my computer for one game? Is your PS3 as backwards compatible as my PC? :)

    If it's just a question of cost, then all your saying is you'd have a PC for games if you could afford one and believe me a lot of people (ie ones with jobs and 18+) can afford a PC of today. Mine cost me under £800 and it's a 5.9 rating for games in Vista. That wasn't a deal or anything - you can just get one from overclockers.co.uk.


    How much did your HDTV cost you?

  • Apologie #298 5 years ago

    Lemming81

    How much did your HDTV cost you?

    -------------------------------------------------

    My HDTV cost 1300Euros (no need to be so expensive).... but i will not buy one for a long loooooong time, and it's more usefull then a PC Screen you know.
    Crysis is just a way to show Cry Engine 2 capabilities..., that engine will be bought by developers and used to create games for the consoles... see??? no one is aiming for the Pc market any more, even Crysis serves other purposes and indirectly aims and serve the console gaming comunity.
    Edited by Apologie at 16/11/07 @ 15:47

  • Yaz #299 5 years ago

    "Q1 - Crysis Recommended Requirements, how much is that cost?"

    *Yawn* The old price arguement.

    Do you REALLY think that's new? Do you think it's any different from the cost of a PC required for the most demanding high end games back in the 90s, before and after PCs had 3D accelerator cards? Here's some news for you, it isn't any different, and even then, on average, consoles were cheaper than they are today!

    "Q2 - Year 2008, Ps3 has Killzone2 and PC has _________?????"

    Oh yes, I forgot, games don't come into existance until YOU hear about them, or until you're interested in them. :p

    So let me put it simply too, you are saying absolutiely nothing new regarding PCs vs consoles, and therefore your predictions of a PC gaming 'apocalypse' is as wrong today as it's always been.

    Anyway, I better get back to work. You don't want to get me into trouble now do you? (Don't answer that :)).

  • Kryon #300 5 years ago

    Yaz, you seem far too intelligent to bother arguing with Apologie or smoothn00dle? Why don't you just mock them instead? It's more fun and less time consuming ;-)

  • Apologie #301 5 years ago

    Kryon, these is a comment section, why are you trying to seduce Yaz here???

  • Yaz #302 5 years ago

    "Yaz, you seem far too intelligent to bother arguing with Apologie or smoothn00dle?"

    Thanks, I'm just an older gamer (been so since the late 70s !!!), so I've seen it all before. I'm currently waiting for "Super Zimmer Frame World: Stanner Stair Lift revenge" to be released.

    "Why don't you just mock them instead? It's more fun and less time consuming ;-)"

    That's just not my style Kryon. ;)

    Opposite opinions makes me think, it's more challenging, therefore I like to treat everyone the same level of respect, even if I completely disagree with them (and even if I don't get a respectful answer in return).

    Call me strange, but it's more fun for me that way. :)
    Edited by Yaz at 16/11/07 @ 16:32

  • Drpwnage #303 5 years ago

    "Crysis is just a way to show Cry Engine 2 capabilities..., that engine will be bought by developers and used to create games for the consoles... see???"

    Even though the PS3 and 360 would beg for mercy when confronted with a resplendent Cryengine 2, see??????

  • Apologie #304 5 years ago

    Yaz, can you honestly say to me that in the previous generation, consoles power and graphics where just as close to the Pc's as they are now?? i mean, name me one game besides Crysis...(and that one, not even 99% of the Pc's can run on max) that consoles could not handel??

    the gap between Pc's and Consoles disapeared.... with the added advantage of console's AAA exclusives and no need to upgrade.
    Edited by Apologie at 16/11/07 @ 17:02

  • Drpwnage #305 5 years ago

    Supreme Commander

  • Yaz #306 5 years ago

    "Yaz, can you honestly say to me that in the previous generation, consoles power and graphics where just as close to the Pc's as they are now??"

    Yes.

    Back when we had the SNES and the Mega Drive, those consoles had hardware support for 2D parallax scrolling and sprites, whereas the PC had to rely on the CPU only. The result was that those consoles could hande 2D games far better than any PC upon launch. Like other computers, the PC used it's power to focus mostly on 3D games, and as it became more powerful, even over took the 8-bit consoles for 2D power.

    Then came the Playstation, Saturn and N64. Now those consoles had hardware support for 3D graphics, and upon launch, exceeded the PC in certain areas. They were handling 3D graphics better than PCs upon launch, but the arrival of PC 3D accelerator cards as well as other improvements saw the PC 'take over' the consoles again for performance.

    Then came the PS2 (yes I've skipped over the Dreamcast), with it's Emotion Engine which had greater arithmetic performance than any PC CPU at the time. Again, this saw the PS2 overtake the PC in 'certain areas' upon launch, but then the PC regained the performance crown shortly afterwards.

    Today is no different, because the pattern is always the same. Consoles are released in what we call generations, and therefore console technology makes a big jump every 5-6 years, whereas PC technology is constantly evolving and improving. Therefore if you were to draw a performance graph against time, the PC would be a reasonably straight line and the consoles a staircase line which intercepts the PC's line every 5-6 years (i.e. exceeding the PC overall for a short period after launch).

    So to go right back to your statement, yes in previous generations consoles were just as close to PCs as they are today at the beginning of the generation, only to be left behind by the PC as the years progress. We can see this already on the PC, which besides the lower floating-point power of the CPUs (but improving all the time), is superior to the PS3 and 360 in all other areas of performance, and hence superior overall, and the gap between a high-end PC and the current gen is going to contiune to widen over time.

    " i mean, name me one game besides Crysis...(and that one, not even 99% of the Pc's can run on max) that consoles could not handel??"

    Well let's not dwell on the 'game list' discussion because it's meaningless. Gamers laughed at the idea of RE4 going on the PS2, "It's going to suck" they said, but in the end Capcom did a great job. More relevant to this discussion, gamers laughed when they heard about Doom 3 for the XBox, and again the port was excellent for a console. And let's not even think about the gaffaws of laugher from certain fanboys over Half-Life 2 for the XBox, which again was a great port.

    This goes back to a point I've made before that there isn't anything on the PC that couldn't run on the 360 or PS3 (yes, even Crysis), just as there isn't anything on the PS3 that couldn't run on the 360. And before you jump in... I'm taking about a world where compromises ARE allowed :). So when people say X cannot run on Y, it just isn't entirely true. X may not run on Y *exactly* as it does on the original machine, but it can run on Y with suitable alterations made to the game (just as Doom 3 and Half-life 2 ran on the XBox), and if the devs have the time and inclination, they may even enhance certain areas if possible.

    Ok, I sound like I'm preaching now. It's Friday, and I'm done for now.

    Have a good weekend and happing gaming Apologie and all. :)
    Edited by Yaz at 16/11/07 @ 17:49

  • Kryon #307 5 years ago

    "with the added advantage of console's AAA exclusives"

    Lol, the PS3 doesn't have any, or did you forget about that part...

  • Apologie #308 5 years ago

    Yes, you may be right but... hardware is much ahead of software, and as the install base grows (consoles install base)... more and more developers will be prefering Ps3/WII/X360 to the PC ... as i said, Pc will promote new engines (CryEngine2 for example), nothing more, that will further be applied in the development of console games... in thouse times that you mentioned "SNES, Mega Drive etc..." very few games where multiplatform... nowday's most of them are... and form a developer/buisness men point of view.it's just not profitable anymore to launch exclusive games for the Pc, and by that, they are killing the platform, cost per value, consoles are much better, and if people can play the same games it's bye bye to the Ps's.

    (not to mention somes amazing exclusives that Pc's will never have).

  • Yaz #309 5 years ago

    ^^^ I'm tempted to continue, but I really have to go.

    Have a good weekend. :)

    Until next time.....

  • Grogmonkey #310 5 years ago

    Yup, now that consoles have all those MMORPGs, they don't need to release them on PC anymore.

    Oh wait, they don't. So that's one huge market that consoles haven't tapped. One game alone having 9 million subscribers. That's almost the entire 360 installed base. And do you honestly think those people, that have been playing MMOs on PCs for years, will suddenly jump to the 360 when Conan comes out? I highly doubt it.

    Look at Final Fantasy XI (both on the PS2 and the 360). Its release on consoles didn't even dent the immense MMO-subscriber base on the PC. So that's one genre that will always been seen as PC-centric.

    Then there's the good ol' RTS. They're making a better showing on consoles recently, certainly, but the likes of Starcraft (highest selling game in the history of Korea alone), Total War and Supreme Commander will be, if not exclusive to the PC, the platform of choice for almost everyone. Then there's the Western RPGs (The Witcher, Dragon Age, and the like) that will always have a home on the PC first.

    It's not just about technology (which is pushed first and hardest on PCs), but also about the market. The console market is markedly different to the PC market, and different developers will make different games for different audiences on different platforms.

    Yaz is right; this has all been said before, and will always be proved wrong in the long term.

  • Drpwnage #311 5 years ago


    Grogmonkey and Yaz have summarised it neatly, Apologie your just wrong and failign to understand the market.

  • smoothn00dle #312 5 years ago

    Kryon and Yaz, tell me how long have u guys sleep with each other?

    Back to the topic, where are the fucking PC games for 2008/2009? Show me!

  • Kryon #313 5 years ago

    It seems smoothn00dle has just sent me a private message:

    Dear Master Kryon, i am the lonely gay, please sire i am need to suck of youre willy, quicky luv luv! i are like the slave, becoz my anus is loose of cock

    I don't really understand it but hope you stop sending me this kind of message...

  • Drpwnage #314 5 years ago

    You can't be serious noodle the PC has a great looking line-up for 08/09 with far more innovative titles than the PS3 and 360.

  • Yaz #315 5 years ago

    Last post for the time being.

    "Kryon and Yaz, tell me how long have u guys sleep with each other?"

    It's a shame you have to resort to insults smoothn00dle. As I've said to Kryon, I don't feel the need to make fun of people or insult them just for the sake of it, but instead I prefer to treat people with respect, just as I've treated you and Apologie. I disagree with your views, but that doesn't mean I hold you in contempt or feel the need to stoop to insults.

    I hope in your future replies you can bare that in mind.

    Enjoy your gaming, and have a good weekend (I genuinly mean that, no sarcasm or double meaning intended).

  • Kryon #316 5 years ago

    Yeah, like Yaz just said, get a life you illiterate imbeciles.

    /Disclaimer. Yaz may not have actually said that but he was thinking it and he also wants you to eat shit for Sunday lunch.

  • smoothn00dle #317 5 years ago

    Kryon, are u in kindergarten? Good 4 u, u stop a 355 threads to a hull.

    Dick Cheney , American vice president, when he face a debate that he don't like where it is going, he creates a stalemate to stall the debate. U can go even lower *v* A very young Dick Cheney in training here.

    Back to the topic
    Names, give me names of any exclusive PC FPS game coming out next year. I don't see any.

  • Kryon #318 5 years ago

    @smoothn00dle

    Honestly, where are you from? Maybe you should visit 'SomaliGamer' or just find a place where you can manage to make sense (although, I doubt such a place actually exists..)

  • Lemming81 #319 5 years ago

    "Names, give me names of any exclusive PC FPS game coming out next year. I don't see any."

    The beauty of the PC is, they don't have to be exlusive because they will be:

    a) cheaper
    b) Able to have higher resolution/graphics (Dx10?)
    c) FREE online play.

    You fail.

  • smoothn00dle #320 5 years ago

    @Lemming81

    are we playing cowboys game, who shout "fail" first win. It is not gonna make any difference.

    I firmly believe that high end consumer PC market will collapse next two years. Without exclusive FPS games to justify their expensive price tag.

    No game developers going to develop FPS for PC anymore because without performance advantage, PC FPS wouldn't sell. By the way, DX10 is shit.

  • Lemming81 #321 5 years ago

    @smoothn00dle:

    What is your obsession with FPS? There is more than one genre you know, quite apart from the fact that a mouse+keyboard is always better than a joypad for such things.

    DX10 is shit now is it? OK, mate. I see this is where we've lost you.

    Laters.

  • smoothn00dle #322 5 years ago

    Because FPS games is the main indicator of PC performance. Yes, PC also can play Flash game, too.

    The next PS3 UT3 also support mouse & keyboard.

    Yes, DX10 is shit, it is require Vista and Vista is shit.

    Nvidia 8800 video card did more to boost PC performance then DX10. DX10 is just an interface. It is the hardware that do the work. Why are u so obsesses with DX10?

  • captainrentboy #323 5 years ago

    Yeah Lemming for fuck sake, why are you are sooo obsesses over DX10?.... :)

  • Yaz #324 5 years ago

    smoothn00dle wrote: "Because FPS games is the main indicator of PC performance. "

    For which the PC demonstrates more power and hence outperforms the consoles for every multi-format game, including the soon to be released UT3, for which 1UP recently described the PS3 version as being comparible to the game running on a low-end PC!

    Don't get me wrong, it looks great on the PS3, but to see this game at it's best, you'll need a high-end PC, not a PS3.

    <a href="http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/15623
    ">http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/15623
    </a>

    (Best to download and watch later).

    It is also only running at 30fps on the PS3, whereas PC gamers can get 60fps and more on a sufficently good PC.

    "The next PS3 UT3 also support mouse & keyboard."

    And the game is set to run 20% slower on the PS3 compared to the PC version (to cater for the controller).

    So I fail to see the point you're making here, since the PC DOES have the performance advantage which you seem to be unaware of. :| And as with previous console gens, the performance advantage will increase as PC technology advances.

    "I firmly believe that high end consumer PC market will collapse next two years."

    Every gen, the same comments. Comments which always seems to be more about what the gamer _hopes_ to be true rather than what is likely to be true. ;)

    The point is, there are ALWAYS gamers out there who want to play a game at it's very best (highest framerates, highest resolution, most detail etc), and for multi-format games that requires a PC. And devs also like to see their creations running at their best too, and again this means a PC version. So the PC games market isn't going to go away, no matter how much you want it too.

    For your predictions about the PC games market to be true, we should be seeing developers abandon the PC in favour of the consoles, and we haven't seen that at all. Instead, we've seen an incresing number of games which once would have been console exclusive or console multi-format only, but now include the PC as one of the formats. Today, whenever a multi-format game is announced, the PC almost always seems to be included on the list of formats!

    You also point to PC exclusives whilst ignoring the fact that the market has shifted away from exclusives and more towards multi-format games, due to the cost of next-gen game developement. Yes there are still exclusives from developers large enough to afford it, and from those with support from Sony or Microsoft, but the trend is still away from exclusives.

    So overall, I see no signs to support your predictions of a collapse of the PC gaming market. Quite the contrary in fact. :)
    Edited by Yaz at 18/11/07 @ 18:48

  • smoothn00dle #325 5 years ago

    PC gamers think they are elite, I think they are stupid. Blow so much money on hardware to increase game "FrameRate" to get the advantage over opponents. On console, at least you know your death is base on other players' skill, not the price tag of their machine.

    Your link is dead but Mark Rein, VP of Epic stated on his last interview that the two version will be similar. He said PS3 FR smooth. To be frank, internet has no trusted source anymore, just look at COD4 and AssC. Internet said this version is better than that version ...... Turn out COD4 is almost identical.. Surprise!!

    Nevertheless, UT3 will be a interesting indicator. In a month time both PS3 and PC version will come out. I wish GT will do a PC vs PS3 version comparison like COD4 and AssC. So we can see the difference and settle this argument.

    What is yr obsession with "best", the difference between 60fps and 120fps is useless because human eye can only see the difference up to 60fps. To get over 60fps to the "BEST" level, you have to pay double.

    Trend Multi-platform, what are talking about?? Exclusive game is what make your platform win and sold millions over yr competitors. This is not going to change! The current trend is Winner step over the loser. At least in a foreseeable future.

    Year 2008, PS3 has Killzone2 and PC has _____________????



  • Runtime #326 5 years ago

    What makes people think Killzone2 is going to be any better than the original?

  • Yaz #327 5 years ago

    "PC gamers think they are elite"

    That's the kind of generalisation which I find sad in gamers like yourself.

    Yes SOME PC gamers have that attitude, just as there are SOME console owners who have the SAME attitude, thinking their chosen console is superior to everything else (we usually call them fanboys).

    "Your link is dead"

    It's very much alive. This website is adding extra characters. Delete everything that appears after /15623, or simply directly cut and paste the link from my post (come on, was it really that difficult to work out, or do you not want to see it ;)).

    "but Mark Rein, VP of Epic stated on his last interview that the two version will be similar. He said PS3 FR smooth."

    But of course Mark would say that. The real test comes from those who've actually played both versions and therefore seen both versions running, and from those that have done so, the PS3 version looks like the PC game with low settings (and it's 30fps).

    "To be frank, internet has no trusted source anymore, just look at COD4 and AssC. Internet said this version is better than that version ...... Turn out COD4 is almost identical.. Surprise!!"

    That's not correct. If you listen to gamers discussing the differences from a VIDEO that they see online, then of course you're going to get gamers (often fanbys) claiming one version is superior to another, even when it is plain to see that both versions are almost identical. Read reviews and 'head to heads' from multi-format websites and they say it as it is. Comments from gamers online and reviews from console exclusive websites and magazines should always be treated with suspicion.

    "Nevertheless, UT3 will be a interesting indicator. In a month time both PS3 and PC version will come out. I wish GT will do a PC vs PS3 version comparison like COD4 and AssC. So we can see the difference and settle this argument."

    I'm sure such a comparison will occur, and I hope you're going to accept the truth if it goes against your beliefs. :|

    "What is yr obsession with "best", the difference between 60fps and 120fps is useless because human eye can only see the difference up to 60fps. To get over 60fps to the "BEST" level, you have to pay double."

    This is not MY obsession, I was describing what we ALL know to be true amoungst many PC gamers. And why have you shifted it from 30fps/60fps to 60fps/120fps? You are not going to claim there's no difference between 30fps and 60fps are you? For me, I don't care and never have, because it's about the gameplay and game content. As long as the framerate doesn't drop to the point of spoiling the gameplay, then I'm happy.

    "Trend Multi-platform, what are talking about?? Exclusive game is what make your platform win and sold millions over yr competitors. This is not going to change! The current trend is Winner step over the loser. At least in a foreseeable future."

    Perhaps you should look at the number of game series today which were once console exclusives but no more (the PS has been the biggest loser here due to having more exclusives to begin with). It's also true that the vast majority of new games announced are multi-format games, with the PC included in most.

    Another point is that the PC is not a console, it doesn't survive on selling exclusives. For many PC gamers, just having the best version of a multi-format game is enough of a reason to choose the PC over consoles. UT3 is a perfect example of this. Why would a high-end PC gamer who can run the game at a higher resolution, higher framerate, higher detail, at full speed (not 20% slower like the console version), with mouse and keyboard (PS3 too), with full control for setting up his own servers, creating mods etc..., why would he want to choose the 'inferior' PS3 version or later the 'inferior' 360 version?

    A PC gamer with a low-end PC (like myself) and a console, yes perhaps the console version is a better choice, but a high-end PC gamer is going to choose the PC version everytime, and given the simularities of developing games for consoles and PC today, there is no reason for devs not to develop a PC version anyway, since they have nothing to lose and everything to gain (including seeing their game at it's best).

    "Year 2008, PS3 has Killzone2 and PC has _____________????"

    You make this point yet again, but it's meaningless. I'm not a fan of the Wii, so I can't name the big game for the Wii in 2008, but does that mean Wii sales will collapse just because I don't know (or care) about it's games? Of course not. I'm also not going to assume that every game to be released in 2008 has been announced yet, because (and yes this may surprise you), some games due out next year have yet to be announced, and who's to say that the next 'big thing' is not amoungst the yet to be announced games, including on the PC.

    And let's wait and see how Killzone 2 turns out before acting as if it going to change everything and set the gaming world on fire, because we don't know that. If it's great, FPS fans will buy it for the PS3, and that's it. Why do you keep acting as if this is 'THE GAME' for the PC to compete with?
    Edited by Yaz at 19/11/07 @ 10:20

  • Yaz #328 5 years ago

    "What makes people think Killzone2 is going to be any better than the original?"

    To be fair, I don't think the original tells us much about Killzone 2. True it's not garenteed to be better, but being on a new system, and given the time and investment in the game, it has every chance of being great.

    So far, I think the signs point to the sequel being an excellent FPS, my only question is whether it will really stand out amoungst over games in the genre, i.e. is it another 8/10 9/10 game, or will it be one of the Playstation's first 10/10 FPS?

    Only time will tell. :)

  • Apologie #329 5 years ago

    I don't have any doubt that Pc's will alway's be better in terms of hardware..., what i think is that concerning software they will alway's be 2nd place..., there are many exclusives that don't come out for Pc's and in terms of multiplatform games, all of them are getting out on consoles now, so..., making it run at 120 frames per second, or putting more antialising is not relevant for the majority of us (except Pc gamers)... value per cost consoles are the systems to have if you want good performance, good multiplatform versions, and great exclusives for the lower price..., games like WOW etc... are intresting but let's face it..., you don't buy an expensive PC for thouse.

  • smoothn00dle #330 5 years ago

    "PC gamers think they are elite"
    I got that from BBC : Pushing the PC gaming boundaries
    Do u know what PC gamer are like??

    You can write a book if this keep up. About UT3, we will find out in a month and I be around. UT3 should be a indicator for future PC gaming and PS3.

    I don't understand why drag PS lost exclusive into this, sounds so fanboy. If u read my previous post. Sony has more exclusive franchises than before, just name a few MGS, Killzone, Drake, Ratchet, Singstar, Heavenly Sword, GT and more. Those franchises only appear on Sony platform, no other place. If u want to play Killzone2, don't have PS3. U are shit of luck. If gamer insist to play KZ2, they will have to buy a playstation3. This drive up PS3 install base. Meanwhile, PC has no games, no game to drive up the hardware sale. High end consumer PC market will collapse.

    If a new PC game without any publicity release right now, it will flop. Crysis, Doom3 and Half-life took years to build up hype. I predict the next big PC fps, if there is any, it will release 2009 the earliest. PC has no FPS game for 2008, a whole year. This is bad.




  • Grogmonkey #331 5 years ago

    World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King. The second expansion to a PC-only game that has 9 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. 9 million people who will likely buy that expansion. And even if they don't, the WoW-hype will pull more people in to fill the holes, just as it always has.

    Here's the thing: people will always have PCs. They're useful for doing non-gaming stuff on, like surfing the internet, writing documents, doing finance, and a whole bunch of other stuff. So, people are always going to own PCs. Therefore, PC games don't NEED to drive hardware sales. The hardware sales are already there. In fact, even with a game like Crysis, most modern PCs would only need £300-£400 worth of upgrades in order to get it running to a very high spec. That's about the price of a console, isn't it? (Hint: the answer is yes).

    Also in the future are the likes of Far Cry 2 (currently PC only. The console versions were rubbish, anyway) and Empire: Total War. In fact, I would trade in all my other consoles and games for Empire: Total War alone. But that's just me.

  • Drpwnage #332 5 years ago

    "I predict the next big PC fps, if there is any, it will release 2009 the earliest. PC has no FPS game for 2008, a whole year. This is bad."

    Farcry 2: PC Exclusive expected release date Q2 2008.

    Bloody fanboys!

    Apologie, you are constantly comparing multi-platform titles side by side, claiming the PS3 is better. You then dismiss graphical fidelity in one swoop when faced with the fact that PC games will always look better than the PS3 equivalents and exclusives.

    "..putting more antialising is not relevant for the majority of us (except Pc gamers)".

  • Apologie #333 5 years ago

    Drpwnage

    I compare between X360 and Ps3... not between consoles and Pc's... by the way, Far Cry 2 will be available for X360 as well.

  • Drpwnage #334 5 years ago

    So let me get this straight, you only care about graphical quality when comparing the PS3 to the 360, where judging by the volume and frequency of your posts it is a topic very close to your heart. hmmm.

    Farcry 2 will be first and best on the PC albeit not exclusive (assuming Ubisoft don't bugger it up ofc).

    To alot of PC gamers, only Uncharted will be of interest on the PS3 exclusives list, GT5 possibly if they can cure the sterile game play of previous versions.

  • Yaz #335 5 years ago

    "Do u know what PC gamer are like??"

    Yes, I used to be one from the late 80's to a few years ago, and was a console and arcade fan at the SAME time too (I don't play games as much anymore, since more important things takes up my time now!). So I'm familar with the attitudes of CERTAIN PC gamers, since those with a bad/dumb attitude towards consoles are the PC FANBOYS. Unfortunately, too many people like to take the behaviour of fanboys and generalise the whole group as being the same, which is unfair and wrong. Hence I don't consider PS3/360 fanboys as being representative of PS3/360 gamers anymore than PC fanboys being representative of PC gamers.

    "You can write a book if this keep up."

    Yeah I know, my posts are a bit long. :)

    "About UT3, we will find out in a month and I be around. UT3 should be a indicator for future PC gaming and PS3."

    Yes, let's see when UT3 is released, but I think my observations will be proven correct, especially as they came from those who've already seen both versions.

    "I don't understand why drag PS lost exclusive into this, sounds so fanboy."

    Don't be over-sensitive please. The PS was the dominant format last gen by a mile, where it had by far the greater number of exclusives, therefore the decline of exclusives was always going to effect the PS more by default.

    "Sony has more exclusive franchises than before"

    Believe that if you want, but let's get back to the point about PC gaming.

    "If u want to play Killzone2, don't have PS3. U are shit of luck."

    Well duh! ;) But again, it also depends on how good the game is as to whether anyone will care about not having a PS3 to play it. Equally, the last time I checked, there are many PC gamers who ALSO have consoles (like myself), so stop acting as if we have to be either console gamers OR PC gamers, because many people do both.

    "If a new PC game without any publicity release right now, it will flop. Crysis, Doom3 and Half-life took years to build up hype."

    It all depends on the game. If in the next game show a PC FPS appears which blows us away with jaw dropping graphics and incredible game play, THAT would be all the publicity it needs. So games don't have to be on a slow-burner for years to build up sufficient interest and hype.

    "I predict the next big PC fps, if there is any, it will release 2009 the earliest. PC has no FPS game for 2008, a whole year. This is bad."

    Sure, because even IF your prediction was right, the PC games market couldn't possibly survive on having the best versions of so many multi-format games for 2008. It just can't happen can it. *rolleyes* :) Also, you do know that many of the PC's best selling games are not FPSs, don't you?

    I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. You can be 'Mystic Meg' if you like with your predictions of what will happen in future, but I say let's wait and see that you're wrong... I mean, let's wait and see what happens. :)
    Edited by Yaz at 19/11/07 @ 14:27

  • Yaz #336 5 years ago

    Grogmonkey wrote: "So, people are always going to own PCs. Therefore, PC games don't NEED to drive hardware sales."

    Exactly.

    The fact is, for as long as people have computers in their homes, they want to play games on them, and hence the market for computer games. This is as true today as it was back in the 80's with 8-bit micro computers like the ZX81, ZX Spectrum, Commodore 64 etc to the 16-bit Atari-ST and Amiga computers, to the current PC.

    The PC games market will only die with the PC itself, and the PC isn't going to die anytime soon, and certainly not anytime in the foreseeable future.

  • smoothn00dle #337 5 years ago

    I remember Farcry 2, is that the game, Crytek give up?

    @yaz 80s, you are old. Nowaday PC gamers are full on modding or go Pro. Like sports *v*

    Mass Effect review just out. EG said it shit.. That hurtssss



  • captain-future #338 5 years ago

    Lara Jones then?

    I think it will be a cheesy game, but then I like that.

  • Triggerhappytel #339 5 years ago

    What the Hell happened to these comments?! This whole page is arguements over the capabilities of consoles verses PCs.

    Uncharted, people - remember that?!

  • smoothn00dle #340 5 years ago

    Mass Effect tumbled. Kristan Reed who also review this game, give ME only a 8 because of graphic and AI in the shooting part of the game. How good does Drake look compare to Crysis?

    Uncharted Review form Sam Bishop: One look at the water the opening shoot-out or the absolutely insane draw distance once you're on the island or the way that late-hour sunlight bathes everything in a ruddy orange will absolutely confirm that this system is an absolute beast.

    This just confirm what Kristan Reed say about Drake. I think Darke could be in contend of Best Graphic, Technical video game of the year award. May be even Game of the Year. This will be a slap of face on Bill Gate. A mistake,huh?

  • Yaz #341 5 years ago

    smoothn00dle wrote: "@yaz 80s, you are old. Nowaday PC gamers are full on modding or go Pro. Like sports *v*"

    I prefer 'experienced' rather than 'old'. :)

    Yes, and I've created my own maps in the past, played around with minor mods of my own, and still like to play my favourite PC games online (over 10 years of mouse+keyboard control, starting with Quake, makes me a formidable opponent online :)). And I do play online games as a sport (usually FPS deathmatch), but rarely as part of a team (I prefer being able to jump in and jump out as I please). I haven't left PC/console gaming completely, I'm just not as hardcore as I used to be.

    >"Mass Effect review just out. EG said it shit.. That hurtssss"

    Since when is 8/10 shit? You only come across as a fanboy when you make those kind of comments smoothn00dle.

    Here are some other reviews for ME (average = 92-93%).

    [link url=http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/930279.asp
    ]http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/9...[/link]
    [link url=http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/masseffect
    ]http://www.metacritic.com/games/platform...[/link]

    Now compare it with reviews for Uncharted (average = 87-88%).

    [link url=http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/932984.asp
    ]http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/9...[/link]
    [link url=http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/uncharteddrakesfortune
    ]http://www.metacritic.com/games/platform...[/link]

    So am I to assume those 8/10 scores for Uncharted means the reviewers think the game is shit too? Am I to assume that the higher average score for ME means it's a better game than Uncharted then? Or can we take the common sense approach and realize that reviews are just opinions, and no matter how great a game is, not everyone will enjoy it as much as others (and some not at all).

    EDIT: Btw, UT3 also received 8/10. For all that you were saying about this game, 8/10 means you think this game is shit too I guess. ;)
    Edited by Yaz at 20/11/07 @ 12:03

  • Serraphin #342 5 years ago

    finally picked up a ps3 (60gb + bc ofc) on the back of this indiana jones shenanigans, glad to see some competition to my 360 and wii :)

    finally can put the ps2 to rest and unwrap okami and sotc too, ahhh lovely.

  • smoothn00dle #343 5 years ago

    Experienced? What are u? A stud??
    I think Mature better word..


    Kristian Reed is the man. His review is good. But it is not the score that I am interests in. It is what they said about graphic issues. ME's graphic framerate lag, texture rip and long load time problem. It showed 360 age. Or you call experience *v*

    can 360 and PC keep up with PS3 next few years? It doesn't look good.

  • Yaz #344 5 years ago

    "Experienced? What are u? A stud??
    I think Mature better word.."

    Depends on the context. I've been gaming since the late 70s on the original Pong, that's 30 years of gaming on numerous consoles, numerous computers and arcade machines. So that's 30 years of gaming *experience*. But if you prefer mature, then fair enough, I'm happy with that too. :)

    "It is what they said about graphic issues. ME's graphic framerate lag, texture rip and long load time problem. It showed 360 age. Or you call experience *v*"

    Just as some reviews on Uncharted note the excellent graphics but also mention noticeable screen tearing and texture 'pop in' issues. Nothing is perfect smoothn00dle.

    That has nothing to do with showing the consoles age, it only shows that was the best the devs could do. There are plenty of examples of PS3 games with the same issues. No doubt if there's a follow up to ME, they will improve on all those areas, just as a sequel to Uncharted will probably see a reduction (or even elimination) of screen tearing and texture pop in.

    "can 360 and PC keep up with PS3 next few years? It doesn't look good."

    That's the wrong way around, it's whether the 360 and PS3 can keep up with the PC in the next few years, and since the PC has already overtaken both (just look at UT3 and Crysis), the simple answer is technically no, but in terms of producing great games, yes they can more than keep up.
    Edited by Yaz at 20/11/07 @ 16:52

  • Grogmonkey #345 5 years ago

    The PS3 is a static platform. The PC is evolving every day. To even THINK that the PC can't 'keep up' with the PS3 shows a mind-bending lack of understanding for the PC as a platform, and indeed gaming in general.

    Also the fact that you think being around in the 80s makes you old shows that you must be pretty young, ergo inexperienced and not as wise as us 'mature' folks. You should probably listen to our wisdom more. We know what we're talking about.

    (Also, to keep this thread in an Uncharted-related direction, I think it looks awesome. This and Ratchet are the reasons I'm going to get my PS3. Eventually.)

  • Yaz #346 5 years ago

    "Also, to keep this thread in an Uncharted-related direction, I think it looks awesome. This and Ratchet are the reasons I'm going to get my PS3. Eventually."

    That's excellent Grogmonkey, especially since you would be buying a PS3 for the RIGHT reasons, which is for the games. :)

    For me, I'm more of a FPS fan, so I'm looking forward to seeing how KZ2 turns out on the console (I'm not interested in Haze, but it may surprise me). UT3 feels a bit disappointing given the reviews so far.

  • captainrentboy #347 5 years ago

    I'd just like to express the joy I felt in this comments section when Sm00thnoodle placed FrameRate in inverted commas.
    Pretty much sums up the argumentative bastard's intelligence right there.
    I'm surprised Yaz keeps replying to the double team that is Sm00thnoodle and Apologie, you do realise that they are in no way taking in what you're writing, don't you?

  • Yaz #348 5 years ago

    "I'm surprised Yaz keeps replying to the double team that is Sm00thnoodle and Apologie, you do realise that they are in no way taking in what you're writing, don't you?"

    Perhaps, perhaps not, it doesn't really matter to me, since I'm sure others who may share their views will read the posts, and hopefully some of what I've said will get through to them.

    Besides, like I said earlier, I like to treat everyone with respect (even if I don't get it in return), and smoothn00dle has been respectful in his replies to me, therefore I'm happy to reply to him too. :)
    Edited by Yaz at 20/11/07 @ 17:19

  • Apologie #349 5 years ago

    I don't have any doubt that Pc's will alway's be better in terms of hardware..., what i think is that concerning software they will alway's be 2nd place..., there are many exclusives that don't come out for Pc's and in terms of multiplatform games, all of them are getting out on consoles now, so..., making it run at 120 frames per second, or putting more antialising is not relevant for the majority of us (except Pc gamers)... value per cost consoles are the systems to have if you want good performance, good multiplatform versions, and great exclusives for the lower price..., games like WOW etc... are intresting but let's face it..., you don't buy an expensive PC for thouse.

    Yaz, i like Pc's too, but let's face it..., nowday's things are different, and PC's, at least for now, are not a good investment for gamers.

    Edited by Apologie at 20/11/07 @ 17:50

  • Grogmonkey #350 5 years ago

    @Apologie

    You must have missed my earlier point about not NEEDING to invest in PCs. Almost everyone already has them. And if they didn't, these days you can go into supermarkets and pick up PCs that are capble of running a fair number of modern games for a few hundred quid.

    As for software, the number of console games going to PCs is increasing as much (if not more than) the other way around. Viva Pinata, Gears of War, Assassin's Creed: all heading to PC. It's a glorious tradition harking back decades (even famously including resolutely console-specific games like Final Fantasy VII).

    Let's not forget, all games are developed on PCs first. Not with PC compilers, or with PC-development in mind, but it doesn't take that much to go "Let's use this compiler and try and get it working on PC."

  • Apologie #351 5 years ago

    Grogmonkey

    Yes, but if you want to see some serious improvement in the Pc versions over the consoles, you have to buy expensive hardware and not some medium quality computer... plus, thouse games you mentioned came out for consoles first, and only months down the road there was a port to Pc (that ilustrates the dev's priorities and how they target they'r games for consoles first)..., people have less time to care about computer specs, install, uninstall, update drivers, update hardware etc... all they want is to sit, and in 2 seconds be playing they'r favorite game.
    The exclusives, accessibility, low cost, longer life and quality of nex gen consoles are reducing the appeal that Pc's once had for gamers... to me, that's a fact.

    (sorry about my english)
    Edited by Apologie at 20/11/07 @ 18:35

  • Drpwnage #352 5 years ago

    As mentioned this comments thread is well off topic now.

    Apologie you are completely failing to see the vastly more varied game experiences
    available on the PC that will never arrive on consoles and why many avid PC gamers will continue to game on the PC with a console or two on the side for giggles.

    You posts just show a total lack of understanding of the diverse and complex tastes of people who game on the PC and the PC gaming market. Not everyone wants to play OMFG THE NEXT BIG THING.

  • Yaz #353 5 years ago

    Apologie wrote: "Yaz, i like Pc's too, but let's face it..., nowday's things are different, and PC's, at least for now, are not a good investment for gamers."

    Not at all, things are much the same today as they've been for years.

    Your comments are the same as those I've read in the past where gamers act as if PCs are being bought JUST for games (i.e. an investment for gamers). Whilst this may be true for a very *tiny* minority, others buy PCs with MANY other uses in mind, for which gaming is just one of them. Hence it's just one of many factors which may effect their choice of graphics card, memory, monitor etc upon purchase.

    Also, when it comes to PC games, you don't need the latest greatest PC technology to play them! In fact, I've rarely had the best PC available for the games I like to play, and yet it doesn't matter because PC games are SCALEABLE, where you always have numerous options you can adjust to match the power of your PC. Hence a PC gamer with a low-end PC can happily play the same game being enjoyed by those with a high-end PC, except the graphics will not be as good of course (which doesn't matter to many of us).

    So what if I can't play it at 1600x1200 with 16x Anisotropic filtering and all the settings on maximum whilst achieving over 60fps, I'm just as happy playing the same game at 1024x768 with no AA, medium/low settings at around 30fps!

    Hence as a PC gamer for so many years I know it's not the investiment you claim it to be. I play PC games with the PC I already HAVE, as Grogmonkey states. Now if I later decide I want to enjoy the game with better graphics and a better framerate, then it's my CHOICE to purchase a better graphics card to achieve this, it is not a necessity.

    Right now I'm playing around with the UT3 demo on my 3 year old PC which has an old NVidia 6800 graphics card! This is on the PC I use EVERY day for many purposes besides gaming, from internet browsing/research to programming to creating DVDs etc. Does UT3 look as good as the screenshots and movies of the game on a high-end PC? No of course not, but it still looks good and runs well on my PC, and no extra investment was required. And a PS3 (and later 360) version looking better than my old PC is not going to make gamers like myself rush out to buy a PS3 or 360! If anything, PC gamers who care that much about the graphics are more likely to rush out to buy themselves a better graphics card!

    So I'm not sure why both you and smoothn00dle are so obsessed with the idea of 120fps as if PC gaming is all about high-end PCs where all PC gamers are graphics 'whores' who MUST have the best graphics possible for ALL games, because that is simply not true for the majority of PC gamers. :|
    Edited by Yaz at 20/11/07 @ 20:44

  • smoothn00dle #354 5 years ago

    Nasty! Fucking People..

    If PC is so powerful, why Microsoft, a PC OS company, join the console race? Because PC gaming has been decline for the past 20 yrs. 360 is the proof that PC gaming has some serious problem.

    @Yaz
    I asked Krudster, the reviewer of this game and Mass effect on Mass effect comments 250-300. His replay: Texture tearing, Drake rarely and Mass effect often. That's fucking big difference.

    PC is dynamic, so is always more powerful. How do explain the PS3? Cell chip and Blu-ray, right now are the most systems in the world. PC gamers spend thousand dollars on PC, that don't even has blu-ray and XdrRam. This 400dollars console is outperform PC, just look at the game - Uncharted and Clank. They are only the first generation PS3 game. Of course, PC can always copy PS3 hardware but that takes times and they still has the price issue. The way I see, high end consumer PC market is going to collapse. PC gaming need to lower it price point to stay competitive.

    @captainrentboy, I have no idea what u talking about? It sounds like u have an IQ lower than north pole. Stop talking out yr ass.. use yr mouth..


  • Drpwnage #355 5 years ago

    "If PC is so powerful, why Microsoft, a PC OS company, join the console race? Because PC gaming has been decline for the past 20 yrs. 360 is the proof that PC gaming has some serious problem."

    MS have never made PC's, you clearly don't understand MS's corporate strategy in entering the Console market. HINT: it had nothing at all to do with PC gaming.

    "360 is the proof that PC gaming has some serious problem."

    Actually most PC owners enjoy the superior, more frequent console ports now available.

    "@Yaz
    I asked Krudster, the reviewer of this game and Mass effect on Mass effect comments 250-300. His replay: Texture tearing, Drake rarely and Mass effect often. That's fucking big difference."

    And here you display all your glorious fanboy colours with a totally irrelevant comment.

    "PC is dynamic, so is always more powerful. How do explain the PS3? Cell chip and Blu-ray, right now are the most systems in the world. PC gamers spend thousand dollars on PC, that don't even has blu-ray and XdrRam."

    Why does a PC need Bluray? it offers nothing to PC gaming in a world of HDD installs. XdrRam again irelevant.

    "This 400dollars console is outperform PC, just look at the game - Uncharted and Clank. They are only the first generation PS3 game."

    Look at Crysis which shits all over both those titles, requiring only a £150 8800GT gfx card to run in the same resolution as most console games.

    "The way I see, high end consumer PC market is going to collapse. PC gaming need to lower it price point to stay competitive. "

    I bet Nvidia, Amd/Ati and Intel are knocking at your door looking to employ you as a novel thinking market analyst...or perhaps not.

    Evidently you haven't realised that the high-end consumer, enthusiast PC gaming market is NOT price sensitive. In fact if you had done any kind of research at all you would have seen that this is a fast growing sector of the PC market that companies are falling over themselves to exploit for precisely this reason.

    If I was in your shoes noodle I would be embarrassed by the level of ignorance shown in my posts that is plain to see to most people, apart from your fellow fanboy Apologie.
    Edited by Drpwnage at 20/11/07 @ 23:27

  • Yaz #356 5 years ago

    Smoothn00dle, you do sound very young, hence I think you have a lot to learn. :)

    Uncharted and Clank would look and run better on a high-end PC, but of course, those games are never coming to the PC so it doesn't really matter.

    And let's not forget what you said earlier, which was "Nevertheless, UT3 will be a interesting indicator. In a month time both PS3 and PC version will come out". I'll remind you of that when the first PC vs PS3 comparison videos appear. ;)

    Anyway, it's been fun talking to you online, but let's just agree to disagree for now.

  • smoothn00dle #357 5 years ago

    Opening the Xbox: Inside Microsoft's Plan to Unleash an Entertainment Revolution
    by dean tekahashi

    Intel told M$ Bill Gate, Xbox is going to loose at least few billion dollars in console market. Intel also consider going into the console market to stop console expansion but M$ step in first for the same reason.

    People just don't read nowadays. You can points to points down my argument but is not going to change the fact that high end consumer PC has no game to justify it price.

    Year 2008, PS3 has Killzone2 and PC has _________?

    Is my age have anything to be to do with this? I think I am hitting a nerve here. This is no 90s. Are u IN or OUT?

  • Drpwnage #358 5 years ago

    As Yaz said "Smoothn00dle, you do sound very young, hence I think you have a lot to learn. :)"

    It's pointless arguing with adolescent's, you don't have a grasp of the industry and change your arguments.

  • smoothn00dle #359 5 years ago

    @Drpwnage

    U know i am here. U can said that to me directly. I think u are scare that I know u know that I know u talk shit. Keep it up, u can be FOS (full of shit).

  • Kryon #360 5 years ago

    I are adolesent monky BABOON...I does not liek der 360 or PC becoz I am teh retarded monkey brain imbecile RUFF RUFF! GGGRRRRAHGH!!!





    /ooga booga

  • Grogmonkey #361 5 years ago

    "People just don't read nowadays. You can points to points down my argument but is not going to change the fact that high end consumer PC has no game to justify it price."

    ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH

    Please read the following very carefully:

    PCs DON'T NEED A HUGE GAME TO JUSTIFY THEIR PRICE. ALMOST EVERYONE ALREADY HAS A PC.

    Seriously, you need to understand this.

    Furthermore, smoothn00dle and Apologie are two doing very bad things: 1) overestimating the minimum specs required to run most games (as Yaz alluded to), 2) overestimating the price (whilst simultaneously underestimating the value/features) of modern PCs. Here's an example: the back of my recent PC Gamer has an advert for a PC that could probably run Crysis on max settings for £700. Not £2000, or whatever other number you feel you need to pull out of your ass. £700.

    As for Microsoft entering the console market, they purely did it for the money. They saw how well Sony was doing and wanted a piece. There's no great conspiracy there.

    Lastly, let's look at one of the greatest expanding sectors in gaming: the casual market. Which the PC has been at the forefront of for years. Not everyone wants to play Crysis. Most people are happy to spend £10 on Bejewelled or Peggle or Feeding Frenzy, or any one of 1000 other casual games. It's a HUGE market, and it started on the PC. And it's still growing. On the PC. The only reason the Wii and DS are focused on more is because it's easier to calculate the numbers of casual gamers.

    Anyone that thinks the PC platform is dying really does not understand the gaming market. At all. Really.

  • TriggerHippie #362 5 years ago

    I think where you're going wrong there Grog, if you'll indulge some slight critisism, is that you're presenting coherent arguments written in understandable English.

    Seriously though. People have been knelling the bells pronouncing the death of PC gaming for years now. Its just not going to happen. It has to be realised that people with the disposable income to indulge their technology fetishes WANT to spend large amounts of money for the shiniest new bits and bobs in order to have a rig they can be proud of.

    The console trolls can start up their pissing contests in every form they can find, they're not going to dissuade anyone that wants a kick ass PC from shelling out for that next gen graphics card or memory or CPU's they can overclock into tomorrow. Even if they could present their arguments in a language anyone else could understand.
    Edited by TriggerHippie at 21/11/07 @ 09:59

  • Drpwnage #363 5 years ago

    "@Drpwnage

    U know i am here. U can said that to me directly. I think u are scare that I know u know that I know u talk shit. Keep it up, u can be FOS (full of shit). "

    I'm pleased, the way you have responded to me above just demonstrates your ignorance. Or perhaps I'm not communicating on a level you can comprehend? lets try this..

    /ooga booga

  • smoothn00dle #364 5 years ago

    hahaha U really are a FOS. Communication is fine, is yr content that is the problem.
    Edited by smoothn00dle at 21/11/07 @ 15:38

  • Apologie #365 5 years ago

    I didn't said that Pc's are dying... what i said was that nowday's consoles present an overall better package then Pc's in what concerns gaming... exclusives, price, the no need to upgrade for at least 5-6 years, the backwards compatibility, good multiplayer service, amazing graphics, browser (ps3), Hi DEf movies, new technologie (BluRay) etc... i mean, these is what most gamers want... if you want to play with your friend, console is the system of choice, if you like to play on-line, consoles do it to for you, they'r controllers are more confortable, you can play a shooter, sports Game, Rp'G etc... laying on your bed, and not seated in front of a screen with mouse and keybord...

  • Grogmonkey #366 5 years ago

    @Apologie

    There's nothing that you've just listed that can't be done on PCs. Most of the stuff can be done better. Online, price (games are £15-£20 cheaper), Hi-def? Please. Hi-def is 1080p resolution. My PC monitor is currently running at 1200, and it can go higher. Technology? Multi-core CPUs started on PCs (just not with 7 cores). Blu-ray players are available for PCs. Physics cards, graphics cards; all technology implemented into PCs first. And there is NO platform that is as backwards compatible as the PC.

    You REALLY need to do some research before you go online and start spouting a bunch of unsupported, opinionated rubbish that doesn't hold to any scrutiny at all.

  • Moz #367 5 years ago

    @Apologie

    I think your confusing your personally preference with any kind of facts.

    Personally I too prefer playing on a console, as the last thing I want to do when I get home from work is continue to sit at a desk.

    But I think you'll find that is no longer a singular "gamer" type anymore pretty much every one and their grandma (thanx to Wii) plays computer games and computer games have been out selling DVDs for some time now.

    Every gaming platform has it's good and bad points, just play what ever is right for you.

  • Apologie #368 5 years ago

    Grogmonkey

    man, you rally need to read carefully before strating to critisize... i never said that Hi-def and the other technologies are consoles exclusive... what i said is that thouse features are now presented in consoles, and that makes them an overall better package.
    Edited by Apologie at 21/11/07 @ 13:53

  • TriggerHippie #369 5 years ago

    Apologie, its not an either or situation. People who want or need a PC are going to have one regardless of what a console can offer.

  • Grogmonkey #370 5 years ago

    So your argument is that consoles are a better package because they have finally caught up, technologically, with PCs? And normal people are willing to spend £300 on a new console, despite already OWNING a PC because... ?

  • smoothn00dle #371 5 years ago


    PC and Console in particular PS3 is merging. PC has hard disc. Now console has hard disc. Console can play online, too. PS3 support blu tooth.. wireless keyboard and mouse is an option. Gamers can sitting on a crunch in a living room, relaxing away with game on 46inch TV.

    PC has no exclusive FPS games for the next two years. PS3 has Killzone2. The performance game is shifting to console. I firmly believe Cell surpassed intel CPU's power.

    Price is PC's weak point, it is so dynamic each new game require new hardware. In 5 yr, PC gamers need to upgrade this system several times. On the other hand, my Ps2 require no upgrade for past five years. I can play all the PS2 games from 2001 to the latest. Strangely, the game graphic improves as it go, without any hardware upgrade.

    Thousand dollar machine will not sell when console cost $400 dollars can play the same game. If the household already own a PS3, there is no need for PC to upgrade to play the same game. Will PC gaming die, no, at least they always has MMO and flash games. Will PC FPS flourish like the 90s, I doubt it.

  • TriggerHippie #372 5 years ago

    smoothn00dle, as much as I'd like to address your points one at a time I'm going to deal with them as a whole.

    You're talking shite.

    And as a PS3 owner I'd like to plead for people to stop talking about Killzone 2 like its a solid gold guarenteed AAA title. Did the original Killzone teach you nothing?
    Edited by TriggerHippie at 21/11/07 @ 20:54

  • Apologie #373 5 years ago

    Grogmonkey

    You have the exclusives, and by that i'am refering to some of the best games ever made, from both an artistical and tecnhincal point of view... consoles perform better then the vast majority of PC's, and can somehow compete in terms of visual goodness with high end computers.... you have features like multiplayer, internet browser, new technologie like BluRay... and on top of that, the lower price. (some graphic cards are 2 times the price of a console). To me, nothing justifies the price of a high spec computer when you have consoles like Ps3 and X360 taking all the goods, with great multiplayer and just as good versions of multiplatform games... simplicity is an advantage too, face it, PC gaming is a technical nightmare compared to console gaming. People can actually take a console home and be playing a game within minutes. No operating systems to configure or drivers to update, and better still, no purchasing a game only to find out that it isn't compatible with your PC for some obscure reason. Again, consoles are overall better then Pc's for gaming.

    But that's just my opinion...
    Edited by Apologie at 21/11/07 @ 15:59

  • smoothn00dle #374 5 years ago

    @TriggerHippie

    That is because u don't have any pts to argue with. I am happy to reason with u.

    About Killzone2, not 3. From the E3 trailer, it looks promising. May be second time lucky!

    Apologie, I like yr options. We should talk more often. Give me FIVE *v*

  • TriggerHippie #375 5 years ago

    @smoothn00dle

    What i'm saying is that no-one who is looking for a PC is going to buy a console instead so the price is irrelevant. Its not a case of "i'll buy a pc OR a console". Its far more likely to be "I have a PC and I'll get a console to play the games I can't get on the PC" or "I can't afford a gaming PC so now I have to choose which console I'm going to buy".

    Your arguments have been shot down by people far more able than me and you obviously haven't taken the time to read their posts properly. You're trotting out the same tired old arguments again and again oblivious to reason. This argument appears in the wake of the release of every new generation of console since the PS1 and yet PC gaming persists. You don't have to like it, you don't have to buy a PC, but please stop telling us that those of us who want a PC would ever buy a console instead.

  • smoothn00dle #376 5 years ago

    @TriggerHippie

    U didn't read my post properly. I never said
    "telling us that those of us who want a PC would ever buy a console instead"

    "price is irrelevant"
    Are you going to pay for my PC upgrade? Give me the money then price is irrelevant.

    This is the recommend spec for Crysis. How much does that cost gamers?

    CPU: Dual-core CPU (Athlon X2/Pentium D)
    Graphics: Nvidia 7800GTX/ATI X1800XT (SM 3.0) or DX10 equivalent
    RAM: 1.5GB
    HDD: 6GB
    Internet: 512k+ (128k+ upstream)
    Optical Drive: DVD
    Software: DX10 with Windows Vista

    high end PC gaming hardware is just too expensive. About vista, that's another thing that piss off, it doesn't give us a choice. This game force us to use vista. Fuck u, crytek!

  • Grogmonkey #377 5 years ago

    @smoothn00dle

    I don't know about anyone else, but a PC worse than the Crysis recommended spec cost me about £300. Because, as already pointed out numerous times, most people already have a PC, and everything else is just upgrades (my upgrade consisting of 2GB of RAM and a 512mb nVidia 7950).

    Honestly, there's not many more ways I can try to put across the fact that you don't need to go out and buy a whole new machine just to play a new game. Most PC gamers are perfectly happy to tinker about inside their machines, anyway, so the whole 'most people don't want to/can't upgrade' argument is nonsense (so don't bring it up :p).

    Also, I'm running Crysis on XP. Out of the box. So, you know, maybe do some research into the game and/or company before you decry it/them.

    Anyway, enough from me. I'm just going around in circles now.

  • smoothn00dle #378 5 years ago

    About DX10 and Vista

    "The game officially limits in-game settings to "high quality" in Windows XP, while Windows Vista gets an additional "very high quality" graphics setting. Crysis still looks good at high quality, but it's a noticeable step down from the very high quality settings. "

    Crysis has many different quality settings. Low, mid, high and very high. Low and mid look poor, runs on low end PC. If u follow my comments, I firmly high end PC market will collapse because to play Crysis on high or very high, u will have to upgrade or buy a new computer to play and is not cheap. In yr case, u can't play very high quality even if u have an $600 nvidia 8800 display card because u don't have vista. What are choice? Kinda creepy.


    an Dual-core CPU with Nvidia 7800GTX/ATI X1800XT PC is only for one purpose. Gaming. 7800GTX only come out last two years. So if u buy a PC three years ago, u are out of luck. U already spent a thousand on 3yrs old PC, now require u to spend another $300 to upgrade the display card. Total expense is a thousand plus $300 in four years time. U didn't include the cost of the original PC, didn't u? Try to trick me.

    My PS2 console cost me $400 at 2001. That is only cost I pay for my PS2 hardware to now. And PS2 games don't require me to spend more money on hardware to play their latest game.

    The question I asked u is

    Do u crysis on high or very high setting? Who is yr daddy?

  • Grogmonkey #379 5 years ago

    "an Dual-core CPU with Nvidia 7800GTX/ATI X1800XT PC is only for one purpose."

    Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong. Any PC you buy in the shops these days are almost guaranteed to be dual-core. They've become the standard. And these PCs you can buy for £500, if you shop around. These aren't gaming PCs. These are just normal, everyday PCs that a normal person would buy to do normal PC things.

    I don't include the original cost of the PC (to try and trick you? What?), because we're talking about the cost of getting a PC to an acceptable gaming standard. As I've tried to impress upon you many, many, many times, the original cost of the PC doesn't come into it because:

    [deep breath...]

    PEOPLE ALREADY USE PCS FOR THINGS OTHER THAN GAMING. EVERYONE ALREADY HAS A PC, SO IT'S NOT FACTORED INTO THE OVERALL COST.

    It's like me saying "Yeah, but you need a £1200 flatscreen TV to game with a PS3 (or, to a lesser extent, 360)." If you've already GOT a TV, you don't NEED a new one to use a PS3. In the same way, if you've already GOT a PC, you don't NEED a new one to play PC games. Please try and understand this. Please?

    I play Crysis on medium settings at the moment (I've not downloaded the lastest nVidia drivers, nor messed about with the settings yet), and it still looks better than 99% of console games out there right now. That includes Wii, 360 and PS3. If you think Crysis looks crap on medium settings, you've never played Crysis on medium settings. Or are just being obtuse...

  • Yaz #380 5 years ago

    Hey smoothn00dle, why did you delete your last reply here? The one with the comment "With or without u knowing it, u already pay for a gaming PC." ;)

  • smoothn00dle #381 5 years ago

    Do u really need an AMD duo core/Nvidia 7800GTX to send email and doing assignment?? With or without u knowing it, u already pay for a gaming PC. If I don't include the original PC cost that would be double standard. PS3 is a Linux computer, too.

    Do u know how many PC sales at 2004? 100 million, most of a business PC and the rest go consumers. It is good economy, people flush with money, buy a whole new PC. Why are u so obsesses with "need to upgrade" gaming experience? PC game hardware are fuzz logic. Some ppl upgrade and some ppl buy a new one. It is unknown factor.

    Yr argument headed to the wrong direction. In a few years, PS3 can do everything PC can do because it is linux station. U can do work on it, send email, office, photo editing and 3d editing. The potential is endless. The crytek guy Michael Khaimzon, he is wrong. PS3 linux can do 3d editing, too. Total cost $400 dollars.

    Beauty in the eye of the beholder. I find Uncharted look better than Crysis.

  • smoothn00dle #382 5 years ago

    it is easier just delete and post a new one.

    Looks better.. U should try it *v*

  • Grogmonkey #383 5 years ago

    Now you seem to have completely changed your argument. All of a sudden the PC market is huge and for 'people flush with money'? So it's not going to die because of the PS3? Make up your mind...

    Also, for the last time, and in a step by step format to make it easy to understand:

    * Everyone already has PCs for non-gaming purposes.

    * Therefore, people don't need to buy a whole new PC just to play games. (

    Edit: The internet ate the rest of my post. I'm sure we all know it was an insightful piece of gaming-related genius, though. But I'm not going to repost it.
    Edited by Grogmonkey at 22/11/07 @ 14:18

  • Yaz #384 5 years ago

    "Looks better.. U should try it *v*"

    No thanks. :)

    "In a few years, PS3 can do everything PC can do because it is linux station. U can do work on it, send email, office, photo editing and 3d editing."

    You're only fooling yourself if you really believe that. And why a few years? Why not now? You can install Linux TODAY!

    Prior to the PS3's launch, certain PS3 fans (and many fanboys) were claiming they will no longer need their PCs because they will be installing Linux onto their PS3s and using that instead. So tell me, are you using a PC right now or a PS3 to browse this website and to reply to this thread. Well given that you say "in a few years..." it's clear you are STILL using a computer for this task, like the vast majority of gamers here.

    So much for the PS3 doing everything a PC can do. And it will remain this way because despite gamers falling for the hype of turning your PS3 into a computer, it's still not going to be as good or as flexible as a PC.

    "PS3 linux can do 3d editing"

    And I can do 3D editing better with a PC. So your point is? ;)

    The fact is, the PS3 is an excellent console, and the vast majority of gamers are only interested in it as a games console. Yes some will watch Blu-ray movies, some will even play around with Linux, but in the end, it's still just a games console, and so you shouldn't get caught up with the idea of it being anything else, especially when you yourself are not using it for such purposes (i.e. as a PC). :p
    Edited by Yaz at 22/11/07 @ 14:25

  • Apologie #385 5 years ago

    You have the exclusives, and by that i'am refering to some of the best games ever made, from both an artistical and tecnhincal point of view... consoles perform better then the vast majority of PC's, and can somehow compete in terms of visual goodness with high end computers.... you have features like multiplayer, internet browser, new technologie like BluRay... and on top of that, the lower price. (some graphic cards are 2 times the price of a console). To me, nothing justifies the price of a high spec computer when you have consoles like Ps3 and X360 taking all the goods, with great multiplayer and just as good versions of multiplatform games... simplicity is an advantage too, face it, PC gaming is a technical nightmare compared to console gaming. People can actually take a console home and be playing a game within minutes. No operating systems to configure or drivers to update, and better still, no purchasing a game only to find out that it isn't compatible with your PC for some obscure reason. Again, consoles are overall better then Pc's for gaming...

    Why are you guy's talking about features that have nothing to do with games or entertainment?? we all know that Pc's can do many many things, but that have nothing to do with the issue.....
    Edited by Apologie at 22/11/07 @ 14:56

  • smoothn00dle #386 5 years ago


    @Grogmonkey

    I never said PC gaming going to die. I said High end PC consumer hardware market will collapse because there is no game to justify it price. Low end PC(sub $500) on the other hand can still play Wii or flash game. Yes, PC is huge but not in gaming.

    @Yaz
    Why are u editing so many times? Can't make up your mind..

    It will be a stoke of brilliance, if Sony release Killzone2 map editor on PS3 linux, allow gamers to use mouse and keyboard to code the level. Save the level in the hard disk and share the levels with everyone online. All on PS3. That will be fucking roockk!

    Sony listen to me, a new world to explore here *v* Not just killzone, any game editors. We can set up an development house in little black box, we call home!

    By the way, we will see what happen then. Life is still young.. at least for me it is.

  • Yaz #387 5 years ago

    Anyway, I've got to get back to work now, but just one observation smoothn00dle...

    It seems a lot is going to happen 'in a few years'. According to you, the high-end PC games market will crash...in a few years. You predict there will be no PC FPS exclusive until 2009, i.e. in a few years. And now you say the PS3 will do everything a PC can do...IN A FEW YEARS. EVERYTHING is in a few years. :)

    Eventually, enough time will pass for you to finally realize that there isn't going to be a PC 'high-end' games crash (since it isn't a seperate market), that the PS3 is not doing everything a PC can do etc, but I guess you will only realize this... in a few years. ;)

  • Yaz #388 5 years ago

    Final response for the moment to the posts which appeared above.

    @smoothn00dle

    "Why are u editing so many times? Can't make up your mind.. "

    Mostly correcting spelling and grammar. You may be happy to leave your errors, but I prefer to correct mine. :)

    "I never said PC gaming going to die. I said High end PC consumer hardware market will collapse because there is no game to justify it price."

    There has never been a game to justify it's price and there has never been a PC game which ONLY the high-end PC gamers can enjoy. The money in PC gaming is made from the MAJORITY of PC gamers who have a low to medium spec PC, and therefore ALL the games can scale down to run well on such PCs (hence UT3 on my low-medium spec PC). High-end PC gaming is a LUXURY which exists BECAUSE of the market as a whole, and is catered for by PC games because it exists, not because gamers need high-end hardware to play the games! As I've said before, devs want to see their games at their absolute best, and a small minority of gamers want to play those games at it's best, whatever it costs (they can afford it).

    Hence it has always been the case that a tiny minority of PC gamers have the hardware necessary to run the latest power-hungry PC games at their absolute best (these are usually the 'Elite' PC gamers you referred to earlier)! All other PC gamers run the games at various degrees below the best settings, and these gamers have ALWAYS been the majority and therefore are responsible for most of the money which comes into the PC market.

    So there isn't going to be a crash of the high-end PC market because it doesn't exist in a bubble, it's not a seperate market, but instead it's a luxury part of a wider market which has always existed due to the diverse range of PCs available and the fact that it is continuously improving and evolving.

    @Apologie

    "To me, nothing justifies the price of a high spec computer when you have consoles like Ps3 and X360 taking all the goods"

    I hear what you're saying Apologie, but the fact is, the vast majority of PC gamers also don't believe anything justifies the cost of a high spec computer JUST TO PLAY GAMES (PC gamers have argued about this amoungst each other on forums for years). Hence most are happy with the hardware they've got, whilst playing PC games on lower settings. When they do upgrade, it's usually at a time when it's not only new games running relatively poorly on their PCs, but other applications running poorly too. Hence they can now justify upgrading or even buying a new PC (with games being one of many factors which will affect their choice of PC).

    -----(Lot's of edits this time ;)).
    Edited by Yaz at 22/11/07 @ 16:01

  • smoothn00dle #389 5 years ago

    But do u suppose to check your spelling and grammar before u hit the "Speak your brain" button.

    We will see then, should we? Yes, that luxury part is about going out of business. PC need to lower it price to stay competitive. The performance advantage is gone. Uncharted is a wake up call for PC hardware/game developers.

    PS3 linux has a lot potential in term of game editor/mod. This can act as a hook to other applications like video editing, webpage, hacking and Sony network game development tools. Then on to something more mainstream like Open office and chat. PS3 as hacking tool is quite interesting. With Cellchip, how fast can it crack a password, firewall. Especially in scanning data. Couple with dictionary tactic. This is a fucking weapon.



  • smoothn00dle #390 5 years ago

    I am bit carry away.. out of the topic...

    Uncharted is a good game *v* So want to play it

  • Apologie #391 5 years ago

    smoothn00dle

    Yes, i think Uncharted is one of the best looking games ever... anyone know's the release date in Europe?

  • Grogmonkey #392 5 years ago

    December 7th.

    (PS: The 'luxury', high-end PC market is, ironically, the most stable PC market. Those guys spend £2000 a year on PCs because they WANT to, not because there's no other choice. They're often as bad a platform fanboy as the worst console fanboy. I've talked to dozens of high-end PC users who will never, ever touch a console. Ever. And the story is the same wherever you go.)

    (PPS: You're wrong again, smoothn00dle. Uncharted is an AMAZING game. :p Can't wait to see how the franchise turns out.)

  • GamesProgrammer Verified Games Team Programmer, Eutechnyx Ltd. #393 5 years ago

    Dont know what bomb went off in this thread but Drakes Fortune looks cool, definatley be buying on release.

  • Apologie #394 5 years ago

    GamesProgrammer

    No bomb... the issue was wich platform is better for gaming... Pc or console.
    By the way, i know is off topic but i was suprised to see that Call Of Duty 4 and Assassins Creed run and look better (even if slightly) on PS3...
    Edited by Apologie at 22/11/07 @ 17:53

  • mark1 #395 5 years ago

    "Dont know what bomb went off in this thread but Drakes Fortune looks cool, definatley be buying on release."

    Well said! Think I'll be getting this myself for chrimbo.

  • byron_hinson #396 5 years ago

    Got it in the post today - excellent so far with fantastic graphics.

  • Apologie #397 5 years ago

    December 7th.

    Ok, thx.

  • Apologie #398 5 years ago

    By the way, what's the release date for Kane & Lynch: Dead Men??? looks a very cool as well.

  • Decap #399 5 years ago

    "Truly, Uncharted is the first game I've seen to date that makes me wonder if it could be done on the Xbox 360"

    Ok, game might be pretty and good but this sentence is just absolutely childish.
    Reviewers are now also contributing to this ridiculous fanboyism-war with flames like this..?

    Come on, enjoy the beautiful game and leave this stupid comparing to the teenagers on every thread on the internet.

    Im pretty disappointed, have not seen such things on EG-reviews before. :/

  • Kryon #400 5 years ago

    Agree with Decap...

  • urban #401 5 years ago

    mass effect had 440 comments, drakes had 439. til now.

    even stevens.

  • Yaz #402 5 years ago

    "But do u suppose to check your spelling and grammar before u hit the "Speak your brain" button."

    Come now smoothn00dle, your english has been rather poor throughout this whole thread, including that sentence itself ("But do u suppose to";), and yet I have never made it an issue because I understand what you mean. :|

    So quit making an issue out of my edits please when your own posts are full of errors. ;)

    "We will see then, should we?"

    Yes we will, but long before then, we'll also see what happens with UT3 for the PC and PS3 (I haven't forgotten).

    "PS3 linux has a lot potential in term of game editor/mod...."

    Again, don't talk about potential of linux on the PS3 or what it *may* be able to do, talk about what you're doing with it NOW. Why aren't you using Linux on the PS3 instead of your PC!

    A number of gamers installed Linux on their PS3s shortly after launch, and yet what are they really doing with it? Seems to me most of those gamers simply did so out of curiousity, but in the end, they've gone back to using their PCs for general computing tasks because it's much better. In fact, I have yet to meet anyone online who has abandoned his PC in favour of using Linux on the PS3.

    The PS3 is a first class console (and beautifully designed), but it's a second class PC (sorry, but it's true), and therefore a future where gamers replace their PCs with a PS3 is just not going to happen.


  • TriggerHippie #403 5 years ago

    Don't feed the monkeys!

  • Grogmonkey #404 5 years ago

    But we're hungry :(

  • Yaz #405 5 years ago

    ^^^ :D

  • smoothn00dle #406 5 years ago

    *v*

  • GitSomE_UK #407 5 years ago

    |I have Killzone underpants

  • Apologie #408 5 years ago

    I must say that until someone develop a game for the X360 as good looking as Drakes Fortune... "wich, i think will never happen"... i must say that the Ps3 is indeed superior, only Crysis and Heavenly Sword can compete with these, brilliant art direction and technical execution.
    Edited by Apologie at 26/11/07 @ 03:32

  • smoothn00dle #409 5 years ago

    How can 360 complete against PS3? With Blu-ray and Cellchip, PS3 will texture mapping 360 to death. 50 gig storage vs 8.5 gig. From the intervew with Microsoft's Pete Isensee, he implied that Microsoft's answer to Blu-ray is compression. The trade off between disc size and compression is processing power. I think that explain why Mass Effect has such long load time and low FPS.

  • Kryon #410 5 years ago

    "I must say that until someone develop a game for the X360 as good looking as Drakes Fortune"

    That's your personal (and highly biased) taste. I believe that both Bioshock and Gears of War to look better than Uncharted, but looks aside, lets look at which game is actually better shall we...

    (Metacritic)

    Bioshock - 96/100

    Gears of War - 94/100

    Uncharted - 88/100

    ....Oh dear...Not even a 9 for Uncharted then :'( ...Nevermind Apologie, Maybe the PS3 will get a 360 beating title next year eh.... (I doubt it but....)

  • BurningR #411 5 years ago

    Kryon: I'm humbled by the sheer fanboyness of your comment. Jesus titty fucking Christ...

  • Kryon #412 5 years ago

    @BurningR

    Either tell me my post is inaccurate or be a good child and do not speak unless spoken to. The truth upsets you, that's your problem, not mine.

  • smoothn00dle #413 5 years ago

    Sweet baby Jesus, Kryon going to hell *v*

  • Moz #414 5 years ago

    @Kryon

    Your some what camparing Apples to Oranges what about the people who don't like FPS?

    (metacritic)

    Uncharted - 88/100

    Tomb Raider: Ledgend - 80/100

    Ratchet - 89/100

    Kameo - 79/100

    So if you like platformers and tonb raider esc adventure games then the PS3 is a better choice.

    This is why I have 360 and PS3 as I like FPS, platformers and adventure and the 360 does not adiquately meet all my gaming needs

  • Kryon #415 5 years ago

    @Moz

    This has been said a thousand times....but, Gears of War is not a FPS. The PS3 has a better than average platformer and a Lara clone, the fact still remains that the system still has no 10/10 titles. Lets also remember that at present the 360 has the best choice in JRPG's, WRPG's, Racers, Fighting games , FPS (obviously) and the huge majority of multi-plat titles are better on the 360. So yeah, if you own both platforms then fair enough, but people like Apologie and smoothn00dle who seem to think the PS3 is the holy grail of gaming are clearly deluded.

    @smoothn00dle

    This is why I love Sony fanboys, when faced with cold hard facts you have nothing to say and have to resort to incoherent idiocy....

  • Apologie #416 5 years ago

    Kryon

    Ps3 just ended it's first year... and we have already seen some trully impressive games, Resistance FOM, Warhawk, Ratchet&Clank: TOD, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Folklore, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword etc... recent multiplatform games like Assassins Creed, Dirt, Darkness etc... are as good as the X360 versions... and, in what concerns the best FP'S to date "Call of Duty 4" like it or not, the Ps3 version is indeed better... future releases: Haze, Little Big Planet, Resistance FOM2, Motorstorm2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, God of War 3, UT3 etc... i mean, do you really doubt that the Ps3 is an amazing system with plenty to offer???


    I played all X360 BIG titles to date, and honestly never tought it would be possible to make something far superior in Sony´s machine, but Uncharted proved me wrong. And the best thing is that these is just the begining.
    Edited by Apologie at 26/11/07 @ 19:23

  • Yaz #417 5 years ago

    Apologie wrote: "I must say that until someone develop a game for the X360 as good looking as Drakes Fortune... "wich, i think will never happen"..."

    Just as I thought this one had ended nicely. :)

    In the context of the state of this thread at the time you made that post, that comment was rather unnecessary Apologie, since the only purpose I can see behind it was to deliberately re-ignite a flame war (and it's mission accomplished). Tsk tsk tsk. ;)
    Edited by Yaz at 26/11/07 @ 19:52

  • smoothn00dle #418 5 years ago

    a thread that is self-conscious??

  • Moz #419 5 years ago

    This thread just refuses to die ;)

  • Katsumoto #420 5 years ago

    Wow, a "Something runs better on a console than pc" comment. Haven't seen one of those before. Weirdly, my Mega Drive runs Sonic 2 better than my Spectrum.

  • Kryon #421 5 years ago

    "Ps3 just ended it's first year... and we have already seen some trully impressive games, Resistance FOM"

    This statement always cracks me up, haven't you seen Resistance? It looks shit and plays to roughly the same level, didn't EG give it a 6/10... Resistancelol.

  • Apologie #422 5 years ago

    Resistance: FOM got 86 on Metacritic and is considered by many as one of the best launch titles ever... good single player campaign, inventive weapons, good graphics, consistent frame-rate and competent multiplayer. It was actually my FPS of choice until the all mighty COD 4 arrived.
    Edited by Apologie at 27/11/07 @ 13:14

  • Kryon #423 5 years ago

    "Resistance: FOM got 86 on Metacritic"

    Exactly, so I don't quite understand how 8.6 converts to "truly amazing" in your language? An 8.6 indicates a 'good game' yet nothing 'amazing' and certainly not an AAA title tbh. Also could you explain how COD4 is better on the PS3? I heard there was nothing between them (except it's better to control with the 360 pad)?

  • Apologie #424 5 years ago

    Multiplayer: 18 players simultaneously on X360, 22 on PS3, and 32 in PC, not to mention that the Ps3 multiplayer is for free (big advantage in my opinion)... graphics wise is a little better too (i had the chance to put both versions side by side)... loading times are also shorter on Ps3...

    "We had our best programmers on the PS3 [version of Call of Duty] and it shows," said Zampella ;) well, no doubt about that.
    Edited by Apologie at 27/11/07 @ 15:53

  • Grayvern #425 5 years ago

    Reviewers opinions arent everything we can make up our own minds.

  • Apologie #426 5 years ago

    I couldn't agree more, but some people here refer to Eurogamer review's like some kind of cult...

    P.S: Kryon is still digesting the fact that COD 4 is better on the PS3... don't feel too bad mate, it's just a little bit better, nothing special :)
    Edited by Apologie at 27/11/07 @ 16:47

  • Kryon #427 5 years ago

    "graphics wise is a little better too (i had the chance to put both versions side by side)"

    Lol, if you were unbiased, maybe your perception would change (and maybe people would actually care what you personally thought)

    As for the best coders working on the PS3 version, this is true, now Apologie, why do you think that happened? It's because the PS3 is a bitch to work with -

    And while programmers are certainly getting better on Sony's platform, Infinity Ward studio head Vince Zampella explains to PSM3 magazine that they weren't taking any chances:

    Lol, so they used their best coders on the PS3 version and as far as the vast majority of reviewers see it, their is very little difference between versions (apart from obviously having an all round better online experience on the 360)

    What does that say to you? PS3 gets the best devs but the game still isn't any better?

    /Apologie am cry...lol

  • Kryon #428 5 years ago

    Actually if you check game rankings the 360 version of COD4 scores higher lol,

    360 - 94.5%

    PS3 - 94.4%

    So if you want to really be childish about it, I could claim the PS3 version is actually worse (although after playing both, I personally see them as equal)

  • Apologie #429 5 years ago

    Kryon

    "As for the best coders working on the PS3 version, this is true, now Apologie, why do you think that happened? It's because the PS3 is a bitch to work with"

    No man, that's simply because the PS3 is completely different in every way to any other platform in the market, that and the fact that it's very recent make it somehow more challenging.

    We had our best programmers on the PS3 [version of Call of Duty] and it shows," Infinity Ward studio head Vince Zampella has bellowed. He's been explaining why Sony's edition has a bigger online capacity (24 max players vs 360's 18) and, according to those with cyborg-eyes, improved visuals.

    Dev's also said that they are very excited about the Ps3 capabilities....

    Well my friend... multiplayer is better on PS3, and the single player campaign have superior graphics, get over it, it's not my opinion anymore, even the dev's admit it.
    Edited by Apologie at 27/11/07 @ 17:03

  • Yaz #430 5 years ago

    :|

  • Kryon #431 5 years ago

    Apologie, Either provide links to these 'facts' or just stop talking rubbish, it gets boring mate.

  • Apologie #432 5 years ago

    @Kryon

    [link url=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=176088
    ]http://www.computerandvideogames.com/art...[/link]

    Here you have it.... enjoy ;)

  • Kryon #433 5 years ago

    "according to those with cyborg-eyes"

    I must admit, this comment was hilarious, seeing as you can see a noticeable difference between versions (hence, obviously have 'cyborg eyes') I was wondering if that is maybe just another way of admitting that you are a totally blinkered fanboy?

    LULZ, how much do 'cyborg eyes' cost? If they make PS3 games look less shit, maybe Sony should bundle them in with that non B/C borked EuroStation3 thing they try to fleece us westerners with?

  • Apologie #434 5 years ago

    Kryon

    I know it's hard for you to stick to the facts... but try again ok ;)

    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    "If they make PS3 games look less shit, maybe Sony should bundle them in with that non B/C borked EuroStation3 thing they try to fleece us westerners with"

    lol... and you call me a fanboy??? :)
    Edited by Apologie at 27/11/07 @ 17:44

  • Kryon #435 5 years ago

    Apologie, the link says nothing, the main statement about the PS3 version possibly having a very minor visual edge is not even the journalists opinion but hearsay...

    according to those with cyborg-eyes, improved visuals

    Hardly what I'd call solid evidence mate...

    So anyway yeah, They needed to use the best devs on the PS3 version to get it to a 360 standard, (or still not quite as good according to GameRankings) I don't know why this makes you proud?
    Edited by Kryon at 27/11/07 @ 17:44

  • Apologie #436 5 years ago

    Sony's edition has a bigger online capacity (24 max players vs 360's 18)...

    I guess that your unbiased eyes see these fact as something irrelevant too...

  • Kryon #437 5 years ago

    Which one has better all-round online support, Apologie, hence, which one will give a better all round experience?

  • Apologie #438 5 years ago

    Kryon

    i prefer Sony Multiplayer... it's free of charge (biggest reason of all), and it's becoming better and better in terms of quality... but that's not the issue, i see every time i point a fact that shows why COD4 is better on the PS3, you go ahead and talk about something else... like on-line services, most of them, that have nothing to do with COD4 itself. I can only advise you to play COD4 on the Ps3... the on-line is a blast... i actually can't get enough of that, and in that case would have the added bonus of powning your ass ;)

    by the way:

    Playstation 3: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) 95
    Activision

    Xbox 360: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) 94
    Activision

    thouse are the results on metacritic.
    Edited by Apologie at 27/11/07 @ 18:27

  • Kryon #439 5 years ago

    So you admit that the COD4 online experience is better on 360 (albeit not free) but surely money is not a problem for you? If you want to bring cost into it then the PS3 version is instantly worse value due to the price of the machine, I'm talking about wich system & game brings the most full experience regardless of money, I'm glad we both agree that that is the 360 version.

    It took you a long time to admit it but well done for finally admitting defeat ;-)

  • Apologie #440 5 years ago

    Kryon

    you really are hilarious... nothing will change the fact that the Ps3 version have bigger online capacity, and it's an overall better game, but i guess you will never admit it so..., let's move on shall we ;)

    Oh, and that value per cost/wich system is the best choice... would give me plenty to say.
    Edited by Apologie at 27/11/07 @ 18:38

  • Kryon #441 5 years ago

    "nothing will change the fact that the Ps3 version have bigger online capacity"

    I haven't ignored or denied that, my question to you is, which game gives the greatest overall online experience, it seems that every time I bring this up you seem to choke... I wonder why?

  • Apologie #442 5 years ago

    men, you really are a hopeless case... i quit
    Edited by Apologie at 27/11/07 @ 19:42

  • Yaz #443 5 years ago

    *Chews more popcorn*

  • Kryon #444 5 years ago

    Apologie admits defeat!!! Teh Powaz Of Teh Cell have been denounced!!!

    Rejoice for the imbecilic one has fallen!!!

    /High fives to all non biased/cretinous gamers!

    Anyway, it does prove the point that Sony zealots like Apologie have nothing to run on but hot air, when confronted with facts and coherent reasoning, they choke like a cheap hooker on a horses cock.

  • smoothn00dle #445 5 years ago

    watching Yaz chews his popcorn *v*

  • Kryon #446 5 years ago

    Yaz mate, erm.... I think maybe someone has a crush on you...

  • Apologie #447 5 years ago

    Uncharted: Drake's Fortune is the most impressive game (graphics wise) of the next gen era... at least until now.

  • mungolikebeans #448 5 years ago

    Get a room, numpties.

  • Apologie #449 5 years ago

    :-)

  • Apologie #450 5 years ago

    There are fresh rumours doing the rounds this morning that a sequel to Insomniac's PS3-launch shooter, Resistance: Fall of Man will, be with us next year.

    Ripten.com claims to have received info from a "trusted source" that Sony is preparing to put Resistance 2 through a major stress test in January.

    Sony, of course, has yet to confirm the existence of Resistance 2, but you just know it's in the pipeline.

    A rumour on the sequel appearing last month suggested that the follow-up is being tentatively prepared for launch next November, and will relocate the alien-bashing action to the States.

    It even went as far as to say that the sequel will feature a cliff-hanger ending paving the way for a third game in the series

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    HAZE, KILLZONE2, UT3, ORANGE BOX, COD4, RESISTANCE FALL OF MAN 1 AND 2, SOCOM Confrontation, Quake: Enemy T, etc.... I guess Ps3 is shaping up to have even more FP'S then X360
    Edited by Apologie at 28/11/07 @ 18:11

  • Kryon #451 5 years ago

    Wow! Resistance 2 ? Will it have shit graphics like the first one? Will it get a 6/10 or will it be lower next time?

  • davisorle #452 5 years ago

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  • Number1Laing #453 5 years ago

    I don't quite know why this game isn't getting the love from a lot of reviewers. Eurogamer is one of the few who seem to be calling it right. I really think it deserves a 10/10 though. It's an amazing game. I realize the PS3 is not the popular choice among the internets, but come on... this isn't about the PS3 vs. Xbox 360, its about Naughty Dog delivering a brilliant game, the best game they've ever done.

  • Vandrius #454 5 years ago

    Kryon, roflmfao.... for someone who's bagging the PS3, I think you've now posted more in a PS3 review than any single person ever before.

    Its a good game for the PS3, just be happy that good games are coming out.

    I know I'll be picking this one up.

  • Xensor #455 5 years ago

    Well...

    This comments thread was another steaming pile of meaningless shite that infests the once hallowed halls of Eurogamer like a plague of flea-bitten rats.

    Fanbois to the left of me. Fanbois to the right of me. Fanbois in front of me volley'd and thunder'd...

  • Vandrius #456 5 years ago

    By the way, anyone in Australia might want to consider buying this from play-asia.com. I'm a little behind the times, it seems, cause they sell it for $40AU less than it'd cost from EB.

    Sigh @ how much the stuff over us aussies.

    http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-93gs...

  • silke #457 5 years ago

    I have to say that the eight/nine or so hours I spent with Uncharted were among the best of any kind this year. Wonderful game. Truly relentless entertainment; it never introduces a single dull moment to the player.

  • bdc #458 5 years ago

    Apologie: GoW and Uncharted came out at the same point in their respective consoles' lifetime. This is not the first time I've seen you try to fuck the PS3 like a cat during heat, and probably won't be the last. Why don't you take the time out to remember that Sony does not know who the fuck you are, does not want to know who the fuck you are, and does not care. They want your money and are happy to keep taking it off you like a mug.

    Have a nice day.

  • Kryon #459 5 years ago

    Apologie does actually work for Sony AFAIK, he cleans the offices there hence is very worried about them going bust, no turkey this year for Christmas if he loses his job :'(

  • Apologie #460 4 years ago

    I completed Uncharted 2 days ago and i must say that it's one of the best games i ever played... brilliant graphics, smooth controls, great acting, superb sound, nice story..., i mean, is everything a game should be, a very engaging and entertaining experience... say all you want fanboys, Uncharted is definately in the top 3 best games of the year.
    Edited by Apologie at 13/12/07 @ 18:33

  • db3 #461 4 years ago

    Absolutely loving Uncharted...simply superb!

    As review said, the best gameplay elements taken from previous top games put in outstanding environments with great animation and story etc.

    I hope Lucasarts are taking note for Indy.

  • barnard666 #462 4 years ago

    I am really enjoying it, but it does feel a bit generic, and some of the jumps are just plain confusing, your left hanginging somewhere not sure where to go, so just take a leap of faith....
    the enemies feel a bit stuffed in too, almost like padding.

    When considering well balanced games I think I enjoyed ratchet more...the tomb raider rip offs are a little extreme, down to the way the animations work (reaching out when hanging on a ledge in a direction you can jump for example).

    next up tomb raider anniversary, I can't see it competing somehow.

  • systems #463 4 years ago

    Down to £21.95 if anyone's still wavering:
    http://www.thegamecollection.net/unchart...

  • CT2kX #464 4 years ago

    hey i know this is an old review and i dont mean to bump it, but i noticed an error, it states the game runs in 1080p, thats untrue, the maximum resolution this game accepts is 720p (at least on the UK pal version it does), not that im knocking the game i own it myself and love it to bits, but i thought id point out that error in the review.
    Edited by CT2kX at 20/07/08 @ 13:26

  • herflet #465 4 years ago

    I just played this. Really satisfying gameplay, and a lot of fun. The gunplay and platforming bits are well balanced, and I never got tired of one or the other. The execution is as gorgeous as anything I have ever seen on any platform.

    On my PS3, it worked great at 1080p. Visuals are lush and warm, some of the sunset scenes are just spectacular.

    My wife watched me play the whole game, and really enjoyed the story. She'd pick up the controller every now and again as well. So a game with real appeal, even to non-gamers.


  • El-Dev #466 3 years ago

    "Wow! Resistance 2 ? Will it have shit graphics like the first one? Will it get a 6/10 or will it be lower next time?"

    R2 got a 9/10.