UK chart: Killzone 2 beats Halo Wars News

As expected! But strange that GT5P sold better.. it was cheaper of course, but still.

I think it's a miracle that a console RTS did that well, even with the Halo name. It is a great game though.
Now, should we be hunting down those buying Carnival still?

I'm quite shocked; I honestly thought that in the short term Halo Wars would do better, but long temr Killzone would sell more.

Quite impressed with the MegaDrive collection doing so well too.

Now imagine what GT5 will do whenever they release it.....

i wonder how heavy rain will do?

Good to see some proper games topping the charts (you really can stick those f*ckin' Wii/DS 'lifestyle' titles where the sun don't shine IMHO).

Feel a bit bad that I didn't buy Halo Wars, but the demo actually put me off. Perhaps I should give it another go....?

I am surprised Halo wars managed no 2. I didnt know there were many RTS fans on consoles.

@i wonder how heavy rain will do?

Not as well would be my guess. Killzone 2 is very firmly planted right in the middle of the hardcore gaming demographic, whereas Heavy Rain seems a bit left of centre to me. I'm sure it will sell well, but its probably grabbing the interest of so many as the build up to KZ2 did.

Bought KZ2 on release date - played for an evening and got a bit bored to be honest. The audio over multiplayer is shocking too. If Sony could get the online service improved it would be so much better.

Maybe I need to give it another blast

@matrim83 there are plenty of RTS fans with consoles, but generally they choose to RTS on PC cos they just work better.

However Halo Wars was developed with consoles in mind making it the best console RTS, which for those of us who prefer the confort of the sofa makes Halo Wars incredibly welcome.

Will be interesting to see how the 2 games place in the american charts given the greater lead of the 360 over PS3.

Heavy Rain will probably sell well over its lifetime but I'd be surprised if it even makes the top three on its first week of release.

The seriousness of Killzone 2 has really put me off it - more bloody grunting space marines? Nah, I'll pass for the moment thanks. I'm sure I'll get it eventually, but I'm not in any great hurry. It did inspire me to finally go and pick up Resistance 2. Mindless run and gun is more fun in my books than punishing solemnity and I loved Resistance 1.

I congratulate the position Halo Wars reached but just how many people must have walked into a shop and thought, 'oh, a new Halo game - I'll have some of that!' without realising that it is in fact a RTS game, not the Halo 'Wars' the game suggests.

On the other hand, Killzone 2 more or less deserve the number one position, no doubt about that.

A deserved first place. Really enjoying the game. Makes such a difference to play a FPS with so much weight in the movement. Feels very different to play over most FPS's. Pretty challenging on Veteran and above also. Multiplayer needs fixing though, it takes too long to rank.

Think I'll get Halo Wars during a discount period or something. Consoles RTSs never seem great.

People are rightly fed up with Halo this and Halo that so I think KZ2 got a much deserved first place. I picked it up on Friday and gave Halo Wars a wide berth. That particular franchise needs some rest, much like the Chief at the end of Halo 3. Who knows, with any luck the remaining half of that ship will crash onto that inhabited planet in about two years. The I think I may be ready to continue the fight anew.

As for KZ2. It stands proudly (if somewhat generically) on it's own merits. KZ3 will need a better story, now that the tech has been proven. Maybe add some genuine aliens next time around and loose the sci-fi cliche of cloaking snipers please!

I'm pleased to see Professor Layton and the Curious Village still doing well. I bought it for my mum as an early Mother's Day present and having played it briefly myself it's really excellent and almost makes me want a DS of my own. The story, puzzles, visuals, audio, presentation, everything is top-notch, I was really impressed.

So was my mum, so much so that she was addicted to it for four days until she completed it. Although she still has some stuff left to do, she is eagerly awaiting the follow-up, the Devil's Box. Any one know when it's out?

I finally picked up a PS3 mainly for Killzone and it's tops, not got far into it yet but loving it so far.

@septimus
Multiplayer needs fixing though, it takes too long to rank.

I take it you have never played Warhawk then? I think 700 hours is the quickest legitimate General.

"Multiplayer needs fixing though, it takes too long to rank."

You're not serious, are you? Even leaving out the people who abused bots for easy leveling before they were disabled in online matches on one of the first days, there's already a ton of people who have reached the highest rank (although they have not necessarily unlocked all the skill badges of course).
I'm a little over a third of the way through the ranks myself after 13 hours online, but I'm mediocre FPS player at best (actually I'm probably well short of that :)), so I can't see it taking much more than around 15-20 hours - or less - for decent players to reach the rank of General.

Anyway, I've only bothered with the first 45 minutes of the singleplayer campaign but KZ2 is definitely the most exciting online shooter I've played.

@ penhalion: you might be, but saying ppl are... don't know, read the article above this one. Regarding Halo Wars vs Killzone, I wonder if a RTS Killzone spin-off would sell better than a FPS Halo.

"People are rightly fed up with Halo this and Halo that"

The continuing sales and playtime of Halo games proves you conclusively wrong.


Very impressive for an RTS to sell so well and a shame to see the generic dullfest KZ2 prevent it from getting the no.1 spot. Crazy seeing Halo 3 back in the charts too!

God... damn Chart Track, why cant we have numbers :(

Anyways, excellent news for Killzone and Halo Wars.

@farticusmaximus - That generic dullfest as you call it has actually been getting better review scores than Halo Wars though, not that means much when they're totally different genres.

Bah! Slightly flawed are words I've seen used to describe Killzone 2, and "a few steps short of a classic" are others, but nowhere have I heard the game described as a dull. That sounds like you haven't even played it or perhaps don't even like FPSs. Killzone 2... dull? NEVER!!! ;)

I'm going to pick up Halo Wars at lunchtime as I've got a ton of old 360 games I want rid of but personally I'm finding Killzone 2 so far to be a far more enjoyable, exciting, gritty and downright visceral game than Halo 3 ever was as I thought that was a disappointment. And at least Killzone 2 isn't as dull as Resistance 2. I'm very happy with the game, it exceeded my expectations anyway, and think it's the best FPS I've played on a console yet even if it doesn't quite meausre up to the mighty Crysis on the PC.

Halo 3 will be back in the charts thanks mainly to the Ltd Ed of Halo Wars having the Mythic maps for it.

Good to see that halo wars is doing so well, it's a good game and maybe MGS will scratch their head at killing off ensemble. :/

@septimus
Ranked up in 10 hours. Really doesn't take long, and its not supposed to take long either. The game is much more fun when all the classes are available to everyone.

@Darren

That's nice for you. I found it dull because I've already played CoD4 so feel no need to play it again only slightly slower with terrible controls.

Edit: Not played MP yet so that might where the game shines.

Darren: I don't know if the game is dull or not and I don't know which game 'deserves' which spot but if there is one thing that KZ2 fails at it's controls, something direly brushed under the carpet with those reviews. Since controls are what defines a good FPS game, those reviews are questionable (but then so are most reviews I read these days).

"People are rightly fed up with Halo this and Halo that so I think KZ2 got a much deserved first place."

Do you know how bitter you fuckers sound when you say this. It's 3 games and a recent spin off over the span of two consoles!!

I would list a bunch of other franchises that have been raped far more thoroughly, but it would be far too easy and frankly, quite pathetic.

Just give it a rest.


...and for the record I've pretty much never played a Halo game.

@ SpaceMidget75 : That's a first, usually the most verbal/vocal (and the ooooh I'm so clever I bash Halo) dudes never played Halo either. Kudos to you, sir.

@spacemidget75

do you own both consoles aswell...

"I found it dull because I've already played CoD4"

If you play KZ2 like COD4 you fail.

@Xerx3s - Well I thought the controls were a bit off in the demo and it didn't help that I don't think the PS3's dualshock controller is particularly suited to FPSs anyway, thanks to the rather loose analogue sticks. However, from playing the full game for some time with slightly tweaked settings I now have no issue with them at all and think they work fine considering the controller limitations. Besides I think this game gives the weapons a sense of weight, something that is not effectively conveyed in most other games.

For example, in Call of Duty they might as well be made of Balsa wood for all the weight they seem to have! Yeah, I know a game doesn't have to be realistic to be good but I think Guerilla were aiming for a more realistic, slower paced game with Killzone 2 and they've pulled it off well IMO.

Also it's terrific that Killzone 2 allows you to take cover and lean out of it, something 98% of FPSs on the consoles don't have. Medal of Honor: Airborne used it very well too so I can't understand why more FPSs don't use it. It adds more tactical options to the game and makes them just that bit more realistic since you wouldn't stand in the open and shoot enemies for real... not unless you have a death-wish anyway.

Killzone 2 isn't the best game I've ever played but it's a damn impressive FPS IMO, more so when I consider how utterly mediocre the PS2 original was. I honestly expected it would be awful, another case of graphics over gameplay but fortunately I've been proved wrong as the gameplay is every bit as good as those lush visuals. It deserves the top spot, I say.

Did anyone really expect Halo Wars to beat Killzone?

I mean Halo Wars was never as hyped as must-have game and rightly so as it will only be suitable to a particular market.

I'm enjoying it at the moment so much that Johnny and the Lost is being neglicated however I fear that it may get a bit tedious after a while.

"@spacemidget75

do you own both consoles aswell... "

No, why?

Good sales for both Halo Wars and Killzone 2, however I expect they'll both drop down the charts fairly swiftly as most of the hardcore sales will be done within two or three weeks (if not sooner).

Rapido!: Actually, I have played it, just not enough to make an argument for or against the storyline. I have played it enough to know that the controls are far to much not to my liking. But a presumptuous, unnecessary abusive twit like yourself wouldn't care for that.

JHuxley: Not that COD4 is a shining beacon of SP goodness mind you.

Congrats to Guerilla Games, well deserved.

I can't wait until they start pimping out the engine to other devs.

It could mark a clear increase in the polish of some PS3 exclusives.

"For example, in Call of Duty they might as well be made of Balsa wood for all the weight they seem to have! Yeah, I know a game doesn't have to be realistic to be good but I think Guerilla were aiming for a more realistic, slower paced game with Killzone 2 and they've pulled it off well IMO."

Haven't played 2 yet but they already pulled that off with the first game. Probably why it wasn't really appreciated by the pubic looking for a Halo-beater (and of course the graphics engine struggled quite a bit though it was definitely playable). They both involve shooting in a sci-fi setting but that's pretty much where similarities end.

Had to laugh at the defenders of Halo convention that seems to have sprung up all of a sudden.

People are playing the multi-player of halo 3, not the game proper. It is also clear that a lot of people are simply getting fed up of the contsant Halo spin offs. This OTD thing for instance, isn't being that well recieved, even by the Halo community itself.

Anyhoo, KZ2 is a great game. The story needs work but, it's not a dull shooter by any means.

@farticusmaximus

You got some sales figures to back up that claim that Halo 3 is somehow still selling like hotcakes?

I'm not defending Halo, but you going on about how tired people are after only 3 FPSs and 1 RTS game in over 8 years makes you an idiot. Fact.

@penhalion

"People are playing the multi-player of halo 3, not the game proper."

What kind of pathetic half-assed statement is that? My god man, just read back what you wrote and tell me that isn't a class-A stupid thing to say. Of course most people are playing MP, that's how 99.99% of games keep such longevity. Besides, I come back to the SP every few months for a bit of co-op SP.


"It is also clear that a lot of people are simply getting fed up of the contsant Halo spin offs. This OTD thing for instance, isn't being that well recieved, even by the Halo community itself."

Hehe, sure. Whatever you say. People are so sick of Halo that a Halo RTS hasnt just broken a whole bunch of genre-related records, and a somewhat ageing Halo title hasnt just reentered the charts, right?


"You got some sales figures to back up that claim that Halo 3 is somehow still selling like hotcakes?"

See above. Oh, and try to think about what you are going to type before just fingerblurting all over the forum. It'll save you embarassment in the future.

"deserved number one."

Savour it as it won't last more than a week.


"Killzone 2 is a classic already,easily the best graphics on a console"

What you meant to say was you like the art style. Technically Gears is every bit as competent.


"the controls are spot on"

the controls need to be patched. The deadzone and acceleration are wrong, plain and simple. It's easy enough to fix though.

Glad Guerilla have a #1 on thier hands. I heard the game had 1.1m pre-orders in Europe alone. A well deserved result for Killzone.

Technically this game is well ahead of anything on consoles - the later levels look absolutely phenomenal.

The most generic game ever tops the best selling list. Way to show what creative, inventive gamers you can be, UK!

But seriously I'm impressed with Halo Wars. I love it myself but was unsure on how well it would sell, and while I never expected it to beat a fps (even an uber generic one like killzone), I'm amazed to see it in the top ten, nevermind in second place. Kudos to ensemble.

"The most generic game ever tops the best selling list."

This probably is just flame bait but why exactly is an FPS that is slower paced than any other FPS and finally introduces a very nice cover mechanic to the FPS genre 'the most generic game ever'? Just wondering.

@J1GSAW

I've seen both running on my TV and I can see plusses and minusses to both engines. On balance they are about equivalent. What Gears loses in fullscreen post-processing it gains in texture qualty, detail and field of depth effects.


"a bunch of review quotes to back this up if you refuse to take my word for it"

No thanks, my eyes are a far better method of comparison.


"try and be a bit unbiased ok?"

Those words and your mouth do not go together well.

les-

The plot is as generic a fps game as you can get.

art direction - have you honestly seen more generic art? It looks like 90% of other games art direction all mashed together. I have not seen more uninspired art direction in years (even including the almost as bland resistance fall of man) - and that won't change, no matter how good it looks. A great looking bland game still looks like a bland game.

Rainbow six vegas installed a cover installment into fps first, so yeah...

Gears 2 also looks better from an artistic standpoint. It looks like the world at least has had some thought behind it's designs. You would recognise Marcus Fenix instantly, if you saw a picture of him. I don't even know the names of the people from the first game (which I played to completion), nor could I tell you any character in the series apart from the other, such is the poor characters and art design.

"This probably is just flame bait but why exactly is an FPS that is slower paced than any other FPS and finally introduces a very nice cover mechanic to the FPS genre 'the most generic game ever'? Just wondering."

First off Killzone 2 did no such thing as 'introduce cover to the FPS genre', it's a mechanic that's been around in various incarnations for many years.

The weapons, predicatable setpieces, done-to-death hardass marine setting and jock chat, wobbly reload animation, convenient exploding barrels, RPG right next to hard-to-kill targets and pretty much every other element of the game has been done a hundred times. It's as generic and hackneyed as a game can be.

@Nick779

Your comment on draw distance proves conclusively you have not played Gears 2. Silence now, fantard.