Turning Point: Fall of Liberty Comments by Tom Bramwell

3? Ouch! I played this last night and it's very plain. I've still got a feeling that it'll sell quite well though. The fools.

Not suprised, but have to say I am very disappointed, was looking forward to this.

Had high hopes at one point and then I watched a developer interview and that was my turning point. I'm glad it's a turd now.

Shame, despite all the negative feedback I'd secretly hoped this would turn out quite good, as I quite like Codemasters. Actually, no - what I mean to say is, I used to like Codemasters.

Oh well Spark, there's always Legendary, isn't there...?!

Having seen some Legendary gameplay coverage (on Gametrailers) from the amusingly-titled Gamecock event, EIEIO 08, that game's fallen right off my radar, having recognised a number of the issues that Tom highlights from Fall of Liberty, noticeable in just that video I saw.

Only goes to reinforce the suggestion that promising idea + gash game still = gash, whenever Spark are responsible for it.

Legendary reminded me of a cross between Painkiller and Resistance, with PK graphics. Character models - bland textures. corridors, constant checkpoints, linearity, no excitement or tension because as the chap illustrated that demoed it - the monsters need to get close to be effective, so do as I do, and pick them off at range! They don't close effectively either, and the feedback to the player is clumsy, like an arcade (which would be fine if you were on rails only moving forward, a-la HOTD) it's like they wait for the trigger, or the "energy gate" to open by the player before doing much. :/...blech!

And let me point out just one more fact: in PC version, the MAXIMUM resolution that the game supports is 1024x768!
Aaaaaaaarghhhh!

3/10 ...yeap after playing the rather rubbish demo on live, I would just about give it this and thankfully know I shall never play the full game on the point that it is crap.

Thanks for those words of wisdom Tyronne

Shame, was hoping this might turn out to be a Rocket Ranger type dumb-yet-fun romp. Ah well, back to waiting for the next Wolfenstein installment.





(mind you, Medal of Honor Airborne got pretty damn stupid before its deeply underwhelming ending - how about the uber-SS with their gas masks and man-portable MG42s? They're straight out of Jin-Roh)

Sounds like it got released way too early. Damn bean counters.

You can't polish a turd mate.

Did the final game change much from the demo? I remember there was some marketing guy on the forums asking for peoples feedback on the demo. He said would try to give it to the devs so they could fix any of the problems. Going by the review score, it doesn't look like they acted on it.

I never actually played the demo. Had I done, I think I would have made someone else review the full game!

sounds great, can't wait for the sequel >:-)

Couldn't be bothered to finish the demo it was so lame. Shame: great idea and one which could yet make a decent game.

('dangling prepositions'? Come on...)

What a shame... the concept of an alternative post-WWII America did interest me initially and the demo did start off well before degenerating into something horribly generic and dull as so many FPSs sadly are these days.

No suprise, demo was pants also. Bring on Condemned 2

Someone had to quote it - so I will!

the earliest of which sees you tossing a paratrooper off

lol!

Not surprised at the 3... The demo was horrible. As for the graphics... you'd think someone had told them they were making this game for a mobile phone.

I was (initially) interested in this one... Right up to the point that I saw a dev interview:

"This is all about shooting Nazis because, like, it's fun to shoot Nazis as Nazis are, like, totally bad."

And then this review came along. Definitely give this one a miss, I think...

"Sounds like it got released way too early. Damn bean counters."

Absolutely, I also blame the accountants for the devs clearly being inept.

Never looked like being a great game to me but 3/10? Ouch!

That GH3 ad just started playing loudly... can some please tell it to F*CK off for me? Thanks

I imagine playing this game would be similar to bathing in some urine.

wow Ashcrapper. you've got your synapses in a twist!

Three? Ouch!

Using my force like powers I sense that this game is ......Shit?

Yeah, tried this on PC and it's pretty bad. The core gameplay is like something out of 1998 but parachuted onto the new gen Unreal engine. And I don't mean something good out of 1998 like, I don't know, Half Life or something, just the unimaginative corridor shooter we all used to know back then. It's linear to the point of being insulting, the action is not really filled with adrenaline and the devs didn't manage to handle the engine particularly well. The graphics are bland even if you forget about Bioshocks and Gears of Wars, they are just unimpressive in every way which, when coupled with derivative and unexciting gameplay really puts you off despite the interesting premise. To top it off, the game CRAWLS on my rig in certain spots despite the fact that CoD4, Bioshock, Gears and their ilk all run smoothly on highest settings. I am always sad to have to say something like this about someone's hard work but this one is to avoid, definitely.

If Churchill died we would all be speaking German? Give me a break. Not taking anything away from Churchill, he was an excellent leader and motivator of people...but we still would have prevailed against the Nazi's without him with a different leader. A major reason for the colleapse of the Nazi's was down to poor decisions made by its leaderships, the combined effort from the allies and in a major way, the Red Army. I find the story interesting in this, but completly unrealistic in its concept.

Still, an appalling game, it would be excusable to see average FPS these days, but with the quality we've had over the years, there really is no excuse to develop a shooter this bad other than lack of skill in the team.

Given that Spark's debut game was Call Of Duty: Finest Hour (and I'm sure I read they were only given that after lying about having previous experience with FPS's - I only read that as being a rumour, I am in no way endorsing that as being true!), is it really any surprise that this is averaging 45%?

A fair score.

IO needs to get back on the case stat, and release a new FF.

An FF sequel was hinted at by IO fairly recently I believe.

Oh, and M$ need to fix it so that FF works on PAL BC, only they won't, 'cos they've given up on console BC, and are only supporting it to further line their pockets with the over-priced and under-supported X-Box Originals...

*is bitter*

An alternative outcome to World War II: everyone loses.

:)

Hold on now, don't you know this is a high concept game and not for core gamers or I suspect critics.

"Turning Point dev hits back at poor reviews"

Its not the fact that this game isn't a step forward for the genre that its crap, its rubbish because its actually a few steps back for the genre.

Nice to hear it wasn't targetted to gamers or reviewers, but instead made for themselves to enjoy from time to time. Fantastic business model really.

"Is this going to be fun, something I can drop into, in a world I haven't seen before and have a good time?" says the dev.

High Concept or not if the game is badly designed and executed then it'll be rubbish and no fun to anyone, hardcore and mainstream alike. Fair enough they had 9 months to write the thing but that doesn't make it "High Concept" in any way, shape or form. Go away and try to think of a better excuse as to why you didn't do your coursework properly.

E -

edit: Just noticed the "Alpha quality - not representative of the final game." warning at the start of the Legendary videos.
Oh dear, that's what they said about the Turning Point demo too.

Caveat Emptor. ;)

@ Andyjack
"People should just buy the COD4 engine & modify it, id love to see a Science fiction shooter using that engine, maybe a Terminator or Star Wars game."

The new Star Wars game (The Force Unleashed) already has a way better engine than any other game. Have a look at the videos for it on the official site (if they're still there). A bit of Googling will get you there.

lol... the demo was crap... It vanished from live pretty fast.

Oh dear.

lol, 3/10, didn't you hear this isn't a game for critics? :p

"Freedom Fighters, Io Interactive's long-forgotten multiformat squad-shooter, was a much better effort"
much better effort, my ass, its one of the best games i have ever played, though too short(along with every other io effort).
this is shite thou, sadly. premise is awesome though.

Man freedom fighters was such a good game, why on earth they never made a sequel to it I will never know. That last level still hangs in my memory.

Freedom Fighters, long forgotten - how dare you! :-P

@bcolter:

If that's the case, then how come it is STILL THERE!?

All demos, in fact any DLC, does down after a 2 week period.

When asked if Legendary would be better than Turning Point, [dev] Allen said: "I think it's different".

"Different"? As opposed to "better" or even "less shit"? Uh-oh! Advice to retailers: don't stock up too heavily on this one, as it will be haunting your clearance bins this time next year....

JSPOOLE, if in a FPS I can stand around 2 ft in front of the enemy whilst he unloads clip after clip into me and I don't die, no matter how long I stand just within arm's reach of him, then there's something seriously wrong with the core mechanics of the game.
There's that, and I'll ignore the terrible graphics, awful character animation, and uninspired level layouts.
The game is an absolute stinker.

I'd kill for a 360/PS3 Freedom Fighters sequel.

"I didn't think the demo was anywhere near as bad as some idiots made it out to be.

It's not great or anything, but I guess people truly do complain about anything nowadays."


come one, it was pants

lol i expected it to suck but a 3! hahaha... serves it right

Holy s**t this sounds just horrible =/