Tom Clancy's HAWX Comments by Richard Leadbetter

lol

you twat. i was gunna be first but had to log in!

2nded!!!

I called it.

is the expression 'meh'? yes...yes... i think it is.

I somehow read the title as "Tony HAWX something or other".

Looked at the pictures, and thought "shit, this doesn't have anything to do with skating anymore"

not as good as ace combat for me. the sat scans werent all that good and its another tom clancy scifi shooter with wings. all the clancy games are getting scifi these days tbh

Come back Freespace 2, all is forgiven.

Aw, I really wanted to buy this. Oh well...

I've tried the demo of this, and the third-person viewpoint when you go into assistance off mode pretty much kills any chance there would have been of me buying this. I found it totally detracts from the concept of it being a flight combat game.

I was in two minds about this - now my mind is made up!

No purchase!

Played the demo and with all Jet fighter type games you end up firing at dots. WW2 and WW1 are much better for flight games.

I can't help but pre-emptively facepalm any "Tom Clancy"" stuff these days - not the best franchise in the world this I fear ... (Unless it's just me!)

I agree Dr_Wadd, in the demo I found the distant 3rd person point of view complete useless. All of sudded instead of playing 3D combat flight game I was playing an old school 2D shooter similar to time pilots, except with a pseudo depth which you had no real perception of because of the distance you were away. It completely ruined what had started out feeling like a great flight combat game.

I actually had a lot of fun with the demo. There are better games out there but this is something I'll want to pick up when the price drops in future.

Boo!

I would like to get this but yeah that assistance camera made it hard for me to control....

"Adding to the allure is the guiding presence of master storyteller Tom Clancy"

Tom Clancy's involvement with this game started when he received the royalty cheque and ended the day he cashed it in at the bank.

I quite enjoyed the demo. Review seemed so positive right up until the score :/

Hmmm is it better than Ace Combat then?

Also is the 6/10 partly because it's not Ghost Recon in the air? For me the Tom Clancy name used to mean you knew were getting a semi realistic war game of some shape or form, so sticking the same badge on a very arcadey flight sim doesn't sit well with me as enjoyable as it was...... But at the same time, I'd like to think the game wasn't marked down because of that reason.

@Crofto:

My reckoning is they'll score Beyond Good & Evil 2 marks above what it should get. Then balance will be restored :D

I liked the external cameral once I used the much better "expert" controls.

I don't see how you'd let that mode put you off buying this even if you don't like it though, it's not like you need to use it (except in the tutorial) - provided you like the game from the cockpit/behind plane perspective, of course.

For me, it's a buy. It's essentially Ace Combat (which I love) with a more sterile presentation, but a nice etxra mode for pretty airplane ballet.

"Adding to the allure is the guiding presence of master storyteller Tom Clancy"

Tom Clancy's involvement with this game started when he received the royalty cheque and ended the day he cashed it in at the bank."

This.

Really disappointed with the demo and won't be buying it. I'm a flight sim fan, but I do like arcade flying games as well. This just isn't a good game.

@seasidebaz

BG&E2 will get the marks it deserves, I hope, if the can make it equal or better than the original then happy days.

Well doesn't look I'll be abandoning ace combat series in my top Arcade Dog fighter games.

I don't like middle ground games, make my flying games like Afterburner!

"My reckoning is they'll score Beyond Good & Evil 2 marks above what it should get. Then balance will be restored :D"

So, BG&E 2 will get a 12/10? That would be something!

Really like this review. I like the way videos explaining certain points are included within the text. More of this please Eurogamer.

Ok, so it's official: If a game does not attract a positive review from a given site, then the review gets postponed until the official release.

brilliant strategy.

@Uncle lou

Because you can't do the fancy tricks in normal view, I don't understand why I should ever be taken out of the cockpit view...???

WHY?

Did you really feel in any way limited in the cockpit perspective?

You can essentially do the same trick. Brake, turn the plane around. Where's the problem?

@Crofto: That's three comments section in a row I've read where you've made some "chip on your shoulder" comment about Eurogamer's review scores. It prompted me to read your bio on your profile and after the laughter had subsided I formed the impression that you are quite a pathetic individual.

Good day.

artemis: We posted the review as soon as we could, but we didn't get code until later than usual - nothing sinister going on regarding timing from our perspective.

I don't think HAWX is a flight sim. More like going for arcade flight game. You don't have to worry about ammo that much, and pulling off stunts is a breeze. From the demo that I played, it is decent!

"It prompted me to read your bio on your profile and after the laughter had subsided I formed the impression"

Heh, excellent. Cheers for pointing that out. :D

Lol yeah i've read that profile before too, I was almost in tears. Classic stuff.

You can count another one who was completely baffled by the anyoing 3rd person pseudo 2D camera the demo IMPOSED on you to play. It does NOT work.

Imposed in the tutorial.

No love for 'Secret Weapons over Normandy' in the intro?

i loved the demo but could not complete the TUTORIAL as the bots that tailed you were so hard i spend most of the time dodging missiles.

I think the ERS and assistance off modes work to an extent, although ERS is a bit of a winbutton.

UncleLou,

So they lost a sale because the demo screwed my opinion. Why should I bother any further, its not like I normally buy games where I disliked the demo. The tutorial definitely gave me the opinion that it was a major part of the game, and I stopped playing almost as soon as that part started. Its not my job to try to like games, its the demo and tutorials part to sell the game to me. I have more than enough things to do with my spare time to not waste it further on things that are trying there hardest to put me off.

Maybe I'll give it a second chance based on your comments here, but maybe not. It might be an example of a bad demo spoiling a potentially good game.

I really don't care if you buy it or not. I was just pointing out a factual error in your post.

I simply don't get why people complain about a voluntary feature they don't need to use (which is pretty obvious if you play the "real" mission instead of just the tutorial).

By all means, don't play the game because it is too arcadey or whatever, but stop it with the "the external camera ruined it" posts.

Kinky, ta for pointing out Crofto's profile, it's always fun to read something so un-self-aware. :D

@ UncleLou, I didn`t get around to playing the mission proper and see there if I could avoid the third-person camera, so thanks for the heads-up, I shall give it another go, although if it does change my mind I`m not sure my bank manager will thank you ;)

@UncleLou

In fairness, it's not made clear that the external view is not mandatory during the game. I switched off after a few minutes of being in external view but would have carried on if I had known.

In fact I'll go back and give it another shot tonight armed with that knowledge.

UncleLou,

Sorry I was not trying to be inflammatory or even agressive in my post. I was just trying to point out how dangerous a demo/tutorial can be. I didn't even try the real mission because after I encountered the distant 3rd person part of the tutorial I was just so astounded that anyone thought something like that could be a good idea in a flight combat game, especially as to me it seemed like the tutorial was making a big thing out of how cool it was and how important it was to the game. I pretty much stopped right away after that. Now if it is really not a big part of the game and you don't actually have to resort to using it at all, I may give the demo another go, but it definitely shows how dangerous demos can be.

Oh no, please tell me that Crofto bio is a joke.

Don't worry, you didn't really sound aggressive. I am afraid I do, sorry about that, but I have an extremely annoying bellyache today which I can put the blame on!

But really, try the "normal" mission - you can easily finish it without ever using the assistance off mode.

Though as I said earlier, if you haven't, try the assistance off mode with the "expert" controls as well. They're the same then as in the cockpit, as instead of being simplifiedm but different, which just ended up confusing me. Whether you're liking them or not (I do, because it really looks extra-ordinarily pretty), I think a developer that obviously has put some thought into a new feature, and has made it non-mandatory no less, deserves some credit rather than so many "it's ruined" comments. Not just here but also in the forum, and on RPS, so having to repeat for the 10th time today that you don't need to use them made me a bit grumpy. :)

Heh, Lou, you seem to have convinced one bunch of people, now you only have 13758 Internet forums to go!

Good luck with that :P.

I thought the demo was fun, I really liked the 3rd person view, along with the missile cam it made some great scenes!

Might pick this up, especially now I know a flight stick is out next week to! I haven't used one since that old PS1 dual stick monster!

/ puts on flight jacket and shades listens to take my breath away......

The unassisted 3rd person view is alot more easier to use set to normal rather than advanced. Set to normal, pressing the stick left, will simply make you plane turn left rather than barreling roll on itself.

I found it strange at first untill attacked a tank in the middle of some buildings, heading directly up at the sky over the target, then switching to unassisted mode, pulling back on the stick and braking (making the plane stall and flip over on itself almost stopping in mid air) then switching to assist on, firing up the engines and unleashing a couple of missiles at the tank now directly below me.

/damn just sold it to myself
/hates posting on my iPhone (mercy grammar police)

The unassisted 3rd person view is alot more easier to use set to normal rather than advanced. Set to normal for example, pressing pressing the stick left, will simply make you plane turn left rather than barrel roll on itself.

That depends - personally, the simplified controls drove me mad, but I had no trouble with the expert ones. Much easier for me if the controls in the cockpit and from the external cam view are the same. I ended up flying down instead of to the left becasue I kept doing a roll to the left and then pulled the stick down to make the turn.