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The Art of Fable 2 Interview

Xbox 360 Interview by Rob Fahey

30 September, 2008

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Eurogamer: When you talk about developing an engine, and spending two years building art without an engine to throw it into... Was there a day that came where you brought the two things together, and everyone just bit their nails and prayed it would work?

Ian Lovett: Yeah, it's really... It's a massive leap of faith. But we learned a lot from Fable 1. By and large, we're all pretty experienced developers. We have a very senior-heavy team - most of the guys are all Fable 1 people, or they come from years in the industry.

Yeah, there's an amount of nail-biting... But with that, there sort of comes the breadth of experience which says, "yes, you're going to be terrified, we're going to have crisis talks, but we're going to come through it."

Mike McCarthy: I think it's also a lot more gradual than you might think. What you do is, you go through iterations of what's wrong. Initially, everything is wrong! You put the art in there, and everything is wrong. So, okay, we fix everything. Then in the next iteration, it's sort-of everything, but not quite.

Ian Lovett: We're a real iteration-style company. We build that into our development. We do things the first time, not to a final standard, because we know that we're going to come back to it and re-polish it. Some of that is to build in some slack against design changes and stuff, other parts are so that early objects get to mature as the style comes together.

I think, well, we've tried to be tremendously clever - we've made a lot of mistakes, but we have tried our best to be as smart about developing this as possible. When you consider the size of the game, the time that we had, the platform shift, the new engine, the new tools... And Peter [laughs]... I think we did a straight-up job there!

I'm quite pleased how it came together. Although, of course, when you're that close to a game for that long - I can't look at it now without seeing all of the bugs, all of the problems, all of the things that went wrong.

'The Art of Fable 2' Screenshot 3

"The last 500 bugs are the ones that stop it looking good. They're the last ones we fix, and you're sitting there going, 'please god let the lighting fall into place'."

Mike McCarthy: I think the coolest thing about it, actually, is when you get to this stage of the project - after it's mostly done. In your own way, you're almost as surprised by it as everyone else is. When I see footage of other people playing the game, I think, wow - it's a proper game! It's only at the last minute that everything comes together.

Ian Lovett: The last 500 bugs are the ones that stop it looking good. They're the last ones we fix, and you're sitting there going, "please god let the lighting fall into place", "please god stop the trees from being black" - or flat, or something. Every game is like that, but the level of expectation on a reasonably successful franchise means that there are a lot of critical eyes pointed in your direction.

I've forgotten what question we were answering, actually.

Eurogamer: I have no idea what I asked - it was a very long time ago.

Ian Lovett: It was a great question, though.

Eurogamer: Thanks. Okay - say I'm a consumer, I come along and buy Fable 2. What are the things that are really going to jump out at me in terms of the art? What are the really big changes, or really big features that make the game unique?

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"By and large, consumers are visually illiterate," says Lovett. "They don't understand what they're looking at." We're sure he means it lovingly.

Mike McCarthy: By comparison with the first game, it's much more detailed.

Ian Lovett: Yeah - there's a layer of fidelity that you didn't see in the first one. For all that I felt that the first game was quite rich in a number of ways, it was very primitive. A lot of things were very roughly realised. We didn't have the texture space or the memory to do things the way that we wanted to. For a consumer... Well, that's a really difficult one, actually, because by and large - you're going to hate me for this - by and large, consumers are visually illiterate. They don't understand what they're looking at.

Mike McCarthy: Do you really want to say that?

Ian Lovett: Yeah! Yeah, I do actually.

Mike McCarthy: So what you're saying is, by and large, our audience are morons, and...

Ian Lovett: No, no! It's just... They're not necessarily going to notice. I want them to be drawn in, and that's more than the sum of the parts. Nobody's going to look at this and go, "what amazing normal mapping on that! I'm so glad they did that!"

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Ah Toy Story. 'Wait a minute, I just lit a rocket. Rockets ExplODE!' That line gives me goosebumbs everytime I watch it!
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30/09/08 @ 13:36
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This game can't come soon enough, looks phenomenal.
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30/09/08 @ 13:42
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I think they have done a great job with artwork.. how many spiky haired cross dressing emo teenagers can you stand in your (j)RPGs? This feel very European.
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30/09/08 @ 13:44
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A timely article for me as I was looking at some the concept art that I have seen in various media and it is marvellous. There is a picture which I presume was done by Mike McCarthy of a bunch of villagers in a group shot, maybe 15 of them. It was truly beautiful. Every person was full of character, you could imagine a back story for each one of them. You got all that just from they way they were drawn. Fantastic. Do you want to sell it Mr.McCarthy? I'd love a copy!
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30/09/08 @ 13:49
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so close you can taste the disapointment in the air.
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30/09/08 @ 13:53
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30/09/08 @ 14:04
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i guess if you be a fable fan already, then you will probably love it.

if you're a fable detractor, then there will simply be more of the game to hate.

personally i really enjoyed fable, and i daresay i will really enjoy this too.
asphaltcowboy
30/09/08 @ 14:06
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Great interview! More like this please!
bcolter
30/09/08 @ 14:10
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"And this may also be about the only Fable interview you read which doesn't even mention the bloody dog, so savour it."

Fail!

andywilkie35
30/09/08 @ 14:17
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I loved the first game, I've no doubt that I'll love this too

What they said about the scaling back the big hands and feet, I forgot about that! You know what they say about big hands and feet......more pixels....?

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30/09/08 @ 14:19
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why do so many people hate fable 1?
i really enjoyed the game, also enjoyed jade empire. both excellent games.

so today, i actually pre-ordered fable 2 :) whoooooo
BastoJ
30/09/08 @ 14:19
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Really good read, looking forward to Fable 2 even more now :D
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30/09/08 @ 14:27
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I like Lionhead, their games never live up to their expectations, but theyre still good fun to play, + they seem like decent ordinary guys
Markusdragon
30/09/08 @ 14:31
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It's good to see that other people in Lionhead share Peter's sheer relish and fanaticism for their creations. As interviews go, I'm not even sure you needed to be there asking questions, these guys just wanted to tell you absolutely everything they could about the game's dev cycle.

Can't wait for this one. Even if it's as flawed as the first it'll still be full of sheer brilliance.
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30/09/08 @ 14:34
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EG. Please resist the urge to strip soundbites out of this article to make the next 24hours' "news" entries.
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30/09/08 @ 14:34
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This is the 360´s LBP. Hyped to the max, loved by a few, mehhed by the masses. Loved fable1 on pc though.
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30/09/08 @ 14:38
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I'm really not sure what they're babbling on about half the time in this interview. Not at all.

The visually illiterate comment made me smile, mainly as it's absolutely true.
farticusmaximus
30/09/08 @ 14:42
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"This is the 360´s LBP. Hyped to the max, loved by a few, mehhed by the masses."

On a hype scale of 1-10 Fable has had about a 4-5 whereas LBP is well into triple figures.

The fundamental difference between the two games will be that Fable has gameplay in the place of LBP's 'Brand potential'. ;)
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30/09/08 @ 14:42
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Interesting thoughts from those two fellows, and nice to read them.

Didn't play Fable, but with each passing snippet, 2 looks more and more appealing.

I learnt my lesson about buying games on day one a long time ago, though, so am not getting overhyped just yet.
the_dudefather
30/09/08 @ 14:47
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@farticusmaximus

LBP doesn't have a peter molyneux behind the wheel though ;)
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"LBP doesn't have a peter molyneux behind the wheel though ;)"

Is that a good or bad thing? I lost track of whether we're supposed to love or hate him...
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30/09/08 @ 15:08
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I love the art style in this game, can't wait to get stuck into a game that has more varied surroundings than just the one '' Grey, war ravaged city''.
Reminds me more of Tim Burton than Ridley Scott mind.
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30/09/08 @ 15:13
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Good piece, they seem really nice. Did you have to tie up the PR goon for the day?
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Looks beautiful from the pictures. That visually illiterate comment made me smile because so many people think great graphics are about polygon counts rather than actually making something generally pleasant to look at. Along with the British sense of humour that this game promises I'm expecting this game to be a joy to play.
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@farticusmaximus

just joking, but molynuex was known for his hyping madness, he has been good for fable 2 though
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30/09/08 @ 15:28
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I can't wait for this. The people who want to be disappointed inevitably will be disappointed, the people who are merely expecting a video game, albeit an important one, will find plenty to like. And if you liked Fable 1, then this is a sure bet.
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Could be amazing, possible 10/10 I think, but more than likely 9/10.
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30/09/08 @ 16:01
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I can't wait for this. Loved the original, I really never understood the hate it got from certain quarters. One of the few games where I turned it on at about 8:30am, and then realised it was dark & I really needed to go to the toilet. Got up & saw that it was 9pm.

The odd thing was that as I got up to pee, I got a text from a friend of mine that had done exactly the same thing.

Loved it & waiting with baited breath for the sequel.
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"This is the 360´s LBP. Hyped to the max, loved by a few, mehhed by the masses. Loved fable1 on pc though."

Fable 1 sold well over 3 million (not including the expansion and pc version), I highly doubt that the masses will meh it.
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30/09/08 @ 16:29
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Beauty is only skin deep if i can still finish it in under 12 hours i shall be sorely disappointed.
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30/09/08 @ 17:22
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By Finish it, do you mean pump through the main quest GameFaqs on the laptop, or explore the game to it's fullest - ie own an entire city or throw an orgy party or go on the perfect date or get a bunch of villagers drunk with you or get married or be the high preist in the evil temple?

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"Hyped to the max, loved by a few, mehhed by the masses."

Hyped, OK, I'll give you that. As for "loved by a few...", c'mon, it's an RPG. I'd be worried otherwise.
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30/09/08 @ 19:04
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I enjoyed reading that.

More stuff like this. I always find the thought behind the art (look) of a game very interesting.
Von_Adder
30/09/08 @ 19:13
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@ Garulon

Never used a walkthrough or guide in my entire gaming life and believe me thats a very very long time..Ok don't get me wrong i like Fable but i fail to see the fun in "getting married" "getting drunk" "having omg ORGIES" call me old fashioned (i'm asking for it :P) but in my day a good old rpg went the distance 30+ hours without resorting to simsesque social bullshit, a great story is a great story and if its immersive enough i'll play it out, if that story lasts 8 hours tops prolly down to 3 hours after a first run through i for one will feel slightly cheated...Well here's hoping i'm wrong.

Hmm now if i can co-op in these so called orgies with a few of my lady gamer friends........Sad just sad :P
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30/09/08 @ 19:41
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The art style in Fable is one of my favorite things about the game. I'd like to live in Albion, if I could. :p
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30/09/08 @ 21:16
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@Von_Adder

I'm also worried that Fable 2 will be shorter than I want it to be. I did almost everything there was to be done in the first game, and when it was all over, I was only about 17 hours into it.

I think that most older RPGs were only long because of the endless grinding they forced upon you. Then again, if you're having enough fun to sit and grind for half of the game, it must still be worth it.
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30/09/08 @ 23:05
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I don't get the need for duration to justify a game's validity (in any genre). If it's good it's good. Do the people who whinge about this only watch films longer than X hours, or read books above a certain page count? War and Peace ftw for you folks, I guess... :/


"Left wanting more" is almost always better than "outstayed its welcome" for me though.
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My least favourite word when describing a sequel. "darker" Why? Why always darker. It fucked POP, i hope it doesn't do the same to Fable. It had one of the most enchanting environments in any game I have ever played. I remain hopeful.
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01/10/08 @ 01:01
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Great interview. Looking forward to this although I never played Fable 1.
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I was gutted when I completed Fable 1. Not because it was too short, like people have been saying above I did EVERYTHING in 17 hour, but because the game was over. I played it through from start to finish about 12 times, and each time I enjoyed it as much. I just don't do that with games anymore. So if Fable 2 comes close to that, I'll love it.

It looks beautiful, I loved Fable 1, I spunked everywhere when the Lost Chapters were announced, and I'm getting ready for my aching ballsack to spurt everywhere again n three weeks. After virtually four years waiting for this I'm expecting it to be the escape from the real-world I so sorely need after cutting down my weed intake, completing Mass Effect, Oblivion, Call of Duty 4, Halo 3 and all the other big-hitters of this generation and being wholly underwhelmed by games like Bioshock.
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@Load "$"

I think darker may be cheaper to do. There are far more "dark" artists than cheerful happy ones in the computer game design world. Plus it also seems to sell fairly well to video gamers. I'm not saying there are no cartoon graphics, or they're not popular (becaue is nothing else its a nice change to have a less dark game0, but they seem to have declined over the years and more and more games take this darker style route. Then because you have artist trained who do darker style games, they then make more and so the style continues. I seem to remember all the old shool video games being a lot more cartoon like. I guess it's as much down to fashion as anything else. possible also because teenage boys prefer dark to bright, and teen age boys are still the target audience for the video games market.
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01/10/08 @ 19:42
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Fable had alot of character but it was really boxed in, too much loading and the combat just felt pointless... how can you approach any combat with your own strategies for one button fighting mechanics? You cant... can you imagine the guides? "To defeat the wolverine: Press A to attack and B to roll and block to avoid their attacks, repeat this till they are dead".

I hope theyve fleshed out the combat mechanics this time around to make it more worth while, because I was bored of doing the battles after a while and for a game with so many in it, thats not good.
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@Negotiator

Dream on - i hope youre right but i doubth it. Gears 2 and Left 4 dead is getting 9-10/10 all the way.

@Stoatboy : Exactly
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Fable is such a awesome game. I am ready for a new one to come out.

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