Super Smash Bros. Brawl Comments by Tom Bramwell

Captain Olimer is a bloody weak fighter...Link FTW!!!

Yeah, better stop playing "kiddy games". For me at 38 that would also include 18+ games. Can I please get a 36+ age rating where you, i dunno, get games where you murder children by stuffing kittens down their throats or something awful like that.

Or:

Grow the fuck up, you teenage "can't wait until I am 18" wankers. Age ratings do not mean "unsuitable for persons older". It just means there is nothing in the game that is considered harmful to persons of that age OR OLDER. I mean, "Waiting for Godot" is a play children can watch but will be bored to tears because it is suited for adults. And the SSB series are games that have a depth that make them more than simple button mashers.

(It could be argued that "mature" brawlers like the MK and KI series are more "childish" in the sense that they target immature players who get a giggle out of the effects.)

i'm worried. i don't see a mention of jigglypuff being in this game - my favourite bit of SSBMelee was when you twat him out of the arena and he flies off shouting "jigglypuuuuuuuuuuffff!!!". tell me he's in SSBBrawl - won't be the same without him...

Living in the states - i've had this for a while now.

i'm a big nintendo fan.. but didnt like this.

And it has NOTHING to do with it being "kiddy" or any of the other stuff the teenagers on here dont like.

^ did you like the previous one on cube tho? if you did, what's gone wrong w/ this one to make you not like it?

and, most importantly, is jigglypuff in it??

Jigglypuff is indeed in.

All SSB64 characters are in, and the only Melee ones which were cut are Mewtwo, Pichu, Dr. Mario and Roy.

WHOO HOO! I'm going to buy my Wii-today and a copy of this game! In fact, I'm going RIGHT NOW! I'm SO EXCITED! xD

Jigglypuff is indeed in.

sweeet! best bit of the previous game. never actually played using him, just really enjoyed the way he squealed as he left the screen at huge velocity...

Well I got it this morning and now I'm off to do the 'unwanted present' bit so I can exchange it for something else. It must be a bit of a 'Marmite' game with so many varied commments.

@abdallah

Why just the 360 trolls then? The PS3 and Nintendo trolls are just as bad.
And of course the elitest PC fanboys, those guys are the worst of all.

"did you like the previous one on cube tho?"

Never played it.



"if you did, what's gone wrong w/ this one to make you not like it?"

Oooh.. where to start..

1. No tutorial - so for the first few hours you're winning/losing battles with no clear idea why
2. You need to be good at the game before it becomes enjoyable - and stops being a button masher - so you need a LOT of practice..
3. BUT single player sucks balls.
4. So you either end up playing against people who also need lots of practice, or know what they're doing and pound your ass. Either way, your experience sucks.
5. It ONLY begins to get good when YOU know what you're doing and are playing against others that know what they're doing.


But going back to #3 getting to #5 is a fustratingly boring experience.


The game needs TWO things in my opinion..

1. A tutorial, teaching you the various moves, fighting styles, ways to win, etc.
2. A decent single player mode

Oh, and voice comms during online fights wouldnt go a miss either.


EDIT : Oh, and dont bother trying to control it with anything other than the gamecube pad.. ESPECIALLY during online matches. If you use the wiimote during online matches you're gonna get yer ass kicked.

@WinterSnowblind: Nah, 360 trolls are the worst, as they tend also to be pc owning trolls who love their fps games.

"Well I got it this morning and now I'm off to do the 'unwanted present' bit so I can exchange it for something else. It must be a bit of a 'Marmite' game with so many varied commments."


Erm.. so your returning it based upon peoples comments without actually playing it yourself to form your own opinion?

Do you EVER form your own opinion? Or do you let all the kids in the playground dictate to you what to do in your life?

yeah, to be honest, all those criticisms could probably apply to the cube version too - you really have to put some hours in + get to grips with the control system before it becomes a really good game. it's well worth the effort if you can get into it tho.

@smelly.. if the ps3 owners keep themselves to themselves.. why are you baiting 360 owners?

@Smelly

There's no tutorial as such but there is a training mode where you can get to grips with the controls.
You can even spawn any item at will in case you want to try one out, no it doesn't talk you through the moves but combined with the manual you should be able to understand enough to do alright in the main game.

@smelly and @firefly

There's a video on both melee and brawl giving a quick overview of run, jump, punch, kick, dodge, smash etc. you have to watch it a couple of times to see what's going on as it is brief. As for the special character moves: they're covered in the instruction booklet. It's a light read honest ;)

This one of the very few games i would play if i had a wii.

@trebell: Dummo.. probs because i own a 360 (when its not in repair) and not a ps3...

@robson_wii: THE MANUAL!?!?? Are you serious?!? When was the LAST time a game made you read the manual to let you know what's going on? Most games TEACH you how to play through the game itself. Forcing players to go back to the manual is VERY 10 years ago! You can now even play something like civilisation without needing a 200 page book next to you to figure out what leads to what...

"yeah, to be honest, all those criticisms could probably apply to the cube version too - you really have to put some hours in + get to grips with the control system before it becomes a really good game. it's well worth the effort if you can get into it tho. "


Thats the point though..

I shouldnt HAVE t o battle with the controls.. sure. i might need to battle with them to get good.. that's not an issue.. But to pick it up and play first time - i should be able to know what i'm doing at least basically straight away!

A game SHOULD have a nice learning curve which eases you in and gradually works with you to make you better at it until you're a pro.. In this the game doesnt have a learning curve, more a learning mountain - or a learning brick wall to climb over!

I never played earlier games - but that shouldnt stop me enjoying a later sequel..

I honestly believe the people giving this game high scores were either:

a) bought in with all the rediculous hype surrounding it
b) paid a backhander
c) fanboys of earlier games and were blinkered to the faults someone new to it would find.

In this case i think it's a mix of a & c..

@smelly

It's Wimbledon season and yes I am. A manual is all part and parcel of the game presentation and includes back-story and some great art-work which adds to the atmosphere of the game. I travel abroad a lot so coming back to an epic game after a month sometimes requires the refresher. I don't always want to start at the beginning again so a quick peek at the booklet helps. Now I'm probably giving a bit more away about my age group :)

As to the fanboy thing, I agree. There's a lot of people who don't like the game because of the learning curve but at work on a Friday afternoon Smash Bros, Mario Kart and Halo are the firm favourites for multi-player games.

@ smelly: yeah man, i wasn't trying to excuse it, it is a fault with the game really. it's also why many many people just write it off as a button-basher with no depth, cos it doesn't present itself to you immediately, you have to work at it to find the depth.

as for why people were giving it high scores, maybe they just didn't have as much of a struggle with the controls as you, and liked it? no need to go round throwing accusations of being bribed or suckered by hype just cos you didn't get to grips with it properly - tho i know you always do that with scores you don't agree with...

I introduced someone to it yesterday, who's pretty generally a non-gamer, they picked it very well in about 20 minutes...

in conclusion, smelly, you suck :P

Did i say that i hadn't learned how to play it?

No.

I said that it would benefit from a tutorial that's all. Because without someone telling you what to do (as you probably did your friend), or going to the manual (ick! In this day and age?), you spend the first 20 minutes (and in some cases longer) button bashing winning/losing battles with no clear idea why.

I'm sorry, but take away all the popular nintendo characters and this game STINKS of mediocrity. I've not seen such a highly rated mediocre game since halo 3.

Next on my list of highly rated popular games which i think are a bit shit, and in saying i dont like will invoke the wrath of the fanboys..... GTA4 -

Worst oine of the series, and a step back from Gta:Sa.

I said jump, a for regular, b for special, even less than there is in the in game movie.

As for GTA IV, havn't we already got a mega long comments thread for that? :D

Out of interest, what game(s) have you liked recently?

I'm still playing this ^_^ my 360 and ps3 lie mostly unused but this game gets a bit of playtime even now and i've had it since launch day