Super Mario Galaxy Review

By Margaret Robertson Published 5 November, 2007

All's right with the Super Mario world.

Version tested: Wii

Super Mario Galaxy is an embarrassment. It's an embarrassment for platform games. It's an embarrassment for adventure games. It's an embarrassment for Nintendo and an embarrassment for the Wii. What have we all been playing at in the ten years since Super Mario 64 came out? This is what gaming ought to be like.

Bright, bold, unrepentantly loony, Galaxy is everything you wanted it to be. It's beautiful and inventive. It's pure-blood Mario without being a retro indulgence. It's a stiff platforming challenge and a free-wheeling romp. It's the best thing on Wii, and the best traditional game Nintendo has made in a decade. The only thing about it which dulls your enjoyment is the memory of all the mediocre games you've had to play in the meantime.

But after more than a year of puzzling over screenshots and pouring over previews, you're still probably at a bit of a loss about what on earth Mario Galaxy is actually all about, so here's a basic guide: it's Super Mario 64. Strip it back to basics, and what you find - those controls, that level structure - is the same blueprint. Forget that the castle is now a spaceship, forget that there's no longer an attack button, forget that Mario doesn't dream of spaghetti any more, this is a straightforward spiritual successor to the N64 classic. The controls are as tight and fluid as you remember, even though they're now split up over the Remote and Nunchuk. The sense of wonder and exploration is as mind-blowing as you remember, even if the setting is wildly different. The game remains the same: you'll go into each world, hunt out stars, unlock new areas, tackle Bowser and rescue Peach, dodging Thwomps, squashing Goombas and flicking switches along the way.

'Super Mario Galaxy' Screenshot 1

Bowser, after years as a comedy villain, is back to his scaly, scabrous best.

So if you've done all this before, and Mario's done all this before, why should you care? Peach, perhaps realising that Mario's motivation may be flagging a bit after all these years, knows she needs to up the ante: 'Come to the castle,' she instructs. 'There's something I want to give you.' No coy references to cake here, just a pretty straightforward promise that she's ready to deliver what he's spent years waiting for. And if Peach knows what Mario wants, then Galaxy knows what you want, too. 'Yay, you're here!' squeals a Toad the second you arrive in the game, just as your brain squeals exactly the same thing. A few minutes later, after a not-so-great-but-really-who-cares cut-scene, it happens all over again. 'Now go and explore the universe,' you're told, just as the itch to go explore the universe becomes unbearable.

And it's the right word. Galaxy gives you a universe. Nothing is rationed here - not ideas, not space, not colour. Levels spin off into infinity, whole planets are built just for the sake of one joke or one puzzle. To describe any of them in detail would be to rob you of the hoots of delight and the whimpers of trepidation that will squeeze out of you when you see them for the first time, but the level names tell you all - there's the dusty and the gusty, the freezeflame and the flipswich. You'll drip drop to a sling pod, hurry scurry to a sweet sweet, loopdeloop to a deep, dark, melty molten space junk toy time. It's a whole new language of impossible, unstoppable delights.

'Super Mario Galaxy' Screenshot 2

The pure platforming levels are often spiced up with arrows which flip the direction of gravity. This, terrifyingly, is one of the simpler examples.

Where's the sky? Where's the ground? Dimensions come and go as the game slips in and out of 3D and 2D with little warning and no reservations. Gravity flips and switches - on, off, one way then another way. It would be the game most guaranteed to give you vertigo, if at any point you had any clear idea which way down was. Instead, you just follow the fun, chasing star trails and distant glimmers across oceans of empty sky. Levels form and dissolve under your feet, rotating and revolving. Somehow, through it all, the camera doesn't break sweat. And somehow, through it all, you're never lost and never confused. If you've seen Fred Astaire dance on the ceiling in Royal Wedding, or Jamiroquai sliding into Virtual Insanity, then you're well prepared for Mario's new galaxy. You may also want to schedule another lap of Portal's mind-benders, just to be sure you're warmed-up for his total disregard for the recognised rules of physics. You'll blow bubbles, de-louse giant bees, race rays, skate through the stars, climb towers that don't exist and battle giant robots, all without a second thought.

'Super Mario Galaxy' Screenshot 3

Mario can simply jump from one smaller planet to another, relying on gravity to suck him in to land.

It's simply an explosion of inventiveness - a total rejection of the cookie-cutter. There's almost no way of knowing when you go into a level what it's going to look like, what you'll need to do, or how long it will take. One star will be a cheeky diversion, the next a five-stage epic of delight and adventure. The abolition of standard tasks - particularly coin collecting in all its various red, blue and normal guises - means that the visual inventiveness is matched with mission design ingenuity. There are still things to collect, and bosses to beat, castles to scale and wrecks to dive, but the majority of the game's 120 stars feel like self-contained adventures, tiny labours of love full of detail and delight. Such is the game's flair and freshness that even the boss battles, of which there are many, are a joy - funny, spectacular, fair and unpredictable. Bowser, despite being reincarnated in his full monstrous glory, only just manages to hold his own.

Each dome - a room on the starship which forms the game's main hub - contains a handful of galaxies. Some of these will be major levels, where you'll hunt for three main stars, a hidden star and a 'comet' star. Some will be one-shot levels - a race or a stand-alone puzzle, say. Finally, there'll be a Bowser level, back in full fiendish force, Mario 64 style. The new 'comet' stars are the perfect example of the Galaxy team refusing to take the easy way out in getting the most from the worlds they have created. At any given time, a variety of comets will be in orbit around particular galaxies. These prevent you accessing the normal stars, and instead present you with a specific challenge - race a cosmic double, Shadow Mario style; face a boss with only one hit point; re-do a level with all enemies and platforms speeded up. Rather than just recycling the same content, these are well-judged tasks which emphasise the strengths of specific levels' designs.

Each of those levels may be anything from a cluster of tiny planets to a grandiose ship in a bottle, but either way there are a number of stars to collect, and what star you go 'in' on can, as you'd expect, affect the set-up of the world when you arrive. Secret stars are tucked away, rewarding those who are curious enough to see where that distant pipe goes, or disciplined enough to hoard Star Bits in case they meet any hungry bonus stars. The game is as aggressively non-linear as Mario 64 was, guaranteeing that you always have a wide variety of levels open at any one time, and uses comet challenges and hints from a perennially lost Luigi to encourage you to go back and milk additional stars from completed galaxies. And, with Trial Galaxies to unlock, and taxing high-score challenges to be met and bragged about via the Wii message board (you can take photos of your star tally and scores), Galaxy is going to be a game which is as generous with its time as it is with its space.

'Super Mario Galaxy' Screenshot 4

There are old friends scattered throughout the galaxies, although not as you might expect

So far, so sweet. But does it matter that it's on the Wii? The basic controls certainly don't rely on anything the N64 couldn't deliver, but the two main additions do bring the remote into every aspect of the game. The first is your attack, a spin move which is triggered by a sharp, neat shake of the Remote. This is a nice instinctive touch, although it may take you a little time to adjust to the second or so cool-off time before you can unleash follow-up spin. The second is the requirement to use the Remote as a pointer to sweep up Star Bits, the game's secondary currency. While coins still operate as health, and represent your high-score for each level, Star Bits act as 1-Ups, and are crucial for unlocking hidden galaxies. Collecting them, particularly as Mario soars through the sky from a space-cannon or slingshot is narcotically satisfying, whether it's you or a second player that's doing the honours. The Remote also works wonderfully for activating the Pull-Stars, little handholds in the sky which tractor Mario towards them. Less successful are the rarer one-off modes, which see you doing things like steering a jet-ski-like ray fish by tilting the controller left and right. These come perilously close to feeling tacked on, and add little compared to simply steering with the analogue stick.

'Super Mario Galaxy' Screenshot 5

This Monkey Ball inspired level is one of the better uses of the Remote's motion sensing capabilities.

These mild annoyances with the control are the worst of the small niggles that let Galaxy down. With the health power meter now reduced from six sections to three, experimenting with new enemies and tactics can be a little fraught - try the wrong thing twice in a row and you're in immediately danger of dying. Thankfully, generous restart points, an abundance of 1-Ups from Star Bits and regular gifts of extra lives from Peach mean that there's really no reason to see the Game Over screen at any point in the 15-20 hours it will take you to finish the game's initial story arc.

More disappointing is the lack of a strong sense of identity. Many individual levels are dazzling and unforgettable, but overall the game can feel a bit fragmented. The starship in particular doesn't offer the kind of playground freedom that you want in a Mario hub area - you're never going to feel like it's home, the way Mario 64's castle still does to those of us who are hoping to go there when we die. That slight incoherence is also evident when the balance starts to tip a little too close to adventure game and a little too far from platformer. It just doesn't feel right to have Mario lighting torches to open locked doors - Link's agents are surely planning to sue. The extra costumes and cap equivalents also feel a little flimsy in their implementation - no matter how adorable Mario's fat little bee booty is, these elements just don't feel well integrated into the main game.

'Super Mario Galaxy' Screenshot 6

Mario's most entertaining power-up is the spring suit, which launches him high into the air.

The great challenge in making a follow-up to Mario 64 was always that to do it justice, you'd have to make a game which is as much its own as Mario 64 was. That's no easy task when you also have to integrate the traditions of two decades of Mario games and the expectations of millions of fans. Sunshine, despite its dazzle, ultimately collapsed under that weight, becoming repetitive and sometimes cumbersome as it tried to find the balance. Where Galaxy matches Mario 64 is not quite in its quality of execution - alongside the brilliance of some stars are others which fall a bit flat, and there isn't the overall sense of implacable perfection that that game had - but in its confidence and originality. Another decade needs to go by before we'll know whether it will come to be as revered as 64 did. For now, all that matters is that the waiting is finally over.

10 / 10

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  • krudster #1 4 years ago

    Hurrah!

  • Dizzy #2 4 years ago

    Gratz Nintendo.... looks like i will finally get a Wii for xmas.

  • Lyingarden #3 4 years ago

    Wow, wasn't expecting that!

    Well done Nintendo.

  • Toonster #4 4 years ago

    Woah. What the...?

    /reads review

  • weeno #5 4 years ago

    Fantastic! Can't wait for this game!

    Although who is Margaret Robertson?

  • AnotherMartin #6 4 years ago

    \o/

    hope my pre-order turns up on release day, earlier would be nice as well. :)

  • trotskyicepick #7 4 years ago

    wow how did they get their hands on this? first 10/10 for wii!?

  • drumm23 #8 4 years ago

    oo ooo oooo oooo oooo oo oooo oo oo ooo ooo oooo oo ooooo ooo o ooo oo

    oo

    ooo

  • cardboardMonster #9 4 years ago

    Get in. Sounds superb.

  • ChrisS #10 4 years ago

    "who is Margaret Robertson?"

    LOL.

    Cracking review, and I wholeheartedly agree. Though I'd be tempted to give it one more.

  • foamy #11 4 years ago

    wow. 11 comments. This certainly isn't the Halo 3 review.

    Anyway, glad it turned out good :]

  • SeanLB #12 4 years ago

    I've read all the reviews coming through for Galaxy across the board, and it just negates me that while this greatness is being unleashed upon us; Sonic is being thrown down the toilet by Sega. If only Sonic could have his own platform like Galaxy.

    But going off that nonsensical tangent, while the reviews aren't surprising with the hype for this game, it is still pleasant to have a title that according to the reviewers at least matches up to hype set about for it.

  • GrandpaUlrira #13 4 years ago

    Sneaky time for a review! Good news on the review though!

  • hypernova #14 4 years ago

    \o/

  • Toonster #15 4 years ago

    NO HALO REFERENCES BELOW THIS LINE

    ___________________________________

  • Pooley #16 4 years ago

    Shine got!

    er....

    Star got!

  • jamespo #17 4 years ago

    praise the lord... a game I want to get has come out for my wii

  • Nemesis #18 4 years ago

    The 16th can't come quick enough.

    /waits a bit more.

    Excellent review BTW

  • evilashchris #19 4 years ago

    I need this so bad.

    /deducts price of SMG from wifes christmas present fund.

  • dirigiblebill #20 4 years ago

    Superb!

  • Psychotext #21 4 years ago

    lol @ embargos. =)

  • harrisimo #22 4 years ago

    the games tm review was actually even more enthusiastic than this one - called it a "landmark" game - yet strangely they gave it a 9. not that scores matter... this game looks just amazing. trying not to read too much about it, as don't want to spoil it, but the screenshots i have caught look just incredible... thank god i have a wii. oh, and mp3, after an uninspiring first couple of hours, is getting just better and better.

    feeling much wii love.

  • LazyDan #23 4 years ago

    YES! The one review of Mario Galaxy I was waiting for - thumbs up!

    I'm so glad we actually get this at a reasonable amount of time from our American friends rather than being punished with a several month wait. I can't wait :D Then when I'm totally done with it, Smash Bros: Brawl will be here, hurrah!

    Also "Related Groups: Gay gamers"

    Miyamoto didn't pull a J.K Rowling on any Mario characters did he?
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 00:41

  • Psychotext #24 4 years ago

    Oh, and release a black Wii Nintendo... I'm not buying one until I can have one that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb.

  • Toonster #25 4 years ago

    Related Groups: Gay gamers.

    Eh?

    edit: gah, LazyDan noticed it before I did.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 00:43

  • mowgli #26 4 years ago

    About fucking time.

  • drumm23 #27 4 years ago

    Havok go tits-up as physics declared "Over-Rated"

  • paul_haine #28 4 years ago

    I just wanted to join in this thread before the rest of the nation wakes up. Hello, thread!

    I've been holding off buying a Wii until this...course, now I won't be able to get one until, like, February, but still, it'll be nice to look forward to.

  • StringBeanJean #29 4 years ago

    Morning all. I really want a godamn wii now this and metroid are out. Somebody help me out!

  • Hunam #30 4 years ago

    Not a shock at the score, more of the random freelancer reviewing it!

    Obviously, related groups is a genius step, pure comedy!
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 00:59

  • figaro7 #31 4 years ago

    Godly, nothing compares to the awesomeness of a mario platformer, nothing! Good to see miyamoto and co can still crank out games like this 25 years later! Us Aussies have to wait til the 29th, luckily ive got a slew of games to keep me going til then!

  • jamiscool #32 4 years ago

    More reasons for them not to drop the price of the console...great...

  • abdallah #33 4 years ago

    Woohoo!

  • AhrimaaN #34 4 years ago

    SO... better than Halo 3 then.

  • JonFE #35 4 years ago

    WHERE DID THIS COME FROM????????????????????

  • Bidermaier #36 4 years ago

    Lol, the "random freelancer" was an Edge editor.

  • GordonCaladan #37 4 years ago

    Do we attribute the "related group" to the discovery of U R MR GAY?
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 01:41

  • Vice.Destroyer #38 4 years ago

    The random free-lancer, ex-Edge editor also pens articles for the BBC site, in the Technology section. Stuff like, "Why I love videogames", etc. She is generally quite good, even though she came out with this gem:

    "If I'm playing Guitar Hero on the expert setting, I know as a matter of certainty that I can't keep up with the sequence of notes streaming by.

    Not least because my eyes go completely out of focus within about a minute. And yet, somehow, my brain and my hand have done a deal, and notes are streaming out of the screen and my score is through the roof."

    Personally speaking, I stopped being a spectator in my own head since I stopped taking Class A drugs. But to each their own.

    Good review though.

  • Putty-Man #39 4 years ago

    Ah yes, I knew that off white little box under my TV was gonna come good again, excellent stuff!

  • Charlie_Miso #40 4 years ago

    why not just mario galaxy?

    why super??

  • Ares #41 4 years ago

    \o/ :D

    Finally ... proper games!

  • ruckus #42 4 years ago

    \o/
    ...I've just got to resist looking at anything to do with this until it's in my hands now.
    Plus Endless Ocean to look forward to :)

  • ChrisOTR #43 4 years ago

    EG is a great site, don't get me wrong, and I *am* very excited about this, but don't forget EG gave Sunshine 9/10...

    And with hindsight a lot of people (including me) think that should've been 8 or even lower.

    Still, it's preordered so fingers crossed it'll justify this mark!
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 03:17

  • Khanivor #44 4 years ago

    One of those screenshots looks like it came from Nebulous. Which is just dandy in my book!

  • PameBoy #45 4 years ago

    WOOHOOOOOO!

    ...mama mia

  • Kryon #46 4 years ago

    10/10 eh? How quaint.

  • Pulsar_t #47 4 years ago

    @SeanLB

    +1

  • mazzl #48 4 years ago

    does it have co-op?

  • Steroyd #49 4 years ago

    A 10 from EG that isn't a FPS OMG!

  • Greger #50 4 years ago

    Company of Heroes got a 10 too, y'know.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 07:05

  • Kryon #51 4 years ago

    A 10 from EG that isn't a FPS OMG!

    It's not really a proper EG review, it's some woman from Edge who believes FFVII to have been a good for nothing game that annoys her. So really (no offence) but I don't really value what she says in regards to video games.

  • MrFlintBlackman #52 4 years ago

    Just over 10 years and we finally get a decent Mario 64 sequal.

    MAMA-MIA!

    Damn it looks so colourful!

    Bowser better be the last boss or they'll be trouble!.......lots of trouble.

  • ElNino9 #53 4 years ago

    This looks awesome, thank god my brother has a Wii, I'll get it for him ;) Apparent altruism ftw \o/

  • Tonka #54 4 years ago

    12.90.75
    UNBELIEVE

  • Landmaster #55 4 years ago

    A masterpiece.

    x x x

  • elmerfudd #56 4 years ago

    Thank you Nintendo.
    You just made a grown man cry with joy.

  • SirClive #57 4 years ago

    Damn, I was hoping this was gonna be rubbish so I didn't have to buy it. So many games, so little time.

  • Ignatius_Cheese #58 4 years ago

    Fecking - A!

    Cannot wait! \o/

  • pagedown #59 4 years ago

    "Related Groups: Gay gamers."

    Eh?

  • MoFo #60 4 years ago

    Oh my God! That review was nausiatingly sickeningly happy and joyous as are all the comments in this thread. Is it really that good a game that we'll all turn in to 11 year olds? I can't stand anything to do with Mario but I love a good game so will this game be so good that I can finally overcome my prejudice against him?

  • lambtron #61 4 years ago

    Indeed. It is a great time to be a gamer.

  • Garulon #62 4 years ago

    Great, a dated platform game on a dated console gets reviewed by a dated reviewer. Do the rose-tinted glasses come in the box, or are they sold seperately by N for £20?

  • aldo_14 #63 4 years ago

    Great, a dated platform game on a dated console gets reviewed by a dated reviewer. Do the rose-tinted glasses come in the box, or are they sold seperately by N for £20?

    Wow, what made you such a bitter and twisted individual?

  • JohnnyWashnGo #64 4 years ago

    Sweet baby jesus - preordered at virgin ages ago for £25 and not regretting it now.

    I cannot wait for this game.

    Along with metroid prime, which I am playing at the moment at loving so much, and phantom hourglass, which is just superb, control system and everything is perfect, I reckon Nintendo has christmas all wrapped up.

    Well done N

  • mkreku #65 4 years ago

    Who is Margaret Robinson? No matter, not enough for me to get a Wii.

  • TiredRiver #66 4 years ago

    The only thing that worries me about Galaxy is that it will not be organic enough. I like organic. I like sand and water and grass and trees and stone. Each base was covered in Mario 64 in that there was no silly FLUDD and the engine used wind and snow and water to give thrills as opposed to machinations that never, for me, fit with a great game.

    BTW
    Eurogamer is privileged to have any ex Edge reviewer or current Edge reviewer.
    Much better that the retarded American reviews a la IGN.

  • TiredRiver #67 4 years ago

    I'm broke.
    Between this and Mario & Sonic, Crossbow Training, Mass Effect, Assassin, COD 4 topped with money already spent on Halo, Orange, Sega Rally and FIFA.
    It is tiresome that such games are all released in the same window.

  • TiredRiver #68 4 years ago

    Do you fly in this game ?

  • Kryon #69 4 years ago

    "Eurogamer is privileged to have any ex Edge reviewer or current Edge reviewer."

    Nah, the only reviews that have never let me down have been written by Krudster right here on EG. I lost faith in Edge many years ago...

  • Slim #70 4 years ago

    Woot!

  • symbiote #71 4 years ago

    "It's pure-blood Mario without being a retro indulgence"

    Apart from the sound-effects, I'm guessing.

  • JYM60 #72 4 years ago

    No 7/10. :)

    Look forward to playing this.

  • TiredRiver #73 4 years ago

    @ Kyron

    Noting wrong with krudster.
    But be fair.
    Galaxy review is well written and clearly written by someone who appreciates a GREAT game by which I mean Mario 64. The review even has a touch of whimsy, which I liked. Credit where credit is due.

    More importantly one could argue that krudster is not qualified to review Galaxy as he has said before he never owned a N64 and never played Mario 64 except on DS, which is a pale imitation.

  • Katsumoto #74 4 years ago

    Kyron - only trust Krudster eh? The same Krudster you called a troll for stating he preferred Metroid Prime 3 to Halo 3?

    Can't wait for this, incidentally. The last few months of 2007 should be enough to silence even the most determined "wii has no gameslol" types

  • Brianstorm #75 4 years ago

    Mazza is back!!!!!

  • thejeek #76 4 years ago

    If this had come out a year ago I might not have sold my Wii. As it is, it's too little too late. One swallow does not a summer make etc. etc...

  • TiredRiver #77 4 years ago

    It is winter.
    The Swallows are gone.
    The games are left and by any account the Wii is just starting to get some good stuff. I'm waiting for Wii Sports 2 - Online. Tell me what kind of company would not release a sequel and put it online ? Crazy.

  • Carlo #78 4 years ago

    I hope they fix my wii in the next week.

    /crosses fingers.

  • Kryon #79 4 years ago

    @Katsumoto

    A - I thought you had me on ignore...

    B - I have never called Krudster a 'Troll'...

    Please get your facts straight in the future.

  • bonker #80 4 years ago

    Hurrah.

    A game that's, y'know, a game.

    With colours and stuff.

    And no guns ...

    /Considers Wii purchase ...
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 09:06

  • Katsumoto #81 4 years ago

    Kyron: Was using a work pc so not automatically logged on! I can't escape you!

    p.s. apologies- it was another person who called him a troll, I mixed you up with Nicky4somethingorother.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 09:11

  • TiredRiver #82 4 years ago

    @ Kryon
    @ Katsumoto

    Just get a room ladies.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 09:12

  • Tonka #83 4 years ago

    EINHÄNDER

  • steellam #84 4 years ago

    Been playing this over the weekend and its amazingly similar to mario 64. Too much dialogue over the first half hour, I think mario games should be just pick up and go but they seem to be forcing a load of unskippable shite down your neck.

    Me and the missus tried co-op but it seems its only 1 player running round but you have 2 cursors so a friend can collect stars and shoot baddies for you with them.

    Reached a pure platform bit inside a glass looking tube in the first galaxy and the arrows that switch gravity are a very cool idea, nothing revolutionary but it does everything its expected too brilliantly :)

  • MyPointIs #85 4 years ago

    If this thread doesn´t get as many comments as Halo 3 is simply because it´s not so controversial.

    This is one truly deserves the 10.

  • kincaide #86 4 years ago

    WEEPS WITH JOY

  • Katsumoto #87 4 years ago

    @ tired, sorry:)

    Back to the point: yup, it is indeed a good time to be a wii owner. Recently we've had MySims, SUper Paper Mario, (Madden 08 for the 3 NFL fans in Europe), Fifa08, Metroid Prime 3, not forgetting Resident Evil 4, Mercury Meltdown, Mario Strikers, Godfather and Scarface from earlier in the year (oh and trauma centre)

    Coming up we have this, FOrever Blue, UmbrellaChronicles,Smash Bros., Lego Star Warscomplete trilogy, etc. Expensive Christmas ahead!

  • harrisimo #88 4 years ago

    Forever Blue... is that the game where you swim around tickling fish? That does look kind of chilled.

  • Killerbee #89 4 years ago

    Didn't expect this so early. I guess the NDA expired at midnight, huh?

    /settles down to read...

  • Darren #90 4 years ago

    To say I can't wait to play this game is a massive, massive understatement. I was one of those people that adored Sunshine on the 'Cube and this game looks even better. I watched over an hour's worth of high-quality 852x480 video footage from Gamersyde over the weekend and it was really enjoyable to watch so I can only imagine the pleasure increases hundred-fold once you actually play it.

    Sadly, I made the fatal mistake of watching those videos straight after 40 minutes worth of 720p jaw-droppingly lush Ratchet and Clank Future ones from the same site so the visuals, although artistically gorgeous in design and colour as well as being imaginative, do look a bit low fidelity and barely an improvement over Sunshine IMO and certainly not the leap from SM64 to Sunshine that's for sure.

    Still the visuals are cute and appealing, undoutedly excellent when judged on their own merits, the music is outstanding, the controls, especially the use of the pointer, look innovative and, as I said, the level design looks supremely inventive. With Zelda: Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3 now out, all great games, and SMG to follow soon, has there ever been a better time to own a Wii? Roll on 16th (or rather 15th if Gameplay send out my copy early!). :)

  • DrDamn #91 4 years ago

    @TiredRiver
    "More importantly one could argue that krudster is not qualified to review Galaxy as he has said before he never owned a N64 and never played Mario 64 except on DS, which is a pale imitation."

    WTF? He's a professional games reviewer, that makes him perfectly qualified to review the game and give his opinion.

    As a character I detest Mario and his friends, but can't deny the quality of his games. Plenty of other games in this genre are produced and very, very few even come close to the ingenuity which is rampant in these games.

  • Garulon #92 4 years ago

    "Wow, what made you such a bitter and twisted individual? "

    About a million crappy platformers, I'm looking at this one and thinking "OK, collect the stars, jump up this, jump down there, collect this collect that" it just doesn't look like it's moved on from 1996 in any way.

  • RandolphScott #93 4 years ago

    Margaret Robertson was a writer or editor of Edge if I'm not mistaken.

  • bigbadbeasty #94 4 years ago

    Now I do believe that this probably is a 10/10 game, but they have been a little to gung-ho with the 10/10's recently. It kinda lessen its value.

  • KingOfIceland #95 4 years ago

    Must..... posses...... a.. copy........ NAO

  • Murbal #96 4 years ago

    Perhaps now is the time for a Wii... Now how do I copnvince the Mrs?

  • JediMasterMalik #97 4 years ago

    I also can't stand mario, I think he's a rubbish character, with a rubbish story. However, this game looks fantastic, and I'm seriously considering buying a Wii now. :(

  • Mauve #98 4 years ago

    The first page of this review was unintelligible twaddle.

  • JYM60 #99 4 years ago

    @JMM

    Mario has a story? :)

  • Darren #100 4 years ago

    @Garulon - I don't know what you were expecting from SMG to be honest; Mario in its purest form will always be a platformer where you collect stuff and that's exactly what the fans expected and wanted. So in that respect, it doesn't matter whether the concept is "dated" or not, this is what a Mario game should be.

    And dated or not, even the most cynical, cold-hearted person surely cannot deny that the game looks a whole lot of fun to play. Not convinced? Well go check out the two First 10 Minutes videos from Gamersyde and I'll guarantee you'll be converted. If you aren't then I'd have to question whether you're even interested in games... :p

  • Xerx3s #101 4 years ago

    ffs ninty, dump that nogood wiisports and bundle the wii with this and MP3 for christmas! :/

  • smurphs #102 4 years ago

    I reckon 2007 will go down as one of the best years for games ever. Now I just need the next three years off so I can play them all.

  • Eighthours #103 4 years ago

    Great, a dated platform game on a dated console gets reviewed by a dated reviewer. Do the rose-tinted glasses come in the box, or are they sold seperately by N for £20?

    It must be so enjoyable to be you.

  • Killerbee #104 4 years ago

    /finishes reading

    Sounds fantastic and I've certainly no regrets about getting a Wii at launch, despite the drought in the early part of this year. Zelda and Wii Sports made it worth it at launch, and Super Paper Mario and Metroid Prime 3 are more than making up for the quiet spell. This looks like the icing on the cake.

    Good review as well. (And yes, I did already know who Margaret Robertson is). Well written, well argued, and really gets across why this game is something to get excited about.

  • Ace_McCloud #105 4 years ago

    Too many 10/10's, too little time:(

  • skillian #106 4 years ago

    This could possibly be the game that convinces me to buy my first console since the N64.

  • Wash #107 4 years ago

    Finally a great game for the Wii, give me a handful of em and a sub £100 wii and i'm there.

  • OnlyMe #108 4 years ago

    I don't really trust reviews of "real" Mario games anymore, after SMS. Sunshine was very mediocre, but it scored very highly everywhere.

  • tomg #109 4 years ago

    Pure game review porn.

    Pass the tissues.

  • miiiguel #110 4 years ago

    My girlfriend will love it. It might be the best girlish game eva.

    Then again, just like most reviwers, the name Marioooooo alone makes her like it.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 10:22

  • DrDamn #111 4 years ago

    @Xerx3s
    "ffs ninty, dump that nogood wiisports and bundle the wii with this and MP3 for christmas! :/"

    That would just be madness. Nintendo have sold the Wii to a load of new home console people based on titles like WiiSports. They really don't want to play Mario. People who do will buy a Wii to play it whether it is bundled or not. Which way makes Nintendo more money?

  • mcmonkeyplc #112 4 years ago

    Wii time....again.

  • AcidSnake #113 4 years ago

    Excellent...Must buy...

    Also, as has been remarked before, a real kick-ass period for gaming...

  • ST.. #114 4 years ago

    So how come Tom didn't get this review?

  • Xerx3s #115 4 years ago

    That would just be madness. Nintendo have sold the Wii to a load of new home console people based on titles like WiiSports. They really don't want to play Mario. People who do will buy a Wii to play it whether it is bundled or not. Which way makes Nintendo more money?

    I know it would be madness for them but it would be nice for me. ^_^

  • miiiguel #116 4 years ago

    I think Nintendo payed the reviwer, at least that's what "they"^say about tens.
    That and "you can't possible hand a 10 because of this and because of that... !"

    Although I can't find any of those comments this time...
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 10:33

  • JYM60 #117 4 years ago

    Is this by the makers of nintendogs?

  • Daikon #118 4 years ago

    Shouldn't she spend a little bit more time playing the game before actually giving it a 10/10?

  • James_Lyon #119 4 years ago

    Only on Eurogamer could we argue more about who reviewed the game rather than the review itself.

  • haowan #120 4 years ago

    Paragraph 2: 'pouring' should be 'poring'

  • miiiguel #121 4 years ago

    you can't give 10, because it would be the perfect game..., and stuff...

    money was probably inlcuded in the reviwed copy.

  • Les #122 4 years ago

    What, only two pages?

  • ghearoid #123 4 years ago

    i haven't read the review as i've been avoiding all previews and descriptions of the game so it'll all be a lovely surprise when i get to play it for myself but... 10/10!!

    \o/

  • miiiguel #124 4 years ago

    They had to pay the score, couldn't afford more.

  • DonnieDarko333 #125 4 years ago

    GO GALAXY!

    GALAXY! GALAXY! GALAXY!


  • rhinoxious #126 4 years ago

    Ghearoid +1

    Not even sure why I bothered to look at the score, would have bought it anyway.

  • Fairlane #127 4 years ago

    sounds like the usual Mario stuff - uninteresting. I know i will pick it up someday anyway

  • Garulon #128 4 years ago

    "And dated or not, even the most cynical, cold-hearted person surely cannot deny that the game looks a whole lot of fun to play. Not convinced? Well go check out the two First 10 Minutes videos from Gamersyde"

    Some bits look kind of cool but there's stuff like "jump over the holes on the moving platform whilst also dodging the moving lasers in the opposite direction" that make me just think "Eurgh". If it had some kind of genuine innovation - like true co-op, not just some tacked-on thing where player 2 gets to shoot stars whilst bored; or any kind of platforming multiplayer, or being able to build and share your own levels from a toolbox then I'd probably look more kindly on it but it just seems like SM64 - which yeah is a good game - wrapped onto spheres.

  • Lemming81 #129 4 years ago

    Awesome. And we still have at least 2 killer franchises to go:

    SSBB and MarioKart. Not to mention Animal Crossing and another (hopefully) Starfox game.

  • Garulon #130 4 years ago

    "you can't give 10, because it would be the perfect game..., and stuff...

    money was probably inlcuded in the reviwed copy. "

    I very much doubt that - it's much more likely the reviewer just rilly rilly liked Mario games, I don't think there's much here if you're not already a Mario fan so I don't think it deserved a 10 but the argument that you can't give anything a 10/10 because it's perfect is specious; if the highest you can give anything is 9/10 then 9/10 becomes your perfect score so the highest you can give anything is 8/10 and so on and so on. Do you see?

  • Corben_Dallas #131 4 years ago

    pff another Mario Game scores 10 ........*yawn*

    :|

  • GamesConnoisseur #132 4 years ago

    Dont rush out and buy it in a hurry if you are apathetic on all thing Mario and game with U rating 'cuteness', however be warned that you will be missing out on an instant classic that practically everyone will be talking about.

    Serious gamers cannot afford to ignore SMG and Wii, even if just for the one game, as it is a milestone that come once every decade. Good on Nintendo to show that Mario 64 was not just a fluke. Sure there is minor issues and question on having the staying power of Mario 64 which is to be confirmed in time to come.

    This is the main reason for my getting Wii months ago, this and MP3. There are few more AAA Wii games to come, but already I am feeling stated and completed!

  • Lemming81 #133 4 years ago

    It's not JUST this an Mp3. Has everyone forgotten Twilight Princess already? It was fucking sublime. One of the most beautiful games I've ever played.

  • bigbadbeasty #134 4 years ago

    "Good on Nintendo to show that Mario 64 was not just a fluke"

    Hehe- Oh come on.

    A fluke? Nintendo has been the only consistent developer that has actually released AAA games since the early 80's

  • Calgon #135 4 years ago

    /Runs in tears streaming down face ;_;

    Thats it EG Im leaving ya, you cant review for shit yo! This isnt a 10, you sellouts got paid *waaah*. Mario is a SHIT game thats overated by Nintendo fanboys. Wheres the innovation? knock 5 points off because apart from the setting its just another Platformer, you Nintendo fanboys will ruin gaming with shit games and that or something o_O, yeah so dont buy a Wii right? Wait for a reviewer with the balls to stick it to the man and give it the score it deserves, with the lack of innovation and poor graphics it cant be more than a errr 6 or something, I bought a Wii for this and now Im selling it Wii is doomed.

    /starts laughing and pointing at the usuals (smelly)
    WHO AM I WHO AM I?

    Sounds alright though speaking as a rational none petty/pathetic ****.

    /Flips bird and leaves
    Edited by 4 at 05/11/07 @ 11:32

  • Lemming81 #136 4 years ago

    @headbog:

    Firefox, adblock plus, fliterG update for adblock plus = no ads.

  • pyrat6 #137 4 years ago

    @Clagon

    Hats off to you mate. Being that drunk at this time of the day is pretty hardcore.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 11:32

  • Calgon #138 4 years ago

    *shrugs* Its true though thats exactly what they're like.

  • xandoodle #139 4 years ago

    I am really excited for this. Like it'll make me buy a Wii.

    But Mario64 was NOT an amazing game ffs. SA1 trickled on it from a massive height.

  • Monkey_Puncher #140 4 years ago

    Must admit this is one of very few games that I'd really like to play on Wii, the other being Smash Bros. If they ever release a Pilotwings games for it, it might just be enough to get to front up the cash.

  • morriss #141 4 years ago

    Margaret Who?

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #142 4 years ago

    But Mario64 was NOT an amazing game ffs

    You might not like it, but it's one of the key titles that has shaped modern gaming.

  • SeesThroughAll #143 4 years ago

    Not sure about that 10, but then again, I always loathed Mario :p

  • morriss #144 4 years ago

    Anyway, bollocks. I need to rebuy a Wii after Christmas. I wonder what the missus will have to say about that.

  • TriggerHippie #145 4 years ago

    "But Mario64 was NOT an amazing game ffs "

    Theres one of our statistical 1 in 6 right there. Don't stop taking the tablets!
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 11:46

  • Garulon #146 4 years ago

    "Anyway, bollocks. I need to rebuy a Wii after Christmas. I wonder what the missus will have to say about that. "

    Either "Why didn't you ebay the first one" or, if less technical "Oh, you've got one of those playstation things? Can you get pacman on it?"

  • Calgon #147 4 years ago

    / Sits back admiring the hypocrisy, you know you could remove Mario and put Halo in there(or any other of the big games on other consoles) and youd see what Im seeing here.

    Edit: Oh and I never noticed the related groups at the bottom of the page before.
    Edited by 4 at 05/11/07 @ 11:50

  • Nick261007 #148 4 years ago

    So every game gets 10/10 now, that really helps in deciding which ones to buy.

    Reviews are becoming less and less relevant. And don't tell me all those games lately like Halo 3, Bioshock, Mario Galaxy are all perfect 10's, just no.

    Can't wait for Assassin's creed, COD4, Mass effect, to also score 10/10. Whatever shall we do with all these perfect games.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 11:52

  • GingerNathan #149 4 years ago

    "/ Sits back admiring the hypocrisy, you know you could remove Mario and put Halo in there(or any other of the big games on other consoles) and youd see what Im seeing here."

    Are you trying to stir this thread into fanboy flame fest?, just be happy for once the comments section of a high profile game's review isn't full of trolling arse holes.

  • rhinoxious #150 4 years ago

    10 isn't perfect, it's just very good.

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #151 4 years ago

    Nick261007, don't be tit:

    [link url=http://ww w.eurogamer.net/scoring_policy.php
    ]http://ww w.eurogamer.net/scoring_policy....[/link]

    The perfect ten?
    A score of ten reflects a game that, within the reviewer's estimation, is something you must buy: this is the message we're trying to convey. On a basic level it's almost certainly the best quality game ever seen within the context of its genre, and that's why Eurogamer doesn't dish them out very often. A score of 10 usually applies to less than a trio of games in any given year.

    But all 10s are not born equal. For starters, you might consider that a ten in the RPG genre still isn't as appealing as an FPS that we scored an eight, or be mystified how we could score a football management game a nine when we only gave that survival-horror game you loved an eight. The best rule is to simply rate like with like, and use your own personal taste barometer to gauge whether the genre is of interest to you. Even so, if you're new to a particular genre then something scoring a ten is a very safe bet indeed. As a starting point, the message is you can't get a better game of this type.

    Let us make absolutely clear that a 10 is not and probably never will be "the perfect game". There's always something criticisable about a game, however small.

    A 10 will inspire the reviewer because it gets so many things correct. It will be something truly groundbreaking and aesthetically successful, be consistently enjoyable, get the balance right in difficulty terms, be technically very impressive, and be polished to a shine. It will leave the player in no doubt that they're playing something special right from the word go and will continue to inspire and amaze throughout. As we've said, this doesn't mean it's perfect, and we'll be sure to say where it goes wrong too, but maybe those niggles are just so minor that you can let it off. Look at anything under a microscope for long enough and you'll see the flaws. But would you kick a supermodel out of bed for farting?

  • xandoodle #152 4 years ago

    It shaped modern gaming yes, but OoT did more for modern gaming that Mario64. That just shaped -OMG THREEDEE- and relentless (and sometimes superior) clones came along.

    I just can't acknowledge that it was the 10/10 classic that the public seem to believe it was.

  • Nick261007 #153 4 years ago

    Ya see I've played Halo 3 and Bioshock and they're not 10/10, Halo 3 has a very average single player and multiplayer isn't really that fresh to be honest. And Bioshock only delivers a clever story line, the actual game is lacking in so many areas such as replay value, difficulty, average shooting action.

    10/10 means very little anymore, and I haven't played a game since Zelda OOT that has deserved 10/10

  • zuljin #154 4 years ago

    @Pac-man ate my wife
    "But would you kick a supermodel out of bed for farting?"

    Which one are we talking about here?

  • GingerNathan #155 4 years ago

    "So every game gets 10/10 now, that really helps in deciding which ones to buy."

    Does it really matter? A nine or a ten surely must be a must have titles for the majority of gamers. Personally out of the three 10/10's that have been given lately that I also own, only Orange Box deserved it IMO, does that mean that I thought Halo3 and Bioshock where anything less then exceptionally good games? No it doesn't.

  • Darren #156 4 years ago

    I remember playing Banjo-Kazooie on the N64 and thinking how much better it was than Super Mario 64 in terms of level design, things to do, characters, music and even the story. I felt that Banjo and co. had bags more personality than Mario himself. I never played SM64 to 100% completion (120 stars) but I did play B-K through to 100% completion twice. In my opinion, SM64 is a great game but B-K was the better, more memorable game with more coherent level design than Nintendo's odd mish-mash of unconnected worlds. That's just my opinion mind and I did enjoy SM64 a lot at the time; I just feel that Rare bettered it in every way except for perhaps the camera.

  • Calgon #157 4 years ago

    GingerNathan but that was my point, unless its only ok for Nintendo and Sony fanboys to do it?

    You mean I cant tell you its not perfect or a system seller? Damn lol, I think Ive made my point clear by now though so thats enough ;)

    A 10 to me is a game you should buy if you can, so even with the games EG rate a 10 you may not agree, but a) theres no way you can call any of them bad games b) there is a much higher chance of the majority of buyers enjoying them as a purchase over the majority of other games that scored lower on the shelves. c) there will be plenty of people who do agree with the review(the majority).
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 12:03

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #158 4 years ago

    @ Xandoodle and Darren

    Super Mario 64 laid the blueprint for much of 3D gaming. Of course better games came along, but Mario was there first and defined a generation. Both Zelda and BK came out 2 years or more after SM64.

  • haowan #159 4 years ago

    why is there even discussion about the score? have you all played it or something?

  • RumpyStumpy #160 4 years ago

    this still looks dull!

  • Calgon #161 4 years ago

    haowan when isnt there?

    On a serious note, if I were the reviewer I would delete the first 2 paragraphs, whether they actually beleive that kind of shite or not... thats something which can really damage EGs reputation/credibility.
    Edited by 3 at 05/11/07 @ 12:12

  • defdaz #162 4 years ago

    I am the only one who finds Nintendo games juvenile? I feel no attraction whatsoever to play games like this.

  • Darren #163 4 years ago

    @Pac-man ate my wife - Yes, I'm well aware of that but the way reviewers talk about SM64, you'd think that there hasn't been another great platformer since that game, which simply isn't true as IMO Banjo-Kazooie and even its inferior sequel are far better games. To me, it's like reviewing a modern FPS and measuring it against the original Doom or something, rather than something more recent, which would undoubtedly be better in terms of design and gameplay.

  • Nick261007 #164 4 years ago

    I enjoy games like Bioshock and Halol 3, and I will play Galaxy sometime next year when I get a Wii. I just find it hilarious that if a game is half way decent it gets 10/10 from so many websites.

    I guess when you play shit games for 10 years the arrival of a game that does its job properly is enough to make reviewers cream their pants. I remember when the majority of Nintendo games were as good or better than Mario Galaxy, it was called the SNES days, gaming went down the crapper after that and now we only get a really good game every ten years or so.

  • Calgon #165 4 years ago

    Darren rule no1... the rules are different for Nintendo, as much I like having them around they are let down by their hardcore fans which are some of the most stubborn, irrational and biased of them all(some are scarily obsessive and some are even working in the industry).
    Edited by 3 at 05/11/07 @ 12:21

  • Sebo #166 4 years ago

    Nintendo have not let down their hardcore fans. Things are the same now as they've always been

  • fkh #167 4 years ago

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL! GOAL! GOAL! GOAL! GOAL! GOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL!

  • BM #168 4 years ago

    @Nick261007

    If there's only one good game every 10 years, does that mean by your count there's been 3-4 good games released EVER?

  • Xerx3s #169 4 years ago

    A fluke? Nintendo has been the only consistent developer that has actually released AAA games since the early 80's

    Erm, okeeee....

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #170 4 years ago

    @ Darren

    True, but in regards to Mario games it makes sense to compare it to the genre-defining 3D original. When reviewing, say, Doom 4 I'd expect a reviewer to harken back to what made the original so great and whether this one captured the same feeling.

    But I see your point.

  • Razz #171 4 years ago

    FOOKING GET IN! >:o

    \o/ \o/ \o/

    /strokes pre order

  • Razz #172 4 years ago

    FOOKING GET IN! >:o

    \o/ \o/ \o/

    /strokes pre order

  • kobashi #173 4 years ago

    I have the Japanese version. fantastic game people!!

    me and friends been playing it all weekend. I got ghost squad today also, doubt it will be played though. :)

    Super Mario Galaxy is that good it is worth buying a Wii just for this game.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 12:24

  • Sebo #174 4 years ago

    Mario 64 was the biggest leap in gaming ever. We may never see anything like it again. The transition from 2D to 3D was done so well by Nintendo. For Galaxy to even come close to feeling as fresh as Mario 64 did back then would be tremendous. I wait with anticipation.

  • septimus #175 4 years ago

    That'll be nice for whoever buys my Wii this christmas.

  • Kay #176 4 years ago

    One of the few things I hated about Sunshine was the ridiculous and completely unnecessary Saturday morning cartoon-style cut-scenes - it's a shame that Galaxy also seems to suffers from this. :(

    Darren - I too also thought, at first, that BK was a better game than Mario 64. But the truth is they're different kinds of platformers. BK is more of an adventure game, with some great locations, lots of character interaction, collectibles etc. Mario 64, on the other hand, is just a pure platformer, which revels in a sublime control system where even aimlessly running around and jumping is a joy. BK didn't have this - indeed, from what I remember it takes a while for it to get going.

    They're both great games, but BK has dated whereas Mario 64 hasn't. The latter is still as brilliantly playable and enjoyable as it was 11 years ago, and if that's not the mark of a true classic then I don't know what is.

    K
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 12:25

  • ghearoid #177 4 years ago

    i've got this game on preorder but i can't remember who with so i'm not going to know who to shake my fist at when it doesn't turn up on release day!

    grrrr

  • VMerken #178 4 years ago

    I've been too old for Mario and lost interest in the little italian plumber since his appearance on the NES. A good thing too, since that meant I never got to hear his wildly annoying voice - until some documentary about it changed that. Kids will love this, though, and their creativity will be stimulated. A pity they'll have to endure "It's a-me, Mario!"

    Mario, just shut up and jump. Or, correctly reflect the fact that sound doesn't travel in space.

  • manic_mouse #179 4 years ago

    Looks utterly amazing, I wish I could justify buying a Wii to play it. The gravity in SMG looks INSANE! :)

  • Santino #180 4 years ago

    "I've been too old for Mario...."

    grow up ffs
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 12:58

  • joey #181 4 years ago

    Woot! and thank God!

  • Darren #182 4 years ago

    @Kay - I guess it's purely down to personal opinion because I'd argue that Banjo-Kazooie is less dated than Super Mario 64, mainly because it has more to do, packs in a daft but appealing story and even looks better visually. If Rare remade the game for the 360 then I'd buy it without a second thought but I'm not sure I'd do likewise for the original SM64 as it seems too simplistic these days and some of the level design is rather dull, something I sadly discovered when I downloaded the game for the Wii's Virtual Console. It's still good but IMO it's no longer great.

    SMG seems to be a natural evolution of what made SM64 great back in 1996 but adds enough new ideas to make it look interesting all over again. If it can capture the same excitement I experienced when I first played SM64 and even SMS then I'm going to love it. At least it's not a shooting, racing or sports game!!! LOL

  • mikew1985 #183 4 years ago

    Joyous, simply and purely joyous.

    Can not wait...

  • Nikanoru #184 4 years ago

    To anyone comparing the banjo games to SM64: sure, BK did a lot more with special moves and collection stuff and all that. But really, there is just no comparing the fluidity of the controls and "physics". In SM64 you controlled this character with momentum and quick response to your actions. In BK everything was just floaty and imprecise. That coupled with the framerate being a lot better in Mario, I really enjoy going back to the latter a lot more.


    I am the only one who finds Nintendo games juvenile? I feel no attraction whatsoever to play games like this.

    It's a symptom left over from puberty. You'll grow past it. ;)


    One of the few things I hated about Sunshine was the ridiculous and completely unnecessary Saturday morning cartoon-style cut-scenes


    What, you mean like, the one? At the start? Yeah there was one at the end too I think.

    Complete nonsense, like most of the criticisms leveled at that game. I don't know what the hell people found wrong with it other than vague complaints of "too much island theme" or some crap.






    (Shhhh, don't look now... but I've got a stalker. Let's see if he shows his face.)

  • Apologie #185 4 years ago

    I played these game in my friend house and i must say that altough i'm not into these MARIO thing, i was pleased and entertained all the time, decent graphics, good gameplay, and lots of fun..., i'm just wondering what will be the score EUROGAMER will give to Ratchet & Clank TOD.... i guess that after these, it must be a 15/10 or 18/10. LOL

    hummmm
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 13:14

  • ChrisS #186 4 years ago

    "i'm just wondering what will be the score EUROGAMER will give to Ratchet & Clank TOD.... i guess that after these, it must be a 15/10 or 18/10. hummmm"

    How so? Galaxy's a much, much better game than Tools of Destruction. Not that the latter's bad (or that it's strictly the same genre), but still...

  • Tonka #187 4 years ago

    FOOKING GET IN! >:o

    \o/ \o/ \o/

    /strokes pre order

  • Tonka #188 4 years ago

    FOOKING GET IN! >:o

    \o/ \o/ \o/

    /strokes pre order

  • miiiguel #189 4 years ago

    Garulon: I agree, and I really don't believe the bullshit I said. It was meant to be a revisit on some of the precious coments on Halo 3 "perfect" score.

  • Lawlost #190 4 years ago

    Damm might have to buy a new one after my 2 year old daughter pushed a hairclip into my wii.

  • Darren #191 4 years ago

    ChrisS - "Galaxy's a much, much better game than Tools of Destruction. Not that the latter's bad (or that it's strictly the same genre), but still..."

    That's a very subjective statement.

    Personally, I'm looking forward to playing Ratchet and Clank Future this Thursday/Friday every bit as much as SMG next week, mainly because I loved the demo and I've never played a R&C game before beyond the PS2 demos. Having watched 40 minutes of footage from the game on Gamersyde, this looks every bit as entertaining as SMG, only with more humourous cutscenes and characters with personality. Really it's unfair to compare them as they're totally different styles of games with SMG being more of a platformer and R&CF being more of a shooter.

  • Darren #192 4 years ago

    @Egster - Why? Surely if EG are giving out a lot of 10/10s it just means they're all high-quality games, that's all. Would you rather they downmarked games just so that there's never more than five top-scoring games or whatever across all platforms each year? ;) LOL

  • Darren #193 4 years ago

    P.S. I suspect that Ratchet and Clank Future will get a 7 or an 8 from EG but no more than that because it lacks innovation and is just more of the same, which suits me fine as I've not really played a Ratchet & Clank game before.

  • macmurphy #194 4 years ago

    So happy. Whilst my Wii is standard fare if anyone comes round (Wii sports) it's received very little one player love since Zelda - Excitetruck was the only real highlight (no idea why, just clicked as I often only have a short time to spend with games - can very much recommend it to people who want quick thrills and can get it cheap). Wii made my Christmas last year and it looks like it's making an Ali-like return to the ring. So excited about this and Umberella Chronicles, Crossbow training, Smash Bros (sucks to wait though), Zack and Wiki. Looks like Halo 3 might finally get pushed to one side. Also curious about what's going on in games at the moment, it seems like it's triple-A after triple-A (also quietly tempted by COD4, Orange Box, Ace Combat, Sega Rally). Also it's really nice to see some games not just aimed at the casual market/shitty conversions. They need to square a headset and their online strategy, but it looks like one year in Nintendo and other publishers are finally getting it right. And without getting trolly, I can't see anything but future success for the little white box. They really have carved out a separate niche for themselves, and whilst many can't afford two consoles there's an awful lot that will embrace the two console strategy - the installed user base on Wii just can't be ignored. I'll leave the fanboys to argue over PS3vs360, but it's really nice to see the little white box on the up. Excited.

  • ChrisS #195 4 years ago

    I'd rather EG give out tens when it's deserved rather than not giving a ten just because other recent games have received that score.

  • kangarootoo #196 4 years ago

    I have nothing in particular to say about the game. I'm just well pleased that it turned out well, and no doubt will play it at some point.


    Thoughts on this thread.

    1. Its a pretty good one oeverall. I was expecting it to be a total mire of bile, but somehow it actually makes for pretty happy reading (until fighman turns up, unless by the grace of god he has finally hung himself from the swings).

    2. Maybe I am just cynical, but everytime someone writes something like "my girlfriend will love this", I am sure it is just a vehicle for letting everyone know they HAVE a girlfriend ;)


    .....ok, I'm going to have something more about this game. First off, Mario is not a character he is an icon. A character requires..... well, character. Mario is a symbol as much as anything else. Anyway, pedantic bit out of the way.

    I've never been a particular fan of the Mario icon, but its usually been the case that Mario games are very well produced and I've had plenty of fun playing them. I was always banking on this title being the main killer app the Wii needed (its not alone, but its the top system seller no doubt) and it looks like it has not disappointed.

    I don't own a Wii, but I know quite a few people that do, and so I'm bound to play this one day. I like good games, the more the better, so good news for everyone (even smelly).

    Edit: my typo quota is off the chart today.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 13:49

  • Darren #197 4 years ago

    I'm sure EG review games without being aware of what others have given them, especially as in this case they've reviewed SMG before anyone else (as far as I'm aware). EG don't always rate games the same as everyone else anyway - have you forgotten their 7/10 Resi Evil 4 Wii review already?

  • kangarootoo #198 4 years ago

    @ChrisS

    "I'd rather EG give out tens when it's deserved rather than not giving a ten just because other recent games have received that score."

    YAAAWWWNN

  • kangarootoo #199 4 years ago

    @ChrisS

    So you've played right through this game then?

  • ChrisS #200 4 years ago

    @kangarootoo "YAAAWWWNN"

    Huh?

    And yes, I have. I've played both.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 13:50

  • kangarootoo #201 4 years ago

    @ChrisS

    Ok, let me clarify my initial grumpy statement.

    What generated the yawn is the same statement I have read a hundred times before, suggesting that the subjective score given may not be approrpriate for all gamers in all cases. Well no shit, thats what you get with subjective scores. Subjectivity.

    Compounding the problem is your suggestion that EG staff are so unprofessional as to give a crap about the things fanboys find so important. Honestly, do you really think they care about going with the flow (if they did, they wouldn't have given 8/10 to the broken mess that was Dark Corners of the Earth ;) ).

    If the reviewer thought it was a 10/10 after playing it, based on what a 10 means here (insert link to EGs review policy here, using your own mouse) then that is the score it will be given. If its not a 10 for you, fine and dandy, but keep the accusations in your pocket and just realise not everyone will agree.

  • ZeroAX #202 4 years ago

    "It's not really a proper EG review, it's some woman from Edge who believes FFVII to have been a good for nothing game that annoys her. So really (no offence) but I don't really value what she says in regards to video games."


    ff is over rated and once you get out of your teens you'll feel ashamed for thinking those games had a great story line

  • L0cky #203 4 years ago

    I think you completely misunderstood his statement kangarootoo :p

    'In BK everything was just floaty and imprecise.'

    Funny, I always thought SM64 was float and imprecise, and BK was perfect.

  • ChrisS #204 4 years ago

    @kangarootoo

    I've no idea what you're on about - there's no accusations or suggestions in my post. Certainly not that EG are unprofessional. I'm astonished you got that from my post. EG gave the game 10 and I'm really glad they did. I was basically countering the stance that giving lots of 10s didn't mean anything.

  • kangarootoo #205 4 years ago

    @ChrisS

    "I'd rather EG give out tens when it's deserved rather than not giving a ten just because other recent games have received that score."

    How is that not an implication that EG gave a 10 for any reason other than a sound belief that the score was deserved?

    Are you simply accusing them of being involved coincidence?

  • Garulon #206 4 years ago

    "Halo3 was a 9, bioshock was probably a 9.6 which means a 10 on eurogamer, but I am so confident mario is a 10, mario 64 was a 10 (or 11) and if htis is the true sequel to mario 64 "

    No, Halo 3 and Bioshock are 10s, and mario is a 9. Oh wait, that's just my personal opinion!

  • ChrisS #207 4 years ago

    @kangarootoo

    Are you some kind of conspiracy theorist? I'm saying I'm glad they give 10s rather than not doing so. By adding the 'rather' it's not suggesting that they have done.

    And it'd be a stupid thing to say anyway, given how many 10s they have awarded recently. You're reading something that isn't there.

  • Charroux #208 4 years ago

    @kangerootoo

    You're misreading what ChrisS is saying.

    He was replying to someone who said that there were too many 10s handed out at the moment. ChrisS was saying that it should get a ten if it deserves a ten - regardless of what the other games scored.

  • NOSAVIOUR #209 4 years ago

    Well written review. Why is next week so far away...

  • GingerNathan #210 4 years ago

    "especially as in this case they've reviewed SMG before anyone else (as far as I'm aware). "
    not quite:
    Famitsu mag 10/9/10/9, so 38/40
    GamesTM 9/10
    1up 9.5/10
    Deeko 10/10
    Gamepro 10/10

  • AcidSnake #211 4 years ago

    @kanga:
    You're confusing me as well...
    Maybe you misread it and skipped the not word?

    Also IMO SM64 kicked BK's ass...Though I thoroughly enjoyed them both...

  • Tonka #212 4 years ago

    No. Percentage scores are ten times more ridiculus than scores out of ten that are twices as funny as scores out of 5.

    Zero Punctuation is the only one who knows how to do a review

  • Zelos #213 4 years ago

    People are seriously arguing over the score out of 10 given to a game? Scary.

    The quality of a game (and anything else in entertainment) is subjective. There's no way you can possibly assign percentage scores to something so subjective.

    Even a score out of 10 is probably taking it too far - personally I'd rather see something like film reviews' 5-star system.

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #214 4 years ago

    Fuck it.

    Eurogamer should bring in 3-point system.

    Fucking Ace, Alright I Suppose and Shit On A Stick.

  • GingerNathan #215 4 years ago

    Scores should be out of five

    1/5 Utter crap, avoid.
    2/5 It has some redeeming qualities, but generally a below average effort.
    3/5 Average, doesn't do anything special, would appeal to fans of content or genre.
    4/5 Great game, highly recommended.
    5/5 Exceptional game, go out and buy it.

    As far as scoring goes that's ^ all we need to know whether we should buy a game (obviously the review itself covers the particulars). Who gives a shite what the difference between 9.4 and a 9.6 is.

  • MrFlintBlackman #216 4 years ago

    This game pisses me off, why? because it shows developers that you can still make a GOOD 3D platformer!

    To hell will endless FPS's give me bright colours and non-gritty fun, yes I said FUN platformers!

    For those who say "I'll buy it for me girlfriend" or "my kid has a wii" it's almost sounds like you need an excuse to buy this damn wonderful game, why is that!?

  • Darren #217 4 years ago

    @GingerNathan - Well OK so EG aren't the first then but I'm sure they were reviewing the game objectively and weren't influenced in the slightest by the other scores. Why would they be?

    As for your 1-5 scoring system, I agree with it although I'd suggest replacing the numbers with the word equivalents you listed as no-one really thinks of the quality of a game in terms of figures (do they?), only whether it's good, average or bad. Still even with that or a 1-5 rating system you'd still get people arguing a game should be a good 4 and not an excellent 5 so you can't win! LOL

    Personally I'd love to see EG do something no-one has yet done and drop ratings completely, forcing people to make their own minds about the game from the words of the review, as they should be doing.

  • rhinoxious #218 4 years ago

    "No. Percentage scores are ten times more ridiculus than scores out of ten that are twices as funny as scores out of 5."

    Well put, five is enough marks to get across the point, anything else is simply superfluous and imprecise.

    If you care enough about how good a game is to worry over the differences between a 9 and a 10, then you should probably READ THE REVIEW, and then quote from it if you want to argue a point, not just talk about a number stuck on the end.

  • Zelos #219 4 years ago

    @Darren

    GamersWithJobs don't have ratings on their reviews. Arstechnica have reduced their scoring system for most games to Buy/Rent/Skip, which works pretty well.

  • Sebo #220 4 years ago

    IS this likely to be the best game ever?

  • Whitewalker #221 4 years ago

    Very good review...this is one that's going under the Xmas tree. Bravo Mario!

  • DrDamn #222 4 years ago

    @MrFlintBlackman
    "To hell will endless FPS's give me bright colours and non-gritty fun, yes I said FUN platformers!

    For those who say "I'll buy it for me girlfriend" or "my kid has a wii" it's almost sounds like you need an excuse to buy this damn wonderful game, why is that!?"

    Given you just sent FPS's to hell because you want bright colours and non-gritty fun is it so much of a leap to think there could be people who think the other way round?

    I'll buy and enjoy this despite Mario and the overall style of the game. It's not to my taste at all but am willing to over look it for the gameplay as that tends to tickle my tastebuds and is usually the finest example of it's type to be found. It isn't tricky to see that there are people for whom the theme or gameplay would be such an issue that they wouldn't enjoy it though. They would have more fun and enjoyment in other games. The attitude that this is somehow wrong is ridiculous.

  • thepiedpiper #223 4 years ago

    Mario needs to die

  • mkreku #224 4 years ago

    But.. is this really a 10..?

  • Sebo #225 4 years ago

    It's an 11

  • Kryon #226 4 years ago

    @ZeroAX

    ff is over rated and once you get out of your teens you'll feel ashamed for thinking those games had a great story line

    Hmm, I'd guess I'm actually older than you son but either way your statement is wrong in so many ways. Anyway, who said anything about storyline? I do hope you're not implying that Mario does have a good storyline? I'd just like to add that often people who call games like FF7 "overrated" are often mentally spasticated ;-)

  • Daymare #227 4 years ago

    Galaxy, Zack & Wiki, Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime 3. I'd say these four titles alone make Wii a justified purchase for any "serious" gamer.

  • kangarootoo #228 4 years ago

    @ChrisS

    Ok, I've read the posts.

    Hands up, I've been skim reading and going all mental. Sorry about that :)

    Man, I always get into trouble when I don't have much time spare and end up just shooting from the hip.

  • Sebo #229 4 years ago

    @kryon

    The random battles in FF7 not getting a bit annoying for you?

    I gave up on this one. It was ok, would have been ten times better without those battles.

  • GamesConnoisseur #230 4 years ago

    GameRanking or Metacritic use similar formula to reach the average score from various sources.

    I tend to ignore average personal ratings, as there are too many occasions of fanboys from different console giving it zero score in attempt to pull the game down and other in response trying to make up for it by giving too many perfect score than its deserve (not in relation to SMG!).

    Anyway regarding comment of Zelda on Wii, yes it is a reasonable use of remote and bonus of widescreen but for me its remain essentially a Gamecube swansong title that got ported to Wii. Indeed it gave rise to accusations that Wii is just a Gamecube with different controller but with SMG and MP3, Wii now stands on it own.

    Regarding 10, just search previous posts and indeed EG's position of their scoring system (inc what makes a 10). Adding any more is pointless, as will be just cycle of same arguments. NO score system is mathematically perfect, just read the review!

  • ZeroAX #231 4 years ago

    @Kryon

    "Hmm, I'd guess I'm actually older than you son but either way your statement is wrong in so many ways. Anyway, who said anything about storyline? I do hope you're not implying that Mario does have a good storyline? I'd just like to add that often people who call games like FF7 "overrated" are often mentally spasticated ;-)"


    um i was talking about ff7's storyline that everybody called a great work of "art" and a story with philosophic meanings. well anyone (and i've seen a lot on the web) who has said that has NEVER read a single book outside the ones at school and has NEVER read a real piece of philosophy (look at ancient greek ones. they were written over 2000 years ago and they are still true to this day)
    that's why i said it's over rated. ff7 was fun cause of it's cool rpg console battles imo. but it's been over rated by teenagers (and older people) who are brainless to understand what a true GOOD story is. they'd probably give harry potter a nobel prize for literature

  • Kryon #232 4 years ago

    @Sebo

    No, I really enjoyed the battles in FF7 and FFX (infact in all of them) I felt they ruined it all with XII as that's the only one I totally lost interest in and did not bother to complete.

  • Tonka #233 4 years ago

    LESS THAN 2 WEEKS

  • rudedudejude #234 4 years ago

    Bargain!!! £8.99!

    [link url=http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/351 3309/Super-Mario-Galaxy/Product.html
    ]http://ww w.play.com/Books/Books/4-/35133...[/link]

    lol

  • Kryon #235 4 years ago

    "ZeroAX

    "ff7 was fun cause of it's cool rpg console battles imo. but it's been over rated by teenagers (and older people) who are brainless to understand what a true GOOD story is"

    Yeah, OK, so you don't like the story.... I don't really get why you replied to my post to tell me that? It's not meant to be Greek philosophy mate, it's a fantasy game aimed at teens, maybe that's why they like it... The Lion King is hardly the deepest story ever told either, doesn't stop it being good family entertainment imo.

  • Sebo #236 4 years ago

    @kryon

    FFX, now come on that underwater sports game just ruined that entire game, ha ha.

  • haowan #237 4 years ago

    Replying to Kryon is an automatic lose I'm afraid. Prepare for your accounts to be terminated...

  • zErOb_cOOl #238 4 years ago

    I've been telling my mates for months that this looks awesome, because it resembles a lot of aspects of Mario 64, and it looks original and 'free' enough to be a highly original and amazing in it's own right, pretty much what the review said, so was kinda expecting the 10/10.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 16:22

  • Kryon #239 4 years ago

    @Sebo

    No because you didn't have to take part in it if you didn't want to. The one tournament you were forced to play lasted a few minutes and it didn't matter if you won or not. So while I agree that 'Blitz Ball' was lame it in no way "ruined" the game.

  • VMerken #240 4 years ago

    @santino, sixty posts ago
    Haha. Oh, I have already, a pity that your juvenile little remark tells everyone who really needs the growing up.

    Maybe one day it might dawn on you that people have different opinions about a game. Enjoy your copy of Super Mario Galaxy, you'll probably have fun with it, but don't expect everyone else to consider this a must-have.

    Peace.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 16:26

  • Kryon #241 4 years ago

    @haowan

    STFU you little poof.

    Sorry but you don't deserve a more considered answer than the one above.

  • Sebo #242 4 years ago

    @kryon

    Ruined it for me, didn't realise you could skip it. Wasn't particularly enjoying the game that much anyways.

  • Kryon #243 4 years ago

    "I notice Kryon still sucks"

    Yes, well I find your mummy's nipples are a cheaper milk supply than Tesco, what is one to do eh, frod?

  • aldo_14 #244 4 years ago


    Galaxy, Zack & Wiki, Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime 3. I'd say these four titles alone make Wii a justified purchase for any "serious" gamer.

    Don't they have too many shades of primary colour (or too little shades of brown/grey) for the "serious" gamer?

  • Apologie #245 4 years ago

    @Kryon

    Yes, well I find your mummy's nipples are a cheaper milk supply than Tesco, what is one to do eh, frod?

    ------------------------------------------------------------

    You'r so immature... and pretty ignorant to.

  • kangarootoo #246 4 years ago

    @Kryon

    http://ww w.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/30...

  • kangarootoo #247 4 years ago

    hehe

  • SmileyDudette #248 4 years ago

    So, better than Halo then?

  • Kryon #249 4 years ago

    @Apologie

    Everybody knows you have the mental capacity of a crippled weasel so please refrain from addressing me in the future.

    @Kanga

    Why is that baby crying? What have you done to it? The RSPCC will get you sooner or later y-know ;-)

  • rascoj64 #250 4 years ago

    This looks ace, sold on the name alone! But talking of wii killer apps where's Pilot Wings?
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 17:18

  • Nikanoru #251 4 years ago

    No, I really enjoyed the battles in FF7 and FFX (infact in all of them) I felt they ruined it all with XII as that's the only one I totally lost interest in and did not bother to complete.


    Hey! You're not allowed to agree with me on things. :'(

  • ZeroAX #252 4 years ago

    i doupt you are older than me Kryon like you said cause that would be very very sad for you

  • ChrisS #253 4 years ago

    @ rascoj64 - I'm certain Nintendo is working on it, for release late next year. That toy plane flying demo will be expanded into a full-blown Wii Pilotwings.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #254 4 years ago

    I haven't read the previous pages and I haven't posted in this comments section yet - and I haven't read Kryons posts as well but I'm not the least surprised that people don't find his posts all that valuable to read.

    Anyway, really looking forward to the title - I had fun with Sunshine but wasn't as massively impressed as I hoped I would be so I was hoping for something for a sequel that's more Mario 64 like. And even if it's not - if it manages to feel fresh, like the review mentioned, than I couldn't care less if I can compare it with Mario 64 or not. I haven't played anything in the last couple of years where I really thought: "Wow, that's something I haven't seen before in any other game".

  • rudedudejude #255 4 years ago

    mini ron jeremy in new game shocker

  • DudBug #256 4 years ago

    I will get this but I am a little nervous. My recent experience of SM64 (via VC) is of fun punctuated by too much fiddling with the camera. It may be that SM64 camera control is as good as it gets for a 3D platformer, although my lack of familiarity with the genre means that I have few meaningful comparisons. My ideal 3D platformer would let you get on and spend more time platforming and exploring. Perhaps this isn't possible, but I would be interested to find out if anyone thinks there is a 3D platformer with better camera control than SM64.

  • GamesConnoisseur #257 4 years ago

    What comments from Kyron? Nothing on my screen!
    I never used ignore button despite occasion threats in the past, I think EG is doing its work for me!

    Ahhh, bliss!

    Yeah, really wanted Wii version of Pilotwings! Nintendo please put it on VC before Christmas, as my family can get round for a blast to the past!

  • JYM60 #258 4 years ago

    Blitzball is fucking great.

    That is all.

  • Calgon #259 4 years ago

    Der_tolle_Emil said: I haven't played anything in the last couple of years where I really thought: "Wow, that's something I haven't seen before in any other game"

    Then prepare for a little disappoint on that mark then, because it isnt innovative, its a platformer, a good one but you know? nothing totally suprising. Of course you and the usual Nintendo fanatics will disagree but I care not, I see the hypocrisy that Ive spoke of all along quite clearly. I dont care too much about it though, I play my games for enjoyment not to turn gaming discussions into politics type discussions like some(some of you talk utter shit it has to be said).

    Its a good game, enjoy it but dont get carried away with the "Nintendo have been our gods since the beginning, nothing has ever come close and ever will", because you'll find thats much further than most Sony or Xbox fanboys take their fantasies/enthusiams during their exciting periods of the gaming calander.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 19:04

  • Tonka #260 4 years ago

    Dont be silly. Nintendo is God and Mario is also God.\Everyonewho has reached full gaming amturity knows this.

  • Der_tolle_Emil #261 4 years ago

    Then prepare for a little disappoint on that mark then, because it isnt innovative, its a platformer, a good one but you know? nothing totally suprising.

    I think running around tiny little spheres will be refreshing enough. Haven't played a game similar to that I think but I really can't say without having played Galaxy.

    And even if you don't like it, I also believe that Nintendo is god and that Nintendo games are simply beyond anything the competition has ever done. It's not just pure fanboyism though, it's 20 years of personal experience with video (and PC) games. But I don't want to argue because I couldn't care less what others think as long as I get to enjoy the game.

    @DudBug: The camera in 3d games has come a very long way since Mario 64. The game is fantastic but the camera isn't anywhere near what you are used to from today's games. On top of that the N64 controller was simply better suited for the game opposed to the classic controller (great as he might be). Reaching the C-buttons is just easier than reaching for that second analogue stick (same goes for the cube pad of course). I'm not surprised you are having issues with it - I played Ocarina of Time last year and I couldn't believe how often the camera would get stuck somewhere in narrow passages etc. It was great at the time (same for Mario 64) but it has improved a lot in the recent years and it clearly feels clunky.

    Edit:

    Perhaps this isn't possible, but I would be interested to find out if anyone thinks there is a 3D platformer with better camera control than SM64.

    Not on the VC but have a look at Banjo Kazooie. It's unlikely it will ever appear on VC but the game is great and has surpassed Mario 64 in a lot of ways. It's also from the time when Rare ware absolutely top developers.
    Edited by 1 at 05/11/07 @ 19:26

  • chischis #262 4 years ago

    If Margaret considers the anime-cliche-ridden angst drama that was FFVII "to have been a good for nothing game that annoys her", then her score for SMG is that much more believeable.

    (It was downhill all the way after FFV IMHO, not that anyone gives a shite, but I know I'm right.)

    Now, I might just have to borrow a Wii.

  • malteaserhead #263 4 years ago

    Calgon
    05-Nov-07 19:01:20

    Der_tolle_Emil said: I haven't played anything in the last couple of years where I really thought: "Wow, that's something I haven't seen before in any other game"

    Then prepare for a little disappoint on that mark then, because it isnt innovative, its a platformer, a good one but you know? nothing totally suprising.

    _______________________________________

    Calgon, are you calling Margaret a liar?
    Are you?

    "It's simply an explosion of inventiveness - a total rejection of the cookie-cutter...
    the visual inventiveness is matched with mission design ingenuity... even the boss battles, of which there are many, are a joy - funny, spectacular, fair and unpredictable".

    or maybe just being a wanker?
    maybe a little one?
    just a wee pocket one when no-one is looking?

  • CaptainScarlet #264 4 years ago

    Jesus!

    Very few people commenting here seem to know their arse from their elbows except maybe when they appear to be talking out of their arse.

    Call yourself gamers?

    Lets just end with if you like the sound of SMG buy it, if you don't like the sound of SMG don't buy it.

    I'm just glad that there has been a diverse amount of high scoring games across the consoles recently. It gives me hope that I wont have to put up with mediocrity anymore. Death to shit games bring on diversity and quality across all game platforms!!



  • lemonfist #265 4 years ago

    Note to self: buy a Wii.

  • Calgon #266 4 years ago

    malteaserhead are you being an insecure little fanboy wanker? Ive already said from the first two paragraphs the credibility takes a massive knock... its too OTT not to be fangirlish.

    Thats besides the point though because even the reviewer agrees with me if you read the first page properly, its called logic, we've seen the previews, mario 64 had all those things she mentioned apparently, it fucking hilarious I havent even said I dont like the game, as a matter of fact I happen to think it sounds good... but imagine if they(you know who if you read the same article and review comments as I) got half as bad as they give huh?

    So if you've done all this before, and Mario's done all this before, why should you care?

    Carry on being selective ignoring the main beef about hypocrisy I have with Nintendo fanboys... this isnt innovative, its a traditional platformer with some new level designs. After the utter bollocks theyve talked up from the start of this gen its about time someone pointed out all of this and stop trolling shit you have no real interests(other than picking at pathetically trying to pretend theres some good reasons other than devotion for Nintendo/Sony/MS behind it) in so people can discuss it properly.
    Edited by 4 at 05/11/07 @ 21:01

  • Kryon #267 4 years ago

    @Nikanoru

    Hey! You're not allowed to agree with me on things. :'(

    I didn't agree with you. You agreed with me ;-)

    @ZeroAX

    i doupt you are older than me Kryon like you said cause that would be very very sad for you

    I doubt you know how to spell the word doubt and I also have no doubt that you are undoubtedly grammatically inept.

  • Carlo #268 4 years ago

    look, Halol got 1000 more comments than what we have so far....


    got to work harder people!

  • Kryon #269 4 years ago

    Halol will always get more comments than Mehrio Galaxy because Mehrio is for women and children ...and obviously gay boys like smelly aswell ;-)

  • Calgon #270 4 years ago

    Im not just saying this but if I were into platformers I would probably be all over this, since Im not its not a system seller but one to try if there is a game to sell the console to me(even that tells you its one of those games I'd make an exception for). SSMB could be one but thats not innovative, Im only going to buy the console when I see these innovative AAA titles talked about so often when critisising other consoles but never seen elsewhere either(as a punishment to Nintendo for unleashing their fanboys on the gaming community with such arguements in tow).

    "Ban the Troll!"(worst part of EG and its contageous, goes around in circles... "we must stop the trolling, or lose the war!";) is all Im trying to say, play what you like, enjoy it and let others do the same eh?

    Anyway cheer up damn it, theres a AAA Wii game on the way. :-)
    Edited by 5 at 05/11/07 @ 21:31

  • Azazel #271 4 years ago

    mini ron jeremy in new game shocker

    :D

  • foamy #272 4 years ago

    So.. What about CoD4 review? I need to know if I'm gonna pre-order it or no :|

  • murphy245 #273 4 years ago

    GO MARIO GO!!!!

  • Der_tolle_Emil #274 4 years ago

    I'm not so sure anymore Calgon knows what the meaning of innovative actually is.

  • Zaltan #275 4 years ago

    This settles it for me. I'll get a Wii. This and NiGHTS FTW.

  • Kryon #276 4 years ago

    'Innovative' is a buzz word used by Nintendo to sell GameCubes with silly controllers to silly people for £179. The Wii isn't innovative at all, it merely slightly expands on old tried and tested ideas.

  • Azazel #277 4 years ago

    Having finally played the contents of the Orange Cuboid Storage Container to death I think this now takes precedence at the top of my 'want' list.

  • captain-future #278 4 years ago

    /checks Super Mario Sunshine (GC) review score...

    HA!

  • ChrisS #279 4 years ago

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    My take. Not that anyone's necessarily interested, but if you've got five minutes to kill...

  • akellard #280 4 years ago

    One of the best reviews I've read on Eurogamer. Give Margaret Robertson more work!

    (Nice review, too, ChrisS)

  • Sid-Nice #281 4 years ago

    With Mario Galaxy, Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games, Metroid Prime Corruption and Nights, the Wii is becoming the console of choice for us gay gamers. All I need now is The Village People (greatest hits) and my life will be full.

  • ChrisS #282 4 years ago

    "One of the best reviews I've read on Eurogamer. Give Margaret Robertson more work!

    (Nice review, too, ChrisS)"

    Cheers. I agree with the sentiment about the EG review too - it's a great review, though I've always liked Margaret's work. She wrote a brilliant review of Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles for NGC a while ago, and a great one of Wild World for the same mag, too.

  • defdaz #283 4 years ago

    /shakes head

    I just don't get why anyone over seven years old would want to play games like this. Can anyone seriously say that Mario is a good character whilst keeping a straight face?

    /confused

  • UncleLou #284 4 years ago

    If that's your yardstick, you can play ... um, Planescape: Torment, Thief .. and ... well, not much.

    I think Mario is pretty terrible, but so are many game characters. It helps that Mario games really aren't about the character and story at all, but purely about the gameplay mechanics. A shit character in an RPG or generally story-driven game is a much bigger problem.
    Edited by 1 at 06/11/07 @ 00:28

  • dk_rare #285 4 years ago

    Hahaha, Ratchet and Clank doesn't look so good now Sony boys!!!!!!!!

  • ChrisS #286 4 years ago

    @defdaz - most gamers are mature enough to see that just because a game is brightly-coloured, it's not just aimed at 7-year-olds.

    And it's not necessarily that he's a good character - he IS iconic, though - but that his games are excellent. In this case, utterly wondrous.

  • orakio #287 4 years ago

    too bad I don't like platformers. My wii will be quiet for a few more months...

  • Der_tolle_Emil #288 4 years ago

    Orakio, just out of interest: What game are you waiting for?

  • UncleLou #289 4 years ago

    I am in a similar position. I'll get SMG sooner or later, but it's not a game I am dying to get my hands on.

    I for one am waiting for Zack & Wiki which got delayed BECAUSE OF BLOODY MARIO. ;)

  • orakio #290 4 years ago

    @ Emil

    No idea actually. I liked the Wii sports group fun happening, since it was something 'different'. Before the Wii was out I was hoping it would be the new console to have for upcoming jRPG's, but that has yet to be seen. I imagine Wii Fit will be the next worldwide hype next year. As for the rest, I'm starting to ponder if I made the right choice to buy it :-/

  • BM #291 4 years ago

    I'm 30, and am really looking forward to games like CoD4 for my 360.

    But Mario, I can't fecking wait! It's what I grew up on, and I still play Mario 64 on the DS now. To those who have grown up too much to dismiss this, your loss. I'll be sat giggling on my sofa, playing and enjoying a Mario game like I did when I was 10.

  • lambtron #292 4 years ago

    /shakes head

    I just don't get why anyone over seven years old would want to play games like this. Can anyone seriously say that Mario is a good character whilst keeping a straight face?

    /confused

    Are there really people who only play games if the character is interesting?

  • Nick261007 #293 4 years ago

    It is kinda odd how a grown man will play something like this and Ratchet, yet will not watch teletubbies or Scooby Doo

    It's all basically the same thing, childrens entertainment.

  • Kryon #294 4 years ago

    @Nick

    Nintendo fanboys do watch Teletubies and Scooby Doo, FACT!

  • pyrat6 #295 4 years ago

    "It is kinda odd how a grown man will play something like this and Ratchet, yet will not watch teletubbies or Scooby Doo

    It's all basically the same thing, childrens entertainment."

    In that case I'd suggest you have issues with your own maturity. I get a great deal of pleasure from watching Miyazake films - 'Spirited Away' will always make me smile. Pixar films too, to a lesser extent. But on other occasions I'd watch 'Old Boy' or 'Come and See'.

    Why anyone would restrict their entertainment based on some spurious idea of what is , or isn't adult entertainment is quite strange and quite immature.

  • BM #296 4 years ago

    @Nick261007

    I keep begging my girlfriends 5 year old daughter to change the channel from Scooby Doo to In The Night Garden, but apparently it's too baby-ish for her :(

    I like In The Night Garden...

  • Kryon #297 4 years ago

    @Nick

    Lol, see, I told you! XD

  • UncleLou #298 4 years ago

    It is kinda odd how a grown man will play something like this and Ratchet, yet will not watch teletubbies or Scooby Doo

    It's all basically the same thing, childrens entertainment.


    Nah. A cartoony platformer isn't necessarily children's entertainment. The fun here is in the controls, level design, challenge, etc. In the end, it doesn't really matter if it's Mario, a space marine, or an abstract shape you're controlling. A cartoony TV show delivers a completely different experience. I won't watch Scooby Doo because it bores me in the same way that I wouldn't watch any crap action TV show although I enjoy playing first-person shooters.

    You're getting confused because you're only looking at the cartoony surface which might be similar.

  • gelf #299 4 years ago

    "To those who have grown up too much to dismiss this, your loss."

    I'd replace that with not grown up enough.

    This current thing to label anything which doesn't have gritty realistic graphics as "just for kids" is really irritating and imature.


    *imagines what would happen if Nintendo tried to appeal to these people...shudder*

  • BiscuitBase #300 4 years ago

    SOLD

  • Kryon #301 4 years ago

    "I'd replace that with not grown up enough. "

    OMFG! You people crack me up!

    /Puts on Loyd Grossman accent -

    "Yah, one is indupitably far too immature to enjoy the likes of Mario, *scoff*"

    Jesus, get off your high horses FFS! Mario is a kids game that some adults enjoy!

  • Der_tolle_Emil #302 4 years ago

    I like Spongebob :/

  • GingerNathan #303 4 years ago

    "Jesus, get off your high horses FFS! Mario is a kids game that some adults enjoy"

    Personally I don't give too shits if someone likes it or not, but it's definitely not a kid's game. For a game to be a kids game it has to be developed with them in mind (like you average Sponge bob game), it's not, it's developed with every age group in mind and thus has universal appeal. The idea that everything that looks cute and cartoonly being for kids, is highly ignorant. Next you'll be telling me The Simpson's or Futurama are kids programs, rather then entertainment written for broad universal appeal.

  • ZeroAX #304 4 years ago

    Kryon i'm sorry for not being british so i don't know your language so well. you though should be sorry for being a moron (did i spell that correctly or is it spelled like this: Kyron ?). try learning a second language instead of posting stupid comments.

  • gelf #305 4 years ago

    *Agrees with GingerNathan*

    If the mario gameplay style is not to your taste then thats fine but to dismiss something as kids only because of the graphics is short sighted. Heck I've even seen some people call Team Fortress 2 kiddy due to its graphical style, which is madness.

  • Kryon #306 4 years ago

    @ZeroAX

    Kryon i'm sorry for not being british

    So you should be, but as I'm in a forgiving and generous mood I'll except your apology.

    @GingerNathan

    Next you'll be telling me The Simpson's or Futurama are kids programs

    No not at all, The Simpsons/Futurama and even films like Toy Story have certain adult themes/humour which children would not pick up on. Mario has no specifically adult orientated content whatsoever. That's not to say a 45 year old is unable to enjoy it but it is aimed at youngsters.

  • VMerken #307 4 years ago

    @BM:
    I'm one of those grown-ups, and - have fun with your copy of SMG btw - I don't feel like I'm going to lose out on anything. Free time is limited, and there are so many options to waste it with quality entertainment, so I really don't mind if I miss out on the Mario saga. There are a lot of other titles I find more interesting, and consequently sink playing time in.

    As for the Mario being All Ages argument, sure, everyone saying that is right. However, I don't think the majority of adults currently attracted to the Wii and DS will buy and actively play SMG. The interface and the game world are just too kiddy for that. I think they'd rather play other All Ages games such as Brain Training because it offers a neutral, no-nonsense interface and is potentially useful.

    What will probably happen is that these adults buy SMG for their kids, to stimulate their imagination (and keep them quiet/busy/happy for a while). And perhaps humour them and play along for a bit.

    Nothing wrong with any of that.

  • justMe #308 4 years ago

    There are 3 main stages on a gamers life:

    kid: anything is cool, everything is new and fun to discover.

    teenager/young adult: hormones dictate your personality, tendency to reject anything that remotely look like "kids stuff". Girls, big cars, big guns, big spaceships, violence.

    adult: you realise that in all those years the things that made you like a game over another wasn't the theme but some abstract quality. What is good gameplay? Are some games really art?


    Mario games are anything but kids games. They are game designer games, a quest for gaming purity, the essence of "fun".

  • Kryon #309 4 years ago

    @Justme

    Listen mate, no disrespect but that speech brought a solitary tear to my eye, for added effect you should have pressed play on your 'random epic soundtrack' player and recited the speech in a husky deep American accent.

    The essence of fun? The essence of fanboy more like! Anyway, thanks for the amateur psychology lesson ;-)
    Edited by 1 at 06/11/07 @ 15:31

  • Tonka #310 4 years ago

    Super Mario Galaxy
    10/10
    GOTY
    NINTENDO = GOD CONFIRMED
    (see details inside)

  • sniglet #311 4 years ago

    Well written review for what looks to be a fantastic game. This'll be a first day purchase for me now that I've got around to finishing Halo3.

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #312 4 years ago

    As for the Mario being All Ages argument, sure, everyone saying that is right. However, I don't think the majority of adults currently attracted to the Wii and DS will buy and actively play SMG. The interface and the game world are just too kiddy for that. I think they'd rather play other All Ages games such as Brain Training because it offers a neutral, no-nonsense interface and is potentially useful.

    But Wii Sports makes a mockery of that post. It's looks fun, simple and colourful and has attracted gamers and non-gamers of all ages.

    Just like Ratatouille appeals to all ages due to it's adult friendly touches so Mario will appeal with it's easy accessibility yet deep gameplay.

    That's what makes a Mario game different from your usual kids game.

  • Kryon #313 4 years ago

    The problem with this thread is that it's filled with people (like me) who grew up playing Zelda on their SNES/ Landstalker on their MD or whatever, and haven't grown out of it (but unlike me) fail to admit that these games are a childish pursuit, as many games are. Yes the games are "kiddy", that doesn't mean you have to feel ashamed of playing them...
    Edited by 1 at 06/11/07 @ 15:17

  • Calgon #314 4 years ago

    Oh! just stop trying to spin it around: "no you are the one who's immature with your bang bang guns, not me lol". Hypocrisy, ignore the comments about playing Nintendo games must mean you're immature or explain why thats not true but dont come back with an equally untrue arguement just because you're annoyed(thats immature in itself).

    Yes Nintendo cater for younger audiences, Mario's main target audience IS there(thats a good thing, there should be more of that if anything, who is selfish enough to not want anyone to put the effort into a AAA blockbuster for them?... from the right devs obviously and Id say Nintendo are the kings there) but they make games that can be enjoyed by EVERYONE(so made for Adults too), thats a unique quality in itself and probably harder to acheive sometimes. Nintendo are veterans in the game industry and do deserve a bit of respect(and they get that but it would be nice to see their Nazi fanbase do the same where warranted... naturally they'll say its not been warranted and thats why I have no time for the hardcore fans).

    If someone doesnt like Mario, platformers or any other Nintendo game its not simply because "they dont know games as well as me, Ive obviously been playing longer if the person disagrees Nintendo are the best. Im hardcore and I know better"(seriously some of you are coming accross as real David Brents with that kind of talk... you facists!). They do the same when people like a competing game "anyone who enjoys this mustnt know games as well as me, I know better, let me point out a few games Im assuming you havent played which are for 100% fact better" do they **** 9 times out of 10 they havent even played the game they are bashing to begin with or if they did they never gave it a chance, just looked for ammo.

    So yeah, after all the bashing the fanbase does of competing brands I dont see why I should care if they are getting a bit of backlash or not, they deserve a bit for doing the exact same things.
    Edited by 4 at 06/11/07 @ 15:39

  • gelf #315 4 years ago

    Technically all games are childish pursuits really, Jumping on heads to kill enemies is no less childish a pursuit then shooting them in the face with a shotgun. I should be doing more constructive grown up things instead of playing the Orange Box like I have all week :p
    Edited by 2 at 06/11/07 @ 15:30

  • sniglet #316 4 years ago

    What an abortion of a thread.

  • Kryon #317 4 years ago

    ^^^ Yes and that post made it so much better! Thanks brain master ;)

  • sniglet #318 4 years ago

    No problem, all your posts have added up to basically the same amount of interesting content as my single one. ;)

  • CouldntResist #319 4 years ago

    My award for "First Poster to be set on Ignore" goes to...[drumroll]...

    KYRON

    - For being a cesspit of hypocrisy and puerility.

    Congratulations.

  • Kryon #320 4 years ago

    I love people who feel they have to announce the fact that they wish to ignore another person. Either do it, or don't. No one cares whom you ignore or not son. I guess perhaps your existence is so unimportant that the ignore button gives you such a feeling of power that you feel the need to share with the rest of us? Congratulations! Good for you, enjoy.

  • ZeroAX #321 4 years ago

    Kryon= http://www.theslackerz.co m/

  • Kryon #322 4 years ago

    ^^^Sooo.... You crawl the internet searching for anti XBox comics in your spare time? Uh, OK...

  • Azazel #323 4 years ago

    No, you're a stupid Towel!

  • ZeroAX #324 4 years ago

    lol i don't think that comic is anti xbox. (it's mroe anti sonic :p)

    i just read the very funny comic. i guess you run out of insults huh?

  • Toonster #325 4 years ago

    ^^^Sooo.... You crawl the internet searching for anti XBox comics in your spare time? Uh, OK...
    Uh, I'm sorry, aren't you the one who, in YOUR spare time, made an anti-wii website?

  • VMerken #326 4 years ago

    @Pacman
    "But Wii Sports makes a mockery of that post. It's looks fun, simple and colourful and has attracted gamers and non-gamers of all ages."

    Not really. Wii sports is based around the concept of the Wiis, an acceptable level of abstraction. Users are abstrahized to "ID-less" entities which are no nonsense (vastly different when compared to the Mario, Peach, etc. models). Sports settings are functionally represented, so the interface - for a sports-based game - is as acceptable and non-kiddie as Brain Training.

    "Just like Ratatouille appeals to all ages due to it's adult friendly touches so Mario will appeal with it's easy accessibility yet deep gameplay."

    Perhaps Ratatouille is All Ages too, but I'm pretty confident most adults will display the same behaviour as with SMG - nice purchase for the kids, will assist and laugh along if needed.

  • Kryon #327 4 years ago

    Yeah Toonster but that was a service to the general public. It's completely different ;-)
    Anyway, I grow tired of conversing with the homosexual Wii crowd so I'm off for now. I'll be back to feed you kids a little more bait the next time I get bored.

    Enjoy your GameCube wavy stick toy things. Farewell Wiitards!

  • Calgon #328 4 years ago

    That comic wasnt funny at all to anyone but fanboys is the irony there... or people who dont play games at all maybe?

  • ZeroAX #329 4 years ago

    in my experience with ut2004 small kids with a mic can break your nerves. calgon i think you don't get some of the jokes. it's not about 360 users or halo3. it's about small (immature kids cause of age) that play halo 3

  • Azazel #330 4 years ago

    As someone who has been playing online shooters for about the last decade, I can confirm that that comic is indeed not making a comment that is specific to Halo :)

  • ZeroAX #331 4 years ago

    yeah. and unfortunately blizzard put voice chat in wow so i have to listen to little kids for 2 hours when doing an instance

  • Calgon #332 4 years ago

    ZeroAX I got that part, what I meant was regarding the other joke with the last sentence of that post and that is: all gaming like any hobby can get in the way of more serious/boring things ;) (the job at the burger place) .

    I think everyone is capable of being an ass online every once in a while, the difference being the ones who know when they are being an ass are the ones that you wont mind playing again because they are usually ok. Ive played Halo2 online atleast(you know Ive never been a big halo fan didnt play that nearly as much as I did PGR2... the community on that game was among the best but even that could get nasty) and yeah the very first time I showed someone when I hooked it up to Live, within the first 10 secs I was shot from behind by some 13 year old squeekey voiced kid who danced over my corpse teabagging me and shouting "f**k you - f**k you!" repeatedly. We both saw the funny side to that at first but it was an occasion where you laugh when you really shouldnt incase you encourage the little ****(I can tell most people can see the funny side to it when they talk about it but when you just want to find a good group for a good game its really annoying to hear one in every server).

    Its not even limited to kids though grown adults are much bolder/jerk prone online in my experience too(and I myself snapped at a few guys on Xbox live, that happens IMO, gaming can be stressfull and people do play dirty/cheat which brings the worst out of any good player wanting to enjoy a game, PES4 seemed to be a game I had to force myself to unplug my mic from but that is just one of those games where you feel robbed sometimes), especially if theyve been drinking or taking drugs.

    Edited by 5 at 06/11/07 @ 19:20

  • Sid-Nice #333 4 years ago

    What a Kryon shame; that someone who thinks that Mario is for kids has Super Smash Bros Brawl in his most wanted list. :)

  • pyrat6 #334 4 years ago

    "Anyway, I grow tired of conversing with the homosexual Wii crowd so I'm off for now. I'll be back to feed you kids a little more bait the next time I get bored."

    What a rich and fulfilling life you have.

    /bewildered

  • Toonster #335 4 years ago

    Anyway, I grow tired of conversing with the homosexual Wii crowd so I'm off for now. I'll be back to feed you kids a little more bait the next time I get bored.

    Enjoy your GameCube wavy stick toy things. Farewell Wiitards!

    The sheer wit is almost too much for me. Even when a Wii game scores a 10/10, he still has to cover his ears and scream LALALALALA.
    Edited by 1 at 06/11/07 @ 21:23

  • Der_tolle_Emil #336 4 years ago

    Also I enjoyed my gamecube and of course still have it.

  • ChrisS #337 4 years ago

    Mario Galaxy then, eh?

    Sheesh.

  • ph101 #338 4 years ago

    Great. Clearly a must purchase and i'm just about to wind up tha other must purchase wii game zelda tp. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be out in the UK for a further 10 days!?

  • dk_rare #339 4 years ago

    Good thing I got my Wii at launch so I can play this. Some of my friends are STILL having trouble finding one, shipments come at least once a week but they refuse to hold them and they keep selling out so damn quick! Seriously, Wii was last years must have console, it is this years must have console and will be next years must have console. If Wii is a fad then so be it, it looks like this fad will outlive and outsell the PS3 and 360!!!

    But yeah, this game will be awesome. I am glad that I will be playing the best game of 2007 this christmas, I feel sorry for all the other people that will have to settle for other games that are not as good.

  • Kryon #340 4 years ago

    "Wii was last years must have console, it is this years must have console and will be next years must have console."

    Huh? Why, because it now has one Triple A Exclusive? ....lol, yeah OK then mate...

  • GingerNathan #341 4 years ago

    "Huh? Why, because it now has one Triple A Exclusive? ....lol, yeah OK then mate..."

    I think if Wii Fit takes off like Wii Sport then I think he'll be right. Not sure what AAA titles have to do with it, last time I looked the charts where full of Fifa, Brain Training, and Movie games, and not games like ICO, SOTC, Okami, and Psychonauts; which I consider to being AAA games but sold bugger all, and certainly had no baring on the PS2 selling 120 million.

  • Kryon #342 4 years ago

    Not sure what AAA titles have to do with it

    OK, so we're now judging a consoles merits by how well it sells rather than the software available for it?
    As you just said half the games in the charts are crappy Movie tie-ins but they sell well, so in your book that makes them 'must have' titles does it?

  • GingerNathan #343 4 years ago

    "OK, so we're now judging a consoles merits by how well it sells rather than the software available for it?
    As you just said half the games in the charts are crappy Movie tie-ins but they sell well, so in your book that makes them 'must have' titles does it?
    "
    You where replying to dk_rares comments about the Wii being the must have console for this and next year, being a 'must have' item is based on how many people want to buy it, so we're not now judging a console on sales because you already where, and you said it wouldn't be the 'must-have' (i.e selling the most) console next year because it didn't have enough AAA games.
    As far as the crappy movie games go, then IMO they're not 'must have' games, but they're always going to sell well on all formats. I brought it up as the kind of people that are buying the Wii in droves, and as a point of reference gave the PS2 the majority of it's 120 million sales are the kind of people who buy the movie tie-ins, the yearly sports updates, and the casual stuff like Wii Fit.

    The console with the most AAA games at the moment is the 360, but that hasn't stopped the Wii from catching up with it in half the time the 360's been out. :/

  • Nick261007 #344 4 years ago

    Girls shouldn't be allowed to review games, play or talk about football or any sports for that matter, and they shouldn't be allowed to drink pints.

    If they're not in the kitchen or the bedroom then they are not doing their job properly.

  • Kryon #345 4 years ago

    @GingerNathan

    You are putting words into my mouth aswell as contradicting yourself!

    "As far as the crappy movie games go, then IMO they're not 'must have' games"

    You're saying the Wii sells well and for that reason it is a 'must have' item yet if a rubbish movie tie-in sells well it is not a 'must have' item? So I have no idea what logic you make these assumptions under?

  • GingerNathan #346 4 years ago

    "You're saying the Wii sells well and for that reason it is a 'must have' item yet if a rubbish movie tie-in sells well it is not a 'must have' item? So I have no idea what logic you make these assumptions under?
    "
    I stressed IMO (in my opinion) that they're not because I don't go anywhere near them. But obviously if lots of people are rushing out and buying these games then surely they are 'must-have' to those people. Which is why this Christmas the 'must-have' (I'm really starting to hate that word) will be some shitty Need for Speed or movie tie-in game, a game I wouldn't touch with someone else's console.

    Which is why I clearly didn't contradict myself, and in the same sense didn't put any words into you mouth (or Keyboard as the case may be). Have you got reading Gremlin's?

  • Kryon #347 4 years ago

    Well if we're looking at the term 'must have' as a subjective then I have no idea why you challenged my original statement. I do not believe the Wii to be contextually a 'must have' item as it is a games system without enough good games. The Ford Fiesta sells well but that in no way makes it the 'must have' vehicle. In the same vein, the Wii sells well but that does not make it the 'must have' console.

  • ZeroAX #348 4 years ago

    kids should be banned from the Internet (see above poster)
    Edited by 1 at 07/11/07 @ 14:31

  • Kryon #349 4 years ago

    So should fuck wits who have no idea what 'grammar' is (see above post).

    I must admit, at least your spelling seems to have improved of late (although it did take an edit of your one sentence post to get it right) but perhaps you should also learn how to use capital letters correctly...

  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife #350 4 years ago

    Kryon, I'm amazed at the amount of effort you put in not liking something! My hat is off to you.

  • pyrat6 #351 4 years ago

    "In the same vein, the Wii sells well but that does not make it the 'must have' console."

    I agree entirely. It's the fact that demand is still outstripping supply that makes it appear desirable (oh - and the fact it's outselling everything else). Still gets the most attention from the 'non'gamers' but I don't really care about them.


  • Sebo #352 4 years ago

    @kryon

    Same sh''t
    Different day

  • Kryon #353 4 years ago

    @Pac-man ate my wife

    If a console is worth hating, it's worth hating properly. ;-)

  • ZeroAX #354 4 years ago

    kyron go learn a second language yourself before speaking about grammar. i'm sure you'll rape it hard. not cause it's hard to learn one. it's just that you are an idiot. come on i've seen trolls and trolls but you're the only one i've seen been hated that much.

    and i'm guessing your copy pasting my posts on word to check spelling huh?

  • Kryon #355 4 years ago

    Lol, ZeroAX am cry... Aww...

  • ZeroAX #356 4 years ago

    come to think of it you're probably that guy who works for microsoft and hangs around the eurogamer forums as he said in interviews

  • Kryon #357 4 years ago

    kyron go learn a second language yourself before speaking about grammar. i'm sure you'll rape it hard. not cause it's hard to learn one.

    Hmm, well it obviously is hard for you to learn one because your English is on par with that of a lazy eyed primate with downs syndrome. Poor ZeroAX :(

  • Brianstorm #358 4 years ago

    hats off to Nintendo for delivering SMG on the Wii and LoZPH on DS, 2 AAA products that define quality and how to get the best out of hardware trying to do something different.

    Can't wait for the Q1 '08 first party titles... (and SMG next week!!!!)

  • aldo_14 #359 4 years ago

    I just don't get why anyone over seven years old would want to play games like this. Can anyone seriously say that Mario is a good character whilst keeping a straight face?

    Why not play it to have fun*? That's still allowed for us big grown ups, isn't it?

    *of course, if you don't enjoy that type of game, fair enough; but it's not exactly hard to imagine people over 7 enjoying it.

  • Kryon #360 4 years ago

    Oooh tis Not-Luigi so it is, skiddly dee skiddly doo and a top-o-da mornin to you ;-)

  • Kryon #361 4 years ago

    Not_Luigi is 'confused', now there's a surprise.... ;-) XD :-) :'( lol.

  • Kryon #362 4 years ago

    not_luigi, you make the mistake of thinking that I actually want you to like me...I don't. I reserve all niceties for the more intelligent EG folk.

  • bigbadbeasty #363 4 years ago

    @Kryon

    Are you just rabbiting on in a vain hope that people will not buy a Wii? Or do you actually have a point when you are insulting everyone?

    I think you will have to face it, the console you you seem to hate so much has happily sold more than any of the current gen, and now has more titles coming out, so will continue to sell well. It will also probably be a sell out this Christmas and the one after.

    Do think Nintendo did just did it to piss you off?

  • Fwing #364 4 years ago

    Never mind all the rest of the rubbish spouted here I have to take issue with the "Mario is for kids" nonsense. If you think this then:

    1) You've never played a Mario game
    2) You clearly don't like fun
    3) You call into question everything else you stand for by making such a blatantly wrong-headed statement.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled poo slinging. . .

  • Kryon #365 4 years ago

    LMFAO, I see schools out then eh. Your parents really shouldn't allow you kids to have PC's in your bedrooms, such bad language, tsk!

  • Kryon #366 4 years ago

    Good comeback brain master but no, I was laughing at you <a href=http://uk.y outube.com/watch?v=ZWTzyU5MFgM>Matt Damon</a>.

  • rare_uk #367 4 years ago

    aaaaand 400
    Edited by 1 at 08/11/07 @ 20:49

  • ZeroAX #368 4 years ago

    lol. the only poster i'm ignoring is kryon and my browser shows only 362 comments. guess he is a big part of this discussion. don't know what else you said but you are a lifeless moron who just can't take it that your precious 360 is being outsold. GO CRY TO MOMMY fucking 10 year old

  • Kryon #369 4 years ago

    "Anyway, Kryon, just cry on."

    BrainMaster strikes back!

  • Kryon #370 4 years ago

    @ZeroAX

    I don't need to click a button to ignore you, I've been doing it since the day you joined EG but I do like to read your posts for comedy value.

  • Tonka #371 4 years ago

    He said, doing the opposite of ignoring

  • spekkeh #372 4 years ago

    "Was your earlier, intelligible comment just a chance meeting of your typically nonsensical babbling and some coherent meaning, then? "A stopped clock...", and all that. Or is it that you're actually somewhat capable, but a deeply loathsome and wretched person?

    It could be either one! Readers are encouraged to join in and guess at home. "

    I reckon he's quite capable of being a moron.

  • Kryon #373 4 years ago

    @MattDamon

    I obviously do annoy you, or you wouldn't keep prattling out worthless insults at me, you don't actually seem to know how much your 'Timmy dim wit' replies amuse me...

    Keep it up fucktard ;-)

  • Kryon #374 4 years ago

    @MattDamon

    It's because you are a miserable, sad, pathetic troll.

    And that's supposed to be a "well constructed argument/ingenious comeback" is it? LULZ, what a fool. Anyway, I'm glad that I have so much power over your life that my mere comment can ruin your mood and "bring you down".

    Try enjoying something, and try shutting your mouth when you don't.

    Yeah because if everybody did that then there would be so much point in a comments section wouldn't there Matt, you really are a bit dunce aren't you son ;(

  • Toonster #375 4 years ago

    Reading this comments thread has halved my IQ. Congratulations.

  • ZeroAX #376 4 years ago

    yeah, i wish this generation they release a second 3d mario game but i doubt it. well at least it's selling well in japan

  • Kryon #377 4 years ago

    LMFAO, I honestly did laugh in real life, oh dear, for some 'subtle' reason, I get the idea that me calling you 'son' hit a nerve with you. that last post was probably the hight of your fuckwittery to date son. It's harder to wind up an 8 year old than it is you, I can almost see you there behind your keyboard, red faced, tears in eyes, shaking with anger, so enraged you couldn't even type properly resulting in multiple post edits (either that or you're just an illiterate fuck, not sure) PMSL. Good stuff, keep it coming son. XD

  • Kryon #378 4 years ago

    You see I wasn't aiming for clever or ingenious

    Yeah, it's best not to aim too high son.

  • Sid-Nice #379 4 years ago

    Kryon is really ecosse_011172 and his quest is to make the Nintendo comments the most popular on E/G.

  • ZeroAX #380 4 years ago

    so who will be buying it on the first day? i wanted to order this along with rayman raving rabbids 2 from play but they say this ain't available :(. maybe i'll be lucky and find these 5 days before release at fnac like i found paper mario (5 days before release)

  • Luckz #381 4 years ago

    I have no clue what to say to this. I only read from post 350, I admit.
    The GingerNathan person's incompetence was amusing for about a few seconds, but then a feeling of great sadness over the thread as a whole eclipsed my joy.

  • kobashi #382 4 years ago

    clocked the game. now the quest for 120 stars!!!

  • GingerNathan #383 4 years ago

    "The GingerNathan person's incompetence was amusing for about a few seconds"

    Care to expand on that you trolling prick.

  • Jesus_is_my_airbag #384 4 years ago

    Children in the Wii section, I'm shocked.

    Don't feed the trolls kids.

  • Kryon #385 4 years ago

    "Got a mirror beside your computer?"

    Oh purrrlease! If you're going to come back with 2/10 replies like that, There's really no point.

  • Sid-Nice #386 4 years ago

    so who will be buying it on the first day?

    I'm camping out on Thursday night with Kryon; he's letting me use his ToysRus discunt card.

  • ZeroAX #387 4 years ago

    "
    I'm camping out on Thursday night with Kryon; he's letting me use his ToysRus discunt card."


    hahaha lol. i think they banned him from that toy store when he trolled a 5 year old for buying playmobile over his superior lego toys

  • Kryon #388 4 years ago

    Sid, you sure you want to waste money on games? I thought you needed the cash to buy your Mrs a new shell suit? Besides, if you want to camp out with me it'd be a long trip from the scum ridden slum that is Newcastle, oh or would your illegal immigrant rent boy friend ZeroAX be giving you a lift in his unregistered cab?

  • theonlyix #389 4 years ago

    How good is the COOP ?
    Can i play with my friend in the US?
    Is the innovation of this game outstanding, has it never been done before?
    Are the graphics the best yet on the wii?
    Is the game made for people >7 this time around?

    If not, how the crap can this game recieve a 10/10.

  • varsas #390 4 years ago

    How good is the COOP? Poor.
    Can i play with my friend in the US? No.
    Is the innovation of this game outstanding, has it never been done before? Yes.
    Are the graphics the best yet on the wii? Yes.
    Is the game made for people >7 this time around? Yes.

    --> 10/10.

    For Halo 3 it would be: Yes, Yes, No, No (best on 360), Yes.
    For Bioshock it would be: No, No, Yes, Yes (best on 360), Yes.
    Edited by 1 at 12/11/07 @ 08:19

  • ZeroAX #391 4 years ago

    poor fps fans. there's still nothing that beats half life 2. btw mario week continues with the release of the mii contest channel (why do we always get the worst names when it comes to channel. wiiware souns better than wii software.) and they are holding a mario without his cap contest. i downloaded one who could be a winner

  • b0t #392 4 years ago

    cool game :)

  • smelly #393 4 years ago

    Fuck me this thread is depressing.

    First comparisions with halo (wtf)??? Now the 360 fanboy tards are coming in with the "too kiddy for me" stuff.

    Sometimes i wonder if some people actually PLAY games..

  • ZeroAX #394 4 years ago

    i play them but i always remember that wow is the last game i need so i give up and crawl back to my pc. and yeah i agree comparing this to halo is stupid. then again platform games are so rare these days that the only thing i can compare this too is jax and daxter (sonic 3d sucks :'( )

  • varsas #395 4 years ago

    @Calgon: "Im only going to buy the console when I see these innovative AAA titles"

    So...I guess there aren't any games on any of the new systems that appeal?

  • Kryon #396 4 years ago

    MattDamon, why do you feel the need to reply to post's that aren't aimed at you? Is it a desperate cry for attention or something?

    MattDamon am cry :'(

  • mikew1985 #397 4 years ago

    My I try to re-inject some joy into this thread? SMG is nearly here, Friday is sooo close! Mario's cries of "Yipee!" always bring a smile to my face. Remind me of good times as a 13 year old way back when. Wonderous :)

  • Sid-Nice #398 4 years ago

    You can call Wor Lass as much as you like Kryon; but div'nt call the Toon.

    Wor Lass in a Pink shell suit. LOL.

  • Kryon #399 4 years ago

    Sorry Sid, a man of my lineage does not speak in peasant or bumpkin languages ;-)

  • Sid-Nice #400 4 years ago

    Aye, Charles Martinet is going doon south to meet the rest of the fucker's who talk with a high pitched voice.

  • smelly #401 4 years ago

    Kryon mate.. Please stop trolling. I know what yer trying to do. But please stop, it just makes reading threads like this depressing - as i start to wonder if people play games for enjoyment any more or just to "look cool".

    Personally i think the world of games need more games like that, and less "cool" teenage stuff. Just like 10 or 15 years ago (when every other blinking game was a platformer) i'd have said the exact opposite.

  • Kryon #402 4 years ago

    Smelly, I'll make you a deal, I'll stop trolling Wii threads when you stop trolling anything remotely Halo/MS based. If you think you can manage that then we'll see...

  • Sid-Nice #403 4 years ago

    Super Mario Galaxy is Game of the Year.

    I agree with what The Sun said about Halo 3 "Forget game of the year this is game of the dickhead."

  • Kryon #404 4 years ago

    What a surprise! A Geordie chav who reads the Sun. Are you on the dole by any chance Sid? It's just most people who read the Sun are either on minimum wage or scrounge off the state. Is that why you can't afford a proper console?

  • Sid-Nice #405 4 years ago

    What a surprise! A Geordie chav who reads the Sun. Are you on the dole by any chance Sid? It's just most people who read the Sun are either on minimum wage or scrounge off the state. Is that why you can't afford a proper console?

    I don't buy or read The Sun; I only know this quote as it's on the front cover of the Halo 3 box (only I changed decade into dickhead) obviously you don't own Halo 3 as you would have already known this fact. As for not being able to afford a proper console; the state has paid for all three consoles for me.

    Yes I’m unemployed but that didn’t stop me from buying my lovely Cheryl a gorgeous pink shell suit this afternoon.
    Edited by 1 at 13/11/07 @ 00:35

  • ZeroAX #406 4 years ago

    people people. use the ignore button. make trolls cry please

  • boyscout #407 4 years ago

    This is the first game in years that I really want to play.

  • kenty #408 4 years ago

    I've been playing it the last couple of days as 'star bit partner' (hhttp://w ww.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/11/12) for my friend, and it's already a wonderful experience, despite the fact that i've mostly been merely participating as a 2P without even playing properly.

    Brings me right back to over 20 years ago when i was 5 and first played Super Mario Bros, a pivotal moment that directly resulted in me becoming a gamer.

    I first played Mario Galaxy at a demo booth in an EBGames store when i was in the US and A last week. A 4 or 5 year old kid was watching me play the whole time, his mum kept trying to drag him away but he was like 'i want to see more, i want to see more!' He had a look of wonder on his face that I imagine was exactly like my face looked all those years ago when I first saw a mario game ;)

    Game of the decade?
    Edited by 2 at 15/11/07 @ 06:26

  • RobTheBuilder #409 4 years ago

    Hurrah for Play.com, got my copy yesterday in the post.
    First impressions are very good...

  • robson_wii #410 4 years ago

    Torn between SMG and MP3. Shame I have to remove the disc each time I want to play one or the other unlike the VC games.

    First impressions: Wow! Tee Hee and OMG

    10/10 so far

  • paulf #411 4 years ago

    got it today through shopto.net and even the posty came before 9:30 !! first impressions much the same as everyone else, great fun, classic mario, great graphics and music as well. Id recommend it :)

  • ZeroAX #412 4 years ago

    bought it loved it. bee mario FTW

  • smelly #413 4 years ago

    @Kryon: Difference being - i'm not a troll. I own a 360, and will even get a ps3 eventually.

    I bought halo 3, and it's a good game. It's not worth the review scores it got, but that's to be expected due to the marketing money being thrown around for it.

    I've never said that halo 3 was a bad game, i merely discussed reviewing standards.

    What you're doing in this thread is trolling..

    But i guess you'll never understand the difference until you're passed puberty - so i dont know why im bothering.

  • Sid-Nice #414 4 years ago

    The wait is over...

    Mario is God.

  • ZeroAX #415 4 years ago

    this game is so much better than mario 64. all the stages are different and with the planetoids you get a different stage inside another stage. finally no stupid red coin blue coin collection. and best of all so many boss battles :D:D:D

  • Kryon #416 4 years ago

    @Smelly

    "@Kryon: Difference being - i'm not a troll. I own a 360, and will even get a ps3 eventually."

    Smelly son, I also own a Wii and 360, if you checked my profile you'd realise that Smash bros Brawl has actually been in my most wanted list for the last few months. Just a shame I've had to wait a year for SMG and MP3 (wow two decent games in a year)

    "I bought halo 3, and it's a good game. It's not worth the review scores it got, but that's to be expected due to the marketing money being thrown around for it. "

    So you're another idiot who claims the staff at EG have been paid to give Halo a good score? Is that what you're accusing them of? If so, why the fuck do you come to this site. Not too smart are you....

    Smelly, everybody knows you as one of the worst trolls to grace this site, deny it if it makes you feel better but you know the truth just like everyone else...
    Edited by 1 at 16/11/07 @ 11:32

  • xagarath #417 4 years ago

    This is easily one of the best games ever made.
    Easily.

  • Kryon #418 4 years ago

    No Matt, I felt I wanted to add another paragraph. Anyway, aren't you the kid who writes out one line posts and then edits them three or four times or deletes and reposts them in the hope that no one noticed (like you just did with the above post)?

    Must try harder, Mong.

  • smelly #419 4 years ago

    *edit*

    Don't know why i'm encouraging him with a response.. so i'll just edit this to read:

    @kryon - *sigh* - troll.
    Edited by 2 at 16/11/07 @ 19:58

  • Kryon #420 4 years ago

    Lol, it's funny, I actually did read your reply but didn't bother to reply to it. You are actually really boring.

    You said something about you not trolling MS/Halo (the reason you edited your post is because you just came out with this:

    "Who cares about gfx anyhows? Certainly not 360 owners - looking at halo 3. "

    in another thread...

    Pathetic, just lame man...

  • smelly #421 4 years ago

    1. replying to you
    2. out of context
    3. you're a troll
    4. I think deep down you'd love to play mario, you're just jealous as your machine doesnt have it (or something).

  • Kryon #422 4 years ago

    Lame excuses.

    1.It's hardly the first time you've trolled in regard to Halo.
    2.Trolling is trolling. Context has nothing to do with it.
    3.Irony (you're the Nintendo equivalent of Apologie) Pot, kettle etc...
    4.I own a Wii, so wrong again. Not that I play it much, it's for girls you see.

  • varsas #423 4 years ago

    On topic, I received SMG on Friday and first impressions are fantastic. I've played through the first galaxy and it's lots of fun with great moments, invention and music! I'm looking forward to spending more time with it! :)

  • spekkeh #424 4 years ago

    Kryon is a girl, Kryon is a girl, nananana-na.

  • Kryon #425 4 years ago

    There's nothing wrong with girls spekkeh, in a few years you may find yourself oddly attracted to them...Oh, unless your a member of the SMG related group 'Gay gamers'?

    ;-)

  • Sid-Nice #426 4 years ago

    Here is Kryon's website.

  • Luckz #427 4 years ago

    GingerNathan: as Kyron said, "You are putting words into my mouth aswell as contradicting yourself!" - If you have not gotten it by now, I doubt that explaining that 'it sells well' is not much of a valid reason to want something will help. Also, it might not hurt to spell- and grammar-check your posts before hitting the submit button.


    Kyron: "So you're another idiot who claims the staff at EG have been paid to give Halo a good score? Is that what you're accusing them of? If so, why the fuck do you come to this site. Not too smart are you...."
    It's not thaaat far-fetched judging by the Sensible Soccer review..
    Edited by 1 at 18/11/07 @ 19:15

  • GingerNathan #428 4 years ago

    "If you have not gotten it by now, I doubt that explaining that 'it sells well' is not much of a valid reason to want something will help. Also, it might not hurt to spell- and grammar-check your posts before hitting the submit button.
    "
    So some ambiguous statement that makes little sense and some childish stab at my spelling and grammar (which certainly isn't perfect, but certainly good enough for a comments section in a gaming website) is your defence for trolling on something that I posted many pages back, is it? All I can say is 'Wow'.


  • ZeroAX #429 4 years ago

    hit the ignore button people. anyway it's sad that this game didn't sell as good as mario party ds on it's second week out in japan :(

  • smelly #430 4 years ago

    (ignoring the little turd kryon who's 10 year old mind cant tell difference between saying you dont like a game and it's overrated and going into every thread of a console saying it's shit).

    BACK ON TOPIC.

    Well i've been playing galaxy now all weekend.

    Cant say i'm convinced by it yet. I dont like having to shake the wiimote to attack as sometimes it just plain doesnt work (so you lose energy unnecessarily)

    Also having problems getting my platforming hands around the planetoid stuff (keep missing jumps and stuff).

    The graphics in the environments dont seem to have the variety of even 64, let alone sunshine, etc etc.

    So far, i have to be honest and say i preferred sunshine!

    Best game of the year i've played? Probably (not hard, so many overrated stinkers). But Best mario? Not convinced yet.. will have to keep playing to see i guess.


    Edited by 2 at 19/11/07 @ 17:36

  • ZeroAX #431 4 years ago

    come on smelly. this game is more of a pure platform game than 64 or sunshine was. don't know about the shake attack i don't really notice if it doesn't work. besides after you do it you can't do it for a few second again so maybe that's what you meant by it doesn't always work. and really i find the stages classic and original at the same time (mario in a space station is a first). also best stage IMO is the toy stage one. loved it.

    spoiler

    if you get all 120 stars you get to play as luigi and if you beat the game with him you get 1 secret stage :D

  • Nikanoru #432 4 years ago

    Cant say i'm convinced by it yet. I dont like having to shake the wiimote to attack as sometimes it just plain doesnt work (so you lose energy unnecessarily)

    I've got 80 stars and never even once have I experienced the attack not working properly and immediately. It must be a problem on your end.


    Also having problems getting my platforming hands around the planetoid stuff (keep missing jumps and stuff).

    "I have to do something new and have to adjust", how is this a negative?


    The graphics in the environments dont seem to have the variety of even 64, let alone sunshine, etc etc.

    Maybe you're just feeling this because nearly everything is planet-shaped. I can assure you if you're going to put things side by side and look at them objectively, there is plenty of variety in the graphics.



    That said, it pains me, but I prefer Sunshine also. More freedom, less linear (stupid really - you would expect a game to tackle whole galaxies filled with planets to actually let you fucking wander around on your own), larger and MUCH more interesting "hub" area, secrets that are ACTUALLY secrets and actually fun to look for, and frankly IMO better graphics.

    Yeah, I said it. Galaxy might look better if you're one of those geeks who only look at what sort of pixel shaders a game implements, but I prefer the whole aesthetic of Sunshine.

    And is it just me, or does the game seem very short compared to its predecessors?

    I mean I'd still play this over 99% of the drivel that's released today (including many of EG's 10/10's) but it fell far short of my expectations considering the rest of the series.

    7/10

  • smelly #433 4 years ago

    I agree Nikanoru.

    Compared to half the crap released this year (halo, etc) it's definately a 10/10

    But compared to other marios - i dont think it even stands against sunshine.

    I'm only 30 stars in and i'm at a point where i cant be arsed even playing it any more!

    So in comparision to other games on the market at moment 9/10.. in comparision to other marios 7/10. But looking at the crud which gets 10/10 nowadays (cough halo cough), maybe it's worth 12/10?

    I'm gonna play it some more this weekend and write a proper review.. but so far it's not looking pretty.

  • Kryon #434 4 years ago

    "I'm only 30 stars in and i'm at a point where i cant be arsed even playing it any more! "

    Wow! the game really must be utter shit if Donkey Kong's knob polisher smelly doesn't like it. Oh well smelly, I guess you must be right, it seems EG obviously do take bribes to give good scores to really shitty games like SMG...

  • smelly #435 4 years ago

    I didnt say it was shitty. I said it was probably the best game i've played all year, but (with last years games) that doesnt account for much.

    If you want a proper shitty overrated game, look at halo 3.

  • Kryon #436 4 years ago

    So you didn't even get half way through SMG and you were bored to the extent that you felt you couldn't even be bothered to play it anymore... and you say this is the best gaming fun you've had in the last year? Wow, I guess that's what happens when you're brand loyal, eh. Me personally, I've had a brilliant last year of gaming with titles like Zelda, God of War II, FFXII, Gears of War and many more (across many different platforms)... What have you done? Cried like a biatch while playing Cooking Mamma while singing to yourself that all you want is "a little R.E.S.P.E.C.T"

    Smellylol, Wiilol, SMGlol, etc....

  • varsas #437 4 years ago

    @smelly: Cant say i'm convinced by it yet. I dont like having to shake the wiimote to attack as sometimes it just plain doesnt work (so you lose energy unnecessarily)

    Hmm...are you really having a problem when executing a single spin attack? Certainly it doesn't register repeated attacks since you need to wait briefly in between for the luma(?) to return before you can spin again...

  • GingerNathan #438 4 years ago

    In case anybody's interested Edge also gave Galaxy a 10/10 (three tens in three months now :/).

    Other scores of note from their Christmas edition:
    Uncharted - 8
    Assassins Creed - 7
    Crysis - 9
    Mass effect - 7
    COD4 - 9
    Kane and lynch - 6
    Tony Hawk Proving Ground - 6
    The simpsons game - 5
    Zack and Wiki - 8
    The Witcher - 5
    Blade storm - 8
    Castlevania Dracular x - 7
    silent hill origins - 7
    Hellgate - 6
    Timeshift - 6
    mutant storm empire - 8
    Guitar Hero III - 6
    Beowulf - 5
    Need for speed pro street - 6

  • Pac #439 4 years ago

    @GingerNathan

    Thanks for that - how come my subscription copy of Edge is always late!!

    Slightly disappointed to see that Mass Effect only got 7.

    Also hoped that Zak and Wiki would get a 9 or 10.

    However Edge scores are pretty hit or miss sometimes (compared to my own tastes that is).

  • smelly #440 4 years ago

    @kryon:

    "So you didn't even get half way through SMG and you were bored to the extent that you felt you couldn't even be bothered to play it anymore"


    Yes that's true. But in the same amount of time, i'd completed halo 3.. Make of that what you will.

  • Brianstorm #441 4 years ago

    SMG is well worth the 10 in my opinion, a treasure of a video game.

  • smelly #442 4 years ago

    >SMG is well worth the 10 in my opinion, a treasure of a video game.

    We were playing different games then.

    I *honestly* think sunshine is better in nearly every way!

    Better graphically, better gameplay, more challenge, more exploration, etc etc.

  • GingerNathan #443 4 years ago

    " better gameplay"

    Yes Sunshine had some excellent game play (my favourite levels being situated in and around Hotel Delfino), but the repetition towards the end of certain tasks (how many time did I have to fight that giant Blooper?!) and needless blue coin collection gave me the impression that the development team ran out of ideas in the last quarter of the game. Great game, not as good as 64 or Galaxy.

  • smelly #444 4 years ago

    I agree sunshine not as good as 64.

    But at the moment my favs stand at (best to worst) - ingoring the 2d ones:

    1. mario 64
    2. mario sunshine
    3. mario galaxy


    if the 2d ones in - it'd be different again - prolly:

    1. mario world
    2. mario 64
    3. mario 3
    4. mario sunshine
    5. mario galaxy
    6. mario
    7. mario 2 (both the american one and the "lost levels" one)


    Never played mario world 2 to compare.

    Edited by 1 at 21/11/07 @ 23:27

  • GingerNathan #445 4 years ago

    For me:

    SMB3
    Galaxy (got about twenty coins to get so on the basis I haven't finished it yet it may go down in my estimations)
    64
    World
    Yoshi's Island
    SMB
    Sunshine
    Super Mario Land
    and Lost levels, Super Mario Land 2, and SMB2 (Doku Doku Panic one) in no particular order at the bottom.

  • smelly #446 4 years ago

    Oh, and I cant STAND the "ray surfing" levels either. Controller tilting just doesnt work for them!

    I'd rather have the option to do it on the analog stick.

  • Brianstorm #447 4 years ago

    Smelly interesting that you moan about the lack of variety in one comment and then in a different comment proceed to moan about one of the levels that it is different to the norm...

    Since we're at it, my top 5 is:

    1. Galaxy
    2. World
    3. 64
    4. The SNES Mario All Stars compilation
    5. Yoshi's Island

    I don't share the love for sunshine...

  • GingerNathan #448 4 years ago

    "Oh, and I cant STAND the "ray surfing" levels either. Controller tilting just doesnt work for me! " - fixed. :p

  • BanjoMan #449 4 years ago

    I loved M64 when it first came out. I skipped Sunshine, and now I have little inclination to play this.

    /is too old

  • Nobuo #450 4 years ago

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  • Kryon #451 4 years ago

    @Smelly

    "Yes that's true. But in the same amount of time, i'd completed halo 3.. Make of that what you will. "

    So what you're saying is that you found Halo 3 so enjoyable that you couldn't stop playing it and you found SMG so totally lame that you just didn't want to play it at all?

    Fair play mate.

  • gohda #452 4 years ago

    9.7/10 for 137 votes!! Sounds too good to be true..

  • Carrybagma #453 4 years ago

    What an awful thread. I'm almost sorry to bump it, but...

    @anyone: Does Krybaby really run an anti-Wii webpage? How sad. However, I'm sure I could have some fun with it, so pleeease someone, post the URL here.. :o)