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Retrospective: Street Fighter Article

Retro Article by Matt Edwards

15 February, 2009

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Capcom vs. SNK

Series:
(2000) Capcom vs. SNK: Millennium Fight 2000, (2001) Capcom vs. SNK: Millennium Fight 2000 Pro, (2001) Capcom vs. SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium 2001, (2003) SNK vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos

CvS Mechanics:

  • Ratio Match - we always suspected that Sagat was a better fighter than Sakura
  • Groove Selection - play the game system you prefer

If you'd suggested to anyone during the Street Fighter II heyday that Capcom and SNK would one day join forces and produce a Capcom vs. SNK crossover game, they would have had you committed. The sheer concept back then was as ludicrous as a Mario and Sonic game. Well, we've all learnt a lot since then, and not only did Capcom vs. SNK come to pass, but it did it twice after that too.

The first fully-fledged game in the series, Capcom vs. SNK: Millennium Fight 2000 (I've never played SNK vs. Capcom: The Match of the Millennium on the Neo-Geo Pocket, although other Eurogamers tell me it was good) was developed by Capcom. Rather than the normal six-button affair, Capcom scrapped the mediums and used light and heavy attacks like many of SNK's fighters. The roster was comprised of characters from Street Fighter, Morrigan from Darkstalkers and many SNK fighters from the likes of The King of Fighters.

The game's most interesting feature was the Ratio system. Each character was tiered between one to four depending on their general power and effectiveness - Cammy and King were tier one, Balrog and Terry Bogard were tier two, bosses Vega and Geese Howard were tier three and uber bosses Evil Ryu and Orochi Iori were top tier four. Players could therefore assemble teams of one to four characters. Watching Blanka, Dhalsim, Yuri and Vice trying to take down the all mighty Akuma was amusing indeed.

'Retrospective: Street Fighter' Screenshot 11

Violent Ken beats Ryu to a pulp with his Shinbu Messatsu, ending in an Orochi Iori pose. Serves him right for always being so honourable.

Rather than limiting Millennium Fight to Alpha-styled play mechanics, Capcom gave players the option of a Capcom or SNK Groove. Capcom Groove was more or less pure Alpha, with three levels of Super charged by attacking or blocking. SNK Groove was similar to the Extra Mode from The King of Fighters '98. It required the player to manually charge their single-tiered Super meter - extra powerful Supers, known as Super Desperation Attacks, were also available with a full Super meter and low health.

Millennium Fight proved highly successful in the arcades, bringing fans of Capcom and SNK fighters together - although most would generally play games from both companies anyway. A minor update in Millennium Fight 2000 Pro was followed by Capcom vs. SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium 2001.

Mark of the Millennium was again developed by Capcom, who this time decided that its six-button system was better and thus reinstated the mediums. Most players' criticism with the previous games' Ratio system was that it wasn't massively accurate in determining power and didn't allow for certain dream match-ups. In came Capcom with the Free Ratio system. This time players determined the ratio for each character rather than it being preset - so you could effectively have a tier-four-powered Dan.

Mark of the Millennium also significantly upped the character count with new inclusions like Kyosuke from Capcom's Rival Schools and Hibike Takane from Last Blade 2. Mark of the Millennium also saw the return of Shin Akuma as a secret boss along with Ultimate Rugal - Rugal having absorbed Akuma's Dark Hadou.

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Seeing Ken turned into a blonde girl wearing a wedding dress, before exploding in a ball of fire, is not something you forget quickly.

Capcom also upped the customisation by adding four further Grooves. A-Groove used a system similar to the V-ism Custom Combos from Alpha, P-Groove was limited to level-three Supers and used the parrying system from Third Strike, N-Groove was a more classic King of Fighters style and K-Groove worked like a combination of Samurai Shodown's Rage Gauge and Mark of the Wolves' Just Defend system. Only Marvel vs. Capcom 2 can really challenge Mark of the Millennium for its level of diversity.

Playmore took the reigns for the final SNK Capcom title, SNK vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos (it seems the developer gets to have its name in the title first). Chaos is an SNK game through and through, and was produced on SNK's archaic AES hardware. Even though Playmore crammed every last drop of graphical performance out of the AES, Chaos still looks dated alongside Mark of the Millennium - although I have to admit I do prefer the 2D backgrounds in Chaos.

Chaos returned to the four-button setup SNK always championed and also completely removed the Tag and Groove Selection systems. In most respects Chaos is more a spiritual sequel to Mark of the Millennium and mechanically shares little in common - playing more like The King of Fighters 2002 with bonus Capcom characters. This was by no means a bad thing as the game still played well with its extra-powerful Exceed Supers. Street Fighter diehards had to adjust their fighter skills to the comparatively faster King of Fighters pacing.

In the same way Ryu has his Evil Ryu alter-ego, SNK also saw fit to give Ken a Violent Ken variation for Chaos - his Exceed animation had a similar feel to angry Orochi Iori. Extra fan-service was added with hundreds of fighter dialogues that pre-empted each match, with Dan repeatably being mistaken for Ryo and Robert. More hilarious still was Darkstalkers' resident vampire Demitri and his Midnight Bliss Super. Said Super turns any male opponent into a woman before Demitri bleeds them dry. Apparently the Japanese actually have miniature figures dedicated to this alone.

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Matt_Edwards
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Hope you guys enjoy reading this as much as I enjoyed writing it :P
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i remenber the original street firghter at my locol arcade, it was the one with the large whackable rubber buttons! lol game was crap but at least you could legitimately beat the cabinet for being so.
Krelle
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omg
need to take the day off tomorrow to read this
Xerx3s
15/02/09 @ 10:32
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HOW DARE YOU CALL RED SONJA A FLOP?!
sweetcheeks
15/02/09 @ 10:45
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ooohh ryu, where did you get those red slippers, they're just darling
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15/02/09 @ 10:49
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Another weekend another superb arcticle! I love EG.

The number of people I've met had good times with in arcades and homes over this game series is unbeleivable.

The SF games are without a douby my best series ever. Just pure simple gaming fun which no one seems able to recreate even in the great beat 'em ups - NO ONE does it like Capcom.

Some would say they milked the SF brand to death with so many games but I don't think they did, they gave us what we want - MORE!!!

IF by any chance anyone from Capcom glances at this article please look at their god like catalogue of quality 2D fighting and please, please give every single one of your games the SSF2THDR touch. Darkstalkers, MSH, MvC2, Alpha, 3rd strike, my god I would lap it up and I'm sure many fans would.

Top read Matt and kudos to you for acknowledging that 3rd Strike is king :)
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CaoSlayer
15/02/09 @ 10:55
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Trivia:

Danīs father ripped Sagatīs eye.

And then, Sagat enraged, killed Danīs father being this the plot of Dan for Street fighter Alpha 2.
bad09
15/02/09 @ 11:00
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Dan was also a little dig at SNK and their Ryu/Ken rip offs as well wasn't he?
freddiecarr
15/02/09 @ 11:08
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Happy memories :)

except streetfighter the movie, which I still bought though for the ps1 for my streetfighter fix ;)
sweetcheeks
15/02/09 @ 11:08
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^ good greif thats the dumbest shit i ever heard but its true, i just checked wiki.

While we are at this SF love in,
may i just ask- one winter night may years ago, while i was waiting for a doner in a grubby kebab shop.
they had a streetfighter2 coinop machine called 'nightmare edition' the intro had ryu and ken fighting in a field during a thunder storm. The game had hadokens that went off at odd angles, and the onscreen charaters would float above the ground.
no one at school at the time believed me, did this happen or had all that reject kebab meat affected my brains.

ohh and yes this was a nice article matt
/cyber pat on the back
superjag86
15/02/09 @ 11:26
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Great article Matt, and I agree, Third Strike is one of the best 2D fighters out there and definitely the best Street Fighter.
(I miss Elena!)
SFIV has alot to live up to..
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GrandpaUlrira
15/02/09 @ 11:31
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Nice retrospective. My main argument against Third Strike being the best SF is that most of the characters were terribly designed and completely unmemorable.
Tango
15/02/09 @ 11:34
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sweetcheeks - that reminds me of one of those hacked versions I've seen in HK. There was one where if u connect with a dragon punch with Ryu the animation would turn into that Blanka's neck biting move.

It was truly bizarre...
N.A.T.O
15/02/09 @ 11:55
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I fookin love Streetfighter! I still fondly recall the intense SF2 battles with mates in the local arcade after school, good times!
I totally dig your comments on SF3 third strike. A more perfect and technical fighter I can't think of. I am very interested to find out how Sf4 stacks up.
grayn
15/02/09 @ 12:11
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What, no 'Human Killing Machine'?

(Good article, though)
LeonardMcCoy
15/02/09 @ 12:22
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Thanks for this well-written article that gives in-sight into the jungle of Street Fighter installments.
Matt_Edwards
15/02/09 @ 12:32
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Got Street Fighter IV for 360 yesterday after being starved of any access to the arcade game for months. It's totally awesome!

Unfortunately I didn't do the SFIV review as Capcom supplied code that needed a debug console, which I don't have :( Looking forward to reading Simon Parkin's thoughts tomorrow though

@ CaoSlayer

Dan's dad eh? Guess you can never know too much SF Trivia :D
Krelle
15/02/09 @ 13:14
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Isnt it the common opinion that 3strike is the best SF to date? Im confused..
TommyUnderwear
15/02/09 @ 13:43
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Can't wait for the game to be honest. Half of my work mates are all gagging for this game to be released. There are gonna be some good online battles to be had over the coming months.

Matt - care to give an unofficial score??
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15/02/09 @ 13:56
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Hi Mat.. Great article. Might be worth mentioning that 'Mike' in Street Fighter evolved into 'M.Bison' in the Street Fighter 2 series. M.Bison being Balrog in the original japanese version before the oversees versions switched the bosses names up to avoid run ins with Mike Tyson's lawyers. This brings the total of characters to seven, ahead if the six mentioned in the article, who migrated over to the later games. Not trying to be too anal, but if your gonna include Eagle in his later incarnation, we might as well be completist about things 8)
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15/02/09 @ 14:46
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What a great article.

I remember the original SFII surfacing through the pages of CVG and EGM and the hype was incredible. Luckily it lived up to the hype, which then started again on the release of the incredible SNES conversion. I remember seeing it running for the first time in a games shop in Manchester near the old Corn Exchange. Think that shop got destroyed in the bomb.

I'm not a huge fan of fighters but the original and the Turbo edition still stand up well today IMHO
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15/02/09 @ 14:54
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Great article, I had forgotten how many SF games there were. Must have spent a fair whack at my local leisure centre on the X-Men one, to think it was the best part of 12 years ago... /feels old
Matt_Edwards
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@ TommyUnderwear

"Matt - care to give an unofficial score??"

Well I can't say anything from a Eurogamer perspective, but when I reviewed the SFIV arcade for gamesTM magazine last year, I gave it a 9. And from what I've played of the 360 version so far, the online is very tight ;)

@ Telemikus

I see your point about Mike evolving into Balrog but it was confirmed that they were definitely different characters in the "All About Capcom" book. This article was originally only supposed to be 2000 words long, the one I submitted before editing was over 7000. I couldn't include everything :s
Zaltan
15/02/09 @ 15:27
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They need to do another Capcom VS SNK game...
FenderMaster
15/02/09 @ 16:45
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that was a great read!! nice work Matt
CunningLinguist
15/02/09 @ 16:58
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Pitty 3rd strike never had a PAL release on the PS2, have to play it on MAME.
ilmaestro
15/02/09 @ 17:39
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Good stuff, Matt, would be cool if you could hop over to the forum and give us your thoughts on some of the console-specific aspects of SFIV. :)

"Third Strike was simply classic 2D fighting perfection. It didn't get bogged down with 50 characters"

No, they settled for three. ;)

Also, I think an auto spellchecker didn't like "Daigo" too much. ^^;
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15/02/09 @ 17:40
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Can't be right, two of my mates have Street Fighter 3 on the PS2, in the UK. Not imported or anything.
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15/02/09 @ 18:24
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Good article there, and a fine example of how you can explain the more complex SF game mechanics without just using the strange names Capcom come up with for them - this article effectively had a glossary with the "Mechanics" sections, but actually didn't need one as it was written clearly enough anyway, whereas recent SF4 previews that could really have done with a glossary to make sense didn't have one.

Anyway, I entirely understand why you'd go with SF3 as the best of the series to date as it's clearly as honed and balanced a game as you'll see anywhere. However, as someone who's never been prepared to really learn the strengths of weaknesses of every character, I pick Marvel vs Capcom 2 every time. It's for exactly the reasons you give in the article - despite all the complex stuff in there it's incredibly easy to pick up and have a laugh, and even if you don't know what you're doing the game will still reward you with over-the-top effect after over-the-top effect. Plus, it's hard to dislike a game where I can repeatedly beat my actually-quite-good-at-beat-em-ups friend by picking cactus man Amingo who, for some reason, he finds so irritating that he loses his composure and makes it easier for me to hit him.
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15/02/09 @ 18:57
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great read, thanks
reading about these street fighters brings back alot of good memories, i hope street fighter4 encapsulates the whole SF experience into one package. Can't wait.

Gaol
15/02/09 @ 19:21
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Great history write up, and that 3rd strike you tube link never gets old.
Ryze
15/02/09 @ 19:47
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@CunningLinguist

The Xbox version plays flawlessly on the 360. That's the version I play.

It's on the Streetfighter Anniversary collection along with Hyper Streetfighter II
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Ninja_Tino
15/02/09 @ 20:20
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Yo Matt, whoever you may be, I loved reading it, thanks.
Emilia'sHorse
15/02/09 @ 20:26
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I bought a SNES just to play SF2Turbo..happy days. I was shit, but I still loved it.

Excellent read thanks.
mattigan
15/02/09 @ 20:29
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Great article, really loving the new EG weekend schedule.
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15/02/09 @ 20:59
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Great article, but came at a BAD time. I'm totally buzzing about SFIV on Friday and seriously can't wait any longer >.<

I've ordered my Arcade FightStick today!!

FRIDAY PLEASE
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15/02/09 @ 21:45
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Great article.

SF3 may have been the best 2D fighting game ever made, but I couldn't bear to play it because it had probably the worst cast I've ever seen in a fighting game. I'm glad to see Capcom abandoned all of those characters for SF4.
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15/02/09 @ 21:48
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Matt - that was a great read, thanks. I'm getting very hyped for SF4 now.
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15/02/09 @ 22:08
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Stopped caring at Super SF II. Street Fighter II (and CE) are timeless classic but SF II went rapidly downhill after that. Never did fully understand the love for Super SF II Turbo. It sucks. SF III sucks, and SF IV looks sucky.
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Matt, great article, great knowledge of street fighter there, it has made me look forward to next week even more, if thats possible!

@N@ i'm sorry you missed out and will miss out on some amazing moments in gaming.

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DaRockwilder1
16/02/09 @ 00:27
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Top read Matt, Thanks :)
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16/02/09 @ 01:02
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Awesome article Matt. My personal favourite was Alpha 3 though. I could never get into SFIII (probably for those same reasons you said).
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Haha, always one to be different, I think 3rd Strike has the best cast of any SF game easily.. (like, see my EG name and gamertag...) however I still rate ST and HDR to be better games. At least they have more than 3 characters ... ;) (cheers ilmaestro that made me laugh)
ilmaestro
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Heh, glad that someone caught it. :D
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A real labour of love, Matt - nice one! :)

I've got progressively worse at Street Fighter as I've got older, so for me nothing beats SFII Turbo on the SNES (though I've enjoyed HD and I'm looking forward to IV!)

Again, great article. Great to see the retro section being used to give context to new releases of older titles :)
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16/02/09 @ 09:18
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Very nice article, makes me lament for my student days (91-95) when I essentially lived in my local arcade. (LA in edinburgh)
The joys of using guile to reset the cabinet on the 5th credit from a pound so we could moan that it had turned off again and get another 5 creds ;) .. or getting someone in the handcuffs and leaving the cabinet to go grab some lunch so the creds were still there when we got back.

/wonders why arcades dwindled away...

I also have fond memories of waiting outside the arcade for it to open at 10am on the day CE arrived...
The first weekend I had my first car I drove from Edinburgh to London with a mate to take place in an alpha 2 comp in namco(soho) I was so tired after the 7 hour drive i couldn't play for shit and ended up 3rd (with chun-li)

anyone else an ex-regular of a.g.sf2 ?

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Darkbeat
16/02/09 @ 09:58
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Actually Sagat lost his eye to Dan's father who then killed him for taking it.
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16/02/09 @ 10:04
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Excellent article, thanks Matt.
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16/02/09 @ 10:19
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RE: SF and the pressue senstive pads. I too have seen and played this in my youth. It was in an arcade in Blackpool (naturally) and consisted of my brother controlling Ryu with the joystick whilst I headbutted the very large punch and kick pads (I was only 10 at the time).
retr0gamer
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I'm nit sure about the SF2 combos being the result of a bug. I've heard this a lot and it seemed to be just a rumour with no merit until some publications got wind of the idea and ran with it (like Games TM). Any source or reference for this?

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