Red Steel

Published 16 October, 2006

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  • Razz #1 6 years ago

    Game looks alright, but these are hardly the best screenies in the world :/

  • Pirotic #2 6 years ago

    Ugly url overlay in the bottom left. spoils some otherwise good screenshots!

  • Wayne #3 6 years ago

    Anyone else think the enemies look like sprites?

  • Nikanoru #4 6 years ago

    Oh, that's funny, Furby, because I get the same feeling about the PS3 each time I look at its Dual Shock 1.02. Then I remember there are so many many zombies just like you.


    On topic: the screenshots look pretty damn good, especially the last one with the detailed artwork in those textures.

  • Teeth #5 6 years ago

    Yes, pretty dismal. These shots look current-gen, and I was expecting more from the Wii, although I'm sure future games will look much better (launch games are always pinch-of-salt affairs). We've all said it though, it's about the gameplay and if it has it then it has it.

    IMO it's an awful game concept anyway, and doesn't interest me in the slightest. I guess some people will love it, though.

  • albundy #6 6 years ago

    This game has "cynical use of the Wiimote" written all over it. I don't have a crystal ball, but I'm betting any money you like that the back of the box will go Hell for leather in extolling the virtue of actually been able to swing a sword in real-time. Swords and guns in one game? Not sure I've ever seen that before. Three guesses why both first-person implements have been incorporated into this game. Methinks I smell "this is what the Wiimote can do" gimmick coming off my PC monitor.....

  • Teeth #7 6 years ago

    Yes of course - this is only to be expected from the first wave of games though. Hopefully (or at least I hope that) the launch window titles don't dictate the gameplay of the rest of the lifecycle's games. It didn't for the DS, in my opinion.

    You can't sell a system to new people by offering them something subtle. You wouldn't expect to get most people interested in cinema by showing them Stalker followed by Koyaanisqatsi followed by The Enigma Of Kaspar Hauser. You, of course, would argue that such refined offerings have no value at all, preferring as you do your mainstream products. Unforunately for that argument, any market would soon bottom out if the mainstream was all that was allowed to get there. In any event, they need to demonstrate the principles of the system in macro before concentrating on the micro.

  • Razz #8 6 years ago

    Koyaanisqatsi

  • UncleLou #9 6 years ago

    Didn't know they were doing a DS version! Looks pretty good.

  • smelly #10 6 years ago

    Lots of fanboy trolls on here then?

    Look at one games screenshots, and therefor judge the entire systems graphical capabilities on it! Sigh.

    meh.. while you're masturbating over your pretty pixels and trying desperately to justify to everyone on forums why that was the best 600 quid you ever spent on a games machine.. Those of us who dont care, will be busy having fun.

    If you care THAT much about gfx, may I suggest a copy of Myst to wank over?

  • UncleLou #11 6 years ago

    Fanboy of what, exactly? Non-ugly screenshots?

  • Teeth #12 6 years ago

    A fanboy or a troll is anyone who disagrees with smelly, either explicitly or indirectly. If the disagreement is quite great, then the person in question is amost certainly both (a "fanboy troll").

  • Teeth #13 6 years ago

    Fanboy, troll or both? You, the reader, may decide.

  • albundy #14 6 years ago

    How many times must I point out my reluctance to hop aboard the PlayStation-slagging bandwagon? I do not hate Nintendo for hates sake, because I perceive them to be a 'threat'. I hate them for shitty little comments like Smelly made. i bet he thought that the Nintendo 64 was more fun than the PlayStation. And the same for the Gamecube to the PlayStation 2. Well, on both counts, he would be completely, totally and utterly wrong. and looking at the next 12 month lineup on the Xbox 360, starting this fall, gaming on the console has some special nights ahead of it............

  • [$mooth] EcToX #15 6 years ago

    Jeez Bundy man, calm down a bit. It's only a game...

  • Teeth #16 6 years ago

    Somehow, I think if you can't learn to live with other people's opinions, like the possibility that someone might have found the n64 more fun than the ps1 for the games they owned, overall, then you may not be here much longer.

  • UncleLou #17 6 years ago

    The more of albundy's posts I read, the more I like the screenshots. It's like driniking and finding the lonely lady in the bar more and more attractive.

  • Teeth #18 6 years ago

    lol!

  • albundy #19 6 years ago

    Until you wake up the next morning and realise just what an awful bloody mistake you've just made.....

  • ProfessorLesser #20 6 years ago

    "i bet he thought that the Nintendo 64 was more fun than the PlayStation."

    Bastard, eh?

    The strange thing is, albundy, you can actually be right about things. Quite often (or at least, you're right about the same thing quite often).

    But... for the love of christ just shut up about it!

  • albundy #21 6 years ago

    I've always said. As soon as 'certain' people stop acting like the Wii is gaming delivered upon a white chariot horse, and that all X360 and PS3 games are the same things over and over with 'shiny' graphics, then that'll be the day I zip it.

    Look at the last gen. Splinter Cell was a huge evolutionary leap on the previously virgin stealth subgenre. Max Payne was the 'first' 'Matrix' videogame, giving rise to Stranglehold. Knights of the Old Republic was revolutionary in itself, as it was the first to really immerse you in the mythos of the Star Wars films, in making you feel like a powerful Jedi Knight with an important destiny before him. Brothers in Arms took the ailing WWII genre, and late in the last gen, turned the concept on its head, in giving us an FPS RTS game, that felt more like Band of Brothers, unlike other WWII games which feel more like Doom: 1945. Prince of Persia built on the limited but popular Tomb Raider model of the PlayStation era, to give us a modern, fluid and dynamic platformer (although I still think TRL is better).

    Notice something here? Innovation in the last gen DID happen. Maybe not everyone noticed it, because it didn't come self-importantly with a new (and needless) controller, but it was there all along, and right under our noses too. Sure, there was a lot of dross in amongst it too. So? Most movies and albums are shit. It's the unfortunate adverse effect of being mainstream. More dollar-eyed cowboys hop on board. But overall, the last gen brought us some really innovative and groundbreaking games. And I only mentioned Xbox there. What of Resident Evil 4's reinvention of the survival horror genre? What of Ico's and SotC's artistic and emotional splendour? Who new circa 2000 that we would have received such magnificent games? And I tell you something for fucking nothing. Come 2010, we will be saying the same things about the X360 and PS3. If Nintendoites want to delude themselves into thinking that games wont evolve on the powerhouses, then that's their business. Because they WILL.

  • Furbs #22 6 years ago

    He's a man on crusade!! He wont rest until the internets are safe from people who dare to think the Wii might be something different!!

    He's an unstoppable force of nature. He's double the trouble Wii ever had. He's a man on the edge. He's...albundy. Cleaning up the web since 2006.

  • Dirtbox #23 6 years ago

    What's he going on about with all that lower ceiling shite?

    Seems alright to me if you're not that tall. Anyway, the room is loads bigger.

  • lucky_jim #24 6 years ago

    Al, you've actually got a good point there among the ranting, namely that the last gen had it's share of innovative games (although many of your examples are evolutionary more than revolutionary) and that it's a bit daft to think a new controller is the answer to everything. Your point would hit home a lot harder if it wasn't smothered with unfathomable, zealous hatred of Nintendo- who after all, are only a games company. Try and understand that, as strange as it might seem to you, some of us actually like Nintendo's games and are interested in the direction they're taking (especially given what the DS has done for handhelds- I thought that would be a gimmick but I can't put mine down nowadays). Wouldn't the world be dull if we were all the same?

  • albundy #25 6 years ago

    Many people say the same thing. I make a lot of exceelent points, which are oft ruined by my over-zealous anti rants. Fair enough. But I wouldn't feel this way if Wii extollers didn't have such a snobby attitude, and dismissed the Xbox 360 out of hand, with the implication that it is the console for braindead chavs and chavistas. A 12 month lineup that includes both sequels and original content, in Halo 3, Forza 2, Fable 2, Gears of War, Mass Effect and Dead Rising, is NOT one to be pooh-poohed on. Not least when you add the consoles Live Arcade and media capabilities on top of that. The Xbox 360 (and the PS3 too, I'm sure) has some exciting times and games ahead of it, and PLENTY of innovation, fun, excitement and new ideas tm to boot. If Nintendophiles would just acknowledge that, and stop acting all high and mighty, like the Wii is the bastion for greatness and the champion of videogames, whilst the other two seek to destroy our industry with their 'wrong' shooters, racing games and the like, then I woud quit my hellbent crusade to point out to the starry-eyed Nintendoite the every flaw and misconception of and behind Nintendo. Not least of which is the fact that the DS' touchscreen IS largely a gimmick. Few games on the thing NEED it in order to be made possible, and people forget that the DS comes with a very, very, very generic and standard D-Pad and controller setup, which allows the touchscreen to be the luxury that it is.

  • Furbs #26 6 years ago

    Oh god, its even worse. He actually admits he's on a crusade.

    FFS al, do you realise how many hardcore Nintendo fans there are out there? And more to the point, what do you care what they say? Tell you what, do us all a favour and take your mission elsewhere - if I were you I'd start on the American sites. You'll find much better acceptance amoung the teenage fanboys over there.

  • albundy #27 6 years ago

    No, it's not a 'crusade' as such. It's offering an alternative viewpoint to the web of lies by those who wish to push themselves forward as the only 'right' way. For instance, this whole DS thing. Let me give you an example of VITAL control inputs. Triggers on control pads. Ask any console gamers whether firing off rounds in a shooter, on manipulating the accelarator and the brake in a racer feel more tactile with a trigger, or with regular buttons. The addition of triggers on the DS3 are a testament to their undeniable impact. For you see, the DS' touchpad options are a nice thing to have. Don't misunderstand me. There is nothing negative about them, especially as they are not compromising conventional controls, as is happening on the Wii. BUT. The touchpad is not VITAL for many of its games. Except maybe for shooters, I guess. But then again, that's only because nobody has realised that handheld consoles are not deep enough for good control sticks, and that a trackball is the only way to go.
    Edited by albundy at 30/07/06 @ 01:14

  • albundy #28 6 years ago

    "FFS al, do you realise how many hardcore Nintendo fans there are out there? And more to the point, what do you care what they say?"

    Because hardcore Ninty fans do not just include internet fanboys. They also include the guys in the media who grew up on Nintendo games, and spread such false beliefs throughout the community as fact.

  • albundy #29 6 years ago

    "Games can't be fun unless they're photorealistic physics powerhouses."

    And what, pray tell, is your definition of photo-realistic? Did Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic fit that oft-mentioned 'realistic' tag?

  • Teeth #30 6 years ago

    If you don't post more succinctly people won't bother to read your posts and that's half the reason we all rip the shit out of you all the time. Some of your points are fine and makes sense but extracing them from your long-winded, offensive generalisation-filled posts is too much of a chore.

  • albundy #31 6 years ago

    Eh, my little brother has one, along with about 10-15 games, each of which I've played (although most only fleetingly, admittedly).

    Next point?

  • albundy #32 6 years ago

    Again, having played a wide assortment of its games, I'm sorry to say that I disagree.

  • albundy #33 6 years ago

    Never played it. I can only judge what of I've played.

  • albundy #34 6 years ago

    Metacritic score of 71. So, gimmicky game, which by game review score standards, is 'crap'.

    Let me rephrase. Most of the widely acclaimed GOOD DS games worth a damn, a few of which are in my brothers collection, are entirely non-touchpad compatable. NSMB, Metroid, Nintendogs, etc included.

  • albundy #35 6 years ago

    I'm not going to get into an itemized discussion with you. Obviously, SOME of the DS' 200+ games library will make essential use of the touchpad. Duh! I'm merely saying that the vast majority don't, from the reviews and previews I've read.

    The end.

  • albundy #36 6 years ago

    Some games make use of the lightgun or the steering wheel. Neither are proclaimed as being the "future of games".

  • albundy #37 6 years ago

    I never said otherwise.

    Still think it's pretty inflexible though, on the whole.

    Now, if you don't mind, I'm off to play some Pro Evo. No more questions pleased, lest I be implored to answer them.

  • albundy #38 6 years ago

    Not interested in that. I'm more interested to see how the sheer brute physics processing power of the Xbox 360 will make for a more fluid, dynamic, and tactile game of football. Maybe it is you with the grafix obsession?

  • albundy #39 6 years ago

    But hey, why not have both? An advanced physics system that makes the game seem more real and responsive, AND great graphics. Because you see, on the Xbox 360, it is possible to have both.

    By the way, you never did explain whether or not Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic counted as being photo-realistic or not.....

  • albundy #40 6 years ago

    "Don't let me keep you from such innovative heights as Pro Evo (2, 3, 4, 5, 6?)."

    And you Pokemon Blue, Red, Yellow, Gold, Magenta, Silver, Platinum, Green-mixed-with-yellow-=-another-Blue.........

  • UncleLou #41 6 years ago

    Man, I was hoping for some rebuttals from smelly this morning, but all we get is albundy embarassing himself even further, and falling into frod's logic trap. :-/

  • albundy #42 6 years ago

    "Albundy over 21 Million DS sold much more than PSP's. Maybe people do like the new way to play games i.e. DS over graphics PSP."

    Not that I care either way, because for me, iPod pwns handheld gaming, but I'd LOVE to know how different things would be if the PSP was £100-150. I really, truly, honestly would. Because you see, nobody is going to buy a handheld for what the PSP is currently priced. Every consumer good has a tactily agreed price ceiling. For instance, a HDTV can start at £1000 and people will see that as being 'fair'. But would they feel the same for a games console? Hell no. And the PSP is a victim of Sony's own stupidity, just as they are potentially pricing themselves out of the market with the PS3. If the PSP had been significantly cheaper, then I would bet you any money that the gap between it and the dS would have been miniscule. If anything, the PSP may possibly have been leading by now, because were PSP such a price, I would easily but it over a DS. But it ain't, so I wouldn't touch it with yours.

  • Furbs #43 6 years ago

    Congrats frod. That was an VERY impressive piece of pwnage. And extremely concise too.

    /doffs cap

  • KraftWerk #44 6 years ago

    Well, my mom would never have considered playing a videogame until I showed her Animal Crossing on my DS. Now, she steals (and keeps) my DS every time I visit home, and wants me to buy a DS lite so she can have the old one. That upcoming 42-board-games-thingamajig will be perfect for her as well.

    Without the touchpad, that would just never have happened.

  • Tango #45 6 years ago

    What's wrong with you ppl? Just buy the Xbox360 now, and then a Wii when it comes out.

    Easy really.

  • smelly #46 6 years ago

    HAHA!

    Look my point was (and admitidely i didnt make it very well), is that people seem to be judging not just ONE game on a handful of screenshots.

    Which imho is stupid anyhows, how the hell anyone can judge a quality of a game based on a few static images is beyond me (otherwise myst would be the best game ever made).

    But they're judging the WHOLE SYSTEM on a handful of screenshots (which in themselves say nothing about how good or bad the game is) from ONE game!

    Personally this is one game i WONT be getting. I am bored to death of fps and racing games, which is the one reason i wont be buying a 360 or ps3 until they have announced some decent looking games which arent just that :-)


  • weaselrat #47 6 years ago

    PSP great graphics shit games poor sales compared to DS average graphics great games and outselling the psp nuff said to the fanboy dereks
    Edited by weaselrat at 05/08/06 @ 13:09

  • L0cky #48 6 years ago

    they're all called derek?!

  • weaselrat #49 6 years ago

    Yep, every single one of them!

  • smelly #50 6 years ago

    *Sigh*

    Ah well, the new shots look much better. As they've said on ign,the old shots were running on a cube, the new ones are running on full hardware.

    Still not as nice looking as zelda. But as those zelda shots look up there with most of the games i've seen on the 360, that's not a bad thing.

    Not that graphics means a hell of a lot anyhuws - look how popular the ps2 was.

  • Kami #51 6 years ago

    Aww... I missed all the fun...

    Looks alright though. If you think this game looks crap I do suggest going to Specsavers and getting your eyes tested, it's far from ugly. Okay, not a UE3 looker like most of the pretty 360 and PS3 games are going to be using, but a looker nonetheless. And the control mechanism does look like it could work very nicely too, some thought was put into it it seems and appears from what has been demonstrated to fit the style quite nicely.

    Though I won't be buying this one, not initially at least. Mario, Zelda, Metroid. And that will be the end of all my spare time until mid 2007 probably. Still, it's still looking like a very interesting concept, so I wouldn't write it off just yet...

    And as for the 360/PS3 vs Wii... Al made a point unintentionally when he said the PSP might sell more if it was cheaper. Spot on mate. Apply same logic to PS3.

  • smelly #52 6 years ago

    OH NO!!!!!

    his gun is PIXELATED!!! That's like the WORSE THING EVER!!!

    I've seen the light!!! I'm going to go and spend 600 quid on a ps3 so I dont get a pixelated gun!!!!


    I do find it funny, that these are the same people who probably couldnt notice how shit ps2 games looked when compared to the xb/gcube!


    >Wii Zelda was visually 360-esque?

    Sigh.

    I think you'll find that shot was from the original e3 showing where it was running on the cube..

    These screens look equally shit.. Im sure that EVEN THE PS2's huge power could cope with this!!


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    ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING!!!!


    Right, disclaimer time as there are obviously some REALLY BLOODY STUPID people on this site. Im NOT saying those shots are better than anything the ps3 or 360 could come up with. That'd be stupid, it's a gamecube game!!

    All im saying is that they look lovely enough to me not to care.

    They look stunning, having "real" hair, or a floppy fish? Yeah.. gonna make a HUGE difference that!

    If yer paying 500 quid to remove "the angular shape of his arms" then i personally think you have a screw loose.

    NOTE : IM NOT SLAGGING OFF THE OTHER TWO CONSOLES HERE BEFORE SOME F*CKWIT THINKS I AM.


  • Lex_Luthor #53 6 years ago

    It still reads like you are though.

  • Kami #54 6 years ago

    Speaking from a personal standpoint, I'll wait for my PS3 until there are games which speak to me. Metroid and Zelda already do so it makes sense that initially, my money will go on a Wii. But when PS3 has something that justifies the expenditure, then sure as hell I'll find a way to get one.

    But looks really aren't everything. There are lots of retro-releases that sell. There are rebirths of old classics. And there are some older games which can more than hold their own against the majority of the crap that gets released these days. Graphics are getting ever prettier, sure, but are they going to make the games better somehow? Should we really be that concerned over a few jaggy edges on an arm or a weapon? Do we really need bigger disc capacity?

    The truth of it for me is, the first year of PS3's life is going to be a bit boring. Lots of "Look at this! Look at the graphics! WE PWNZ J00!" stuff. Which is fine, if you are easily sold on looks alone. I'm not, hence I'd personally rather wait until people have stopped comparing the size of their joysticks and gotten down to realise that even beauty needs substance...

  • smelly #55 6 years ago

    Geesus.

    I said the screenshots were "up there" with the other two. I.e. good enough for me not to care/notice difference compared to games running on other machines. And no, i dont clasify "non floppy hair" as being something I care about.

    I DIDNT say that they were the SAME or BETTER than the other two could do.

    FFS!! Is it not allowed for someone to say something like that without causing people to cry to their mommies thinking the big bad man has said something bad about the console their going to buy...

    *sigh* - sometimes reading here makes me embarrased to be a gamer.



    Wii will be capable of producing. "No bigger a gap than there was between PS2 & Xbox", indeed!


    (looks how shit the ps2 was compared to the xbox..) - yip still stand by that comment! But Im obviously not standing by it with zelda - as its a cube game!!


  • chupachups #56 6 years ago

    "more proof of how the wii is going to struggle to keep up with the new machines"

    The same way the DS struggled to keep up with the PSP? :)

  • smelly #57 6 years ago

    @chupachups :

    Yeah, but look at the gun! Its Sooooo pixelated to a point that there's NO WAY you could enjoy that game!

    :-)

  • Lex_Luthor #58 6 years ago

    "The same way the DS struggled to keep up with the PSP? :)"

    I don't think he was talking about sales figures.

  • chupachups #59 6 years ago

    "I don't think he was talking about sales figures."

    Well what did he mean by "keep up"?

    If we're just talking about pure processing and graphics power, you can't beat a cutting edge PC, so why waste time bickering over consoles?

    The main reason people buy consoles instead of cutting edge PCs isn't because of consoles' technical abilities, which are inferior, but because they're much cheaper and more popular with gamers than PCs. Consoles get much better software support because of this popularity, as game publishers will publish the most games for the most popular formats.

    The Wii is the cheapest of all next gen consoles so that's one way it's ahead already. If the Wii becomes the most popular (definitely a possibility given the surprise success of the DS) then it'll also have the best software support.

    If Wii becomes the most popular console with the largest amount of software support, how is that failing to keep up?
    Edited by chupachups at 27/08/06 @ 22:23

  • Lex_Luthor #60 6 years ago

    Note the 'ifs' there. It's not guaranteed to emulate the DS' success. It certainly could, but nothing is set in stone.

  • smelly #61 6 years ago

    I dont think the "casual male" will be able to tell the difference between them all graphically anyhow.

    Just like this generation they'll happily believe whichever they're told is the best to be the best looking.

    The average "casual male" really does believe the ps2 was bwilliant in terms of graphics. And most fanboys will tell you that even something like RE4 looked as good on the ps2!!!!

    So most people cant actually tell the difference, so who cares?

    This ISNT going to be the huge leap we saw between the ps1 and dreamcast (wont say ps2 here for obvious reasons) the advances in graphics arent THAT good! People wont be able to tell the difference.

    Unless yer talking about something lame like a pixelated gun or non floppy hair (*sigh*)

  • smelly #62 6 years ago

    *sigh*

  • smelly #63 6 years ago

    And I aggree with you (and have never said otherwise).

  • smelly #64 6 years ago

    Benga : I dont agree with you at all here, but Im going to change tact a bit, and pretend I agree with you to get my main point across - as if i carry on trying to explain the other point it only seems to upset the 360 owners (And people who have sworn alegiance to the ps3), and that detracts from my actual points:


    Ah, but there's a difference between actual better graphics and PERCEIVEDLY better graphics.

    Im adamant that joe bloggs cant tell the difference. Just like the average guy in the street couldnt tell difference between ps2 and xbox graphics (and in some cases believed the ps2 to be superior??), the same will be true here.

    The cube was already quite powerful when used correctly (RE4 for example) giving that double the cpu and double the graphical capabilities (not to mention more memory/storage space), and it's not a big stretch of the imagination to imagine how great games COULD look on it.

    Red Steel obviously isnt one of those.

    I'm tempted to use a 360/ps3 game as an example here to prove my point. BUT I cant/wont as every time I do that, it just annoys the fanboys who start to cry that i've dared to slag off their machines (Which i havent done).

    So I'll leave it at that, and hope that someone gets the point of what im saying, as opposed to jumping in blindly crying about their poor ps3 being slagged off (even though it isnt).. *sigh*.

    Why are gamers so insecure that you cant discuss these things without upsetting them?
    Edited by smelly at 29/08/06 @ 10:23

  • smelly #65 6 years ago

    Im not defending it.

    Im just saying that the difference between low def games running on the other two in low def and games running on the wii (using its full capabilities) probably isnt going to be enough for people to notice the difference in a lot of cases.

    By a difference, im talking about the difference we saw between the ps1 and the dreamcast which was HUGELY different - few would argue that you'd never see the likes of shenmue on the ps1 (or possibly even ps2). That level of huge jump just hasnt happened, sure games have gone hi-def, but for the average joe who isnt going to upgrade his tv and is playing in lowdef, the jump between xbox and 360 games ISNT that vast.

    Sure draw distances are little bit further, you might have a few more shaders on, etc etc. But is this enoguh for joe bloggs to actually notice? There ISNT that big a jump as there was on ps1 to dreamcast/cube/xbox (if you discount the hidef graphics - which the vast majority of the population dont have access to).

    Not that it matters, as If you were THAT bothered about how great something looked graphically, we'd all ditch the consoles in favour of pc's running myst.

    Im not defending the Wii's graphics - just saying that they're probably irrelevent, If you look back in history 9 times out of 10 the most powerful console isnt the most succesful anyhows.

    i.e. ps2 more succesful than dreamcast, cube, xbox put together
    ps1 more succesful than n64
    snes more sucesful than megadrive
    spectrum more succesful than c64
    etc etc etc.

    Fanboys note how i've highlighted how succesful the playstation was there, so gawd knows how this can now be turned around to calling me anti sony or something lame.


    It's an argument you can't possibly win

    On the contrary, it seems that i've already won the argument as no-one seems to have contested the actual point of my argument, they're just getting niggly about some of the examples i've given.

    I'll hold off on this whole discussion for now though. When wii games are available in shops, and they're being shown running next to 360/ps3 games running in lowdef - then tell me if there is that big a difference regarding things that REALLY matter (i.e. not something poxy like not having floppy hair).


    Edited by smelly at 29/08/06 @ 12:32

  • smelly #66 6 years ago

    bloody hell, that was a long post.

  • Kami #67 6 years ago

    I think the cleverness people miss is that the Wii is being aimed as "The Second Console" and many do admit that Nintendo Wii could end up in their homes if the games and pricing are right. If they can pitch it as the budget choice and as the second console choice, then they've cornered a market that neither Sony nor Microsoft coould ever do - yes, the powerhouses will fight it out for "marketshare" but slowly, surely, the underdog, the cheap one, the second console will be creeping up in sales regardless of the actions of the big S-and-M. It's a remarkably clever strategy that many don't really think about, but it could end up that the Wii does outsell the other two combined. By not directly competing and not appearing as a contender, it co-exists with the big companies, and in doing so it could very well outdo them.

    Simple math really. 1 million PS3 owners and 1 million X-Box 360 owners. Each one buys a Wii as their second console. 1 million + 1 million = 2 million. There's a sense of logic (and indeed, perhaps a hint of irony) to this that puts a slight smirk on my face... and this is just an example in mathematical terms, nothing more.

    Of course, in the end it does come down to the consumers. PS3 and 360 will undoubtedly push forward the graphical prowess of console gaming, there is no denying or getting away from it - they will sell and the slagging match will be unbelievable between the two. But the small, cleverly designed and inoffensive budget Wii really has potential to cause some upset. Yes, it's not got the graphical oomph of the PS3 and 360, but that is missing the point entirely - the Wii is never going to compete on their own grounds.

  • MyPointIs #68 6 years ago

    All these screenshots are (at least) 2 times the resolution of the real game, and with added anti-aliasing. I played this at e3 and it looked bloody awful. A lot worse than these (decent) screenshots. In fact, it looked worse than most Gamecube games. And the Wiimote control was so bad (and slow) it was a joke. Sorry to burst a bubble.

  • smelly #69 6 years ago

    @MyPointIs : Who's bubble are you bursting?

    No-one on here has said the shots look any good!

    I personally totally agree, these are the worst wii shots i've seen so far.

    (erm, actually no, "rampage" takes that honour)

  • MisterFalseName #70 6 years ago

    Am I the only one to think these screenshots look really good, then? :(

  • smelly #71 6 years ago

    @MisterFalseName :

    Looks that way, but as i said before, most people cant tell difference between good graphics and bad ones - so your one of the "most people" i was talking about. Thanks for clarifying my point.

    Besides i read recently on ign that even these shots arent the latest ones, these are still from the E3 demo and the game is now much more polished graphically

    (but no shots to prove it - i'll believe when i see)

  • MisterFalseName #72 6 years ago

    Well, I'm still the only one in this thread that makes it seem unlikely that I'm in the majority, but fair enough.

    I think it's just that I'm not really that fussed about graphics. I'm sure I could find better, but for something with similar specs to an original xbox, I think these look pretty swish.

    I'd be happy with that kind of level, anyway.

  • markloveswii #73 6 years ago

    I like video games