Sony unveils GTA IV PS3 bundle

By Robert Purchese Published 23 April, 2008

Console, pad, game for GBP 320.

Sony has finally unveiled an official Grand Theft Auto IV PS3 bundle for Europe.

It will cost GBP 319.99 (EUR 400) and include a 40GB PS3 with a Sixaxis pad and a copy of the game. It has a pretty box, too.

"We are delighted to offer the millions of PS3 and GTA fans the ultimate gaming package," said David Reeves, boss of Sony Europe.

Retailers have the bundle ready to buy right now and promise delivery on the day of GTA IV release - 29th April.

Which version will you be buying, Eurogamer reader?

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  • Crea #1 4 years ago

    £320. POW.

  • Widge #2 4 years ago

    I will be buying the Amiga 1200 version

  • japstersam #3 4 years ago

    its still insanely priced, you could pick up a new 360, then buy this seperately for around £200

  • miiiguel #4 4 years ago

    320? ~ 400 Eur? Pricy..., well I guess everything goes to make some money before the "rumbled SKUs" (aka last-gen).

  • Aretak #5 4 years ago

    Wow... a mere £320 for the gimped model (and not even a Dual Shock 3) and one game. Sony, with these offers you are really spoiling us.

  • aldo_14 #6 4 years ago

    Bloody hell, I'd forgotten how expensive the PS3 was, then....POW.

    Admittedly, if I was buying a console I'd probably consider it for the Blu-Ray, but then again I'm not buying another console until I get a big shiny new TV, and I'm not buying that until I win the lottery, so....where was I?

  • BadBoyBonner #7 4 years ago

    Is the pad Dualshock 3 or the old non-rumble DualShock 2?

    GBP 319.99 looks a bit of a silly price after constanly watching the GTA IV MS advert with £159.99 for the console constantly banded about.

    Now we know that isn't the best value version, but Play.com are doing a 360 premium and the game for £199.99.

    This will really test how strong the connection is between PS and GTA brands.

  • mkreku #8 4 years ago

    I don't get it. Since it's not cheaper and the console itself doesn't look any different.. am I supposed to be wanting this because the BOX it comes in has a different picture printed on it..?

  • JohnnyWashnGo #9 4 years ago

    Bloody hell that is expensive.
    And not even a dual shock pad to soften the blow.
    They really are raping the europeans without even thinking twice about it.

  • Steroyd #10 4 years ago

    STILL undecided as to wether to get this game or not. :|

  • NthSimulachum #11 4 years ago

    Sony doesn't seem to have cottoned on that games consoles aren't Veblen goods.

  • LazyDan #12 4 years ago

    Isn't a bit late notice for this kind of announcement? Do they really think a sizeable amount of people will be able to see this announcement today and then go "You know what, I'm going to completely unexpectedly splurge £320 in 6 days." People don't pull money out of thin air, this kind of thing normally has to be planned and saved for - and surely most launch day GTA4ers have already decided how they're getting it. What I'm saying is this announcement surely would've been better a month ago.

    Then there's the fact it's actually a shit deal anyway. Interesting.

  • bad09 #13 4 years ago

    Hmm, like BadBoyBonner said with MS shouting the £159 console price on the ad I don't think this price will do 'em any favours, but to be honest it's only £20 more than I expected it to be.

    As for putting Sixaxis in this new bundle even after they have said they are being phased out, that is an outright piss take, shocking.

    Edit - @ LazyDan

    I don't really think this is for launch. This is for all those people who pick up GTA and a console after they hear how good it is a few weeks/months down the line (just like what happened with GTA3, VC & SA.)
    Edited by bad09 at 23/04/08 @ 11:27

  • BadBoyBonner #14 4 years ago

    JohnnyWashanGo

    Surely they are only "enticing" you to be raped?

  • monkey-ken-wizard #15 4 years ago

    Is it coming out on the ST?

  • Aretak #16 4 years ago

    "Is the pad Dualshock 3 or the old non-rumble DualShock 2?"

    You're getting confused. The Dual Shock 2 is the PS2's controller and has rumble. The Sixaxis is the non-rumbling PS3 one, with the Dual Shock 3 being the proper controller.

  • systems #17 4 years ago

    But... what's the point of this bundle? The PS3 is £259 and the game is £40 tops. So for £20 I'm getting a different box?

    In the US the same bundle gets a Dualshock 3.

  • Skooch #18 4 years ago

    I don't get it. Since it's not cheaper and the console itself doesn't look any different.. am I supposed to be wanting this because the BOX it comes in has a different picture printed on it..?

    @ mkreku +1

    I couldn't agree more. This bundle is expensive and provides no value for money for the consumer. MS are making Sony look silly with GTA IV...

  • Fallschirmjaeger #19 4 years ago

    Why is everyone saying this is expensive? A 40GB already costs €400, so basically you get a discount of €60-€70 if you buy this bundle instead of a Ps3 and GTA4 separately.

  • BadBoyBonner #20 4 years ago

    Aretak

    Thanks for correcting the typo (can't say I take that much notice of the wording on the pad when I go round to my mates) - I guess the important bit is that the bundled pad is the one which has no haptic feedback.

    Should it be called the Dual-Shock 3 Sixaxis Rumble Free Mark One? ;-)

  • miiiguel #21 4 years ago

    "Why is everyone saying this is expensive?"
    Because it is?, we can argue its value, but for a entertainment system it is expensive.

  • awb83 #22 4 years ago

    to bloody expensive

  • Xerx3s #23 4 years ago

    "its still insanely priced, you could pick up a new 360, then buy this seperately for around £200"

    Better yet, you have been able to order the GTA/360 bundle at play for months now.

  • ostrasized #24 4 years ago

    360 Elite - 120 Gb HD, HDMI cable, Rumbling controller - £260
    GTAIV - £40
    Total - £300

    PS3 box set - 40Gb HD, No HDMI cable, No rumbling controller - £320
    HDMI cable - £20
    Rumbling controller £20+
    Total - £360

    Sony, you thieving scum ;-)

  • Paulanator #25 4 years ago

    @Arbiter

    The fact remains that you can get a Premium 360 and a copy of the game for £200. That's £120 less than this bundle and no matter how you cut it that's pretty bad.

    I'd rather have the £120 change to do with as I see fit.
    Edited by Paulanator at 23/04/08 @ 11:38

  • Skooch #26 4 years ago

    @Arbiter - yes, but for spending £50 less you get a far superior controller and 80Gb more space, there's no need to install games at 5Gb a go, you get a great back catalogue of games and the best exclusives. True, all this can be offset by blu-ray, for all those millions of people with a library of blu-ray movies at home, actually on second thoughts...

  • miiiguel #27 4 years ago

    Someone has to pay for that costly Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD "war". Start buying some serious Blu-Ray movies and things will lighten up a bit, imo.

  • BadBoyBonner #28 4 years ago

    ostrasized

    Who the Frack would want to spend an extra £100 to get an Elite as opposed to the new Premium from play for £199 WITH GTA IV?

  • ostrasized #29 4 years ago

    @ BadBoyBonner - No idea. My point was that even comparing like-for-like, Sony are still ripping people off.

  • JHuxley #30 4 years ago

    @ostrasized - and where is the cost of Blu-Ray playback in that little price comparison? Also £20 is too much for a HDMI cable. £10 at the most or you're getting ripped off. :S

    Fact is, if you want Blu-Ray playback the PS3 is still good VFM. If you don't it's not. Get a 360 instead.

  • Bartacus #31 4 years ago

    SONY you make me laugh put a DS3 in the box & then it might be worth considering at £299.

    You will have to rely on morons to buy this i certainly wont.

  • miiiguel #32 4 years ago

    No matter what the HDMI cable costs, that "litle thing" not beeing included is pathetic to say the least. Would Sony bankrupt if they include a damn HDMI cable with the box? I can't understand that. Even more when before it camne out they screamed "oh look we have HDMI and 360 doesn't!".

  • JHuxley #33 4 years ago

    True enough miiiguel, they really should include a HDMI cable in the box. Mean not to. Just like it's mean of MS not to include charge packs with their wirelerss controllers. Swings and roundabouts, you know?

  • FullSPecWarrior #34 4 years ago

    @ostracized

    A 360 Elite and a pS3 are not comparable hardware.

    Add £60 for wifi dongle and £40 to get online and now the Elite is more expensive than the PS3 and still doesn't play blu-rays.
    If you just want a GTA4 machine then a 360 is cheaper but don't pretend that a 360 Elite is a similar spec to a PS3 because it isn't.

    I'm importing my copy of GTA4 for 31.99GBP anyway so it's all good here.

  • miiiguel #35 4 years ago

    Agree it should come with the 360's bundle, I mean, my cheap wireless mouse came with one of those.

  • BadBoyBonner #36 4 years ago

    JHuxley

    The HDMI difference can probably be offset to some degree by the fact you can't buy a New Dual-Shock 3 Now with Rumble Mark Two pad and have it delivered from anywhere for £20?

    In addition

    Seems the GTA IV advert is making the PS3's perceived value drop to the masses - many on here would find it hard to believe (myself included but it seems to be true) there are still millions of homes out there without a HD TV set - so the Blu- Ray addition is inconsequential (obviously if they have a crap TV uncompressed 7.1 audio is probably not going to be swaying them either);

    Retro versions

    As for the Amiga and St versions - I've read that the ST and A500 need the 1 Meg Ram pack and that the A1200 can get by with half a Meg - but all versions need to have 3 external disk drives to get the streaming geometry to work properly (the game is a monster and comes on 4 disks), other wise you have to disk swap when you move to different sections of the City.

    EDIT - just read that you need Kickstart 1.3 or above for it to work on the A500. Damn my original machine!
    Edited by BadBoyBonner at 23/04/08 @ 11:54

  • Xerx3s #37 4 years ago

    mem: CAPSLOCK - CRUISECONTROL FOR AWESOME!

  • Eighthours #38 4 years ago

    Overpriced insanity. This could have made a killing if it was a few quid cheaper.

  • Carlo #39 4 years ago

    /faints with amazement

  • bushwod #40 4 years ago

    "360 Elite - 120 Gb HD, HDMI cable, Rumbling controller - £260
    GTAIV - £40
    Total - £300

    PS3 box set - 40Gb HD, No HDMI cable, No rumbling controller - £320
    HDMI cable - £20
    Rumbling controller £20+
    Total - £360"

    Giving all the fan boys on the forums something to flame about - PRICELESS

  • Xerx3s #41 4 years ago

    "Add £60 for wifi dongle and £40 to get online and now the Elite is more expensive than the PS3 and still doesn't play blu-rays.
    If you just want a GTA4 machine then a 360 is cheaper but don't pretend that a 360 Elite is a similar spec to a PS3 because it isn't. "

    Playing online over wifi is shit, you can have a superiour connection for 5 quid. I paid 7 € for this years online and have no interest in BRD atm (not in this console cycle anyway). So no, it really isn't cheaper. Just because you chose to have optional things shuved down your throat doesn't mean that others do as well.
    So yes, the ps3 is a similar spec machine for me.

  • bad09 #42 4 years ago

    @bushwod

    LOL That was pricless friend! :)

  • dazzaman #43 4 years ago

    @FullSpecWarrior - Movietyme per chance. Got my Dualshock 3 off them - 1 week delivery time, it does mean Gta 4 won't arrive till about a week after everyone else gets it I think!!! I decided I'm tight enough to live with it.

    Apols for going off thread

    Edit: Typos
    Edited by dazzaman at 23/04/08 @ 12:01

  • WinterSnowblind #44 4 years ago

    Not a particularly good deal and it may be too late. The 360 ads are all over websites and have been on TV constantly.
    This certainly isn't going to make me say "Wow, I need the PS3 version!"

  • bushwod #45 4 years ago

    @WinterSnowblind

    Your spot on. I don't think I've seen a single PS3 GTA4 advert.

    If I wasn't a keen gamer it would be easy to think this was an xbox only title.

    EDIT: typo
    Edited by bushwod at 23/04/08 @ 12:09

  • Killerbee #46 4 years ago

    Hmmmm... nah, sorry, it's still no sale for me.

    The main problems are:

    - it's at least £20 too expensive
    - no Dualshock 3
    - the faint hope and possibility that they might bring out an 80GB MGS4 bundle with B/C and a Dualshock 3 that I'd kick myself if I didn't wait for

    Come on Sony, sort it out!

  • Prodigy_BE #47 4 years ago


    360 Elite - 120 Gb HD, HDMI cable, Rumbling controller - £260
    GTAIV - £40
    Total - £300

    PS3 box set - 40Gb HD, No HDMI cable, No rumbling controller - £320
    HDMI cable - £20
    Rumbling controller £20+
    Total - £360

    Sony, you thieving scum ;-)

    Xbox 360
    + 50 euro's a year for online gaming
    + 20 euro's for a gamepad battery charging pack

    PS3
    + Blu-ray capacity
    + much quieter console
    + MGS4 in six weeks, and a better Holiday line-up

    Not that I hate 360, I own all three consoles, but you have to admit that the cards don't bode well for MS, now that they've lost a lot of major Xbox 360 exclusive devs. Bioware, Bizare Creations, Bungie... even Capcom's are all multiplatform now. And Sony has a massive amount of in-house of Sony exclusive studios. That kinda kicks one leg from under 360's strongest aspect.

    Looking into the future, PS3 is a safer bet. And the public knows it, the monthly sales are the proof of that.

  • mooseman721 #48 4 years ago

    Its not really a surprise is it? It cost 300 before GTA4. You can get one for 300 with 1 game of your choosing and a blu-ray disk at gamestation. And it's not that pricey really because all the cost is up front (controller battery pack, wi-fi, hard drive, free online play, blu-ray). I can see why people might go cheap though, 200 looks better even if you end up paying more eventually as you don't have to stump it all up in one go.

  • bad09 #49 4 years ago

    @Killerbee

    Don't worry that 80gb, BC, dS3 MGS4 bundle will come. How do I know? I didn't wait for it, so with my luck I know it's coming :)

  • MrGilder #50 4 years ago

    For me, i'm still going for the PS3 version of GTA IV.. My launch Xbox still hasn't RRoD on me and I think that GTA would be the game to overheat my old and tiring 360..

  • miiiguel #51 4 years ago

    Prodigy_BE, and the rings and the noise...

    err..., what was the article about?

  • Moz #52 4 years ago

    @systems But... what's the point of this bundle? The PS3 is £259 and the game is £40 tops. So for £20 I'm getting a different box?

    In the US the same bundle gets a Dualshock 3.

    Where you get that price from?? the PS3 is £299.99 in GAME and 289.99 on Play with 299.99 as the stated rrp.

  • Frandroid #53 4 years ago

    Play are already offering this for £300 instead of £320. I'm sure I saw GAME advertising the same bundle at £300 too, but I don't see it on their website now. It was a retailer bundle rather than a boxed edition tho'.

    360 Premium plus GTAIV for £200 is probably the best deal going, I just don't see the value of the Elite when all it gives you is the larger hard drive and an HDMI cable. Maybe that's just me tho', as I don't use the HDD for much.

    Beaten by Moz on pricing info... Damn you! :o)
    Edited by Frandroid at 23/04/08 @ 12:21

  • miiiguel #54 4 years ago

    I don't think no one would be "tied" after spending 200 Eur. I mean, I spend that on fuel per month, it's not really a marriage contract, is it?

    That said I need an excuse to buy a PS3, and so far Sony seems to be trying hard to make me change me mind.
    Edited by miiiguel at 23/04/08 @ 12:19

  • alimokrane #55 4 years ago

    Did Sony not see this or what ??? Premium360 + GTA4 For £199.99

    Seriously £320 to play GTA4 when you can play it for £200
    Edited by alimokrane at 23/04/08 @ 12:19

  • BadBoyBonner #56 4 years ago

    MrGlider

    If your old 360 ran Crackdown - it should be fine with GTA IV. Both of my 360's are originals and neither has failed.

    Every demo of the game has seemingly been on 360 (when mentioning button layout in game etc) I find it hard to believe Rockstar would show the worst version every time. From that you could guess that at best the PS3 version will be identical - or perhaps more likely after the PS3 no-shows, slightly worse.

    That said I feel sure either version will be genre defining.

  • Buztafen #57 4 years ago

    End of the day, until Sony start bundling an 80gb+ PS3, with BC, 4 USB's, a DS3 controller and a decent game for a decent price...they can literally go fu*k themselves. They can dress it up anyway they want, its still half the machine the rest of the world is getting.....

  • Killerbee #58 4 years ago

    @bad09:

    It's happened to me before - I bought myself a black DS about a week before those nice shiny silver ones got launched. :( At least the features are all the same, I suppose.

    I've been waiting for the 80GB model (with backwards compatibility) ever since the old 60Gb one disappeared from retail. It's been a long, long wait...

  • Les #59 4 years ago

    Haven't seen any ads for any version. But then again, don't watch much TV and they're probably aired next to the kiddy shows... Makes sense though that MS advertises it heavily. They put in 50m for DLC that they want to earn back so they'll need to sell a lot of copies. And of course the xbox brand is less connected with the GTA franchise.

    Anyway, I predict it'll still be a boring sandbox game with lots of compromises to the engine (poor framerate, cars and people disappearing in thin air if you look the other way, etc.) lots of variety in gameplay but not a single mechanism that's executed particularly well that will get rave reviews and outsell Halo 3. But it will not even create a dent in Wii's position as champion of this generation.

  • lsursock #60 4 years ago

    Eurogamer is more like UKgamer.. anyways

    In France the GTA IV PS3 pack is sold for 439 EUR, while the XBOX 360 has the following offer going:

    Buy any XBOX 360 pack + GTA IV and get a 60 EUR refund

    in addition a core XBOX 360 pack will be launched on May 7 consisting of:

    Xbox 360 core + 2 pads + PGR 4 + Halo 3 + 512mb all for the sweet price of 199 EUR.

    As a result combining the pack above with GTA IV refund will get you the 360 with 3 top games and 2 pads (1 wireless, 1 wired) for 209 EUR

    Completely insane...

  • miiiguel #61 4 years ago

    @Les, damn I get depressed when I read this guy's posts. Apocalypse knight.

    /lunch time, fuck!/

  • Les #62 4 years ago

    'Serious question: Is the 360 Core system really good value? Or is it a cynical con-job that long-term ties the buyer into paying out the arse for add-ons in order to get full functionaility out of the system?"

    Depends on whether you plan to play more than a couple of games and whether you like Live Arcade. If all you want to do is play GTA IV and then throw the machine away, it's the cheapest option.

  • levis #63 4 years ago

    This is a great deal - I have the PS3 and 360 and am getting this for the PS3, mainly because the noise the 360 makes with a DVD in the drive.
    Can't believe people still complain about the price of the PS3, even after all the cuts and offers available - spose some people are just never happy. The 360 is NOT cheap, I ended up paying more for my (elite) than my PS3, what with the stupidly priced wireless adapter, xbox live etc. It is a great console though, I just wish people would see both consoles as equals.

  • Frandroid #64 4 years ago

    @Arbiter It all depends on what you want out of the 360 to be honest. The vast majority of people on here would probably say it's a con job, speaking as serious gamers. Since you're here, I can probably assume the same.
    You're missing the HDD which prevents you from using DLC, game updates and Live Arcade games. You can use memory cards for the Arcade games, not sure about updates and DLC. There are a few games that require a HDD I believe, but couldn't tell you which ones - couple of large RPGs if I recall. You're also missing the HDMI cable, network cable and headset, but you may not ever use these items depending on your TV and internet set-up.
    So no, I wouldn't say it's a con job, as long as you know what you're getting. There's a comparison guide here for the US versions which I believe are identical to the UK. The chart doesn't seem to be on the UK portal tho'.

  • Stormflood #65 4 years ago

    The fact is that it's a bundle for people who are planning to buy a PS3, and want GTA. It's not going to change anyone's mind if they were looking at getting a 360.

    I know 360 fanb... 'core gamers' have become salesmen for MS lately (comments always seem to be punctuated with the latest offers and prices) but the consumer who wants an all-round HD entertainment unit will go for a PS3, whatever the price. If you can afford a +40" 1080p display, you're not going to be tightening the purse strings over a few more quid on a PS3.

    I'm just looking forward to the 29th to check out both versions of GTAIV first hand...

  • alimokrane #66 4 years ago

    Good Lord Are my posts Invisible or what ???

    360 PREMIUM + GTA4 = £199.99

    HERE

  • BadBoyBonner #67 4 years ago

    'Serious question: Is the 360 Core system really good value? Or is it a cynical con-job that long-term ties the buyer into paying out the arse for add-ons in order to get full functionality out of the system?"

    Buy the £199 Play.com GTA bundle (includes 360 premium AND GTA IV) - then flog GTA IV for £30 (if it's not you cup of tea) at that point you have just bought a 360 Premium for a tenner more than the Core. Happy days.

  • penguin_overlord #68 4 years ago

    I think there can be little doubt that although GTA4 will sell more copies on the 360 because it has a larger user-base, it will sell more PS3s than 360s. The sales figures for the weeks ahead will make very interesting viewing and I would not be surprised if the PS3 outsells the Wii in Europe at least.

  • bad09 #69 4 years ago

    @Killerbee

    Yeah I was waiting to, but MGS4 is starting to loom and I don't need to pay for a year so I thought "F**k it, I need Blu-Ray and a DVD upscaler anyway"

    But there lies the real problem for MS now, yes they are cheaper but if joe public wants GTA4 AND a machine that does all (including BR) they are stuffed.

    @Les

    I always chuckle at your view on one of the biggest franchises out there. You always bring up the Wii, why? It is, after all, for a completely different market (has ninty ever done GTA?). Also "boring sandbox game" have you ever played a GTA game??? :)
    Edited by bad09 at 23/04/08 @ 12:44

  • BadBoyBonner #70 4 years ago

    Penguin-overlord

    I would have been of the same opinion due to not knowing about the offer Isursock mentioned....

    "In France the GTA IV PS3 pack is sold for 439 EUR, while the XBOX 360 has the following offer going:

    Buy any XBOX 360 pack + GTA IV and get a 60 EUR refund

    in addition a core XBOX 360 pack will be launched on May 7 consisting of:

    Xbox 360 core + 2 pads + PGR 4 + Halo 3 + 512mb all for the sweet price of 199 EUR.

    As a result combining the pack above with GTA IV refund will get you the 360 with 3 top games and 2 pads (1 wireless, 1 wired) for 209 EUR

    Completely insane..."

    The above seems like a highly compelling reason to plump for the 360 version to me - I agree with him - the value in that is insanely good - although clearly that would be sales that happen a week after launch of GTA IV.

  • WiseNail #71 4 years ago

    Yawn, another comments section turned into a PS3 vs 360 nob waiving exercise. I'm sure the vast majority of people who read Eurogamer regularly are well aware of the advantages of both machines by now and made their choices long ago. I'm a fan of games not machines, and fortunately my finances allow me to own both (plus a Wii).

    Re this article, at the end of the day if you only want to play GTA4 then 360 is the way to go based upon price plus future downloadable content options. No matter how hard PS3 only owners try to shout otherwise it just doesn't stack up.

  • JDub #72 4 years ago

    No Dualshock 3 is a stupid mistake... :/

  • deaner #73 4 years ago

    But will they do a TV advert like Microsoft, where they imply that the game is an exclusive to their console, and show a price-tag which doesn't actually even include the game?

    No. They wont. Thank Christ.

    Instead you can just buy the game on the platform the whole franchise has run on since it's inception, in one box with a clear price and no underhand marketing techniques.

    For more examples of why people hate Microsoft and the XBox, ya just gotta keep watching!!

  • Les #74 4 years ago

    "spose some people are just never happy."

    No, those people chose not to be happy in this case.

  • asphaltcowboy #75 4 years ago

    "6. 'you pay for what you get' - a noisy, cut down console that will play the inferior out of box version, vs the best version that has free unlimited online gaming - Not my words, but those of the general public."

    Sorry, what? The 360 is the cut-down version that will be inferior out the box? Do you have a source for that statement, other than your a-hole?

  • miiiguel #76 4 years ago

    deaner, chill, have a Valium. "People" hate taxes, and paedophiles, not XBoxes, imho.

    "cut-down version"? Welcome to the curr-gen! Have you been under a rock ?
    Edited by miiiguel at 23/04/08 @ 12:56

  • Les #77 4 years ago

    "So no, I wouldn't say it's a con job, as long as you know what you're getting."

    But as it's targeted at people that don't know what they're getting... ;)

  • bad09 #78 4 years ago

    @deaner

    underhand marketing techniques? It clearly says CONSOLE from £159 on the ad, and personally selling a bundle with a controller being phased out is a great deal more underhand.

  • GiarcYekrub #79 4 years ago

    I'm getting a premium 360 + GTA4 for £189.99

  • miiiguel #80 4 years ago

    @deaner: " the platform the whole franchise has run on since it's inception"
    You mean the PC?

  • bad09 #81 4 years ago

    @miiiguel

    In fairness the original was on both PC and PS1.

  • Dabs #82 4 years ago

    Get it for £285. Go to Play.com and use the code experience08:

    [link url=http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/4-/5440007/Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-Console-with-40GB-HDD-+-Grand-Theft-Auto-IV/Product.html?dpr=132836
    ]http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/4...[/link]

    £273 if you buy via Quidco as well.

  • miiiguel #83 4 years ago

    bad09, in wikipedia it's stated that it was originaly released on the PC, but I wasn't there to be honest. And to be fair, I'm not going to buy Renaults all my life just because my 1st car was a 4L.

  • japstersam #84 4 years ago

    @swam
    yeah fair one, but i dont have the internet anyway so im not too fussed about all that
    i'm not a raving fan boy, just think this sounds expensive.
    i play Wii most of the time anwyay :D

  • bad09 #85 4 years ago

    @miiiguel

    Ah, didn't realize it was a port of the PC. Mind you my memory 'ain't what it used to be, now where's my zimmerframe?
    Edited by bad09 at 23/04/08 @ 13:07

  • Xerx3s #86 4 years ago

    "+ MGS4 in six weeks, and a better Holiday line-up "

    POV tyvm. You can hammer as much as you want, it will still be a pov.

  • monkie_king #87 4 years ago

    GTA1 was really crappy on the PlayStation. I think Edge gave the PC version a 9/10, and the PS got a 7/10 a couple of issues later. GTA2 was only on PC and Dreamcast, if I remember correctly.

    edit: I do not remember correctly.
    Edited by monkie_king at 23/04/08 @ 13:16

  • gizmo #88 4 years ago

    No DS3 = no sale.

    MS REALLY missed a trick not boxing up a package on this. They did the expensive bit, to the tune of $50 million, but forgot the obvious bit, you know, telling people this game is on the 360 too.

  • bad09 #89 4 years ago

    @gizmo

    I think the huge advertising campaign might tell people it's on 360 :)

  • monkie_king #90 4 years ago

    gizmo: you mean apart from the wall-to-wall TV advertising for GTA4 on Xbox360, which doesn't mention PS3 whatsoever?

    But yeah, they should have done a bundle.

  • Dabs #91 4 years ago

    Just import a DS3, it's easy enough to do. I did for £27, less than the cost most places here want for a Sixaxis.

  • Les #92 4 years ago

    "I always chuckle at your view on one of the biggest franchises out there. You always bring up the Wii, why? It is, after all, for a completely different market (has ninty ever done GTA?). Also "boring sandbox game" have you ever played a GTA game??? :)"

    Because people around here think that GTA IV will influence the 'console war'. It won't. It might be the biggest game release so far but it won't do anything about the lead of the Wii. GTA III was fresh and brought new people to gaming. GTA IV is GTA III with added pixels.

    I've played Vice City and San Andreas. As games they are very poor. I liked the story of Vice City and it interested me just enough to finish it (though if I had played III and thus the novelty had worn off, I don't think I'd have made it to the end). SA was boring from the start and I never finished it and have no plans on wasting any more time on it. Sandbox game = no purpose game = boring game for me. :)

  • SeesThroughAll #93 4 years ago

    You enjoy playing it online on your hacked machine, pirate cunt.

  • Melan #94 4 years ago

    why not the new rumble pad??? I want one of these

  • rider2006 #95 4 years ago

    Swam, you on about 360 fanboys what makes you any different. All the post from you seems PS3 fanboy.
    You on about cost, it's simple. People who wants to play GTA4 can spend from £159.99 for a 360. Then buy a game that's another £40. So just to play the game you can spend up to £200-£210. That's over £100 difference, this is about the PS3 bundle price being a rip off as it's hardly any difference on buying the game and PS3 separate apart from £10-£20. A dual shock 3 controller is not even included. To play GTA4 for £200 is the cheapest option you can get. The Xbox Live issue, I spend £25 for a 12+1 months subscription from Ebay plus if you look around normal online shops you should find them from £32.99-£34.99 easy. I own a PS3, 360 and Wii. I don't mind paying Xbox Live as the online features on PS3 is not as good.
    Edited by rider2006 at 23/04/08 @ 13:29

  • Moonprince #96 4 years ago

    I know this will backfire IN MY FACE!!!!!!!

    But.

    How little must you people earn?!

    And yes, I will not be returning to this comment thread after that! :p

  • SeesThroughAll #97 4 years ago

    Yes, it's expensive, but why are people surprised?

    The bundle of GTA4 is going to cost the same as other PS3 + 1 game bundles.

    The difference in total cost between a 360 + GTA4 and the PS3 bundle is the same as that for any other one game before.

    It really is shit that they're not replacing the sixaxis by the DS3 yet, though. I can imagine that in the future they'll "manage" to replace it and raise the price of the bundle at the same time?

  • Darren #98 4 years ago

    I can't believe that Sony aren't shipping the GTA IV bundle with a Dualshock 3 controller, all for £300. While you can argue that you get the game for £20, I'd have thought a £299 price point with the game and Dualshock 3 would have been a far better deal. As it is if you really want the complete GTA experience, including feeling every bump, knock and gunshot, then the Arcade Xbox 360 plus a copy of the game is by far the best option and you save £100.

  • BootLace #99 4 years ago

    Reassuringly expensive.

  • rider2006 #100 4 years ago

    Swam I seen the GTA4 alot. It's mostly advertised between main programmes people watch. I seen it alot on Sky one, movies and sports channels.

  • bad09 #101 4 years ago

    @Les

    Well in fairness I think everyone is talking about who will shift more with GTA4 so, no matter how well it's doing (very well!), the Wee Wii doesn't really come it into it does it?

    Sorry mate, I know it's your opinion and (of course) you are entitled to it, but I just find it really hard to believe you think VC and SA are poor games. I said it to you before Les, You're in a VERY small minority there! :)

  • rider2006 #102 4 years ago

    "rider2006:

    Perhaps from a 360 fanboys perspective, anything that is said that detracts from their console being perceived as superior in any way possible could only come from a fan-boy.


    You make me laugh."

    Swam, you have to think about the main topic over the fanboys. Most people are generally correct that this bundle is a bit pointless due to not much price difference on buying a PS3 and the game separate. I remembered alot of advertisements a couple of weeks ago stated that the PS3 had a price cut of £279.99. This makes it no point having the bundle if you don't save money. Plus DS3 controller not included is a downer.

  • Darren #103 4 years ago

    To be honest I expected Sony to have announced the 80 GB HDD "deluxe" model by now and have discounted the 40 GB model so that the DS3 and game came in at £250 max. but it wasn't to be. The PS3 definitely looks to offer poorer value at £320 if you're buying one to play GTA IV on because once the DS3 comes out you'll have to fork out another £35 should you want to experience rumble too, which is actually already built into the game. Stupid really. I can see Microsoft selling far more Xbox 360 bundles than Sony do PS3 ones. Missed opportunity me thinks.

  • bad09 #104 4 years ago

    @Darren

    You hit the nail on the head there, it's like my GTp bundle. GTp has the option for rumble but the bundle has only Sixaxis in the box, what are Sony thinking?

  • SeesThroughAll #105 4 years ago

    I find it rather strange that they need to complain so much about the price of a bundle which nobody is forcing them to buy in the first place.

    Perhaps because we have friends who are waiting for GTA4 to come out before they buy a console, and would like to play with them online?

  • kissthestick #106 4 years ago

    Nice bundle, though im not interested in a PS3 yet:) still very nice

  • Apologie #107 4 years ago

    if you consider how much you have to pay for live services in the Xbox, the inexistence of BluRay on Microsoft console, and the rick of failure... it really becomes a no brainer, especially considering the long term potential and title scoming out in 2008..., it's a no brainer, Ps3 all the way.

  • Andy247 #108 4 years ago

    Isn't this the standard price for all of the component parts anyway? Am I missing something?

  • SeesThroughAll #109 4 years ago

    Isn't this the standard price for all of the component parts anyway? Am I missing something?

    It's a bit cheaper than buying the console and the game separately.
    Edited by SeesThroughAll at 23/04/08 @ 13:49

  • Dizzy #110 4 years ago

    ""Add £60 for wifi dongle and £40 to get online and now the Elite is more expensive than the PS3 and still doesn't play blu-rays. "

    Please... add 50 quid for rumbling controller and maybe another 40 for a Bluetooth headset for online play. Everybody can play this game M8.

  • chudders #111 4 years ago

    This comments thread is a shimmering oasis in a desert full of thirsty twats.

  • SBfistfun #112 4 years ago

    if you consider how much you have to pay for live services in the Xbox, the inexistence of BluRay on Microsoft console, and the rick of failure... it really becomes a no brainer, especially considering the long term potential and title scoming out in 2008..., it's a no brainer, Ps3 all the way.

    MS are giving away a free Rick of failure with each purchase? SOLD!

  • Peew971 #113 4 years ago

    "if you consider how much you have to pay for live services in the Xbox, the inexistence of BluRay on Microsoft console, and the rick of failure... it really becomes a no brainer, especially considering the long term potential and title scoming out in 2008..., it's a no brainer, Ps3 all the way."

    Can't comment, too busy laughing... Hope you receive your cheque.

  • drumbaby #114 4 years ago

    How much will it cost annually, on top of an Xbox/ GTA4 bundle if, say, you want to play GTA4 online?

    If you go for the PS3 bundle than playing GTA4 online is free on PSN, afaik.

  • SeesThroughAll #115 4 years ago

    it's a no brainer

    Wouldn't expect any differently from Apologie, tbh.

  • BadBoyBonner #116 4 years ago

    Chudders

    I just think everyones a bit bored with nothing much to talk about (slow news day) so we all happily wade into this - suppose we could all sit in "silence".

  • Les #117 4 years ago

    "I'd have thought a £299 price point with the game and Dualshock 3 would have been a far better deal."

    For real?! 320 is much better IMO... ;)

  • Les #118 4 years ago

    "but the bundle has only Sixaxis in the box, what are Sony thinking?"

    Sony are thinking "we've got this nice big stock of SIXAXIS left. Would be a shame (and costly) to throw them away. Let's put them in the boxes till we run out of them.". Just a business decision. If you don't like it, you don't get it. Simple as that.

  • bad09 #119 4 years ago

    @Les

    The old "if you don't like it.." line. Why should it always be down to the consumer and his wallet to kick these w****rs in the head until they actually provide a decent deal/service. I voted with my wallet and ended up with a scaled back PS3 from the rest of the world! Maybe if big business changed it's attitude to us we wouldn't need to vote with our wallets and could happily spend with them rather than complain.

    I know it's a business decision, just not a customer friendly one. mugging off consumers is more painful in the long run than dumping a mistake that should not have happened it the first place IMO.
    Edited by bad09 at 23/04/08 @ 14:24

  • TheNinkyNonk #120 4 years ago

    What's the fuss over? People are acting like the PS3 SUDDENLY became more expensive! This product is aimed at people who already want a PS3 and have been waiting for GTA4 (quite a few, I would imagine). In that context, £20 for GTA4 is a good deal.

  • Weezer #121 4 years ago

    "We are delighted to offer the millions of PS3 and GTA fans the ultimate gaming package," said David Reeves, boss of Sony Europe. "We are including an Xbox360 in the bundle."

    Fixed.

    [Xbox360/Wii/DS/PS3 owner]

  • asphaltcowboy #122 4 years ago

    @swam: regarding that n4g.com link - did you actually read it yourself? Where does it say that the 360 Core experience will be worse than the other iterations of consoles? And where does it say 'Rockstar' say the PS3 version is better? From what I can see some of the dev team (that could be as little as two people) think it looks slightly better. It then goes on to say that 1UP writer couldn't tell the difference and the opinion wasn't held by the entire team.

    So, straight from your arse then.

  • dnbman #123 4 years ago

    @Weezer

    Right on!

    Playstation have got this generation all wrong! Although I can't say i've ever been a fan! Buuuut, i did buy a slimline PS2 just for San Andreas! My only Sony gamin device! Sadly Nintendo have got it wrong too this round (me being a hardcore Ninty fan)!! I used to hate MS but I have to reluctantly admit they've nailed it with the 360!!!

    Phil L

  • stodgypudding #124 4 years ago

    At the weekend my brothers mate told me he'd bought a ps3 so I asked him why. He said it was for the blue ray player but it turns out he doesn't have a HD tv. Funny old world.

  • Khanivor #125 4 years ago

    Apologie, Egster, swam, Arbiter and even drumbaby has shown up. All we need now is for headbog and the return of the mighty yellowtruck and the EG SDF loons will have a full team.
    Edited by Khanivor at 23/04/08 @ 14:50

  • Madlax #126 4 years ago

    whew at all the trolling in this thread, looks like Microsofts HQ just moved its headquarters into here.

    i,l easily pay extra for a system that wont randomly 'break' on me and had to be sent 2 weeks for repairs whenever a the next 'big' game is released.

    i love it when the MS trolls mention the ( 199£ ) price-tag for the arcade version, without mentioning the extra-(hidden) costs to even start properly using it, how much does it cost to buy a ' proprietary ' microsoft-only Hardisk so that you enjoy your 10 hours of extra missions ?

    i love it how they never mention how you are 'forced' to pay so that you can play your games online, even though the online-component is a part of the game you purchased and is part of the decision on why you choose to buy that particular game, with the Xbox360 system....you pay to play with your 'own bandwidth. ;)

    Microsoft is also generous enough to offer you 'advertesiments' on your paid service, gotta love how they treat there fans ;)

    in all history of gaming system there have never been a system with a failure-rate as high as microsofts Xbox360 system, there are people on there 8th system,and some 'fans in here are recommending that system for others ? god.....what did humanity do to you that you are willing to hurt people with your recommandations ?









    Edited by Madlax at 23/04/08 @ 14:56

  • Fab4 #127 4 years ago

    I must have missed something in the article...where exactly does it mention Sony are forcing people to buy the bundle? I mean, this thread is full of sanctimonious outrage, I guess that's what Sony must be doing. Don't want the bundle? Don't buy it. Again, "become a gamer...where choice is not an option".

  • Dizzy #128 4 years ago

    ' there are people on there 8th system"

    They also won the Lottery.

  • bad09 #129 4 years ago

    "in all history of gaming system there have never been a system with a failure-rate as high as microsofts Xbox360 system"

    So how did Sony sell 120 million PS2 then? Can someone say "Disk read error"?

  • Apologie #130 4 years ago

    Madlax

    "whew at all the trolling in this thread, looks like Microsofts HQ just moved its headquarters into here.

    i,l easily pay extra for a system that wont randomly 'break' on me and had to be sent 2 weeks for repairs whenever a the next 'big' game is released.

    i love it when the MS trolls mention the ( 199£ ) price-tag for the arcade version, without mentioning the extra-(hidden) costs to even start properly using it, how much does it cost to buy a ' proprietary ' microsoft-only Hardisk so that you enjoy your 10 hours of extra missions ?

    i love it how they never mention how you are 'forced' to pay so that you can play your games online, even though the online-component is a part of the game you purchased and is part of the decision on why you choose to buy that particular game, with the Xbox360 system....you pay to play with your 'own bandwidth. ;)

    Microsoft is also generous enough to offer you 'advertesiments' on your paid service, gotta love how they treat there fans ;)

    in all history of gaming system there have never been a system with a failure-rate as high as microsofts Xbox360 system, there are people on there 8th system,and some 'fans in here are recommending that system for others ? god.....what did humanity do to you that you are willing to hurt people with your recommandations ? "

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I couldn't agree more mate... but you see, some people here simply don't have quality standards.
    Edited by Apologie at 23/04/08 @ 15:09

  • Khanivor #131 4 years ago

    Really, what the fuck is it with Sony fanbois and their complete and utter failure at reading comprehension?

  • miiiguel #132 4 years ago

    Khanivor, I think it has something to do with May '69; power to the people; the French Revolution; Iraq's invasion; October 1917; and... shit.

  • Widge #133 4 years ago

    So I should what? Sell my PS3 and buy a 360 now thanks to all this overwhelming foaming?
    Edited by Widge at 23/04/08 @ 15:20

  • BlueDot #134 4 years ago

    I love reading these consoles war threads, they make me feel that I am a sane and reasonable person.

  • Les #135 4 years ago

    "I know it's a business decision, just not a customer friendly one."

    Agreed. But with sloppy competition, you can get away with stuff like this. Nobody said it's a perfect world...

  • Apologie #136 4 years ago

    Please, stop. We cannae take any more. Speaking to 1up, Rockstar boss Sam Houser has admitted that the two versions of GTA IV do have visual differences.

    “There’s a slight difference in the way they look,” he said. “I think that’s to do with really low-level technical stuff that I’m not the guy to explain. The 360 games have a certain look to them; PS3 games have a certain look to them. I like the way [the PS3] renders.” He concluded, “There’s a certain kind of softness without being blurry - some warmth to it - and then there’s a certain more clinical "pay attention, CLINICAL" element to how the 360 looks.”

    ---------------------------

    Ps3 version will be superior in terms of performance and graphics, no doubt.

  • Shrui #137 4 years ago

    @Apologie
    "Ps3 version will be superior in terms of performance and graphics, no doubt."

    Would be nice for a change but history says "I'll believe it when I see it". *


    *edit: If we see it.
    Edited by Shrui at 23/04/08 @ 15:37

  • Khanivor #138 4 years ago

    Ooo, I'm an Xbot now! My life is finally vindicated!!1

    Thank you Arbiter for finally giving my existence meaning and purpose.

    Do you mind if I join you in barking at the moon?

  • Les #139 4 years ago

    "Sadly Nintendo have got it wrong too this round (me being a hardcore Ninty fan)!!"

    Yeah, they definitely got it wrong with their most successful console ever... They may have created something you don't like but luckily for Ninty that's been more than compensated by others that do.

  • RazorObsession #140 4 years ago

    Apologie - Ps3 version will be superior in terms of performance and graphics, no doubt.

    Which is why they always showed the 360 version, cause, you know, showing the worst version makes sense right?

  • dnbman #141 4 years ago

    "Yes, BloodKunt (hur hur hur*) I am SO angry I could just... just... nod off right now.

    PS. For future reference its WAHmbulance. Try harder, but please come again :D





    *Irony. Yes. "



    SAD???? Yes!!!
    As if it matters. In fact, seeing as how Whambulance/wahmbulance isn't in the dictionary, you can spell it however you like.
    So unlucky, you loooooooser!!!

    Phil,

  • dnbman #142 4 years ago

    ""Sadly Nintendo have got it wrong too this round (me being a hardcore Ninty fan)!!"

    Yeah, they definitely got it wrong with their most successful console ever... They may have created something you don't like but luckily for Ninty that's been more than compensated by others that do."

    Well, yes. Seeing as how I wrote it, it's MY opinion. Which would logically lead you to assume, they got it wrong for me!!

    What's your point?

  • George-Roper #143 4 years ago

    @Fightman

    "*Egster

    rofl yea sure, i'll try real hard not to be bitter when im playing the game in about an hour or two when my download has rolled off usenet.

    and i'll try even harder not to be bitter when im playing the game 6 days early and at merely the cost of a blank disc.

    damn, its not easy though!"

    What kind of spastic broadband connection have you got, that it takes 'an hour or two' to download a pirated console game?

    Get a fucking proper broadband connection ,and your own place whilst you're at it (im sure your chavvy familiy are sick of the stench), then get back to us about how great it is to download a fucking game 6 days early...

    LOL

  • chrisjm #144 4 years ago

    the the cost of a blank disk... thats what, a weeks pocket money?

  • Les #145 4 years ago

    "Well, yes. Seeing as how I wrote it, it's MY opinion. Which would logically lead you to assume, they got it wrong for me!!

    What's your point?"

    To make it easy to understand for the average poster around here...

  • Rash' #146 4 years ago

    A bunch of desperate and insecure 360 owning bullies, trying to lecture on value for money when most know full well the extortionate rates charged by M$ for add ons, which to many are compulsory. And if they had a leg to stand on they'd have responded to Madlax's post at the top of this page.

    On topic: $ony's bundle doesn't compare favourably to M$'s offering (regardless of it's well documented failings). With their pricing and marketing I see M$ capitalising on GTA's success.
    Edited by Rash' at 23/04/08 @ 16:09

  • Khanivor #147 4 years ago

    Is that the Madlax who doesn't even know how much an Arcade 360 costs?

  • PlugMonkey #148 4 years ago

    fightman - if you have nothing better to do than spend your time bragging about stealing video games to a forum of strangers then I don't much envy you your life.

  • miiiguel #149 4 years ago

    @Arbiter, that's funy to know, because by looking at your posts logs no one would wonder. I mean, you have to put XBOT; 360; MS and family in *ALL* your posts. And I mean ALL.

    Take a look: http://gamers.eurogamer.net/user_profile...

  • Rash' #150 4 years ago

    Khanivo: doesn't change the validity of his points...

  • dnbman #151 4 years ago

    "A bunch of desperate and insecure 360 owning bullies, trying to lecture on value for money when most know full well the extortionate rates charged by M$ for add ons, which to many are compulsory. And if they had a leg to stand on they'd have responded to Madlax's post at the top of this page.
    ignore poster"


    I'm a 360 owner, but neither desperate or insecure. In fact, they aren't exactly words synonymous with computer GAMING!!
    Key word, gaming... as in play/fun....
    Desperate and insecure seem a bit extreme. But then again, you fanboys (Xbox, Wii or PS3) do take this
    whole thing a little extreme.

  • Rash' #152 4 years ago

    dnbman, depends entirely on what you've posted mate. If you been in here bragging about 360's superiority and bitching about PS3 then yes I would class you in that list of desperate and insecure.

  • Machiavellian #153 4 years ago

    The Wii and PS2 is a testament that price is the be all to mass market appeal. Everyone can argue about feature this or that but most times it means nothing if your sole purpose is to purchase a game machine. I know too many people that purchase a console for one game. How many people are looking to get the PS3 just for MGS4. You can believe the prices out there for the 360 + GTA 4 will sell and probably sell big.

    The problem with the PS3 bundle is that it doesn't move anyone to purchase that bundle because of price and lack of anything more than the game. Even if you were holding out for a PS3 when the perfect bundle came along, you sure would not purchase this one but instead wait for the MGS4. Hell, Europe continue to get shafted because the US bundle will include the Dual Shock 3 controllers for that bundle while Sony clears it stock in Europe because they know they can. Its so funny, that for all the loyalty that Europe has shone Sony, instead of treating the market with respect that shows them the most love, Sony continue to slap you in the face and call you their bitch.
    Edited by Machiavellian at 23/04/08 @ 18:06

  • miiiguel #154 4 years ago

    So I should what? Sell my 360 and buy a PS3 now thanks to all this overwhelming foaming?

    I mean, Madlax, knows "someone" who is on his 8th (I thought it was 9th...) system. And looking at his post history he's unbiased. :)

    And the "desperation" and "insecurity" most come from the PS3's nostalgic fellow video-gamers, because I can't remember of such a fuss in the previous gen. You guys didn't mention XBox, like... ever. Nowdays is crazy: like "MGS online is having problems" reply: oh yeah? oh yeah? Rings! I have a friend of a friend that had his 360 replaced 47 times in a week!"
    Edited by miiiguel at 23/04/08 @ 16:26

  • Widge #155 4 years ago

    Its because of the need for validation for buying the 'right' console

    that wasn't at you above by the way!
    Edited by Widge at 23/04/08 @ 16:23

  • Rash' #156 4 years ago

    miiiguel, Xbox was a failure before it even left M$ R&D. I loved the games on it but lets be honest, it was too hardcore with a bunch of PC ports that arrived too late to the party to make a difference.

  • dnbman #157 4 years ago

    "dnbman, depends entirely on what you've posted mate. If you been in here bragging about 360's superiority and bitching about PS3 then yes I would class you in that list of desperate and insecure."

    I made my first posts in these forums today. yes I have a 360, yes i think it's better than a PS3 otherwise I wouldn't have bought it!
    Desperate and insecure tohugh? Not at all.... MS fanboy even? Never

  • Rash' #158 4 years ago

    Machiavellian, Agreed. M$ have got their strategy spot on for GTA. It'll be interesting to see how the mass market take too it here in Europe.

  • George-Roper #159 4 years ago

    @Madlax

    "whew at all the trolling in this thread, looks like Microsofts HQ just moved its headquarters into here.

    i,l easily pay extra for a system that wont randomly 'break' on me and had to be sent 2 weeks for repairs whenever a the next 'big' game is released.

    i love it when the MS trolls mention the ( 199£ ) price-tag for the arcade version, without mentioning the extra-(hidden) costs to even start properly using it, how much does it cost to buy a ' proprietary ' microsoft-only Hardisk so that you enjoy your 10 hours of extra missions ?

    i love it how they never mention how you are 'forced' to pay so that you can play your games online, even though the online-component is a part of the game you purchased and is part of the decision on why you choose to buy that particular game, with the Xbox360 system....you pay to play with your 'own bandwidth. ;)

    Microsoft is also generous enough to offer you 'advertesiments' on your paid service, gotta love how they treat there fans ;)

    in all history of gaming system there have never been a system with a failure-rate as high as microsofts Xbox360 system, there are people on there 8th system,and some 'fans in here are recommending that system for others ? god.....what did humanity do to you that you are willing to hurt people with your recommandations ?"

    1) So all Xbox 360s will 'randomly break' just when the next big game is released? Horseshit.

    2) Fuck the Arcade version, look at how much the Premium GTA4 bundle is. Non-argunment.

    3) Fact: The PSN is a fucking joke compared to Live. Lets not even try to somehow imply that the two are on an even keel. Thats what your sub pays for. Less than 3 quid/month, in fact. And thats roughly in the region of 6 quid less, per month, than all those millions of World of Warcraft players pay.

    3.1) Add to that the fact that you get either 1 or 2 Arcade releases, per week. Some are wank, yes, some are ok but some are fucking ace . The PSN is a sore loser, in comparison. Updateslol

    4) Please, so because I pay for the Live service, I shouldn't then see adverts? I went to the cinema the other day and was forced to sit through 20 mins of trailers and adverts. I also got on the bus this morning and was bombarded by ads for a daytripper pass. Cretin.

    5) Failure rate may be higher than we'd like but hey, theres now a 3 year guarantee to go with. What would I sooner have, a console that has a good library of games with good new ones coming out on a regular basis, or a console that has a poorer release schedule than the Atari Jaguar. Well, actually I have both, but the point is if I had to choose one now, id take the one that has more games with an online service that delivers, on a consistent basis. If that means it breaks down 3 months in, and I have to make do without it for 2 weeks, so be it.

    The PS3 is a good machine but FFS, that was a weak list of 'reasons' why people shouldnt buy a 360. You fail. Badly.

  • Rash' #160 4 years ago

    dnbman, I haven't read the thread in detail so I'm not directing my comments solely on you.

  • miiiguel #161 4 years ago

    Rash can I quote you:
    "Lol! Motorstorm and Warhawk are a lot better than some of the crap on 360, but then you'd know right, you Xbot troll."

    hummm, anyway you aren't making much sense. Xbox was a failure before leaving M'string'? but then again you love the games? I think your problem is with Microsoft for some reason. You can have customizavle faceplates..., put one with a Sony logo or some other stuff. Problem solved.


    That said, I want a reason to buy a PS3 (I don't have "funny feelings" towards companies) but one thing I know for sure, not in my wildest dreams I would consider not having a 360, like I had to have a PS2 the previous gen.
    Edited by miiiguel at 23/04/08 @ 16:42

  • Rash' #162 4 years ago

    George Rope, WTF was that post? A highly personal and defensive retort to an argument based on well grounded knowledge. The only thing failing here is you.

  • miiiguel #163 4 years ago

    Rash', and punk's not dead, right?

    lol.

  • George-Roper #164 4 years ago

    @Rash'

    "George Rope, WTF was that post? A highly personal and defensive retort to an argument based on well grounded knowledge . The only thing failing here is you."

    ....

    LOL!

    His arguments are about as grounded as your average cloud. As in, not much at all.

  • Rash' #165 4 years ago

    miiiguel, and your problem is dwelling in the past. I still stand by that statement: MS and WH are better than a lot of crap on 360... What's the point?

    Your other problem obivously is that you're fanboy, being as you aren't able to comprehend that a person can have two conflicting views on a system without it being an issue.

  • Khanivor #166 4 years ago

    'Rash - you might want to look up the meaning of the word 'validity'...

  • Rash' #167 4 years ago

    miiiguel: "Rash', and punk's not dead, right?

    lol."

    WTF are you on?

  • Les #168 4 years ago

    "The Wii and PS2 is a testament that price is the be all to mass market appeal."

    Definitely, given that the PS2 was more expensive than the xbox (and gc) for pretty much its entire lifespan... Price is important but providing an experience people actually want much more so. PS3/360 offer nothing new compared to the PS2/xbox/GC and therefore the public isn't really interested.
    Edited by Les at 23/04/08 @ 16:49

  • dnbman #169 4 years ago

    @Swam

    £40 a year isn't worth paying....?
    Obviously that's down to opinion, but about 80p a day, or £3 a week is pretty easily affordable.
    So yeah, XBox live dicks all over PSN

    Again, not a fanboy, just pointing out the obvious.....

  • miiiguel #170 4 years ago

    I like to be called a fanboy, even if only possible over the internet.

  • Apologie #171 4 years ago

    Please, stop. We cannae take any more. Speaking to 1up, Rockstar boss Sam Houser has admitted that the two versions of GTA IV do have VISUAL differences.

    “There’s a slight difference in the way they look,” he said. “I think that’s to do with really low-level technical stuff that I’m not the guy to explain. The 360 games have a certain look to them; PS3 games have a certain look to them. I like the way [the PS3] renders.” He concluded, “There’s a certain kind of softness without being blurry - some warmth to it - and then there’s a certain more clinical "PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORD___ CLINICAL____"element to how the 360 looks.

    --------------------------

    Gta is oficially superior in the PS3.

  • bad09 #172 4 years ago

    swam really has a chip on his shoulder!

    360 rules swam xbots rule the world! :)

  • Rash' #173 4 years ago

    dnbman, I don't see how P2P "dicks" over dedicated servers???

  • dnbman #174 4 years ago

    "dnbman, I don't see how P2P "dicks" over dedicated servers???"

    It's an expression. Commonly used to imply something is better than.

    Sorry, I thought that was blatantly obvious.
    Edited by dnbman at 23/04/08 @ 17:00

  • Rash' #175 4 years ago

    Apologie, boy, that's a lot of reading in between the lines!

  • Les #176 4 years ago

    "So yeah, XBox live dicks all over PSN

    Again, not a fanboy, just pointing out the obvious....."

    Except that it's not obvious at all (just look at the discussion around here) and you're using fanboy phrasing...

  • Rash' #177 4 years ago

    dnbman, Like I said then: ... "how P2P "dicks" over dedicated servers???"

  • dnbman #178 4 years ago

    ""So yeah, XBox live dicks all over PSN

    Again, not a fanboy, just pointing out the obvious....."

    Except that it's not obvious at all (just look at the discussion around here) and you're using fanboy phrasing... "

    Yes.... but not a fanboy. Far from it in fact.

    Just, as I said, poiting out the obvious.

  • Madlax #179 4 years ago

    "I mean, Madlax, knows "someone" who is on his 8th (I thought it was 9th...) system. And looking at his post history he's unbiased. :)"

    to hint that i am 'biased' ....hilarious.

    Madlax is (biased) as opposed to what ? as opposed to the (unbiased) crowd such as yourself ? ...god help us all ;)

    In any situation or circumstance, anyone who claims to be 'unbiased' and 'objective' is nothing more than a shame-less fool...this applies on us all. ;) for you to hint that my opinions dont hold any weight because of my 'bias', as opposed to what ? to the 'unbiased' trolling comments that fills this section ? ....i,m losing my sense of ridicule.

    i just love'em 'stealth-trolls', if there is any favour that Microsoft did to humanity, that would be filling the 'net' with stealth-trolls who will endlessly argue to convince you.....that 2+2=5

    Just like they are endlessly willing to argue that paying to play 'online' as opposed to free online is actually a good thing. and that paying hefty sums for essential ' accessories ' is not screwing the consumer at all. ;)

    If your house is made of glass, dont throw 'stones' at people. ;)





    Edited by Madlax at 23/04/08 @ 17:05

  • George-Roper #180 4 years ago

    @swam

    Amongst all your other spouted turds, this stuck out...

    "2. Most people dont play online often enough to justify paying out £40 a year, and the minimum cost on XBL is £5, even for a couple of days. So having free online, even if it's not 100% the same experience, is better than paid for for the vast majority. "

    So less than 3 quid/month isnt 'worth it' for a service that, frankly, pisses all over the PSN? Your whole 'shouldn't have to pay' argument is null and fucking void, quite frankly, as the millions and millions and millions of WoW subscribers alone, never mind all the other MMOGs subbers, would also tell you.

    If a service is good and delivers on a consistent basis, it is worth paying less than 3 quid/month for. If we had to pay for the PSN, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be uproar. It only gets away with the mediocre, at best, release scehdule it currently has because it's free.

    In this regard, specifically, you don't have a leg to stand on.

  • miiiguel #181 4 years ago

    Madlax, I said you are unbiased. And... when are you going to get the last-gen PS3 proper controll?

    Me, I'm biased all the way, MS actually contributes to my paycheck. Bias FTW!
    Edited by miiiguel at 23/04/08 @ 17:05

  • Rash' #182 4 years ago

    George Roper, The PSN store is fixed. So when that XMB becomes in game then we'll have this argument again, until then you can continue to pay for P2P online gaming, while the rest i.e. Wii and PS3 owners, will get their online thrillers for free.

  • miiiguel #183 4 years ago

    Rash', next year is the year! The "momentum" and stuff...

    "4d gaming, rumble sucks, and we don't need no games, FTW!"
    Edited by miiiguel at 23/04/08 @ 17:09

  • Rash' #184 4 years ago

    farticusmaximus, whether you personally need wifi or not, when the rest of the elctronics industry understand the importance of Wifi in their network devices, M$'s failure to include the feature as stand in their console was a mistake.

  • bad09 #185 4 years ago

    rash you talk rubbish the wii has what a few online games and ps3 needs a lot of improvement as far as i can see. live is worth every penny

  • miiiguel #186 4 years ago

    If 50 Eur/year is relevant to anyone, that person has a problem and it's not XBL or PSN...

  • Rash' #187 4 years ago

    miiguel: being fractious comes naturally to you I've noticed. For future reference I'll refrain from commenting when you're in that mood.

  • George-Roper #188 4 years ago

    @Rash'

    "George Roper, The PSN store is fixed. So when that XMB becomes in game then we'll have this argument again, until then you can continue to pay for P2P online gaming, while the rest i.e. Wii and PS3 owners, will get their online thrillers for free."

    The issue isn't the PSN Store, its whats on the fucking PSN Store. Especially the Euro PSN Store. Thank God for the Warhawk expansion because, aside from that, theres been sweet FA recently. As is the case on an almost week by week basis. Live releasing 1 or 2 games, per week is simply head and shoulders above what the PSN offers. I know that i'll see an announcement on Live, each week, about a new release or two.

    And also, this in-game XMB, where have you heard that this is actually going to be implemented? Genuinely interested although, again, this is only part of what makes Live the success that it is. So keep pulling bits and pieces out and trying to imply that they are 'all Live offers'.
    Edited by George-Roper at 23/04/08 @ 17:14

  • Rash' #189 4 years ago

    bad09, I didn't comment on the strength of services on the two consoles. Merely that they offer free services, which on PS3 is very good. In game xmb is coming this year so in game features won't be an issue for long.

  • Rash' #190 4 years ago

    farticusmaximus, You keep believe that. Like I said, Wifi is a standard feature in most modern network devices these days for a reason... Make of that what you will. I'm getting tired and frankly bored of this, now.

  • Rash' #191 4 years ago

    George Roper, in game xmb was officially confirmed for this year on this very site. As for content: well... quality or quantity?

  • George-Roper #192 4 years ago

    @Rash'

    "George Roper, in game xmb was officially confirmed for this year on this very site. As for content: well... quality or quantity?"

    I'd search but I can't be bothered. Link please or dont waste my time.

    If quantity is hovering around nothing , id absolutely take quantity and hold out some hope for a gem or two. Live proves this to be the case, with ease.

  • Madlax #193 4 years ago

    Poor Rash, having to enmesh himself in all of this quibbling. ;)

    Those puppets trying to justify 'charging' gamers for online with the feeble content that XBL offer....'Steam' literaly shits on everything that XBL has and will offer, and that is free on the PC with absolutely no additional costs.

    this isnt just about how much does it cost,Its a matter of 'principle' how much means nothing, Steam destroys XBL content-wise and is free, if that is possible on the PC then its possible on the consoles.

    So why again should we give up 'free-online' gaming for a feeble p2p service ?
    Edited by Madlax at 23/04/08 @ 17:29

  • Rash' #194 4 years ago

    George Rope, Hey! Your the one on a PS3 thread ranting your 360 BS. If you can't be bothered to do your homework then GTFO. But don't fucking tell me I'm wasting you time when you're the uninformed idiot raving about the virtuousity of a service many 360 owner themselves believe they shouldn't pay for.

  • PlugMonkey #195 4 years ago

    Roper et al: For the love of god, you're arguing about your preferred brand of electrical appliance!

    Do your loyalties run as deep for your vacuum cleaner? Your washing machine? Your toaster?

  • George-Roper #196 4 years ago

    @Rash'

    "George Rope, Hey! Your the one on a PS3 thread ranting your 360 BS. If you can't be bothered to do your homework then GTFO. But don't fucking tell me I'm wasting you time when you're the uninformed idiot raving about the virtuousity of a service many 360 owner themselves believe they shouldn't pay for ."

    LMFAO!

    Many? As in 'I know some guys and they're pissed off that they have to pay!'?

    Seriously, as a great great man once said...

    'Get the fuck outta here!'

  • Rash' #197 4 years ago

    George Rope, That great man would be me, in my post to you as referenced in your post above. So let me reiterate: GTFO you uninformed twat.
    Edited by Rash' at 23/04/08 @ 17:41

  • Khanivor #198 4 years ago

    What content is free on Steam?

  • Rash' #199 4 years ago

    Madlax, It's my own fault. I get too involved in the delusional rants of these fanboys.

  • miiiguel #200 4 years ago

    Picnic or orgy ?

    It's the principle... how sweet. That's fair though, you do the "principles" I do the "fun".
    Edited by miiiguel at 23/04/08 @ 17:46

  • zuljin #201 4 years ago

    Nooo please not the same old ps3/360 arguments! Neither DF arguments really stand up anymore, lets get back to slagging off fightman, boasting about ripping games because he can't afford to buy them, etc etc...

  • Ryze #202 4 years ago

    @rider2006

    swam's just a PS3 fanboy fucktard. Ignore his shite, as he's got nothing better to do.

  • Apologie #203 4 years ago

    Sony and its newly refreshed Playstation 3 will kick the Wii to the curb, sure, with its current success, it's easy to think that the Wii will always stay atop the list of the most popular video game consoles on the market. But at what point will everyone realize that the Wii is a fun device to play when a group of people are around, but quite boring when it's just you?
    I think it has already happened with current Wii owners. A quick glance at October 2007 video game sales figures show that the Wii only holds two out of the top ten places with Guitar Hero III and Wii Play.
    And if that means nothing else, it tells you one important fact about Wii owners -- they really only play a handful of games and don't bother to buy most of the games that are currently available for the console.
    As I've said before, the Wii is a novelty device that doesn't have the long-term appeal that the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 do. Is it a fun console to use? Sure. Are there some good games? You bet. But is there enough of a software offering and downright appeal to entice gamers to buy a Wii over a Playstation 3? Right now, it does. But within the next year, look for Wii sales to slump as the PS3 continues to grow, suffice it to say, the Wii is a fine device, but it's not going to continue selling this well and if Japanese console figures are any indication of the rest of the world, Nintendo won't be selling more Wii units than Sony going forward.

    We’ve all known that the PS3 has superior processing power with alot more potential but that hasn’t really slowed things down because, until late, the Xbox 360 still had enough grunt to keep up. On top of that, it was much easier for game developers to code games for the Xbox as it was an older platform and had more memory (specifically bandwidth, alot more). Well, that’s not going to be the case much longer… Playstation is going to have the edge in producing cutting edge games. Right now, the margin is small - but that won’t last for long, you can already have a taste of it by playing games like Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, and in short time MGS4... Ps3 will win the console war, with free on-line "HOME", AAA games, high quality hardware, Blu-Ray etc...

    now back to GTA4... to play the DLC "added content", you need an HDD, how much does it cost??? you need to pay for your live service, how much does it cost??? you need to be very lucky because probably your console will end up dead during thouse long gaming hours, plus, GTA4 will be better both in terms of performance and graphics in the PS3... so, where does that lead us??? yes, in my opinion the PS3 is the best choice.

    Edited by Apologie at 23/04/08 @ 17:58

  • Khanivor #204 4 years ago

    Man, you really should so stand-up. Of course, you'd have to film yourself and post it on YouTube for the internets but you are indeed a funny chap.

  • WinterSnowblind #205 4 years ago

    @Apologie, that was a good read, a lot of what you say is very true, but it's all essentially lost due to your clear Sony bias. Games like Uncharted where hugely overrated (in terms of visuals) it was an impressive looking game, but it doesn't really out do anything that we've alreadly seen on the 360. Halo 3 for example, is often critisised for not looking all that fantastic, but besides the human character models (which to be fair weren't the focus), I'd say it looks about on par with something like Uncharted. Thus far we've seen far more impressive games on the 360 than we have on the PS3, and although the PS3 does easily have the potiential to out do the 360, I don't see that happening anytime soon, and even when it does, it isn't going to be by all that much. You have to take into account more than just processing power, and when it comes down to it, both of the consoles are more or less equal, I don't ever see the point where one has a clear advantage over the other.

    And Xbox Live has been discussed time and time again. But the bottom line is that it only costs £40 a year, and offers by far the best online service out there. If Sony can manage to surpass that, then that would be great, but as a PS3 and a 360 owner, I've seen nothing on PSN so far that comes close to matching Xbox Live. Home sounds interesting, but sounds more like a distraction and a novelty, rather than something that will actually aid online play.

    And the fact you acknowledge that recent rumour that the 360 will die out from extended play time? I'm sorry, but that kills any credibility you may have had. I've had my 360 on for days at a time before, watching the entire of Star Trek The Next Generation, and haven't had a single problem with the thing. And no, it doesn't make that much noise either, before you try that old jab :)
    Edited by WinterSnowblind at 23/04/08 @ 18:08

  • George-Roper #206 4 years ago

    @Apologie

    My 360 'will probably die during the long gaming hours'? How come it hasn't done, so far, then?

    Seriously, the whole RROD affair was funny for the first few weeks but now its the only thing that anyone can level at the machine. Yes, it was a poor decision to release when they did, given the build quality, but as ive already said i'd sooner have 6 months of gaming pleasure and then 'maybe' have to have it repaired than have 6 months of mediocre shite, interspersed with the occasional gem, that the PS3 has been offering.

    I love Warhawk and Drakes Fortune but how come they're the games that we see repeated over and over and over again, regards 'quality titles'? Therein lays the problem. That theres precious little selection and thats where the 360 kicks the PS3s ass. Big time.
    Edited by George-Roper at 23/04/08 @ 18:13

  • Ryze #207 4 years ago

    Apololol

  • captainrentboy #208 4 years ago

    I couldn't make it past the first page of comments. Far, faaaar too many cunts.
    This deal is nothing special, basically you're getting 20 squid off of GTA, which is what most retailers would have done as a generic bundle more than likely anyway.
    I thought people were going to go crazy for it in my store, especially as this PS3 bundle is splashed around everywhere, but in the end we took just one preorder for it. :/
    See what happens next Tuesday huh?

  • belziah #209 4 years ago

    really????

    In 2008??????

    Still??????

  • Apologie #210 4 years ago

    by the way, the PS3 hard drive and CPU should deliver a smoother GTA IV than on Xbox 360, not least because of texture streaming. Less loading, more detail and vibrant colour palette should make PS3 GTA IV stand head and shoulders above the Xbox 360 version. But what about the Xbox 360’s exclusive episodic content? Well, chances are, the PS3 will have similar downloads at some point in the future. If not, we should have PSP connectivity and multiplayer to look forward too... these superiority have been refered in an interview by one of the lead developers of GTA4, he says that he actually prefers the visuals on the Ps3... nontheless is a good game and both X360 and Ps3 owners should be satisfied with the final result.
    Edited by Apologie at 23/04/08 @ 18:15

  • Feanor #211 4 years ago

    Fuck Sony trying to dump their SIXAXIS shit on the unsuspecting public.

  • Machiavellian #212 4 years ago

    The crazy thing I see here in these post are the people who will defend Sony to the death, never criticizing the fact that Sony treat the European market like crap. Who gets the Dual Shock 3 controller in their bundle and a much better price; the US.

    I have a PS3 and I am happy with it but still, to totally defend Sony and how they treat the only market that Gives them much love like they are Cinderella just seem stupid.

    The whole tread has turned back into the age old, My corporate company is better than yours instead of talking about the validity of this bundle.

    You get less for your money. You get a discontinued product that Sony feels they can shovel to you because you will defend them to no end and purchase whatever they sell you. You get shafted on price, features, etc but you get people like Apologie, Headbog and a few others who can find no fault with Sony.

    The bundle is a joke because instead of getting the latest and greatest with a decent price, you get shoved the crap Sony wants to get rid of. Yep, just keep being the nation that Sony feels they do not need compete because I am sure Europe will continue to get crap first. The worst prices out of all of the different countries, you will be experimented first with because Sony can sell crap in a box and Europe will purchase it.

  • Machiavellian #213 4 years ago

    @Rash
    The problem with WiFi that comes with the PS3 and Wii is that the more important it gets the worst it gets. In other words, as more people use it, the more interference you get and thus the worst reception you get. I know this for a fact because where I live, everyone has WiFi around me and it sucks for the PS3 and Wii that I have. I have everything wired (except the Wii orcourse) which even if I had better WiFi reception would be the way to go if you plan to actually use your console to play online. If all you are going to do is surf the web with your PS3 or Wii then WiFi is fine.

    WiFi is a nice feature to have but in reality, its is not important if you want to play online without your WiFi not being up to snuff. If you plan on turning your PS3 into a media station then WiFi really becomes useless especially if you stream High Def content.

  • Apologie #214 4 years ago

    Machiavellian

    You get less for your money. You get a discontinued product that Sony feels they can shovel to you because you will defend them to no end and purchase whatever they sell you. You get shafted on price, features, etc but you get people like Apologie, Headbog and a few others who can find no fault with Sony.

    --------------------------------

    i don't defend Sony blindly... they make mistakes just like everyone else, but between buying or defend a seriously defective console like the X360, with 1001 peripherals, and a console like the Ps3, with high quality standards/reliability, lot's of features, multiplayer for free, Blu Ray, and in my opinion better exclusives, i don't have much of a choice do i??

  • miiguel #215 4 years ago

    Pictures of Bill Gates give me a hard on

  • Rash' #216 4 years ago

    Machiavellian, Maybe you're right, I don't know. I just know that I've used Wifi for all my online gaming and I've had no issue with it. Additionally, most homes don't have a broadband connection in the living room so wifi becomes important to the majority. Anyway, it's about choice, right?
    Edited by Rash' at 23/04/08 @ 18:51

  • Khanivor #217 4 years ago

    I think for children living at home who must abide by mumies rules about cables around the house need to worry about WiFi a lot more

    Which is probably not a coincidence...

  • Machiavellian #218 4 years ago

    @Apologie
    Yes there is the RROD but I am the only one out of 27 friends who have first run 360 who has had the problem. When the PS2 had the disk read errors from the DVD drive would you have been here calling it a "seriously defective console". I had to replace the DVD drive on 2 different PS2. Every friend I have who purchased a PS2 had to either get the DVD drive replace or attempt to take it apart and scrub the lens to make it work or just get a new one. Either way, the problem was fixed by Sony and that problem went away. The same can and will be done with the 360 version so living in the past on the RROD issue is stupid. Never did Sony give an extended warranty on the DVD drives so I say at least MS one up them on service in that respect.

    Apologie, you do defend Sony like there is no other option. You have never questioned anything they have done and have only punished the 360 for the mistake they have made. You have never questioned how Sony has used the European market but steadily bring up rumors or even half truths concerning the 360. Please, you among all here are the true definition of a Fanboy. Sony can do no wrong in your eyes and I still think you are a plant. It would be different if your post would keep to the facts but instead, you alway take out part that would make your claim naught and only post the parts you like. Case in point would be the GTA post

  • miiguel #219 4 years ago

    Yeah WiFi is for n00bs. I rearranged my house for my games console.

  • GitSomE_UK #220 4 years ago

    Bollocks... it's a Sony own goal yet again!

  • Machiavellian #221 4 years ago

    @Rash
    I will agree that MS should have included WiFi with the elite. Even if WiFi is not a great solution (IMHO) for online play, to bring out the elite and not be on par with the PS3 feature to feature besides a bigger hard drive and the name was a very stupid decision by MS.

  • Madlax #222 4 years ago

    I love this disclaimer that every 'stealth-troll' throws at the beginning, it never gets old.

    "i dont understand why you Fanboys are fighting, i have system X and i,m happy about it BUT..."

    BUT

    BUT

    yep...its all in the....BUT ;)

  • Apologie #223 4 years ago

    @Machiavellian

    the failure rate of the 360 and Ps2 are not even comparable... but ok, i understand the need of some xbox fans to bring the Ps2 into discussion, ridiculous... thank's for you'r argumentation, wich was none regarding the subject, you basically evaded everything with claims like: "You have never questioned how Sony has used the European market but steadily bring up rumors or even half truths concerning the 360. Please, you among all here are the true definition of a Fanboy. Sony can do no wrong in your eyes and I still think you are a plant." ... if these is what you call an argument, or something valid to say, think again.

    Oh and to the other guy that said "HALO 3 is as good as Uncharted in the graphics department" i can only say one thing, that is absolutely ridiculous my friend.
    Edited by Apologie at 23/04/08 @ 19:50

  • anomagnus #224 4 years ago

    look, bottom line, this package isnt aimed at us, this package is meant to attract casual gamers.

    Now, what ever way you cut it, if you lay the the xbox gta pack and the ps3 gta pack beside each other, the fact is, unless they SPECIFICALLY wanted a PS3, in which case nothing marketing does will matter, the average joe will likely go for an xbox 360.

    The masses will vote with their wallet.

    All the ps3 and xbox 360 nobbery aside, this is a massive mistake on the part of Sony's marketing department.

    As for the blu ray arguement, fact is, if i walk into HMV, i am assulted with row upon row of dvd's. Blu ray is far too young to be deciding factor for anyone, apart from early adopters, who also tend to be hard core gamers.

    My first reaction to this - this is a rip off. Even 20 quid of would have made a bit of a difference, but this REEKS of sony throwing something togeather to counter the xbox360 media assault, and doing it half assed.

    Now, when the MGS4 pack arrives, then we'll see the marketing machine of sony kick off!

    Disclaimer - i do not own a PS3, only an xbox 360. My aim is to wait for the MGS4 pack, as that is the only game so far that would make me pay for a new console.
    Edited by anomagnus at 23/04/08 @ 19:32

  • Les #225 4 years ago

    "Just, as I said, poiting out the obvious."

    Wow, you're really thickheaded, aren't you... :(

  • FmCUK #226 4 years ago

    Good news for those who ordered from HMV!

    "Thank you for your recent order of Grand Theft Auto IV. We're sure you're looking forward to this Tuesday as much as we are.

    We've got some great news. To guarantee you receive your copy on time, we'll now be sending it by Royal Mail Special Delivery.

    And don't worry, there's no additional charge for this. We just want to make sure you're amongst the first to get your hands on the hottest game of the year."

    I was expecting it late after what some folks were saying about HMV. I'm surprised that they (or anyone else) didn't do a publicize a guaranteed service earlier, but I'm appreciative of it now :)

  • Les #227 4 years ago

    "1. Its always been expensive. The games too,"

    Only for the unadventurous (of which there are plenty, especially in the mainstream)... If you really are so cost conscious (and play a lot of games and don't care too much about the few 360 exclusives you can't get on PC) PS3 is rather cheap. Import saves me on average 20-25 euro per game. If you buy around 10 games a year, you're looking at a 200-250 euro cost saving. If the machine lasts for about 3 years, it has earned itself back (unless you have a really high WACC ;) )...

  • bad09 #228 4 years ago

    Never mind the console hate guys, who wants a look at GTA4 GAMEPLAY?

    http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52361
    Edited by bad09 at 23/04/08 @ 19:57

  • Les #229 4 years ago

    "The masses will vote with their wallet.

    Which shows without doubt the Wii is their machine of choice.

    "All the ps3 and xbox 360 nobbery aside, this is a massive mistake on the part of Sony's marketing department."

    Why?! Because they release a package that links the PS3 closely to GTA IV?! A branded pack is bound to be more effective than in-store combos, otherwise they would have died long ago. Let's just wait and see. I predict that far more PS3s than 360s will be sold because of GTA IV. Because only 'hardcore' gamers are interested in GTA IV and if they don't have a 360 by now they'll have good reasons for it and chances are incredibly slim they will get one because of GTA IV.

    "As for the blu ray arguement, fact is, if i walk into HMV, i am assulted with row upon row of dvd's. Blu ray is far too young to be deciding factor for anyone, apart from early adopters, who also tend to be hard core gamers."

    PS3 is still early in its lifecycle and not that cheap. Same goes for the 360s with HDD. People that tend to be interested in any of these two machines still fall in the hardcore gamer category (either because of price or because of image) and, like you say, are precisely the group that tends to be attracted by Blu-Ray (and goodlooking hardware).

    But like I said before, this will have a minor impact on the battle for second place, nothing more...

  • Les #230 4 years ago

    "Never mind the console hate guys, who wants a look at GTA4 GAMEPLAY?"

    As I said before, this game is a big, fat 'meh' for me. My advise: Don't believe the hype unless you're good at fooling yourself (a habit which a lot of people around here display)...

  • Madlax #231 4 years ago

    "As I said before, this game is a big, fat 'meh' for me. My advise: Don't believe the hype unless you're good at fooling yourself (a habit which a lot of people around here display)..."

    Tell that to Eurogamer when there 10/10 GTA review is posted. ;)

  • elvenscroll #232 4 years ago

    @the bloke who said this "XBL - £26 never been down aprt from monday morning servicing on handful of occasions with msg two weeks b4 tellin u so"

    I take it you didnt own a 360 over christmas? I couldnt get live working properly for fucking days. ;)

    Ah well. Bygones and all that shit.

    Roll on tuesday, i feel a sudden illness coming on...



  • bad09 #233 4 years ago

    @Les

    LOL, well I believe the hype as Rockstar have always delivered a class game. 6 days and counting......

  • actionfitz #234 4 years ago

    I used to work for a company making PS2 and Xbox 1 games.
    we couldn't split our resources among separate versions of our games for each console...
    so what you get in effect is the 'lowest common denominator' effect - unless your game is garrunteed platform exclusive for life (only ones you'll find like that are platform holder internally developed games).

    We made our games so that they would run on the PS2 fine... and the xbox version had bigger textures (512x512 instead of 256x256).
    :)

    Same thing is true for this current generation. you wont get features or content missing from the 360 version thats magically appearing in the PS3 version.
    so hunt for the best bargain you can find and enjoy :)
    ---
    @ MrGilder
    my 360 already RRoD'd :/ along with everyone I know who got one, so mine has a replaced motherboard.
    my brother traded his dead console in towards an elite... cheeky bastard lol

  • Rash' #235 4 years ago

    actionfitz, Just as well R* were commisioned by $ony to make an exclusive title for their console because going forward 360 has serious design issues according to the dev.
    Edited by Rash' at 23/04/08 @ 20:45

  • ronuds #236 4 years ago

    OMG, what a sea of misinformation. My eyes can't take the seering blind fanboy comments! 90% of these comments have clearly been written by people who know absolutely nothing about the console they're trying to trash. Holy crap! If you're going to spew a bunch of hate towards one way or the other, at least make it look like educated hate.

    Look away, folks...look away.



  • ronuds #237 4 years ago

    Swam...please shut up. Onions for onions, man. You think black, he thinks white, but please stop with these comical "facts" you seem to have that only a few agree with.

    1. Seriously...wifi is hit or miss with a lot of people, so to say it's a necessity is absolutely ridiculous. If I were to use wifi in my house, I'd be hampered severly. It's not the best option for everyone and for gaming, it's not the best option in most cases. In the future that may change.

    2. PSN has figures as well. So, again...total nonsense. "proves that XB owners have no choice but to use XBL to play online." What options do you have to play online besides PSN, I'm curious to know?

    3. RRoD is an issue, I won't deny. Didn't seem to stick much with PS owners that their PS2's were nearly as unreliable however, so this argument is ridiculous.

    4. Bluray IS IN FACT irrelevant for many people. I'd check your stats on HDTV penetration before claiming blu-ray is an all-important feature. Not only that, but it's likely we'll have BD players w/full capabilities cheaper than the PS3 in the very near future.

    5. Exclusives quality is debatable, but if you want a "measuring stick," then look at a site like gamesrankings.com or metacritic to see which has more quality exclusives. Otherwise, nobody gives a rats ass about your obviously skewed opinion on which has the better games.

    You may have taken the "worst fanboy of the week" award from Apologie. Headbog?


  • Rash' #238 4 years ago

    ronuds, I don't know how factually correct your statement about wifi is, but let me reiterate that the living room isn't a mainstay for most peoples broadband, which is where the the battle is being raged with the current gen.

  • ronuds #239 4 years ago

    @Rash

    I never claimed it to be "factually correct." I don't know that anyone could, but Swam sure made it sound like what he believed was a fact.

    I just know a few people who try to use it for gaming and their connection is generally not as good, plus they get kicked off more often than usual, plus having them host is sometimes useless.

    I'm not saying ALL wifi is like that, but for the few people I know that use it for gaming, some are fine with it and some aren't.

    And when talking about wifi, mentioning DL'ing a song to your iPod and playing a game with 24 players online are two COMPLETELY different things. For gaming, much of it depends on how good of a feed you have coming to your house and not everyone has a great one. Not every part of every country provides quality internet connections, so in order to get the most out of a crappy service, sometimes wifi isn't a plausible option.
    Edited by ronuds at 23/04/08 @ 21:35

  • Rash' #240 4 years ago

    ronuds, Well I've not had any probs with any of my games online through wifi (touch wood) and neither have my family so maybe your experience is a little limited. As I may add is mine. ;o)
    Edited by Rash' at 23/04/08 @ 21:37

  • ronuds #241 4 years ago

    Well, good for you. I guess that means the same must be true for the entire world.

    Well, at least you admit to having a limited experience. In which case, I don't think any of us are absolutely qualified to make a completely informed argument on the matter. And I doubt there are figures anywhere to prove anyone's case even if they claimed to.
    Edited by ronuds at 23/04/08 @ 21:42

  • Les #242 4 years ago

    ""3) The RROD plague is FUD I'm afraid, perpetuated by idiots like you. "

    Do you work for Mugabe?"

    That one was actually funny! :)

  • Les #243 4 years ago

    Wifi works like a charm (only play Warhawk online but never have any lag) and is great for music streaming as well. Don't stream movies as I don't do pirated downloads and there's little benefit to putting my DVD collection onto my HDD. But I guess if you would really want to stream HD movies, the 54mbit capacity would be a bit too small. Better get an AppleTV then, instead of those ugly cables...

  • ronuds #244 4 years ago

    I don't have wifi at all in my house and I'm not complaining about it. Obviously it's a nice option to have, but not a necessity in the least. I have 1 visible cable that runs about my house that can be taken care of very easily if I have company. And I can't remember having any issues that were due to my connection. I can play games and have my wife online at the same time with no issues whatsoever.

    You wifi elitists are a funny bunch. Like there's something wrong with people who don't have wifi or that those without it should do everything they can to get it. Good grief...not every gives a crap, please understand that. I don't lie awake at night wishing I had wifi, nor do I peer into shop windows looking at the latest wifi routers. I really don't.

  • Machiavellian #245 4 years ago

    My experience is the same as Roundus. The more people within my neighborhood that get Wifi devices the worst my reception gets.
    WiFi in it's current state on the PS3 and Wii barely cut it. The only thing I use it for is surfing the web or the occasional limited download. I would never consider playing most games using WiFi because of the lack of a constant signal I can depend on not including the overhead for using encryption and not that weak Wep but WPA. WiFi is definitely not a necessity and anyone that wants to do more than surf will soon realize you need a wired connection if you want any decent speed. I will say that it's an option but if I could have purchased my PS3 20 bucks cheaper without it, then I would. Unfortunately the 20GB model was discontinued before I purchase my PS3. I have no choice with the Wii because it does not come with a connection which was a decision I did not like.

    I have a server, that has a video capture card, that gets HD stations over the air. I use that machine as my DVR with Media Center. I can watch TV and record a show at the same time or record two shows and watch a recording. I also download Anime TV shows from Japan which is also nice. Any way, WiFi is not the solution for any of the things I do, so I wired my house which took less than it cost to by a wireless router.

  • ronuds #246 4 years ago

    "It's not as if the Ps3 doesn't have a NIC built in too - you have no option but to buy a wifi adapter with the 360, whereas it's included out of the box for the PS3. The point is, you have the choice whereas you pay £60 for it on the 360."

    The problem here is that it's NOT free as you continuously claim. It is built into the price of the PS3, and is part of the reason why the PS3 is more expensive. As for me not having it: I don't effing care.

    "There's common sense, and then there's Fanboy sense.
    You have the latter.
    I dont have to pay anything to play on PSN, wheraes I have to pay £5, £15 or £40 to play on XBOX Live.
    Are you seriously suggesting that if offered the choice between a free online gaming service, and one you have to pay for that offers nothing more than a slightly more advanced invitation system, they'd chose to pay?"

    I don't even know why you're attacking me here. You orignallly stated that XBL has figures as to how many people are playing on XBL and that by them having figures it "proves" that people have no choice but to use XBL to play 360 games online. I then asked what options you have with the PS3 to play online besides PSN, and I also pointed out that Sony in fact does have figures as to how many people are using PSN. Where your response came from is beyond me and what it has to do with anything is also a mystery that only you can solve.

    "The unreliability of the PS2's early models are well documented, but they were not nearly on the same scale as the RROD.
    At no point did Sony have to write off $1billion of costs in one financial quarter to cover repairs, and at no point did it reach this scale.
    Quite frankly, it's another red herring Playstation haters clutch to when defending the RROD issue."

    If you have any kinds of facts to back this up, I'd like to see them. Otherwise, you seem to "know" a lot more than the average gamer. You're very informed. :sarcasm:

    "Considering the market is very, very young, and that HDTV sales are begining to take off, your argument is invalid:
    [link url=http://rapidtvnews.com/index.php/uk-hdtv...
    ]http://rapidtvnews.com/index.php/uk-hdtv...[/link]
    HDTV sales account for 4 out of 5 sales according to the link, and as content (I.E. blu-ray, Sky HD, Freeview HD, Freesat, and of course, Games consoles), increases, takeup will be higher."

    I didn't realize that everyone with an SDTV is running out TO-DAY to buy HDTV's. I should make sure my grandmother's aware of this mass exodus to HD! So, since I'll have to also go along with this trend, I guess a blu-ray player and PS3 are my only option!

    "You mean where there's barely a few percentage points? My god, a game that scores 88% on Metacritic is UTTER SHITE!!!!!
    It doesnt matter that a game that scores 98% might not appeal to me, it got a better score !!!"

    Again...why are you arguing with me? Did you not recognize how I said "onions for onions"? However, the only debatably factual evidence we have today are reviews. Whatever you personallyprefer, that's fine by me. But to say that the 360's games don't touch PS3's exclusives, I think you know is just nonsense and can only be claimed by yourself alone (along with the rest of the SDF, of course).

    "Stock reply when a Sony hater is defeated?"

    Defeated? LOL. You're suggesting I provide opinion as factual evidence and trash everyone who doesn't agree. In that sense, yes, I'm defeated. I actually try to make sense and use actual proof and evidence to back my claims when necessary.




  • captainrentboy #247 4 years ago

    Swam, when you're typing all of that out, don't you ever just stop and think to yourself ''Why am I doing this?''
    I'm surprised that silly fanboys of each console haven't yet realised the pontlessness of these giganticous posts, they sit there typing away, paragraphs and pargraphs of complete twaddle. But never once does the opposing guy they're aiming their utter bullshit at say '' By god, you're right, I now see where you're coming from, I've seen the liiiight''
    So to my original point, why waste all that time? :/

  • ronuds #248 4 years ago

    @Machiavellian

    You are clealy stupid and don't know what you're talking about. Wifi is perfectly usable for the entire world and anyone who claims differently is a PS3 hater. You are hating because the PS3 comes with wifi as standard FOR FREE! Forget that the PS3 is nearly twice the price of its closest competitor...wifi is perfectly FREE!

    Oh, and everyone needs blu-ray this very instant.

    Jump on board or kill yourself.

    /just kidding

  • Machiavellian #249 4 years ago

    @Apologie
    I wonder why someone has to be an xbox fan when they voice opinions that are negative about either Sony or the PS3. I guess I am such the fan that I purchased a PS1, PS2, PSP, PS3, and quite a few of Sony's other products including DVD players, TVs etc. Yep, I sure hate Sony and I am so much in MS pocket.

    It appears to be the classic tactic to brand someone as Fanboy this or that to try to disqualify their opinion. My opinion is based on my experience. What is your opinion based on or is it a salary.

    What I will tell you is that I am a consumer. I purchase what I feel will give me value. I purchase a PS3 because it will have exclusives that will never see the light of day on the 360. Just because I do not kiss the ground Sony execs walk on doesn't mean I have a problem with Sony products. I am just not the corporate man like yourself. I do not care about Sony the company or MS and Nintendo. I care about their products.

    You would be the one to say that the failure rate of the 360 is not comparable to the PS2 but why is it that such a large amount of people have experienced it if they had a first Gen PS2. The reason I bring the PS2 into the discussion is because products can have their periods of bad hardware but nothing stays in a vacuum. Sony, just like MS through either internal or external forces will find the faults within their products and usually fix them. There are no differences between the faults that plagued the PS2 during its time then the one that has plagued the 360. The only difference is that MS nutted up (through pressure I am sure) and paid the price to warranty those bad products. Sony never came close.
    Edited by Machiavellian at 23/04/08 @ 22:36

  • bad09 #250 4 years ago

    "It's pointless, like the lot of you."

    swams speech at the fanboy of the year award he then thanked Sony for life itself then hugged his Wifi router. :)

    (Just playing with ya swam, you seem to have taken this thread far too seriously!)

  • thinktank #251 4 years ago

    Swam if the PS3 does every thing you say it does then why have you spent the last few hours defending it / attacking the 360?

    This article is about the price of a new PS3 bundle, you clearly already have a PS3 so why do you even give a fuck???

    Do you think your the second coming of Christ brought to earth to steer us ill informed gamers from making the 'wrong choice', thanks for the kind though but I’d much rather you piss off.

    If you believe in the electronic box sat under your TV (or in your bed??) so much then why aren’t you playing it instead pebble dashing your verbal diarrhoea all over this forum?

  • Machiavellian #252 4 years ago

    Swam you was not responding you were preaching. There are pros and cons to both consoles and just because what you think is the be all end all for the PS3, it's not the same for others. The PS3 does have faults just like the rest of the consoles. What you did was convince yourself on your decision to purchase a PS3 but you probably did nothing to change anyone else opinion. For every fact you believe you have someone has a similar fact they believe.

  • Khanivor #253 4 years ago

    You can't even keep track of your own BS, can you swam? You've really got a hard-on for WiFi today, as evidenced by your first post in the thread.

    Q: Why are there always more Sony fanbois in a console fight thread than MS?

    A: Because the MS ones are too busy playing games.

  • AOFanboi #254 4 years ago

    *sigh* For your next trick, post "bmwlol" and laugh at people who choose to buy expensive BMW cars over the cheaper and more popular (and therefore better in every way) Toyotas...

    It sucks that we don't get the DS3 now, but that is because Europe sucks because it's not one country. Yet, anyway...

  • Khanivor #255 4 years ago

    You're a grade-A fucking loon, is what you are.

  • thinktank #256 4 years ago

    Swam I have no one blocked, I am not really troubled by words on my screen that much.

    If I'm singling you out swam I'm sorry but you appear to be by far the most prevalent poster on this matter. It just baffles me why you construe some one else's opinion that one console is better suited to there needs as an attack on your purchasing decision. Why you further feel the need to 'set them straight' only clarifies the fact that you have no have grasp on the concept of a personnel opinion.

    For example I prefer live to psn but that doesn't mean I think every one who elected to use psn is ‘wrong’ because they don't agree with me, why the fuck do I care? If there having a blast using psn and I’m enjoying live where is the fucking problem??? I’ll tell where it is, its right here with wazzacks (love that word!!) like you who would rather aimlessly pontificate about how there opinion is the decisive conclusion on things gaming than do some thing enjoyable, like uhh I dunno play your fucking PS3.

    Also to all those people justifying the price of live, why you feel the compulsion to defend MS for charging you play online on system you already bought, with a game you already bought, on a service the has massive profit margin’s selling digital media, which on top of everything now has advertising!!! Your loyalty is as miss guided as poor swam here, personally my relationship with MS ends when I get the product/service and they get my money.

    Think you guys could do me a favour and take a long hard look for your individuality.

  • thinktank #257 4 years ago

    "Go and play your £40 a year XBOX Live and leave us PS3 owners alone."

    For fucks sake, you missed my point completely at what stage is anything I've said an 'attack ' on PS3 owners, my attack is squarely aimed at narrow minded pillocks (another classic) like yourself. I'll shorten the whole the whole thing down to match your intellect and phrase it in such a way you can understand.

    YOU MAKE YOUR CHOICE, ok still with me? This is the hard bit, LET OTHER PEOPLE MAKE THEIR CHOICE. Right let it sink in.... IF THEIR CHOICE IS DIFFERENT TO YOURS, ok really pay attention now!! IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE WRONG, winding up now nearly finished! THIS IS CALLED A PERSONNEL OPINION.

    Now if any of that went over your head see me after class and we can see about getting you some extra lessons.

    By the way when you start defining yourself by what console you own that’s really fucking sad, 'us PS3 owners'…………. sort it out swam.

  • George-Roper #258 4 years ago

    'Sort it out, swam.'

    That made me LOL, good and proper =)

    @swam

    I saw your reply to my post and decided it was to my eyes what a vindaloo is to my arse. Painful and leaky. Get my drift?

    Edit: Sorry, just had to comment about the whole '3 quid/month, wtf are you on about?' drivel you also plopped into your response to my post. The way you're going on about this is so completely retarded, it beggars belief. For less then the cost of one full price game you can gain access to an integrated, regularly updated, maintained online service for a full year .

    If having already spent hundreds of pounds on the console itself, plus any accessories to go with, you think a paltry 35 quid extra is somehow a 'deal breaker', you need to seek professional help. Its a no brainer and certainly isn't anything that would somehow dissuade a proper gamer from buying a console. In fact, if Sony were to offer a 'Premium' membership for PSN, which then presented weekly, guaranteed, updates and access to better performing dedicated servers, I'd snap their hand off, simply because I don't consider 3 quid/month to be anything other than a very, very minor inconvenience when compared against the amount of money I spend on games each year.

    Its seriously like watching someone grabbing at straws in some strained attempt to 'preach' the ways of Sony. Tragic. It wouldn't be so bad if you actually owned a 360, thus could speak from a position of personal experience.
    Edited by George-Roper at 24/04/08 @ 00:31

  • Calgon #259 4 years ago

    Prodigy_BE you are obviously a Sony fan but Im going to respond anyway just this once and say I disagee.

    Now the RROD is clearing up finally, surely the 360 is far and away the safest bet for the future, Sony's in-house the main reason did you say? MS have said they have alot to announce we dont know about this year... maybe some of that has to do with first party?

    While we are on that subject of Sony's first party support, where are all the first party games then?(surely if the teams are that big then they'd get games out quicker than third parties, aswell as Nintendos and MS' first party studios, not stupidly slower... the "only been out 5 minutes" line is waring a bit thin now and its the excuse for everything despite neither Nintendo or MS not having to use that one).

    They're going to make you wait again and again to get your moneys worth... if you think about it Sony use this tactic all the time, promise lots on the horizon and amazingly thats enough to keep some gamers happy, the anticipation rather than the experience.

    Untapped potential(bullcrap every system has it, times up on the once devs get used to it excuse),
    Free Online just as good as live(we'll see),
    will eventually have the most exclusives because of this allegedly biggest first party support(and they actually make games do they? AAA quality ones? we're waiting as always Sony Im seeing a pattern here)

    Might aswell wait for the end of the generation for a PS3 then(not buying one at all out of principle now myself) and it will serve them right if alot of people do that, I just dont trust Sony on anything untill I see it with my own eyes because we know what they are like.
    Edited by Calgon at 24/04/08 @ 00:38

  • Ryze #260 4 years ago

    swamlol

  • George-Roper #261 4 years ago

    @swam

    "Are you lot still dribbling on about how anyone who defends the PS3 must be a 100% zony Zealot?

    Dear oh dear"

    Using the word 'defend' speaks volumes on what your actual motives are and also what your relationship with a lump of plastic and electricity is...

    Prob the same relationship our lass has with her lump of plastic and electricity. Except in your case, ITS UP YOUR ARSE!

    YEAH, YOU HEARD ME!!

    /growl

  • davisorle #262 4 years ago

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  • LittleVoice #263 4 years ago

    Post deleted at 18:03:32 01-02-2012

  • Madder-Max #264 4 years ago

    "Seems the GTA IV advert is making the PS3's perceived value drop to the masses - many on here would find it hard to believe (myself included but it seems to be true) there are still millions of homes out there without a HD TV set - so the Blu- Ray addition is inconsequential (obviously if they have a crap TV uncompressed 7.1 audio is probably not going to be swaying them either); "

    Spot on. the future aint quite here yet Sony.

  • anomagnus #265 4 years ago

    @Swam

    I fear it is YOU that is talking arse

    How many people do i know with an apple tv (and bear in mind i worked in apple sales for three years) none
    Iphone - None

    Wii - i know TONNES of people with a wii, most of them use it when they have friends around, and couldnt be arsed with it after that. Wi Fi doesnt come into it

    Using lap top in wi -fi spots - maybe one or two uses their laptops in an airport once in a while, but stop pretending that Wi-fi has become indispensable in everyones life.

    As for the 40quid a year, i actually use live to talk to my friends in America and Austrilia - which let me tell you, 40 quid a year is ONE HELL OF A SAVING

    As for platform exclusives, which games are best etc, reviews are entirely subjective, but if you want to go down that path, i;m MORE than happy with the Xbox, with licenses like Gears, Halo3, Mass Effect, etc

    Quite frankly, xbox live is outstanding value for money, and the simple fact is, if it were reversed and the ps3 had live, you;d be crowing about it

    swam, no offense but you sound like a tech twat, talking about all this tech, and wi fi and other services, that most normal people don't give a shit about.

    Simply put - live allows me to talk to my firends, play against, get great casual games, all for 40 quid a year

    It doesnt fucking matter if you like live or not, and clearly you only dislike it because you're a pathetic ps fanboy, the point it is, it does exactly what it say it does, and it does more than anything sony currently offers, despite two years in the market.

    christ, all sony have is a half finished home, which ultimately will be nothing more than a pedo grooming site, and a second life refugee camp

    Get a grip and get off your high horse

    Just another illustration of the xbox live value - sunday past was talking to a friend in australia for about 90 minutes - with bt, that's £21.90 - i've made probably about a dozen calls like that this year so far, roughly, thats 240 quid just on calls.

    Shit, i even used to it to talk to my parents when my sisters boyfriend left his xbox at their place

    Swam - and you think live is poor value???????!!!!!!!
    Edited by anomagnus at 24/04/08 @ 10:04

  • anomagnus #266 4 years ago

    and as for the most pathetic argument of all, that blu ray is a deciding factor in anybodies purchase decision, you ps3 fanboys might want to click on this link

    http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option...

    Short version, the ONLY reason there is a blu ray market at the moment is the ps3. Quite frankly, the average joe couldnt give a toss about blu ray

  • DjFlex52 #267 4 years ago

    As for the 40quid a year, i actually use live to talk to my friends in America and Austrilia - which let me tell you, 40 quid a year is ONE HELL OF A SAVING
    ^ ^
    ++ @anomagnus

  • zuljin #268 4 years ago

    So, I'm looking forward to GTA IV... Whats everyone else thinking, 9-10/10? Really like the idea of getting missions via your virtual phone!

    /tries to rail thread back onto happy comments...

  • Amoebalove #269 4 years ago

    I'm going to say what we are all thinking - FUCK OFF swam YOU THICK CUNT!!!!!!

    Sorry i forgot to say - Ha Ha Ha Ha!! apologie you crazy, crazy, crazy bastard!!!
    Edited by Amoebalove at 24/04/08 @ 09:55

  • bad09 #270 4 years ago

    swam if you hate that people like 360 so much you feel you need to convert them sod off to the sony website. The ps3, is a good all round console but has it's faults just like every console ever. We all enjoy a bit of "fanboy" banter and it can be a laugh, but the lengths you are going to trying to convince people (or maybe yourself) is utterly ridiculous now and you a really making yourself look very silly, just relax and enjoy your PS3

  • anomagnus #271 4 years ago

    @Swam

    Skype, i still have to pay for in one way or another. MSN messenger, are you suggesting using an MS product??!?1 Ass flaps quaking there buddy

    My point being, perhaps you couldnt grasp it, is that it is ONE facet of a service, and a facet that pays for itself in NO time. When the full package is then taken into account, its clear to anyone except a ps3 fanboy, that it is a great service worth its 40quid a year

    All i see from PSN is a gimped service, hoping, HOPING that home will make a difference

    If sony put less resources into their second life clone, maybe, MAYBE psn would get the boost it needs right now

    More to the point, i haven't actually seen you point to anything of value, other than the fact that PSN is free.

    Wee, its free!!!! Great. I'll compare that with my 3 quid a month. I'd agree with you, if live cost 50 quid a month. But 3 quid? Its a pathetic argument. I spend more than 3 quid a month on fanta, for fucks sake

    Oh, and as for ichat, having worked for apple for three year, i wouldnt put a product of theirs in my house if my fucking cock and balls were on the chopping block
    Edited by anomagnus at 24/04/08 @ 10:32

  • DjFlex52 #272 4 years ago

    anomagnus:
    What a pathetic argument for value for money...

    Ever heard of Skype? Or MSN Messenger? or iChat? or Yahoo Messenger?

    @swam
    ....doesn't sound pathetic to me
    I didn't know you could play online games like COD4 and RSV2 on Skype, MSN Messenger and Yahoo while you chatted with friends ;)

    edit: I guess headbog is truly dead now since you're always swam now...huh?
    Edited by DjFlex52 at 24/04/08 @ 10:28

  • Penguinzoot #273 4 years ago

    @swam

    FFS just give it up. As a PS3 owner myself, I find you an embarassment - just Like Headbog (who is conspicous by his absence since you appeared), and Apologie.

    Why can't you accept that other people have different opinions and leave it at that? The fact that you have an opinion on something like, I dunno, The Role of WiFi in Modern Consumer Electronics, does NOT automatically make other peoples opinions wrong or invalid, merely different. The fact that you appear to think so says a lot about you.
    Edited by Penguinzoot at 24/04/08 @ 10:35

  • anomagnus #274 4 years ago

    and can i also add, i am not a total xbox fanboy.

    Firstly, i waited over year for the 360, dismissing its start up library as pants.

    That is EXACTLY what i am doing with PS3, and when the MGS4 bundle comes out, i'll be purchasing that bad boy HARD

    But swam, you annoy me with your constant pissing on the xbox. It has its faults, so focus on them, bitching about 3 quid a month on live seems churlish to the extreme, and your bull shit facts have brought out the worst in me. MS have a good console out, and whatever you may think of it, Mass Effect was the pinnacle of gaming for me so far.

    i suspect you're a tech elitist, and your constant mentioning of apple products does little to dissuade me. Most people don't give a shit about the things you're talking about.

  • zedzee #275 4 years ago

    OK, let me get this straight:

    A gimped PS3 model with a mediocre HDD size.
    A game version (that delayed the original launch, by the way) that will not expand as much as the X360 version.
    A laughing stock of a controller (see LAIR) that doesn't even have the dual shock ability yet.
    Oh yes, and another £20 over the already overpriced unit.

    Hmm, my guess is most people will buy the X360 version or buy an X360, just to play GTA IV on it and look forward to all those exclusive episodic content that will come out later this year and next year.

    Sony can stuff their extortionately-priced bundles.

  • Widge #276 4 years ago

    jesus christ, why are we even trying to justify which console is right here
    all this fuss about wifi is great, wifi is unnecessary etc, surely this is all in the eye of the individual
    I wanted:

    a) console that would media stream xvids (at the time last year, Tversity was the key for this on PS3)
    b) play HD material (I hedged my bets for bluray)
    c) play my leftover PS2 games (on a 60GB PS3 here)
    d) have my favourite franchises of choice available to me (Final Fantasy and Metal Gear series)
    e) wifi, so no wires trailing across my front room, and for streaming from PC.

    so bobs my bloody uncle for the PS3. I forked out 400 notes for it and regret it not one jot. In the meantime I've been getting more bonuses from the machine as the functions available to it expand, native Divx and PlayTV are just more joys for me.

    I used to have bog standard Live on the past xbox, and so far for me, I've not had an inferior service from PSN than my times on that or using PC networks. Also like the fact, as many people say, like playing on a PC its totally free. Also got a decent stack of 15 or so games, so the mystery of this being a non-gaming machine baffles me.

    So go me, basically. I've got the right machine for me.

    If someone comes along, wants to hardwire a console into a net connection, get up, get going, for under £180 and have the bare bones of it all. They're not going to want the solution that my needs created, its the wrong console for them.

    Thus creates the problem of our 300 comment long thread, we've all bought what was the right choice for us, thereby they are the best consoles of this generation. The anger comes from other people coming along telling each other "no, its rubbish, you are wrong" when clearly they are on the whole very happy.

    This entire argument goes across everything, TVs... people wading in saying the Toshiba Z series is the best, people shouting about their Philips Ambilight, owners going on about Samsung black levels. Plasma owners bemoaning LCDs inability to deal with SD material and motion well, LCD owners getting sharper images and a greater array of choice. Its all down to choice and this argument will go round and round without end.

  • Weezer #277 4 years ago

    A more pointless thread you will never find.

    When did gaming suddenly become a religion, full of zealots and martyrs? Next thing we'll have open warfare between the two console-owning camps.

    It's the Lilliputians versus the Blefuscudians, warring over different ways to eat a boiled egg.

  • zuljin #278 4 years ago

    @Weezer
    You cut the top off, then eat it with strips of white bread.

    There is simply no other way.

    /shakes fist

  • anomagnus #279 4 years ago

    @swam

    you knob jockey, skype is only free to pc's

    you do understand that you STILL have to pay to contact landlines and mobiles. You also understand that you have to pay to get a phone number from skype

    You do know this right?

    contrary to the tech world you seem to live in, not everyone treats their fucking pc like a shrine, and the hub of their entire life

    arrogant fucking prick

  • anomagnus #280 4 years ago

    swam

    refer back to this point, perhaps, yet again, you failed to read it

    'My point being, perhaps you couldnt grasp it, is that it is ONE facet of a service, and a facet that pays for itself in NO time.'

    Had you BOTHERED to read it, i was not referring to voice to voice as the ONLY benefit, rather as one PART of a WHOLE. A whole, GREATER than the sum of its parts.

    as for your rebuttal about skype to skype

    Windows - ahem - does need a computer, am i wrong
    Mac OS X -see above
    Linux - see above
    Windows Mobile - see above
    WiFi phones - see above
    Cordless phones - cordless phones, correct me if i am wrong, but aren't THEY connected to A LANDLINE WHICH YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR if using skype?
    3 Skypephone - i'm surprised you even found this - its got GREAT market penetration, doesnt it?
    Nokia N800/N810 - oh, i know LOADS of people with these.... /sarcasm off
    PSP - lol, THE PSP?!?!?!? with a skype connection - lol yea, again, see above

    You tech elitist jerk

    Let me again, make it simple for you

    Live offers access to arcade, a friend list, voice chat, regular updates, player vs player. All for 3 quid per month

    It is considerably cheaper than your solution of

    A ps3 for games, with psn
    a computer with a skype connection to talk to friends. Which, because you were too fucking thick to understand, i do not get free calls, because they dont use skype on their fucking pc, you arrogant, dense twat

    As for mentioning the broadband fee, i assume that PSN actually uses the internet, and you connect via broadband? Or has sony progressed past this now with?

    Again, its not my ass quivering

    You have YET to come back with anything constructive, and seem obsessed now about skype. You are so fucking PS3 blinkered, its not even funny. You seem to just love bashing the xbox360.



    Edited by anomagnus at 24/04/08 @ 12:46

  • Les #281 4 years ago

    Is there a problem with EG's ignore function or are all those ignorant fools changing their user names once in a while? I keep hitting the ignore button, very annoying... :(

  • Les #282 4 years ago

    @swam

    There's no reasoning with fools (of which there are quite a lot around here) and there's no point trying to convince people that don't want to be convinced. Just ignore the fanboys and don't try to preach. Most of my discussions around here go something like this:

    - ignorant fool posts a silly remark
    - I point the ignorant fool to the sillyness of his remark
    - The ignorant fool doesn't understand this
    - I try to explain again
    - The ignorant fool gets angry
    - I hit the ignore button

    Sad but true and it does save you a lot of time and energy.

  • Madlax #283 4 years ago

    This topic is still alive ? ....lol at the MS trolls who never get tired, the pay must be real good, i,m now convinced that Microsoft moved it headquarters in here.

    there is absolutely no way that a european loves microsoft so much that he would spend days arguing for them unless hes associated with them in one way or another. no one can possible love to pay for online and feed a corporate company unless hes part of said company.

    leave it to-die already, its nearly over anyway...the PS3 version is out-selling the 360 version by 3-to-1 at ASDA, enjoy the read:

    [link url=http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/playstation-3/news/ps3-gta-outsells-360-31-says-uk-supermarket/a-2008042313244217004/g-20060314115917309058
    ]http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/playstatio...[/link]


  • juuken #284 4 years ago

    You know, usually when something is as cheap as the 360, it's bound to break sooner or later...
    And swam, I know you have good intentions but seriously, don't bother with the mindless xbots. MS is losing the console war little by little and they don't seem to realize it. From the 360 burning houses down, to being sued for patent violation, it's only a matter of time before they finally topple, along with their blind fans.
    Edited by juuken at 24/04/08 @ 15:14

  • Calgon #285 4 years ago

    No Les you get caught out for being a troll who just wants to have the last say no matter how petty, defeated often with fact and logic... you're a speculative anti-MS troll IMO... very little fact, lots of assumptions about things you dont understand and a hypocrite regarding the way all your arguements go... you are every bit as ignorrant as every xbot Ive seen you argue with.

    The fact that there are people DESPERATE to try and convince others against the 360(9 times out of 10 its a PS3 fanboy) says alot about their faith in their own choice(ie a bit anxious) and the fact that you jump to the defense of those actions(not even denying it for them but saying its ok?) just confirmed what you are about. When people offer other sides of the arguement or point out some obvious errors they are labeled Xbots.

    Let them make their own mind up and shove your FUD back up your arse where you pulled it from.

    I dont even care who wins anymore, I just think its pathetic how some sad little people who dont understand anything about these companies think its righteous to attack Xbox fans simply for preferring Xbox... more often than not they know LESS about the industry, the consoles, and the companies behind them and how all these aspects compare... yet look how they preach, my point is who do these sad little people think they are and how cant they see what hypocrites they are?

    Who are the ones really defending a greedy corporation and who are the ones defending the choice they think is best as a gamer? I think there is no answer to that because theres people who can be either of those things on both sides.
    Edited by Calgon at 24/04/08 @ 15:40

  • dnbman #286 4 years ago

    ""Just, as I said, poiting out the obvious."

    Wow, you're really thickheaded, aren't you... :( "

    Not in the slightest you pedantic twat. However I will bow down to your superiority and also the
    fact you have never in your life made a typo.
    (Seriously, that's impressive!)

  • DjFlex52 #287 4 years ago

    "FFS just give it up. As a PS3 owner myself, I find you an embarassment - just Like Headbog (who is conspicous by his absence since you appeared), and Apologie."

    headbog is swam...he's been able to be even more ridiculous since his name change :(

  • elvenscroll #288 4 years ago

    To whoever said this: "A gimped PS3 model with a mediocre HDD size. "

    How is a 40 gig drive mediocre, when its twice the size of the standard 360 one? Besides, both consoles HDD can be upgraded, so whats your point exactly?

    That said though, I honestly couldnt give a fuck what platform everyone buys GTA IV on. As long as my copy turns up on tuesday i'm happy.

  • slivir #289 4 years ago

    This is one PS2 fanboy that's going to buy GTAIV on the 360. Graphics alone aren't enought to sway me over to the PS3 version. I'll be wanting my achievements and DLC tyvm.

    Oh and my 2c on this stupid console argument going on:
    ps2 > xbox
    ps3 < 360

  • zedzee #290 4 years ago

    For those people arguing whether BluRay will influence the sales of the PS3 and whether it's relevant or not to its success, I would say there are two things to consider, one for and one against, when it comes to attempting to predict this outcome.

    I'm not going to pretend that I can predict the outcome, nor am I going to side for or against BluRay/PS3. However, one can make an intelligent assumption and that's the best one can do.

    1. BluRay's success relies upon people having an HD-TV. Whereas DVD didn't, BluRay needs more changes in a typical living room, before it can be appreciated and used more often and considered as a replacement for DVD. Now this may or, as some are already saying, may not happen. So it will either flop or succeed because of other factors; no need to extol its technical virtues - those have been covered enough in many places. But the technology is not as simple as buying a DVD player and sticking it under your telly, you need a new HD-TV and, possibly (for the enthusiast/avid fan), a better sound system as well. All of that costs money.

    2. The PS3 is helping making BluRay a viable solution for HD content, not just because it's won the war against HD-DVD but because it's officially the cheapest BluRay player around. So, if people can achieve the requirements in point 1, above, then with the purchase of a PS3, they will have the whole infrastructure to support HD content.

    So, it's kind of the PS3 helping BluRay and BluRay helping PS3 situation.