Sony E3 Conference Finished
Sony has delivered the third and final E3 platform holder press conference.
It was rather light on announcements, but did unveil PS3 exclusive MAG and show God of War 3 and InFamous trailers. There was lots of talk about the future of PSP as well, with a handful of new games heading its way.
What follows is a blow-by-blow account of all that happened.
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Ready for round two? After much frantic driving and wandering around downtown, we're inside the Shrine Auditorium sitting in front of a bank of giant wall-mounted screens showing PS3 games in action - echochrome, MGS4, GT5, LocoRoco. The show may start late given the amount of people being shipped in from Nintendo's event.
We're having a few internet connection issues at the moment, so if things go haywire we may go to our secondary solution, which isn't as, er, verbose. Hopefully that won't happen, but apologies in advance if it does.
Anyway, the stage has 58 regular-sized LCDs hung around it on scaffold, a massive main screen above the centre and three still-massive LCDs hung to its left and right. There are PS3s on little white coffee tables all around the stage under spotlights. It's elbow to elbow with no spare seats as far as I can see in any direction.
Here we go. All the screens dim and face button icons rain down across the seven big ones as swirly music plays and lights flash. The face buttons all snap together in the centre and make a PS icon. Now there's some gun noise and game video from the likes of inFamous, MotorStorm and Uncharted.
Buzz, Resident Evil, Killzone, BioShock, LBP. It's all very slick with a coordinated light show to back it up. Now they're showing PS2 games and PSP.
PSN logo. Here's PAIN and Ratchet. Soldiers running, SF IV, Ghostbusters. Not sure how this relates to PSN. Anyway, all over, applause, and we welcome...Jack Tretton, president and CEO of SCEA. "Wow, thanks for coming out everybody." Back off, Jack.
He makes a joke about the "brief 12-hour rehearsal yesterday". It's "the most stressful event you can ever imagine". But he's doing it for us. Thanks Jack. "Over the past 80 years, this room has played host to some of the biggest events in the entertainment industry."
Oscars jokes. He's doing well. The one-arm push-up/isn't that guy dead/I'm fat spiel is warming the crowd up nicely.
He mentions Kratos among Nathan Hale, Sackboy and Solid Snake as people who will feature.
He's promising a line-up with "the biggest exclusives in the industry" among other things, and says Sony is "just getting started". History lesson: 15 years ago this week, execs at Sony made a final decision on whether to green-light a Sony videogame console.
The PlayStation "ushered in CD technology to millions of households worldwide just as PS2 introduced DVD technology to the mass-market". Sony "took a longer look ahead", he says. "We committed ourselves to a ten-year vision and then we executed against it."
He's saying 2 years into the PSX they had Crash and Tekken but GT, FFVII, GTA and Tony Hawk were a distance ahead. His point is that PS3 is still in a relative infancy.
GTA San Andreas was year 4 for the PS2, he says, and God of War was year 7. "It took some time for mass migration from PlayStation to PlayStation 2." The PS3 is also a ten-year vision, he says - a high definition experience with Blu-ray standard. "PS3 drove the Blu-ray format to victory and now the Blu-ray format is poised to return the favour."
IBM's using Cell to power its newest supercomputer, he points out, and the Folding@home project set a Guinness world record using the PS3. "1.7 million PS3 users worldwide" had signed up to make it the most powerful distributed computing system.
He's talking about the PS3's versatility - multimedia, games and all the other jazz. He's quoting Henry Ford. "If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they would've said a faster horse."
You get the impression he quite likes the PS3. "Games like MGS4 aren't just exclusive to PS3, they're only possible on PS3."
"PS3 is the obvious choice for a deep pool of functionality and capability." Play games, load pictures, play music and watch HD films. But we're not here to talk about that he says, we're here to talk about "genre-defining kickass games" and 2008 is "all about software".
2008's "waterfall of games" began with GT5 Prologue, GTA IV and MGS4. Those three exceeded expectations, he says. "This is why you buy a PlayStation 3." "While exclusive DLC is nice, exclusive games is what makes up consumers' minds," he says, referencing Microsoft's GTA DLC drum-banging.
Now the PSP. God of War, Patapon, echochrome. And he likes the PS2 as well. Refers to SingStar PS3 and how it flooded the console "with a lot of really really bad singing". Here we go with some PS3 stuff, he says.
It's on the big screen and isn't it a handsome devil. "2008 is the year of the PlayStation 3...but it was also be remembered as the year we set in motion things that will define the industry" for blah blah blah. And now Resistance 2 from Insomniac Games.
Live demo. We're in a US city under skyscrapers and an alien building hanging over the cityscape. Bloody hell, there's a gigantic Cloverfield-minnowing boss climbing through the streets and leaning on skyscrapers for support. It picks up Hale and he fires a rocket into its mouth. The city's partly submerged, we can see as we're waved around. Hale reloads and darts inside a building.
The monster peers in through the half-broken windows as Hale ascends a stairway around the edge. It flobs through the windows, charmingly. Hale's still going up the stairs to get above the monster, and stares it in the face. It looks like a blowfish Godzilla or something. Hale goes across a giant crane into an adjacent building as it slaps the ground from behind him.
Down the stairs he goes as it scrapes at the walls. The level's similar to Resistance 1 in detail levels apart from the draw distance, which is epic, and the enormous stupidly ugly alien boss whose mouth he's just shot another rocket into. He's thrown across the skyline through a skybridge walkway. He's told he needs to lure it under the bridge as the demo ends.
Ted Price (I think) is onstage. The Chimera are converting the population in the early 50s and Chicago has been abandoned and is enemy territory. The 300-foot tall leviathan we just saw and mile-wide Chimeran battleships are examples of how generally screwed the US is. The spires rained down are full of "twisted creatures" spreading a plague.
"Resistance 2 is much more than a single-player campaign." It's got eight-player co-op and 60-player competitive, as you know. "Scale" is their buzzword for Resistance 2. It describes the bosses, the expansive environments, the giant Chimeran warships "looming over the country", and the "epic battles" of SP, co-op and competitive.
"Resistance 2 offers more than any shooter in 2008." We're going to see the new Twin Falls, Idaho level with captured footage. Ted exits as the trailer comes on.
A radio VO accompanies shots of Twin Falls looking brutalised. Chimeran walker robots as big as your house, playgrounds smouldering, streets awash with wrecked cars, battleships hanging over autumnal scenes and "burning disfigured wreckage" - thanks Mr VO.
The leviathan pokes its head out again as we get flashes of other huge Chimeran monsters. Nathan Hale switches off the radio and we see a shot of the Golden Gate Bridge as half a dozen Chimeran warships float eerily across the fiery background. That's that. "That game looks amazing, Ted, as always," says Jack Tretton as he comes back on-stage.
User-generated content is "one of the most exciting possibilities" for current gamers, says Jack. LittleBigPlanet is a poster-child for it, of course. "We all take pride in mastering a new game, but LBP allows gamers to design their own games." So to speak. User-generated content, social networking and gaming all come together in LBP, he says.
He's going to do the biz update and industry overview. But he's going to do it in LBP!
Alex Evans from Media Molecule is going to come on-stage. The level has a Sony stage on-screen and Sackboy is there standing in front of the PS logo. Alex, controlling, decks Sackboy out in a Boston shirt and Sackboy grins broadly and runs to the side of the stage into the level.
Heh, it's a big graph and as Sackboy runs across coloured panels they rise to bring up signs - 6.6 billion dollars of revenue in the first six months of 2008 for gaming. Sackboy stands under a 23 billion dollars logo to show what the industry might generate.
1.8 million PS3s have been sold this year and 1.6 million PSPs. Sackboy reveals this with a lever. 1.5 million PS2s. More than 5 million units across PlayStation family in the US in first six months of 2008. Sackboy stands in front of a 5 million logo and runs right to the top of a hill above a flower.
Sony is "turning our attention south" to Latin America, and Sackboy demos this by standing in front of some trucks trundling along. 9m PS2s, 10m PS3s, 15m PSPs - fiscal 2008 projection. Sorry if this is a bit bland - it's hard to keep up!
New games to join Greatest Hits programme in the US on PS3. USD 29.99 retail for Resistance, MotorStorm and WarHawk later this year, plus COD3, Fight Night, NFS Carbon. Sackboy is riding a conveyor belt past the game boxes. R6 Vegas, Ass Creed, Oblivion, Ninja Gaiden Sigma. All going Greatest Hits.
Sackboy exits right in a pink LittleBigPlanet truck with a "Coming October 2008" banner on top of it as the crowd laughs and cheers. That was a bit more amusing than the usual graphs. Hopefully they'll release that as a video. Alex says that he finds it amazing that the concept of creative gaming has been accepted completely by people.
He reiterates the October date once again. Jack sends Alex away and heads back to centre-stage. "Personally this is one of my favourite games with absolutely unlimited potential," he says. It's a "tentpole release".
Next, then, PS2. The console's success has "allowed us to be more aggressive with our approach on PS3" says Jack. It's always been a platform "for the biggest games". 130 titles for PS2 this year and they're doing a showreel to remind us what to expect. Yakuza, Star Wars and others pop up. NCAA Football 09, Tiger Woods, Force Unleashed...
...Warriors Orochi 2 (calm down Dave), SingStar Pop Vol. 2, Yakuza 2, Madden XX, Mercenaries 2. Remember, this is all PS2. And the reel ends and Jack's back. He says the PS2 is distinguished by its history of games for everybody. "The biggest brands in the industry are still delivering games on PS2."
SingStar, Rock Band and Guitar Hero exemplify PS2's social gaming strength, says Jack, and Sony helped establish this trend. Buzz has a bunch of new products out this year, for instance, including the PSP version we got the other month (out in the US this September) and there are themed packs for PSN for PS3 users.
SingStar's had more than 15 million global sales across its many SKUs, he says. Loads of songs downloaded on PS3 (I think he said 1.9 million but can't be sure). LEGO Batman PS2 bundle coming with console, game and a Justice League video DVD for USD 149 in the US later this year.
Our next topic of discussion is PSN, he says. Phew. "This is a generation whose digital identity is as important to them as their driving licence." Single sign-on for all the PlayStation Network will be online this year - PC, PS3, PSP etc.
This will make it easier to migrate from PS2 to PS3, he reckons, and Sony shares gamers' goal of establishing PSN as the industry-leader, he says. Here's the PS3 Store on-screen. More than 20 million pieces of content downloaded last month - over 180 million downloads since the PS3 launch, he says. 40 days to hit 5 million PSN accounts, 10 million accounts since.
And now he's going to show us some games. "And what's an E3 press conference without a few surprises?" (Well, Nintendo's on this morning's evidence.) Here's Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest For Booty.
It's a "new concept" says Brian Allgeier from Insomniac. It's a shorter game with action, suspense, mystery and humour as per Ratchet. Graphically it looks as good as the PS3 release, of which this is a continuation. "It begins where Tools of Destruction left off." Platforming, exploration and a bit more thinking is required. Wrench head pops up and you get an energy tether to manipulate objects.
You can pick stuff up with the wrench - e.g. grubs that light up caverns as a torch. We see a 2D-perspective bit as well as the majority in 3D. Brian reckons it's a great introduction to what R&C is all about. Jack looks impressed as the demo ends. It's PS3-only this summer for USD 14.99.
They have a lot more like that planned, he says. "You don't have to choose between quality and quantity - you can have both." He knocks XBL a bit by saying they're not interested in filling up the store with games no one wants to play.
PSN trailer reel shows us Ratchet & Clank again, Crash Commando (nothing to do with Bandicoot mind - a 2D shooter), Fat Princess (top-down shooter/slasher in colourful graphics), Pixeljunk Eden, PAIN Amusement Park, flOwer (which we're seeing tomorrow - core, gorgeous), Siren Blood Curse (out 24th July, remember)...
Ragdoll Kung Fu: Fists of Plastic (from Media Molecule presumably). And that's that. Jack's back. PSN has "a wide library of great exclusive content".
Another "visionary use" of the PSN is evident in GT5 Prologue, he says, referring to GT TV. It offers lots of automotive videos, he says. Pay-per-view stuff soon and we've got a trailer for that too. "This is the true beginning of Gran Turismo TV" says the movie trailer voice-over man in that voice. '08 Nurburgring 24h footage, All about Ferrari (showing inside Ferrari HQ with Kazunori Yamauchi and the Fiarano test course), The GT-R Legend review.
D1 Grand Prix, etc. And of course Top Gear. Distribution starts on GT TV, says VO man, but doesn't do any dates or anything. Jack's back, maybe he can shed some light. And say something interesting.
"This content will be available starting August 1st." You show me up, Jack.
Gamers are "in it today for the community experience" he says. Trophies etc give users bragging rights functionality and this will be expanded upon in some vague way soon. Which brings us to PlayStation Home. "Your patience will be more than rewarded", he says, when the open beta happens. But when, Jack?
"We've made incredible progress and we've got some great developer and publisher support" for game-spaces etc. Ubisoft's already been active in the Home beta, with EA, Activision, LucasArts, Nike and so on are interested. We're going to see a video to show us what the experience will be all about...
"Meet new friends", it says. Some avatars dance in a disco. "Make it yours." Customising homestead and clothing. Some bowling and snooker. "Living game spaces." Uncharted space has posters on the wall and here's some Resistance-inspired pods. Warhawk area looks like the bridge of a Klingon ship. And that's the video. A smattering of applause.
And he's not saying anything else! He's moving on to the TV/film download service, which he's unveiling today. He's saying thanks to the other bits of Sony for making it possible. "But this isn't just about Sony content," so he thanks other people. The PSN's video delivery service will have Sony Pictures, Fox Film and TV, MGM, Lion's Gate, Warner, Disney, Paramount, Turner and Funimation on day one.
"We're offering both rental and electronic sell-through". USD 1.99 per episode of TV in SD, 2.99 to 5.99 for HD rentals and up to 14.99 for HD purchases. This will all be handled from a single PSN login.
"This content is portable." You can put it on PSP as well, and take it with you on the road, "or both". Multiple devices at the same time. Eric Lempel from PSN is coming on-stage to walk us through it. Eric loads up the XMB and goes to the PS3 Store and has to sign in first. In the upper-left there's a Video tab and it loads the video store.
The interface is similar. Categories down the left - New Arrivals, Movies, TV, Anime, HD, Rental, Purchase, Top Downloads. He goes to Movies and can go to sub-categories - he views by studio, which brings up the logos we saw earlier.
He clicks on Lion Gate and icons on the right let you pick stuff while three boxes on the left highlight the big ones. Each movie studio's page has custom background. He shows how you can change to a list view and loads up Walk Hard which can be rented for USD 2.99 in SD. He can preview the content with a trailer and go full-screen by hitting square.
Jack asks how long it takes to download an SD movie. An hour for a two-hour SD movie, he says, probably, and you can start watching a movie as it's downloading. Eric's going to talk about the difference between rental and purchase, apparently. He goes to Cloverfield and you can buy the HD version for USD 14.99 or rent it or whatever.
He's showing how you can instantly copy a movie to the PSP. You can go to the PS3 store and hook up to the PC and PSP and PS3 and PC and blah blah blah blah. "That's awesome," says Jack. Everyone claps. Good demo, like, but a bit flat. Still, the video store's a "huge step" according to Jack, and it's "one of the purest expressions yet of this company's ultimate value proposition". The video store goes live TONIGHT, he says. That is quite cool.
"Check back often as we'll be adding new titles each week." This store is key to Sony's overall strategy, says Jack. And now we're going to "talk a little bit more about PSP". He points out that the PSP Slim drove sales "through the roof" last year. He likes how he can play games "everywhere I go in gorgeous resolution. And 13 million [people] in North America have come to the same conclusion."
He says the Entertainment Pack hardware bundles "contributed significantly" to sales and the God of War pack did the same thing earlier this year. He's also announcing a new Entertainment Pack targeted to the younger demographic. Ratchet & Clank Size Matters Entertainment Pack - silver PSP, game, National Treasures 2 film UMD and 1GB Memory Stick DUO, and a PSN voucher for echochrome, for USD 199 in total.
Resistance Retribution announced for PSP. By Bend Studio. A video shows Nathan Hale doing some climbing and third-person shooting. Chimera getting some in much the same way they do on PS3, in familiar-looking environments - cities, storm drains, alien ships.
Spring 2009 release date for that one, says the screen. Jack puts on a broad grin.
He says the PSP's 35m worldwide installed base demonstrates why there's "such traction" in the PSP development community. "Let's take a look at some of the new PSP software highlights for this and next year." More video.
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Madden NFL 09, LocoRoco 2 (looks wicked - lots of tilty puzzle goodness), NBA 09 The Inside, Super Stardust Portable (ooh, that's nice - lacks the world-surface movement in favour of a more familiar shoot-'em-up style), LEGO Batman, Patapon 2, Buzz! Master Quiz...
Valkyria Chronicles. The bloke next to me has given up watching and has been emailing for about the last ten minutes. Trailer reel over and Jack's back, hands clasped again. "Frankly we've always felt that PSP is one of the keys to Sony owning the living room," he says. It's got flexible memory capacity, movies, crystal clear sound, amazing screen - it's "every bit the hybrid device inside and outside the living room that we've all imagined".
We're into hour two and they haven't actually announced any PS3 games yet. But here we are back with Sony's headliner and Jack's having a swig of water while we admire the big graphic on-screen.
"We're the only player in the industry that has embraced open platforms," he says. Google likes that for instance. You can record MLB 09 The Show video and send it to YouTube, he points out. Meanwhile Life with PlayStation (out this month) will bring news and weather to your lounge. He brings up SOE and "officially welcome Sony Online here today".
They're going to show us DC Universe. Ironically, Eurogamer's rat-punching editor Oli Welsh is off seeing Champions Online right now, so we'll have to fill him in by lovingly observing what's shown. No rats yet. Here's Jim Lee from SOE to show us what to expect. He's executive creative director of the game and he's just done some one-handed push-ups for some reason. He's "literally pumped to be here today".
He's going to show us a "little snippet". It's a dream project for Jim, apparently. He's telling us about how when he grew up his parents wanted him to be a doctor, but all he wanted to do was read comics and play videogames. He was the first Paladin on his server to get the Fiery Avenger or something in WOW. Presumably that was more recently.
"Imagine being able to create your own superhero or supervillain and enter the DC universe." You can help Batman take down the Joker and so on. "Imagine being a villain and helping all the inmates at Arkham Asylum escape to attack the Bat-cave." Or you could show us some video, Jim.
Ah, he is going to show us. "Just a sneak peak", he reiterates. Superman and Batman are shown in their usual surroundings. It's a very sexy-looking game-world and we're shown Jim Lee doing some work on a whiteboard in-between. The Flash is seen legging it around a city and running up the side of buildings. Fight against or alongside Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Joker and other "DC legends".
"Make the world your weapon. Crush your foes. And become the ultimate superhero or supervillain. The door to the DC Universe has opened. Now is the time to build your legacy. The time has come. The future awaits. The next legend is you." Some unconvincing fire to end on and a quick shot of a lanky Joker. Big applause.
Jack's back! "Great content and one-handed push-ups. I've seen it all now." Oh Jack. He's reiterating what they've done since launch on PS3 and says they're increasing the value proposition. "We've decided to make the 80GB PlayStation 3 the primary focus of our hardware line-up." The next 80GB Core Pack will have the same functionality of the 40GB model, he says, at USD 399.99. That's the current price, I think, but I guess the SKU has been revised.
He says that he wants to make the transition for PS2 owners to PS3 as easy as possible, and reckons this initiative will assist with that. My battery's got 19 minutes left so I hope he's winding up, but at the same time I really hope he isn't. We need some new games, Jack!
Now we're getting a reel of devs saying how much they like the PS3. A man from Treyarch says they're "a lot more at home". An EA man says there's "a lot more we can do". A Far Cry 2 Ubi man says that they can do more of everything. Fallout 3 producer Gavin Carter says "the SPUs are much more important" than they were on Oblivion.
Ben Mattes says it's "night and day" difference between AC dev and Prince of Persia. Now we're getting some of their views on storage. It's going to be "very useful for Far Cry 2." Is this a parody? A Star Wars man says they want to "push the technology further in games". Carlos Cuello, lead producer on BioShock PS3 says they're "really only limited by your own internal processes".
Gavin says built-in HDD "is a gold mine". And now their views on long-term PS3 development. EA man says PS2 owners are migrating in large numbers. Treyarch man says they're going to see AI being done on the SPU and stuff. 2K man says there aren't "many games that even use 80 per cent of the SPUs".
Jack's back. "As you can see, there's a tremendous amount of support from our publishing partners." He says that they've had an unprecedented line-up of exclusive content with "23 exclusive games on PS3 alone". He's going to show us a line-up that will "actualise what I've been saying here today". So here's the inevitable PS3 reel. MotorStorm 2 video first.
Nope, sorry, that was just a teaser. Now they're into it properly. LBP is on-screen - lots of funky levels. Now MotorStorm (TV show about this going up soon by the way), MGS4, Quantum of Solace, SOCOM Confrontation, Ghostbusters, Soulcalibur IV, Resistance 2 (bit of multiplayer here - nice and sunny for once), The Agency, Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm, Mirror's Edge (slick as ever), Resident Evil 5.
SingStar PS3, Guitar Hero: World Tour, NBA 09 The Inside, Buzz! Quiz TV, Killzone 2 (same level we saw at PS Day), and a bunch of others in quick succession. That's it for that trailer and Jack's back again. "I'm sure you can see why we're so excited about the rest of the year," he says.
Beyond holiday season, "God of War 3 is coming to PS3." They're going to show a trailer.
Rain falls on a storm-ridden Lord of the Rings-looking Olympus. Kratos silhouetted. "In the end there will be only chaos." Logo. Lightning bolts. More of a teaser than anything, that. Applause from the crowd.
Now they're going to show a bit of inFamous. Choose between being a hero or an anti-hero, says Jack. It's Sucker Punch's openworld superhero game. They're reiterating the story at the start of the game - the player emerges from a blast in the centre of a city, and something was "beginning" inside the character.
"Why did I survive?" We see the player doing Force Lightning-style attacks and big rooftop jumps. Violence is very compellingly animated.
Spring 2009 says the screen. "One final title we'd like to talk about." A massive action online game from Zipper Interactive. MAG.
MAG, says Andy Beaudoin, lead designer, is a new IP from Zipper. MAG stands for Massive Action Game. Battles of up to 256 players with large-scale airdrops, heli drops, multi-front assaults. Only real players. Teams being broken down into squads led by players who have proven themselves as strong leaders.
Character advancement tree will allow you to fine-tune soldiers to fit play styles, and rank up to assume greater roles within the squads. It's supposed to combine large-scale combat with the intimacy of squad combat. They're showing a first trailer.
The trailer's showing a huge army advancing on a military encampment. It's all CG though unless we're being presumptive. There's a flick to a top-down view of the battlefield - a kind of commander's view. There are rocket emplacements and APCs and swarms of infantry and rooftop snipers.
One soldier pulls out a rocket and fires it just as he's shot, and it still hits filling the screen with fire. The pace changes and we see soldiers stepping over bodies as jets fly from above and air-strike the base. The camera zooms out into the sky and reminds us: 256 players, 8-player squads. End of trailer. Big round of applause.
And with my battery on fumes, Jack seems to be winding up. "If this is what year 2 of the PlayStation 3 life cycle looks like, imagine what years 3 and 4 look like," he says. He thanks everyone and we're out. That's it.
Thanks to everyone for tuning in to EG's live text coverage of the E3 conferences! See you in Leipzig!
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ROFL!!! Any respect I had for your views are gone now. "
I think you read that wrong Rash. What I mean is that MS doesn't have to fight for software on their machine any more since almost everybody is (or wants to) developing games on 360. So the "battle for exclusives" is not a big issue for MS versus the PS3. They had that problem on the original XBox... now they have full support from everybody and their dog. So for MS anything that appears on PS3 will probably appear on 360 (or a similar game)... not so with the Wii
"You can't level the same charges at Sony or Nintendo as their demographics have been historically much more consistent"
Arbiter ? You are not making sense dude. How the hell did Nintendo and Sony get this magical "consistent" demographic. BY MAKING FUCKING GAMES FOR THEM. Apparently, according to you, MS cannot do this... because of.. err... blablablablabla. Bullshit being the keyword here. I suggest you think before you write anything the next few years.
The same developers are demoing their games live on 360 on stage and all over the internet,what an irony...
As for FF,i am sure that EG will have in depth comparison and we all know how that will end,don't we...
kingkat, 256 players all onscreen at once for Wii? you're havin' a laugh. And what makes you think MS would restructure their Live infrastructure now? They wouldn't do it for Epic and UT3.
Havin' a laugh? No not really, just thinking about it from a technical point of view. First of all, the graphics are flat out the easiest part of the MAG concept to do. There will never actually be 256 players on the screen at once, and even if there were, any of the current consoles, including Wii, are capable of rendering thousands of game objects, or players, simultaneously. Fair point that a Wii version wouldn't look as polished but the concept is still possible.
No, the challenge is in making 256 instances of the game world run consistently without divergance. The challenge is in the network code and the server / client set-up. The quality of the experience will depend hugely on bandwidth and latency between server and players.
As for LIVE, MS have allowed developers to extend the functionality for years, even on the original Xbox. That's how the EA thing works for logging into EA Central or whatever they call it these days. Admittedly the EA experience is horrible so maybe it's not a good example but again, my point was only that it would be possible on Xbox, therefore calling Sony out on their "only possible on PS3" bullshit.
Thinking about it all since makes me wish there had been more info on Huxley.
Surely next gen MS will have a bluray too?
I don't care about other people but I do care about a game getting crippled.
True. It will do nothing for 360, so late in its life cycle. But it does set the stage for the 720: FF lovers might be tempted to get one from the start.
Your right Sony are just plodding along which is exactly why we're seeing Tekken 6 and Gran Turismo 5, and Wipeout 24!!!! They really are just re hashing everything which made them successful in the first place, if thats what you want as a gamer then absolutely fine, go for it. But wether its a question of wether they have changed radically then remember their U turn on Online Gaming, remember their recent U turn on High Def it would seem, they poo pooed Digital Movie downloads for the superior Blu Ray, but this E3 they announced Movie purchases over PSN??? I think they seem stupid, really how many times will they shit on a good idea from Microsoft then incorporate it into the PS3?
Nintendo on the other hand dipped their feet into the ring and got bruised badly with previous consoles and have now targeted everyone else as their gamer, the kids, the gramps and women (no offence). To say they didnt have to change what they have been doing is silly, of course they had to change. They tried to compete with the other 2 for a piece of the high end game market and got smacked. The decided they should go back to doing what they do best, make kids games. Which works well. So again, these guys have changed quite a lot.
Microsoft however, really didnt have anything historical behind them other than shooters for the hardcore. Agreed. They have now decided to appeal to that person who has kids and who wants some fun, but darn it, that Gears of War looks great fun for me. I see the point, with the Wii honestly, playing Wii Sports or Mario Kart gets old after an hour, its great fun, but after that hour im back on COD4 or something else serious. Thats me i'll admit, but what im saying is they see that like me people get bored of the Wii and want to play the latest game which is popular on the PS3 or Xbox 360, so they have decided to cater to both to maximise the potential of the console.
Finally, i dont need kids games on the xbox as i have a wii, but at the end of the day i see why they are doing it, change is good. As long as they keep making great games while feeding the other demographics in kids and gramps then go for it MS.
ROFL!!! Any respect I had for your views are gone now.
Actually I'll agree with you there. It will likely be popular like the TV series it is based on. I think it misses something when compared to other successful mainstream popular stuff though - e.g. Wii Sports / Wii Fit. From a gaming perspective it'll still be a crock'o'shite where as WiiSports is great fun full stop.
It seems like Microsoft is now concentrating on the Wii only.
You guys are the first to claim the 360 doesn't have a broad appeal like the PS3 (*cough*). MS has almost ALL the games developers on the planet writing for their console... they are home free with support for the hardcore market. Now they think it is time to move in closer to Nintendo. Wrong strategy? Maybe... but it makes sense. Software wise Sony is not a competitor any more. Trying to open up some new markets might bring in new 360 gamers.
Don't you think the same could be said of Sony though? (i.e. fighting Nintendo and MS). With the added point that Sony are behind both of them.
"I just don't believe for a second that slapping a family friendly skin on top of Live and releasing a few casual/family game titles is going to drastically change perceptions of what has been an extremely hardcore gamer focussed platform for the past 3 years!"
I think it will work better than Home. They took all the good points from Home like party's and avatars and made them slicker, friendlier and better in my opinion. They need to learn something on the game front for the family market but they have made leaps and bounds with the interface.
No need to apologise. Amsterdam covers a huge amount of wrong doings all by itself
It's a Dutch TV show format actually. As is the Endemol Company.
The rest of the Dutch are very sorry for bringing this and Big Brother into the world...
It's not the interaction which is the problem. It's the core design considerations are incorrect from the outset.
Yes but my point was it was designed and structured as aTV show where it is for a TV audience rather than enjoyment of the participants necessarily. A game developed specifically as a video games is always going to be at an advantage as it can adapt to the format rather than pandering to the audience. Take "Deal or no Deal" for example - also coming as part of the deal. Very successful TV show but it's going to be a shite video game. All the tension and drama they generate in the TV show wouldn't translate so you are left with what is effectively a pick a box game. Obviously I don't know enough about 1vs100, but based on other Endomol example I'm just say don't expect too much. If they go on to specifically develop some games for the videogame market rather than TV I'd be more interested.
The more interesting element in the deal I'd say was the ability to win real prizes.
And as for "only possible on a PS3" I imagine any developer willing to seriously invest in servers for a server / client model could make this game, certainly on PC, probably on Xbox 360 if operating as an extension of LIVE and even on Wii, if Nintendo suddenly went full-on crazy and decided it was a good idea.
Where is Wipeout HD??
Erm wtf?
You guys wait!!! Any day now the PS3 will deliver!
Broken record?
Seriously... stop this kind of drivel. Say something worthwhile or say nothing. You guys have been shouting about the future day when Sony is top dog. Maybe wait until it actually happens. From where I am standing it hasn't happened yet and it looks very unlikely to happen soon. Maybe if you want it hard enough it will happen in your world?
http://www.nbc.com/1vs100/
It's a US TV show done my Endomol and hosted by Bob Saget.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u
OWgp5iRyKk
Where GOW3 and InFamous all look good I suppose, again these have already been alerted on our radar, so no surprises there.
I really don't understand how some of these blind sods come to some of these conclusions. Oh well. We all thought Ninty were boring in their presentations and yet it's they that are leading the market so clearly those boring presentations must be doing something right. I suspect it'll be the same with Sony. At the end of the day it's not the minority of these dedicated sites that dictate sales but the mainstream casuals that don't give fuck about these conferences.
You sods can gloat all you want, at the end of the day it'll be between Wii and PS3. Though it wouldn't hurt to have that third console for those admittedly brilliant exclusives.
Everyone can make arguments about what they thought was good from "their" presentation, at the end of the day... trying to sing its praises is like trying to win over a Westlife fan with relentless techno. Its not going to work, no matter how wonderful you think it is, they love what they love and they think that is the best.
And I am NOT making associations with consoles and musical genres there, just an example of a mindset!
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/8
90/89048...
I wouldn't actually hold out much on the Endomol deal (1v100 etc.). These are TV games and developed on a much different agenda to computer games. It's about filling time, putting in adverts and stretching out the show with dramatic moments. When you boil it down to how a video game would play out you are better off with a game better designed for the medium (SceneIt or Buzz).
"Sony showed us the same stuff it's been showing for the last eon, plus a couple PSN titles, plus self-congratulation. It was a pathetic showing."
To be a little fairer some of this stuff is actually going to be released within the next 3 months or so, that's what is different. Resistance 2, LBP, Motorstorm 2 all coming in the next couple of months.
A couple of PSN titles is doing it down too much too - there are some full release quality titles in nice bite size chunks (*).
As for the self congratulation. At least it was presented in a really nice way, plus the Sony conference was also about PS2 and PSP where some self congratulation is deserved.
(*) Interesting side point. With MS adding functionality to install full games onto the HDD ISO style there is some interesting conjecture that this is a first step towards full download titles from them too.
Well that makes sense.. they can see shooters are big on the 360. Sadly I think they are running behind a target that they cannot catch in the shooter department.
MS has done the same.. by targeting the Wii
I think it is an indication of how the companies feel at this stage in the "war". Nintendo is happy to be top dog and is just basically cruising to victory right now. MS is happy with their dev support and their user base and is now expanding to try to catch the Wii (that will be hard). Sony is still struggling to carve out a unique spot... hence all the Bluray talk.
The biggest megaton at E3 was that Square-Enix(company that gave xbox zero support last gen,PS2 MMO port this gen) is putting main entry from their top franchise on 360.Dont be surprised if you see more and more Japanese developers putting their games on 360,Wii combo and moving away from PS3.
Sony reaction to that is, lets turn PS3 into a shooter box...
Man, lots of moaners here, there is certainly something in each conference that will delights the owners of each consoles. I think it is also interesting that Sony came last and after where most naysayers already shot down MS and Nintendo and left with... disappointment that Sony could not better the other two.
Aren't we looking too hard at the half empty pint rather than the fact it is half full for our thrills?
Over at http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/ind
ex.html?... they are declaring it a win for MS and second place for Sony and last for Nntendo.
I do think MS shown a lot more for this up to Chrstmas but I certainly was dead keen to try new MAG which iwas a suprise, and yes FXIII on X360 was simply the biggest news no matter how anyone put it.
Sony fans, dont worry still got lots to look forward but Sony certainly need to do far better if they want to edge/destroy out the rivals. Still really loved that LBP presentation and was the high point for me from PS3 Conference!
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comi
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/swoons
Sony owners are derided for getting excited about things but the bollocks and over excitement shown yesterday when FFXIII was confirmed for the 360 was astonishing - this is a game that will be released no earlier than 2010 on the Xbox.
Overall, E3 has done nothing but make a few people foam at the mouth!
We've known the games coming for PS3 this year so I'm cofused by what you were expecting. Did want them to come on to that platform and reiterate what to expect later? That me would've been a colossal waste of time.
I didn't mean focus on market strategy (sorry for the mix up). I meant focus on what we (as gamers) want out of these conferences. I personally feel kinda unfulfilled/disappointed by the whole thing up till now.
Could be that it is to blame on the shift in E3 as a whole and that we have to wait for Leipzig for pure game announcements.
Don't agree. It's just that events like these are irrelevant in the console war, especially at this stage with all consoles at least nearing the second year of their life cycle. MS has a hardcore gamer focus which showed with the amount of headlines they grabbed on sites like EG after their press conference. But in the end 99% of those only addressed the needs of the people that already own their console. Sony has a mixed strategy, tries to capture both the hardcore and the casual, which is bound to fail if your system doesn't have the biggest installed base. Nintendo aims for the big market, like it did from the start with Wii.
Overall, very focused efforts with only one that has lead (and will lead) to success: aiming first and foremost for the casual market.
"in the end, there will be only chaos"
I wanted Heavy Rain, I wanted the new game from the Ico team, I wanted God of War ingame footage.
I got none of that, so I'm not happy.
Sony lie!!!
I'm 100% certain that Hideo Kojima expressed an interest in doing MGS4 for other platforms including the 360, suggesting that it IS possible after all. One gets the impression that Sony think the BD format makes games impossible on the 360 but we know that MGS4 is separated by HDD installs between its five chapters, which kind of makes me think that the game could fit on 5 DVDs and those in turn would be quicker to swap between than HDD installs! LOL
Yet another disappointing conference with little in the way of exciting announcements for the PS3 that we didn't know about already, i.e. Resistance 2's 8 player co-op and God of War III, etc., etc. I was really hoping that Sony would surprise me but, nope, it looks like Microsoft owned this year's E3 for me. While I am looking forward to those games I mentioned plus LittleBigPlanet amd MotorStorm 2, it would have been nice to have heard more on exlusive games, particularly RPGs, which the PS3 is woefully lacking at the moment. And when are we going to get bloody Wipeout, eh Sony?!? Multiformat games don't interest me on this platform because in my experience they tend to be better, if only graphically, on the Xbox 360 (and don't require forced HDD installs... ahem!).
Ah well, at least there are some games on the way and the PS3 is a bloody excellent home entertainment hub so it's not a total letdown.
Somehow it feels like all 3 have lost focus. If the conferences had been this lackluster at launch, I'd be truly stumped at which console to buy, if any.
But hey, that's just me.
Alll the stuff MS and Nintendo announced is coming out in 2008 (with a few rare exceptions).
I think that is the big problem Sony had with this presentation. Too much "but the potential" and not enough "this is what you are getting this year".
who wrote: PS3 fanboy drivel
Resistance 2 looked like any other shooter you can already get on the PC and the gameplay appeared to be utter shite.
Quote by PanStre:
That was fucking shameful.
Not only did they rely on fucking shooters, they even undercut R2's supposed big thing of massive multiplayer battles with another fucking shooter based around even bigger multiplayer battles.
There's a reason why Microsoft is snapping up all teh RPGs it can, that's because shooters are not where it's fucking at anymore.
Fuck you Sony you really thought you could achieve victory with this? Woeful!
+1000
This is not the showing I expect of the Playstation platform. As an owner of 5 PS consoles and 0 xboxes/wiis I am disgusted at the emphasis given to shooters.
I came away from this presentation realising if I want to play RPGs (which I do) I should consider buying an XBOX 360 as my next console - which is shocking and indicative of Sony's failure with the PS3 compared to the PS2.
True but that probably is exactly why they are in trouble... Nintendo's E3's have been unexciting for a couple of years now but they're doing great. The console landscape has changed. MS pretends like it never happened, Sony is a bit stuck in the middle and Nintendo fully embraces it.
M$ just got what? FFXIII, a game PS3 already have and it is a cripple multi-platform game because it will be out in Japan a year before M$. By then, everyone knows anything about it. In another word, PS3 have exclusive right on FFXIII for one year. Yeah! M$ won!!
Sony conference is not for fanboys, it is for gamers. Instead of chasing the past, they are creating new domain, new IPs base on PS3 own cellchip, blu-ray and network experience. Just like Nintendo, it is going to create it own domain and future. The day of big publishers can dictate who is the winner of the console wars, it is over. Not EA, not Squaresoft and not Activision but it is the hardware now. At the end of the show, I felt Squaresoft is outdated, belong to the old world.
Look at M$'s movie game is just an eye toy game, a PS2 technology. Also, Lips is Singstars. A lot of music game announcements. If Sony announce a new PS2 with SD card slot, so gamers can download songs into their PS2. PS2 could beat 360 hand down in music games. Just think about it.
Am I the only one who feel Resistance2 out tech GOW2 big time? Look at the scale, GOW2 is like in a room and R2 is like a real world.
Distant future.
Its games like little big planet that will shift consoles,MS isnt pushing any new ground playing it safe and wasting cash on downloadable stuff nobody wants.
Who will buy gta4 again after trading it in after you finished it?
@drumbaby
Nice to see you're still a Sony fanboy & still delusional.
Wow.. Ok, roll on GDC. Please!
Think its fair to say your insane
@Arbiter
you are right, Arbiter
I think your right. Back to PC land next gen (at least my PC plays more old PS2 titles than my PS3)
@penguin_overlord
The 360 120GB Elite is $400...check Amazon
+1
well said
"Is that it?
Sony got Nothing
Nintendo got Nothing
Microsoft got Final Fantasy... and Nothing else.
Strike 3, the entire games industry is out."
Allow me to introduce you to the Personal Computer...
* Largest games catalogue of any device
* Constantly evolving hardware platform with upgradable components
* Free downloadable content and/or mods for dozens of games
* Exclusive titles like Crysis, The Witcher, World of Warcraft, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Audiosurf, Diablo III, Starcraft II, Warhammer Online, and The Sims 3
Microsoft are trying to mimic the Wii with avatars and more family friendy games but that does nothing for their core audience. People don't buy 360's for that, if they did they'd buy a Wii. Where were the exclusive announcements for their core audience? Having FFXIII on the 360 may be exciting for 360 owners but it's not an exclusive, may not even be as good as the PS3 version and won't be released until some time after the game is released on the PS3 in Japan and already racks up big sales there.
Nintendo still seem to be ignoring the hardcore gamers with more lifestyle games. Having GTA on the DS was a surprise but we all know it will be a dumbed down version and won't be able to compete on a technical level with the two GTA games on the PSP.
As for Sony, it's a shame that some big exclusives weren't announced or a PS3 price drop or PSP 2 but I'm still happy with the state of the PS3. It's getting great multiplatform games like Tomb Raider, Prince of Persia and Resi Evil 5 plus, to be honest, better exclusives in the form of SOCOM, Motorstorm 2, Resistance 2, Killzone 2 and GT5 and GOW3. Plus a better version of Bioshock and Home (for free). And let's not forge the movie/tv download service. Ok, the 360 has had this for a while but the PSP hook-up makes it far more interesting for the PS3. And even if the PS3 is playing catch-up in some areas, at least it has momentum. What new things do Microsoft have for the 360 that will really make a difference.
And as for the new 80GB SKU? Great. We don't know if or when we'll get it over here but it certainly counters Microsoft's 60GB 360 announcement yesterday. In the US, the 60GB 360 will be $349 compared to the 80GB PS3 at $399. So for $50 more you get a bigger hard drive, wi-fi, BluRay, free online services and a fantastic library of current and future games (still no MGS4 for the 360 - sorry). And doesn't the 360 Elite seem rather pointless now at $449 since 80GB is enough for most people? I really hope that Sony will later announce a $120GB PS3 with BC at $449.
So in short I think;
MS = Biggest Suprise
Sony = Best games (only just)
Nintendo = Animal Crossing looks kind of good.
yes.....added with consumers' perceptions and game companies' deceptions.
you'll have me talking in circles, Rash'...enough
Rash: Exactly! Which means all Sony has to do is close the gap in US and they'll be ahead of MS. In the first half of this year, Sony only beat MS marginally in the US. That's not enough unless Sony's looking at catching up in 4 years time. I don't think that's their plan.
then how significant is FF13????
More significant in news and blogs than in selling consoles.
then how significant is FF13????
@Rash'
I think we've learned that a big sequel can only do so much in selling consoles....ie GTA IV and MGS4.
It might...just hope it's not 4 years later
The 2 things I saw that excited Americans more than MAG was Netflix and the FFXIII bombshell. And it's not because the game will be on the 360 (who cares but RPG fans), but because it's not a Sony exclusive anymore. Sony needs every exclusive it can get since MS has a 6 million console lead in US.
Home and this MAG might as well be rumors for PS3, because like everything else Sony it all comes a little too late..........
@Rash'
I agree with you....but my point is about selling to Americans. They want to be wowed....pomp and NO substance.
Do you realize that Sony got more press and rep for showing up MS at 2005's E3 with a CGI film of Killzone 2...a game to be released 4 years later?
Sure RPGs like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey and Mass Effect. That's where it's at
@Arbiter
I'm not trying to start another argument with you, Arbiter, but I beg to disagree.
When you are trailing your competitor by 6 million consoles (in US), the goal is to sell more consoles in the coming year to decrease your competitor's lead. Sony did not sufficiently outdshine MS, this E3, to persuade gamers to buy a PS3 instead. They were supposed to wow the game industry to turn the tide of negative press. Sony can't be this complacent and think MS is going to roll over and die.
Coming from the guy that thought: "The ground textures in R2 were pretty awesome... "
Hmmm...
Couldn't disagree more. Just finished No More Heroes which was brilliant and am working through Lost Wind which is great. If I had more time and money I'd pick up Smash Bros.
I like the idea of a universal gamertag, but again this is something the 360's had since launch. Home is looking more awkward every time I see it, it looks like such a hastle to use, and seems to be being developers as a distraction, rather than something that's functional and useful. I honestly have to say I prefer the 360's avatar system, it looks a lot simpler. That said, I don't think I'll be using either.
I'm also disappointed to see a lack of focus on blu-ray movies. They tried to hype downloadable movies, right after Microsoft announced the Netflix partnership.. which basically makes everything they said their pretty irrelevant. Considering this is supposed to be the "Year of Sony" they basically told us everything good is coming NEXT year. At least Microsoft and Nintendo focused on what's coming THIS year, which I've always thought is the better way to do things.
Bottom line, E3 was extremely disappointing this year, but Sony certainly did not have the best conference.
+1
The point I'm making is that we all know what's on the horizon and it's really excting. Sure Sony and Microsoft made no effort to sell that point to us, but perhaps that says something about how 1st party software is no longer the main focus for us gamers any more. Sure there were few surprises, and much of what we want to see we may have to wait a little longer for - but surely there's still some incredible games to look forward to.
Plus I think someof the biggest surprises are still to come (behind closed doors like Bioshock was 2 years ago) - a new Halo is almost confirmed judging by Bungie's countdown on their site... and who knows what else. Forget the doom and gloom, it's a good time to not be playing Wii (mine's gathering dust right now)!
LOL...on a roll, monkie_king
Classic mate, I liked that
Jealous mabye?"
blig_merk, you seem to be the only one saying otherwise. Delusional maybe?
Not much in there to interest me (that doesnt mean that other people might not have found it interesting).. i am staying on the video to watch Fallout 3... now that surely should be more interesting.... fingers crossed
ROFL.
I am sure you typed that before the conference actually started.
\o/
Disgaea 3 is JP only atm so maybe thats why? o.o but then its coming out soon hmm....
ohwell Siren next Week!! woot woot!
hope 'ignore poster' doest fail
Just wait for next year, though!
oh dear your argument. Am fail.
It was OK, I'm looking forward for a few of at least a few of those PSP games (Super Stardust Portable!!!), and they at least showed how the PS3 is going to render Kratos, which is fine.
But overall... Rather boring. They did just enough games wise to not come out disastrous, but it wasn't anything special.
LBP + RFOM + Motorstorm
Er, how long have we known about LBP? And the other two are sequels to games we have known of since '05. Sony haven't been impressing. Thats not to say MS have either. They did manage to wring another previously thought exclusive to come to the 360, and thats a bigger deal than the three of the above mentioned games combined.
btw E3 suck...ale the best stuff is shown in Leipzig now lol....so ya, wait for white knight story and ff versus 13 which should get more attention at Leipzig....also Eternal Sonata will also be released on PS3 finally....And iam sure we get even more rpgs soon
ress.com...
That's the last of my summaries, I'll be doing a couple more E3 related posts this week.
I think you're right, I noticed the 'polite' applause at all 3
Resistance goes portable (and looks staggering, while to my astonishment, retaining the play style of the PS3 versions), as does Valkyria Chronicles, and I can't wait to learn more about that strange Fat Princess - WTH is that, lol xD. You can clearly do a lot with LBP, and MAG's squad-and leader focus is an excellent feature. DCUO could be really something, and...I'm sure I forgot other things that were also great.
This was my favourite conference of the three, with Nintendo putting on a great show earlier today to inform and entertain, too.
@penhalion
Watching all 3 conferences, the only genuine applause and gasps that I heard were for MS' announcement that, for the first time, a FF game will be on a MS console.
Video thing was good, but I get free rentals from Blockbuster, so not really that bothered about that. Actually i would have preferred hearing about the Tivo recording device... oh well.
Banjo/Ratchet
SceneIt/Buzz
Lips/Singstar
Fable/LittleBigPlanet
FF13, RE, Pop, Madden, Fifa, PES, NFS, Fallout / FF13, RE, Pop, Madden, Fifa, PES, NFS, Fallout
unless this MAG is any good, I call a draw between MS and Sony, ahead of Nintendo. I don't think the new motion thingy is going to take off like the original Wii Sports or Wii Fit did, and there's no sign or more marios, Zeldas or even Metroids.
Infamous looked good though as it reminded me more of crackdown than prototype did.
I'm still trying to figure out how 2008 is the year of the playstation 3 when nearly everything shown had a release date of spring 2009. I also have to agree with whoever mentioned the polite applause after each showing. It was just as embarassing as the polite applause in the microsoft and Nintendo conferences. This E3 seems to be a complete waste of time. Nothing new or exciting was announced. No new nintendo, no microsoft wiimote ripoff, no sign once again of sony home etc. etc.
How will that not lag?
Cool, guess peoples willingness to put up with PS3 install times has probably contributed to this happening.
Maybe in the future they'll start issueing key-codes with games like PC games so you wont even need the disc in the drive to play. Not needing to change the disc between games would be cool.
/thinks
Blimey... is that it?
MAG looks incredible, even without the promise of 256 players. Hopefully though I will still be able to play a quiet 16 player game with friends like you can in Resistance 2.
Was a little dull in places this conference but they eventually showed some good stuff. Was kind of glad they gave PS2 an airing as its still a console a lot of us hold dear (could be its last year though) and nice to know theres still life in PSP (not sure if that Resistance game could work for it though).
And the resistance 2 demo was meh.
@evilfoxhound
To shock even myself, I have to agree with evilfoxhound
Harsh Criticism is IN.
Satisfaction is OUT!
I am hanging up my ps3 boots, wanted a lot more than this.
sad sad sad.
Spreading out the info does seem like a better idea. If everything was announced at E3 then people would only remember the really big stuff, plus in the current market they need to keep sales going at all times and a good way to do that is to keep people informed as to what is on the horizon.
http://majornelson.com/archive/2
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They probably should've mentioned it in their conference, it's more interesting to me than the Avatar stuff.
what a crappy e3, the big suprise was microsoft knows no bounds when it comes to ripping off other consoles and getting a U.S and Europe port of ps3 games announced 4 years ago.
no heavy rain, no halo, no alan wake, no forza 3, no wipeout, no Ico not even the real Gran Turismo!! jesus wept
Sony was far better than the rest and there is a few things to chew over.
Did they mentioned it at conference at all?
Maybe I'm turning into a grumpy old man though....
/ sits in his rocking chair and preaches about the good old days when games were better (1978-2008)
Everyone was creaming themselves that FF13 was the bestest games news ever..
Sony still have it you know...
Not a single PS3 JRPG mentioned,movies,BC gone and two CG trailers
Yeah, last time around i only bothered with a PS2 and that was purely for the RPGs. I know several people who were going to buy a PS3 for RPGs this time around, but it looks like the 360 is where it's at. If only they'd make a silent version.
"Are we all saying the shows are terribly dull mainly because we're so shit hot on sitting on the news the moment its shat out into our faces that nothing is a surprise anymore?"
Probably, yeah. There are good games, just no good news.
when did they say that?
Which sony already had... And as you say, sony have nothing.. so that means FF is nothing.. and so msoft have nothing either
Honestly, i think MS had the best news with the ability to install games to the HDD, a new dashboard (even if some people hate it), and FFXIII.
Not only did they rely on fucking shooters, they even undercut R2's supposed big thing of massive multiplayer battles with another fucking shooter based around even bigger multiplayer battles.
There's a reason why Microsoft is snapping up all teh RPGs it can, that's because shooters are not where it's fucking at anymore.
Fuck you Sony you really thought you could achieve victory with this? Woeful!
God that was dulllllllll.
Good point. They all seem a bit confused as to whether to court their hardcore audience or get a few page 7 headlines in the mainstream press. Sod the mainstream press, I say.
you're whiney cunts
MAG sounds interesting though. Is it exclusive?
/B
MS doesn't know what market it wants, Nintendo knows exactly sadly, and Sony has just completely dropped the ball.
*Goes to boot up MegaDrive and SNES*
Not at all.. msofts and nintendos conferences were shit.
Sony are showing GAMES... and imho they've won on the "conference talks"
I dont even own a ps3 (own wii and 360) and for me - they won
:'(
Sony got Nothing
Nintendo got Nothing
Microsoft got Final Fantasy... and Nothing else.
Strike 3, the entire games industry is out.
Disappointed there's nothing from Team ICO.
256 players, mental.
I bought a load of cube games to play on my wii on the weekend.
Sounds a touch mental.
Me, actually. Just got my latest PS2 game in the post today.
Anyway, not as shit as MS's conference, as shit as Nintendo's. This generation of consoles is pretty much fucked, the split of casual and hardcore has really messed things up.
Edit - PS2 in the loft also so don't care either way.
Remember 360 will be getting Champions Online... from the CoH people (and PS3 as well probably).
Actually, Wii has complete BC, pads, memory cards and all, but nobody seems to remember that.
Well, actually the Wii probably wins that one - 100% backwards compatible with the Cube - but I agree, at least MS are offering something.
I didn't really expect BC to return, but to have this confirmed is still a bit disappointing.
See you all next year.
Couldn't agree more, mate!
Well, fuck you Sony. PS2 BC seems to be officially dead! :'(
Curse my arthritis
Will the fucking thing have BC as standard in Europe Jack????
so natural.
Conflation bonanza! I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the supercomputer uses just a few more Cell processors than the PS3. (Searches wikipedia.org...) Yep, 13,000 of the newer Cell processors in the supercomputer versus 7 of the older ones in the PS3. The F@H contribution though is brilliant. My Radeon 3870 crunches nearly twice the numbers in the same time, but it's still arguably the best feature of the PS3.
Still waiting for that killer app that I can't find elsewhere...
kaz ..foxclose is back
;0)
What!!???!!
Some Chinese bloke is "pumped" apparently
Push ups? tosspot.
That would be taking fail in too extreme quantities. I couldn't make myself suffer so.
LOL!
Oh dear, the term "scraping the barrel" comes to mind.
hmmmm Halo wars any one??? please Resistance is fresh compared to most the other franchises that are being slogged to death.
Oh dear, the term "scraping the barrel" comes to mind.
Weak, weak, weak show so far. Let's hope (for the PS3 owners' sake) that something, ANYTHING, insteresting is announced soon!
I wonder which countries the Video download service will be available in? Still waiting for Apple and Microsoft to offer something here in Sweden.
=[
Resistance on PSP? Hmmm.
Even if he said every other console is cancelled and PS3 has won I wouldn't give a shit.
By the way the 16gb working a treat and having no problems in running games and video clips off it
EDIT - Use with PSP and able to keep some is cool - still DRM though Sony only
After watching this, Nintendo's conference is getting retrospectively better and better.
lbp check
ratchet and clank check
home check
what year is this again?"
I'm in a time machine.....
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=By
tKSy8M4b...
March 2007, right? Or was it October 2006?
I'm confused.
lbp check
ratchet and clank check
home check
what year is this again?
But god that was dull absolutely nothing new or surprising.
This is even worse than Wii Music!
c ya.
ROFLcopters
what's wrong with ps2 titles loads of people have one at least sony don't dump a machine the day a new one gets released ie MS and nintendo
I have to agree it's E3 2008 and we are still looking at PS2 titles??????
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That's not what Hideo Kojima said: http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articl
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that's okie i havent seen the vid so wont comment.
kotaku guys sound impressed though
Sorry... I meant dull looking.
Dull, dull, dull, glum, sorry looking piece of generia.
Looking forward to Resistance 2 though, on my must buy and hoping Sony can pull up more gems!
im sorry you got a time machine and have played this?
I'm sure GeOW2 and L4D will have something to say about that ;0)
No, he's back. We're saved.
Love the wildly different views given at almost precisely the same time. Genius!!!
I must be German. My jokes just aren't funny.
yes. bad.
Lair - the game the 360 couldn't do (Edge magazine Xmas 06).
Hmmmm....weren't they saying the same thing about FFXIII not too long ago? In fact, he probably had to change his key card at the last minute after MS's presentation last night!!!! ;0)
Hope Sony have more to reveal than Nintendo BTW. What a pile of wank their presentation was!!!
MICKEY ROONEY'S FXXD!
So we're not supposed to buy the PS3. It's all part of the plan.
http://e3.gamespot.com/live.html
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Nice one!
*Watching on Gamespot while commenting here as GS sucks otherwise*
*Holds breath for Genji III: Son of Giant Enemy Crab*
All I hear is gunfire.
Fanboy idiot.
Also, Nintendo's conference wasn't all that bad. Keeping in mind their obliviousness to the other two, WiiMotion Plus is pretty fantastic. I think it's going to open up the Wii to a lot of ideas that developers had, which couldn't be accomplished on the old Wiimote.
Either way, I need to buy a PS3 at some point, so hopefully this will justify it as something more than just a bluray player.
and i will be happy "
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Good for you, its your opinion. But Sony need to show something big and i mean BIG to counter attack the FF XIII announce and make people change their minds about selling the useless ps3 and get a 360 (like me and more people who live in america, just read gamespot forums and you will see what i mean). They are slowly goin into a deep hole full of shit and if the best thing they have to show is patapon 2 they are in trouble for sure.
OMFG!
and i will be happy
*cough*
My bets are on for most disappointing conference this year. Or ever.
Sony will say : " Yeah, Microsoft and 360 stole FF XIII exclusive from us but c?mon, we will bring to you Patapon 2!!! Yeah baby, we will compesate the FFXIII exclusive lost with another game with those strange bugs bitching PON-PON-PATA-PON!!!!
I know it will be just as boring as the other two but can hope.....