Sony downplays FFXIII Xbox 360 deal Comments by Robert Purchese

@Deagle

Agrees 100%. Thank you, you saved me time typing.

"The only game i might have been tempted by on PS3 so far was FFXIII - so but putting it on a system i already own they do indeed lose one sale... for now!"

+1

If they really do re-make 7, and its exclusive, that would create a bit of a re-think

attachement rate, anyone?

Last time I've seen a chart about it, the PS3 sold only like 3 games per console, where as the 360 had 7 or 8 titels attached to each sold unit. Don't know if this are actual numbers, but it's not like the PS3 had a rush of great games recently.
So much for a "Global footprint"...

Having Sony downplaying the awkward for them x360-FFXII deal (like the GTAIV before it) is one thing I totally understand... Having actual gamers doing the same, like they have some kind of investment in their PS3, truly troubles me...

@Deagle

Agrees 100%. Thank you, you saved me time typing too.

For the record I would have bought a PS3 at some point for FFXIII and a new Team Ico game. I'll probably be called liar though. =[

@bling.

You are still missing the point. Think how big the jump in sales the PS3 would have got if GTA IV had been exclusive. I know that if I didn't have a PS3, I'd have ended up buying one that week to play GTA IV. A great many 360 owners who've not got a PS3 are waiting for that killer exclusive to pull them in. Maybe that will be GT5, maybe it will be Killzone 2, it might have been GTA IV or FF. As that list of exclusives gets less, then the portion of 360 owners or would be 360 owners who might go on to buy a PS3 gets less and less.

For me, it was Motorstorm that pulled me into the PS3, and the console lay dormant for many months after that whilst I continued to play 360. There was always the hope that PES or GTA was going to be better on the PS3, but they ended up 360 purchases too. But that's beside the point. Sony lured me with an exclusive title at the start and continue to keep a foothold in my entertainment system with the prospect of GT5 someday. But losing their strongest exclusives hand over fist in the past few years has seriously weakend their grip on the console market. PES, GTA, FF, etc. These titles going mulitformat help drive 360 sales. Do you think the 360 would have so many million installed base if all these titles were still PS3 exclusive. And do you think the PS3 versions would be suffering if the Sony hadn't swapped places with MS in getting the crappy end of the port stick?

Still, it's good for everyone. As others have said, everyone wins. You can buy the console brand of choice, the one that matches your mates preferences too so you can all game together, and all you miss out on is 1st party exclusives.

And how exactly do you know that? Have you stumbled across a study in which each and every console owner was asked whether he/she owns more than one system, and concluded that it was a "very select few"? Unless you have then it's an utterly groundless claim to make.

Common sense says so. Do you have any?

And all of sudden I'm part of "the very select few". VIP ME, yeh!

And: " global footprint ... Sony ... dominate Japan ..."

???Nintendo anyone???

"And how exactly do you know that? Have you stumbled across a study in which each and every console owner was asked whether he/she owns more than one system, and concluded that it was a "very select few"? Unless you have then it's an utterly groundless claim to make.

Common sense says so. Do you have any? "

My common sense says your wrong. I dont need to prove this because its "common sense".

See what i did there ;-)

"It's not an exclusive on their platform. It's now a cross-platform game."

That's a bit like saying "GTA-IV wasn't delayed because the PS3 version caused problems, it's because the X360 version was finished too early" !!!

I just love the way that these 'marketeers' think they can pull the wool over everyone's head!

Just admit it, you've lost FF's exclusivity to the PlayStation and now it's multi-platform, starting with X360.

"...when Final Fantasy XIII comes out I think you're going to have millions of people who grew up playing Final Fantasy on the PlayStation playing it on a PlayStation 3."

Not if the X360 version is the same but cheaper. This could well be a 'console shifting' killer app for Microsoft.

Squaresoft have categorically stated it wont do the 360 version until the localisation happens.
That wont be until after the Japanese release.
There is no point in releasing a English version in Japan.
These are facts that will not change.

I'd be grateful if you could link to that statement, as I've been genuinely curious why the Jap version is still PS3 only.

Common sense says so. Do you have any?

Common sense says you're making up facts to suit your arguments. I'll say again, can you prove that only a "very select few" own more than one system? If not, your statement is nothing more than presumptuous bullshit.

OK, buy another system for £300 to play a single game no matter what it is.

If a PS3 game came out that I well and truly want to play with no hope of a 360 release, I would, as I'm sure have many, many other people in the past.

Your argument is that people would have bought a PS3 specifically to play FFXIII and now they wont because its on the 360.

I'm pointing out that if they were that bothered about FFXIII in the first place, they are probably going to wait before investing, if it is a game they were that passionate about.

Again, how exactly is this contradicting my argument? Whether or not these passionate people wait for the game's release is irrelevant; what DOES matter is that these are the people who do actually buy consoles for these certain games, and in this case they won't be left with only one choice of console to buy in order to do so - it gives them freedom, and one way or another the extreme likelihood is that POTENTIAL console sales will be affected by this.

Considering 360 and Ps3 sales actually FELL during the month GTAIV came out, especially in the uS, that suggests there weren't hoards of people clamouring to own a new system to play the game. Unless 360 sales fell to 0 during GTAIV's launch, the best the Ps3 could have hoped for during launch month, had it been a single platform game, would be to match the previous months sales.

Fuck sake, the reason neither platform saw any sales spikes was because BOTH DEMOGRAPHICS ALREADY HAD THE SYSTEM NEEDED TO PLAY IT. What part of this aren't you getting?

Either way, the Ps3 beat the 360 the following month y over 20k.

I'm not even counting Europe where the Ps3 saw a larger increase in sales than the 360 even there.

You can bet the farm those numbers would have been FAR higher had the 360 not received a version of the game.

If that were the sole consideration, why no XBOX version of FFX, FFXII?

Because the Xbox market when compared to that of the PS2 was dismal, and since Sony apparently had no qualms about paying for exclusives back then (see both GTAIII and Vice City, both of which were tied down for ages before their contracts ran out), you can bet the other farm that they'd have kept it exclusive.

Quite simply, FFXIII for the 360 is nothing more than a minor boost for existing 360 owners that may have never bothered to sample the delights it holds.

For some, like me, yes. For others, it's one less reason to buy a PS3. You simply cannot deny that.

As for Sony, it wont lose them any sales, as most of the big rise will be in Japan, where they stlll hold platform exclusivity.

Until that situation changes, this argument holds firm.

For now, yes. But like I say, that could very well change in the future, and it's utterly futile to argue over it until there are some cold hard facts to back up the notion that the situation will NEVER change.

Care to actually prove that?

Done.

Nuh-uh, try again.

> GTAIV raised PS3 sales by a larger percentage than 360 ales.

Of course it did, as the 360 started off with a bigger number so it's obviously going to take more to reach the same percentage. It's pretty stupid to raise this as any kind of point.

There are a suspicious number of people who were apparently going to spend £300 to play one game here... Even if these are all real, does anyone really think that this will be true of, as one random estimate was, 5 million people? Maybe there are just too many counterfactuals here to come up with a decent estimate of the impact of FFXIII being cross-platform, and I'm sure Sony would have preferred if every game were one of their exclusives, but I can't see that anything this guy's saying is really controversial or indeed PR BS.

I don't really know what this guy could ever have said that people here would be happy with.

I you do, then you clearly dont live in the credit crunch reality tht the rest of us do.

And all of a sudden I'm apparently rich too!

Yeh X2.

Can't wait for one of the following posts to declares me pretty as well.

It's laughable to read all the pathetic people claiming they were going to buy a PS3, but now that FF XIII is coming to X360 also they won't buy a PS3 anymore. Those "fanboys" in disguise should just go throw them selves in front of a train.

What counts the most is that PS3 has already passed X360 in Europe and software sales for PS3 are much higher compared to software sales on the X360 in Europe. This gap will only continue to grow, the xbox fanboys are just scared and flood every PS3 article with their FUD. PS3 owners on the other hand are now comfortable with how things are, we see the quality of what we have and what's to come. While X360'ers can't stand that the PS3 goes from streangth to streangth, they cling to every negativ PS3 news they hear.

Get a life fanboys. The PS3 is here to stay, and it will only get better.

What Peter Dille fails to appreciate is that for every PS exclusive the Xbox 360 gains as a multiformat title, it's one less reason to buy their own expensive PS3.

It might not have mattered so much if the PS3 was cheaper than the Xbox 360 but it isn't, it's twice the price of its base model. That means that anyone wanting to play GTA IV, FFXIII and Devil May Cry 4 as well as 360 exclusives like Halo 3 and Gears of War 2 can buy an Xbox 360, save £150 and put that money toward buying the actual games. No matter how Sony spin it, the Xbox 360 has become a more attractive buy this year because of those games.

Um actually Mr. God I was going to buy a PS3 for Final Fantasy, now I don't need to. So what the fuck you talking about?

How many million selling games does PS3 have?

What counts the most is that PS3 has already passed X360 in Europe and software sales for PS3 are much higher compared to software sales on the X360 in Europe.

Nope. What counts most is good games. The rest is nothing but clutter. It's called EuroGAMEr for a reason.

For the record, I'm having an absolute whale of a time.

"What counts is good games. The rest is nothing but clutter. "

+1

Well Mr. Lexx87, you were planning to buy a PS3 in late 2009 early 2010 just to get FF XIII. Good thing you plan far ahead, what about FF XIII Versus? What about if there are other heavy hitters coming 2009/2010? Your one and only reason for wanting a PS3 is FF XIII, not everyone buys kiddy fairy tales.

You X360 fanboys are still stuck complaining about the bad ports from last year. All the good multiplat games out in 2008 are just as good or better on the PS3. Deal with it.

"I've never seen ownage on a scale as I did at this E3, the way Square slapped Sony in teh face is one for the history books. Sony are going to be butt hurt for about 20 years over this. And the more they downplay it the better it gets.

Sony = fucking owned forever."

Said the biggest fanboy on these forums.

"You X360 fanboys are still stuck complaining about the bad ports from last year. All the good multiplat games out in 2008 are just as good or better on the PS3"

You new here?

I have not been a Eurogamer reader for a long time, but it seems to me this place is a nesting place for X360 fanboys. It's seems everything SONY is attacked with full force by a horde of X360 fanboys. What's the deal?

Lol! Dont fall for it people, Godhather08 is blig_merk is headbog is swam is banfoi.

He created this comedy foil account yesterday (check his profile), and now he's pretending to reply to it. Man, that really is pathetic.

Another one of his idiotic accounts to ignore. EG, please impliment an 'Ignore IP' button so I dont get his gibberings on my screen ever again!

@Blig,

For someone to dedicate what must be an extreme amount of time to spouting utter nonsense in defense of a company you have nothing to do with must take a very disturbed individual. With that in mind I think I'm going to have to put you on ignore for your own good.

What am I saying this is comedy gold, I haven't laughed so hard since MS announced FFXIII was coming to 360.

If it's so not an issue, then why mention it at all?

How much money would you bet on the PS3 version not being 1080P?

Lol, you guys are living in an alternate universe were Microsoft is your GOD. I'm out of here, I'll leave you guys to pat each others back, just keep telling yourselves that X360 is the best thing since sliced bread. You guys are dillusional.

BTW. I'm Norwegian, I have no connection to blig_merk if that's what you are insinuating.

For en gjeng med tapere! ;)

I'll buy a PS3 when it's under a 100 quid. So, might be some time then....

I love how both sony and microsoft both seem to conviently ignore wii when making sales comparisons

"BTW. I'm Norwegian, I have no connection to blig_merk if that's what you are insinuating. "

Bwahahahahaaaa! Be a good troll and fuck off blig. If you could delete all your other accounts too that would be great. Go join Apologie on http://www.SonyTastesGoodInMyMouth.com

I am categorically stating that everybody in this forum who claims to have changed their mind about buying a Ps3 entirely based on Final fantasy exclusivity is a flat out liar and should be ashamed of themsleves.

fucking hell, we've known for a while that you're a bit of a loon blig_merk, but that takes the biscuit. maybe you need to start reading what you're posting before you hit the post button to make sure it's not completely ridiculous...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168...

Thank you.

Ok, lets go with your assumption for a minute. Millions and millions of console owners all own more than one system.

yeah, right.

I'm not the one making assumptions, matey. That dubious honour is reserved for you. Read your posts back to yourself if you need reminding of that.

Funny how those games only become ones you truly want to play once they are announced for the 360 eh.

And how exactly did you arrive at that bewildering conclusion?

I notice very few XBOTS rushing to buy MGS4....

As in fanboys? No, and considering how fucking idiotic they are when it comes to console loyalty, I'm not surprised. As for NORMAL people, I have no doubt that MGS4 WAS a reason to buy a PS3 for many. I refrained because I only really care about the story and got by with just watching it all on YouTube.

So where exactly are the sales boosts going to come from?

From the competing console's ownership who also want to play the game but can't because GUESS WHAT?! It's not available on their choice of console.

I take it you believe the 360 would have dropped to 0 sales if the Ps3 had al the new system sales it needed, eh?

You take it wrong, as is fast becoming the norm. 360 sales would have probably been largely unaffected - they might have dipped slightly due to people with neither system going for the console with GTAIV on it (in this case, the PS3) - but I still strongly believe PS3 sales would have spiked greatly, which is what this is all about.

You can bet all you like, your still wrong.

Where did you find a parallel universe?! It sounds fucking awesome!

Your argument is threadbare.

I'm sorry, did I just hear you choking on your own hypocrisy?


Those folk are very, very few and far between. The majority of people on here saying "Oh mee to!" when caling out such a thing are actually just plain liars.

Is that so? Or maybe the vast majority of people (not fanboys) actually have some slight understanding of the phrase "better things to do."


In that case, a giant volcano could erupt and engluf the west coast of America and thus decimate most of the 360s potental market.

Who's to say it couldn't happen? Unlikely, but completely possible.

Lets deal in established, known facts, rahter than speculating as to what may happen eh?

That would be marvellous. Nice to see you're learning about what's worth arguing about.


p0wned j00z

LOLZ N00B TRI AGAIN!!!!11elventyone

"but I still strongly believe PS3 sales would have spiked greatly, which is what this is all about."

Of course they would have. Any idiot knows that. Same with FF13, it would sell more PS3's if the game was a console exclusive.

Fortunately now people like me who are not prepared to pay an extortionate amount for a PS3 can enjoy FF as well.

The only question remaining is whether FF13 will be worth owning... that we won't know for a very long time...

Any idiot besides dear old blig, it seems.

Seriously farticusmaximus, you really are a sorry-assed individual. I'm on several other forums, and they're a lot more balanced and fun. This place is like if you're not an X360 fanboy then you're not one of the cool bois. Like I said, this is an X360 fanboy nesting place.

Wow, must be something in the water this week. At least three identical threads flaming simultaneously. Is it the summer doldrums getting to us or what?

Anyway, I'll trade you back the next two FF's for a port of Uncharted. I'll throw in a couple more for LBP, what do you say?

Godhather, do us all a favour and find somewhere else.

...and take that twat blig with you.


Exclusives sell consoles. 1 less exclusive = 1 less reason to buy that particular console.

FACT.

You can't deny that as you always use PS3 exclusives in your arguments. Yes, JP is the biggest FF market but the franchise has lots of fans in the rest of the world. I also don't give a fuck if you think me and everyone else is lying.

Now fuck off.

@ Arbiter

Man alive, believe me, there's no way on earth I'd 'gloat' about any console. Especially after the shambles that was this year's E3. If it has the games I want to play, I'll buy it; it could be made by Bosch for all I care.

In fact, it always amuses me to think that any sane person would defend these megalomaniacal corporations. They're all bunches of shameless, money-grabbing bastards; all as bad as each other, and yet they still somehow manage to attract mass followings of blinded imbeciles who praise the very juggernaut-mangled ground they walk on. You've gotta love it.

@Dizzy:
"You X360 fanboys are still stuck complaining about the bad ports from last year. All the good multiplat games out in 2008 are just as good or better on the PS3"

I'm pretty sure I've already read that comment from Apologie, almost word to word, so, Dizzy, No, I don't think he's actually new here :)

@JonFE

Maybe, people repeat the same things because that's what the see in these forums not because it's the same person.

You fucking guys can't get through your think heads that more than one person has a different opinion than your own xbox-loving opinions. Wake up!

Why do I keep hearing the "people grew up playing it on X platform therefore they'll want to play it on X successor platform"?? It's complete nonsense, the same as people saying GTA is a playstation franchise and people will want to play it on playstation just for some sort of nonsensical nostalgia.


Dry your eyes Sony.

I own both systems hence don't really care but it seems the SDF are taking it pretty hard, I bet Godhather08 signed the DMC4 petition in blood and tears, Jesus!

MS is in your studios, stealin your exclusives! Get over it!

Ok, hands up those of you with both a PS3 and a 360?

Now, if you intend to get FFXIII, which console would you get it on and why?

"Ok, hands up those of you with both a PS3 and a 360?

Now, if you intend to get FFXIII, which console would you get it on and why?"


How can anyone even say they're gonna buy a game that's not out til late 2009 or even 2010?

First I need to see if it's any good.

Probably the 360 because I prefer a quick disc swap to 4/5 minute installs between every level, I also enjoy looking at anti-aliased graphics which is something the PS3 rarely offers.

Final Fantasy XIII Versus is still a PlayStation 3 exclusive and I rather prefer to play both games on the same system.

And it is PlayStation 3 exclusive in Japan as well which is the biggest market for this game.

And by the time it is out the PlayStation 3 will have taken over the Xbox 360 already.