Sony disses 360's first-party support

By Robert Purchese Published 17 February, 2010

Bigwig says PS3 is now ahead.

The Xbox 360 may have strong third-party support with Mass Effect and Alan Wake and Left 4 Dead, but Sony America bigwig Rob Dyer reckons the rival console's first-party line-up doesn't hold a candle to what Sony's offering on PS3.

"They have very few first-party studios at Microsoft. Bungie's next Halo is the last one, Rare rarely puts out anything, you've got Peter Molyneux with his Fable stuff... but they don't have first-party development studios inside at Redmond or anywhere for that matter," Dyer told IndustryGamers, (via GamesIndustry.biz). "We do."

"So rather than putting their money behind that, they've been going to Epic or Valve or BioWare to do what they did with Mass Effect, and that's where they throw their dollars."

"We're not going to compete with Microsoft on that front," he added. "But what we have is a global business here. Our global business is bigger than 360's and will continue to get bigger than 360, and people are seeing that. We passed them in Europe and they don't even exist in Japan, and we're going to catch them and pass them here in the US as well."

Dyer said third-party console exclusives aren't going to happen "nearly as often" in the future, but that extra game content and strong advertising campaigns will swing buyers one way or the other - he used Batman: Arkham Asylum, which on PS3 included a playable Joker character, as an example.

"The PS3 version outsold the 360 version, and what we've said to [developers] is, 'if you take advantage of what the PS3 can deliver – more content on the Blu-ray disc, better graphics, being able to get more of what the player wants onto the disc – you're going to see those sales translate'."

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  • Moonprince #1 2 years ago

    yawn

  • JahB #2 2 years ago

    if you take advantage of what the PS3 can deliver – more content on the Blu-ray disc, better graphics

    somebody send the man a link to the face-offs...

  • bad09 #3 2 years ago

    Never mind the flame wars EG, where's the AvP review?

  • KillallHippies #4 2 years ago

    yeah, better graphics my bumhole

  • mkreku #5 2 years ago

    Well, perhaps if by better graphics he means less compressed cut-scenes.. but not even that is entirely true.

  • TeaFiend #6 2 years ago

    It's not like SCEE Liverpool recently downsized. Oh. Wait...

  • Shakey_Jake33 #7 2 years ago

    In fairness to Microsoft, they seem to focus more on second party content. It does make more sense - Microsoft paid a lot of money for Rare, but a team is only as good as it's staff, who are free to leave at any time.

    By establishing publishing agreements instead and building up a portfolio of second party titles, they get the benefits of exclusive titles, whilst allowing the development studio the autonomy they surely desire to maintain a positive working environment, and it relieves Microsoft of the obligations of complete ownership and long-term commitments.

    That's why Microsoft were prepared to let Bungie stand on their own two feet.

  • reality_cheque #8 2 years ago

    Does the PS3 have a Mass Effect equivalent? If so, I might be pursuaded to pick up a PS3 when the PS4 comes out (but not before then unless I win the lottery)

  • richardiox #9 2 years ago

    So what are the big Sony first party exclusives then?

  • menage #10 2 years ago

    Yadayada

    Que the inevitable MS repsonse about how they rock

  • Peew971 #11 2 years ago

    When the man's right, the man's right. Not to mention most of those 3rd party exclusives end up on PS3 anyway.

  • Fightclubber #12 2 years ago

    Jesus what a boring fucking prick, didnt we all get over this my dick is bigger than yours bullshit? The guys talking utter shite. The few studios sony does own put out what one game a year? Uncharted 2 as god like as that game is has made headlines for selling fuck all. And sony santa monica bang out the odd god of war title, whoopy shit.

    The things never gonna out sell in the USA as the 360 has such a massive user base already and has by far the best net support of them all.
    Every time i start up my ps3 it feels like ive gone to a funeral parlor, if they re design that horrible shitting interface and make the online content more useable then sony will really be able to to catch up

    Also kinda funny how he doesn't mention any games or any studios at all, just a weak " ours has better graphics if you can be arsed to put in hours more work developing for the fucking thing". If he ended his little bitch fest with a line up of amazing 1st party content and amazing studios that they have then fair enough, but all he does is name the great studios that work for microsoft and not Sony. Nice going
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 11:19

  • phAge #13 2 years ago

    Even by industry PR-bloke-standards, that is a bit weak. At least throw some giant crabs in there, if you haven't got anything else.

  • Hix15 #14 2 years ago

    This just in PR man talking up product!

  • chrisjm #15 2 years ago

    can i just echo the 'yawn'

  • layleeloo #16 2 years ago

    Surprised theres only 20 comments form the 360 fanboys so far. Thought thered be about 300 by now?!

  • robg #17 2 years ago

    The general problem with Sony's announcements is that they sound like generic businessman crap. Ooh your global business has grown, woop de doo. I don't hold any Sony shares, so I don't care in the slightest.

    Microsoft's spokespeople sound as though they actually enjoy games.

  • MasterNameless #18 2 years ago

    If he threw giant crabs in there, he would be admitting he's in a bit of a pinch!

    /gets coat

  • FooAtari #19 2 years ago

    This type of news item really highlights who the pricks are that frequent Eurogamer. Good for the ignore list I guess.

  • stevethemeat #20 2 years ago

    So is he saying that Sony does not want 3rd party games to the standard of Mass Effect or LFD?

    Great PR work there.

  • phAge #21 2 years ago

    "Surprised theres only 20 comments form the 360 fanboys so far. Thought thered be about 300 by now?!"

    Nah - we're busy playing games of a superior quality.

    /went there

  • NorUraeus #22 2 years ago

    Well he does have a point. As the PS3 marketshare continues to increase the cost to convince increase and general interest among 3rd party studios to be xbox exclusives diminish. Sony with its big stable of 1st party developers on the other hand doesn't need to worry about being able to buy 3rd party exclusives.

    And there also do seem to be a beginning trend among 3rd party developers to actually use the resources offered by the PS3. The blu-ray storage do offer the possibility of storing higher quality textures for instance, so if more games starts doing that instead of just re-using the highly compressed xbox ones, the graphics advantage could start being on the PS3 side.

  • dsmx #23 2 years ago

    Really? 2009 was a weak year for the xbox 360 and 2010 isn't much better.

  • ObiChrisKenobi #24 2 years ago

    What I really want to know is, who has the bigger gamerscore...

    However, saying that, I have found myself buying more PS3 games lately compared to 360 ones. Not sure what that means, I'm sure they'll be a news article to tell me later on today.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 11:25

  • GreyBeard #25 2 years ago

    This really is the generation of fanboy-baiting PR pronouncements isn't it.
    The funny part is that while both Sony and MS are equally guilty of doing this, Nintendo are quietly sitting these spats out and counting their dump-trucks of phat-cash!

    Proving that if you are truly successful, you don't need to brag about it every 5 minutes :D

  • sfp_noodle #26 2 years ago

    whilst he is right tht the ps3 has better 1st party line ups he is wrong to suggest tht MS paid for stuff like mass effect and l4d. bioware is no longer owned by MS and valve jus dnt like developing for the ps3. hardly paid for when a company doesnt like a consoles architecture. also, didnt sony do the exact same thing last gen? pay for pretty much every third party exclusive and in turn monopolise the entire gaming industry? cheap talk

  • MasterNameless #27 2 years ago

    @phAge

    Don't confirm his notion that people who dislike PR bullshit must be fans of the opposing console.

    It's hilarious that he jumped to that conclusion and says a lot more about him than the people he's calling fanboys. I probably play a lot more 360 as that's where all my friends are, but my favourite two games of last year were both PS3 games: Uncharted 2 and Demon's Souls. The PS3 gem's - for me - a few and far between, but when they come along, they're pretty special. :)

    But I still think this PR guy is talking out of his arse.
    Edited by 2 at 17/02/10 @ 14:53

  • Bealsy #28 2 years ago

    Man with small penis shouts loudly.

    In other news, dog with tail spotted.

  • patch #29 2 years ago

    For interest, here is Rob Dyer's bio along with a list of Sony first party studios and Microsoft's first party studios. Both from Wiki so probably complete balls. I won't list the games here as people don't like lists :)
    Edited by 2 at 17/02/10 @ 11:29

  • penhalion #30 2 years ago

    Dear Sony

    Arguably Microsoft's strategy of utilising the best third party developers instead of taking everything in house has meant that they have a line-up of games that are just plain better then anything you currently have bar Uncharted. Demon Souls wasn't in house for you and if it had been, would have been ruined by your interference.

    Please go back under your rock now and try producing something for my slightly dusty PS3....thank's Kay!

  • spazmo #31 2 years ago

    EG casting out the nets again. Plenty of fresh moron out there ready to bite.

  • MasterNameless #32 2 years ago

    "EG casting out the nets again. Plenty of fresh moron out there ready to bite."

    Now we just need to stop unhooking them and throwing them back in the ocean!

  • Jackface #33 2 years ago

    Honestly, who here really cares, except for shareholders? See, what I do, and it's controversial, is I take a look at what's on offer and buy whatever most appeals to me. The number of first party titles MS have compared to Sony makes not the slightest bit of difference to my purchasing decisions.

  • JonFE #34 2 years ago

    That’s what I don’t like about PR people, you give them an inch and they’ll take a mile…

  • ParanoidZombie #35 2 years ago

    Congraturations, Mr Dyer!! A winner is you!

  • Bealsy #36 2 years ago

    Also - who gives a flying fuck where the games come from as long as they're good?

  • DoctorZoidberg #37 2 years ago

    I don't care which company claims to have the biggest balls. I wish they would stop bickering and just focus on making the actual games. Surely no-one buys a console so they can have an argument with someone who got a different one?

  • balflear_pkt #38 2 years ago

    He doesn't say any lie, this is a fact, Microsoft has goten weak with 1st and Sony stronger.

  • Darren #39 2 years ago

    Sony certainly know how to sprout bullshit... they've had years of practice!!! ;)

    As an owner of both systems, I can see the pros and cons of both the 360 and the PS3. Neither are perfect - despite what their respective PRs might claim - but between them they have plenty of good games. Sometimes I wish these PRs would shut the f**k up (both Microsoft and Sony) and concentrate on selling the strengths of their consoles without even mentioning the competition. I'm convinced that they are responsible for inciting these 'flame wars' in the first place...

  • layleeloo #40 2 years ago

    hahahha I see my earlier post is now -14. So the 360 fan boys are now here en masse.
    Why cant people just have all consoles and not be so bloomin fan boy blind sided...?

    @phAge - Superior quality? hahahhaha. Don't make me laugh. I love my 360 but come on.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 11:41

  • IkariW #41 2 years ago

    This kind of thing makes me chuckle inside....

    Personally, and I'm not saying theres a right and wrong here, but whats wrong with getting people who make games for a living to make your games on your platform?? makes good business sense surely?

    It does stink slightly of "We're good... look, look, we're good, we're even better we are!"

    Like play ground politics...

    Sad.

    Like various comments on here have said, "Who cares?!" only Sony I suspect..
    Oh and on the Blu Ray = More content, better graphics??? (Eh?) this is all going to be made redundant once everything goes Digital anyway.... and it will...its all going to be about HD size soon...or even flash memory size. ;)

    Ikari

    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 11:49

  • SpaceMidget75 Verified Senior Software Developer, Minerva Computer Services #42 2 years ago

    "They have very few first-party studios at Microsoft.

    Over the last 6 months I had started to think that Sony's 1st Party strategy was better than MS's 2nd/3rd Party strategy. However, the fact that a lot of these 1st Party Sony titles are taking so long to be released I'm starting to swing more to the middle again on this. It may have amounted to some quality games but not in the quanity you would expect from the number of studios they own. We're still waiting on some of them to release their 1st title this gen!

    It's possible that MS just did the math and found it was cheaper to pay a studio a one-off fee to make a game for them than to pay for and then permanently fund a studio in-house. Crackdown 2 being a good example.

    Bungie's next Halo is the last one, Rare rarely puts out anything, you've got Peter Molyneux with his Fable stuff... but they don't have first-party development studios inside at Redmond or anywhere for that matter,"

    Does it matter where the studios are? Yes they have got Lionhead. I'm sure Rare are working solidly on a strong Natal launch line-up - they have to be working on something (how many Sony studios has he got working on Arc software or will we have just another Eye Toy situation). Strange how he didn't mention Turn 10. ;)

    "The PS3 version outsold the 360 version, and what we've said to [developers] is, 'if you take advantage of what the PS3 can deliver – more content on the Blu-ray disc, ,better graphics, being able to get more of what the player wants onto the disc – you're going to see those sales translate'."

    Yeah, kinda switched off here unfortunately.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 11:44

  • Raz76 #43 2 years ago

    Erm, the PS3's best selling exclusive is second party.

  • The-Bodybuilder #44 2 years ago

    Ya'know I always thought Mass Effect may show up on the ps3, but this dude's comment has convinced me otherwise.
    Is it me? OR does he sound bitter about ME2 being a 360 exclusive? Especially as its the game primarily responsible for recently stopping the ps3 outselling the 360 in the US. Maybe he hoped EA taking over would bring it to the ps3 too.
    Seriously, its the only 2nd party game he mentions.

    I'm guessing the MS deal was directly with bioware then, and the EA buyout changes nothing.

  • gandhimaster #45 2 years ago

    to be fair, without talking quality etc as thats a matter of opinion, sony DO have many, many more 1st party developers and own many, many MANY more ip's than microsoft do.

    bioware/valve/bungie/bizarre creations etc have all got the chance to make games for whoever they choose and as such ms could get fucked anytime now.

  • chubster2010 #46 2 years ago

    These sorts of articles/comments by PR peeps are getting a little boring.

    That being said, I do find the differences between Sony and MSs approach to this generation quite interesting. Whether one model will ultimately prove to be more successful than another, only time will tell.

    I guess the most important thing is that gamers on both sides of the fence have (more than) enough interesting/high quality titles to keep them happy. If the balance was more skewed, with one platform hogging all/most of the AAA titles, then I genuinely think that it would result in the death of a platform. As it is, things are nicely balanced.



    @ layleeloo
    You've made two comments on this thread:

    One asking where the 'fanboys' are, and another having a go at the 'fanboys' when they arrive and that you wish 'fanboys' didn't exist. In what way are these comments supposed to be interesting? The only thing worse than 'fanboys' are people who keep going on about 'fanboys'. It really is boring.

    Make that -15.

  • CallousB #47 2 years ago

    I'd agree Sony has stronger first party content.

    ..but I'm not sure I'd be boasting about it in regards to the business side of things.Their only BIG first party exclusive is Gran Tourismo (and I'm not convinced that will be the powerhouse it was in previous generations).

  • Lionheart #48 2 years ago

    Playable Joker vs Mass Effect + Left 4 Dead + Alan Wake
    Good one Dyer

    Also the comment about better graphic's on PS3 sums up PS3 users anyway.

  • laudy #49 2 years ago

    "Also the comment about better graphics on PS3 sums up PS3 users anyway"

    Good one

    my word, -2 already and i just went to take a p*ss. No need to get so sensitive about a PR man just doing his job. A poor one I'll grant you, but it's his job all the same. EG didn't have to put this article on, but they knew it would provoke this reaction.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 12:04

  • jjadi #50 2 years ago

    Again not interested in the "WAR" between these 2 giants, just enjoy playing great games and for that I have both machines...and so far ...the 360 has been my weapon of choice. Games, interface, Xbox live etc...oh and the PS3's update system is an absolute disaster, where's my commodore 64 so I can load and play a game whilst I wait.

  • awb83 #51 2 years ago

    These kind of people get right on my tits. He be right but the way he sprouts his bullshit is terrible.

  • miiiguel #52 2 years ago

    Every time a sucessfull title comes around the "other side" (works both ways) always sound terribly biter.

  • Armoured_Gideon #53 2 years ago

    For all the times I've rolled my eyes at forum fanboy zealotry and platform proselytising, every so often a combative corporate stooge (and all of the big three are equally guilty of this) will do their utmost to fuel and maintain a belligerent and unhelpful climate of one upmanship.

    I've been gaming my whole life and enjoy a good game no matter what platform it's on.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 12:03

  • smernicki #54 2 years ago

    i'm sorry but is this guy on crack? he sounds pretty deluded

  • Quint2020 #55 2 years ago

    Ugh, I think I vomited in my mouth a bit after finishing reading that load of old shite.

  • himynameisnathan #56 2 years ago

    Bigger doesnt mean better Sony

  • ParanoidZombie #57 2 years ago

    Those PR guys are so weird, I wonder about how these people act in their private lives, when they're not working... Does this guy have children? Did he buy them a PSPgo for Xmas? I'm sure they wanted a DS instead... What did he answer to them?

  • LetsGo #58 2 years ago

    To be fair, I guess, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain and God of War are the best looking games on any platform this gen, so far.

  • patch #59 2 years ago

    The tone of the original article seems to be far more along the lines of "You'll see fewer third party exclusives", rather than just saying "MS first party sucks". It's an interesting insight into the state of the industry and of things to come to be honest. What he's basically saying is that as the install base of the 360 and PS3 get closer, publishers are less likely to agree to platform exclusives and so we'll likely see more differentiation in the way of exclusive content.

    He's also pointing out that because historically Sony have invested in first party studios rather than giving money to third parties for one off games, chances are Sony will still have a number of exclusives on PS3.

  • Freek #60 2 years ago

    It's true, but then again I doubt the people playing Gears of War or Mass Effect care one bitt that they aren't first party titles. It's the games that count not what the publisher relationship is.

  • deepspacefox #61 2 years ago

    Kinda reminds me of the old Phil Jupitus joke about the elephant who threw a log at a woman. "I'M THE DADDY OF THE ZOO NOW!! WHO WANTS SOME!!!!!!!!"

  • sneetch #62 2 years ago

    What a load of nonsense. It seems like Sony is trying to invent some moral high ground. It's irrelevant whether or not they're first, second or third party developers. The only thing that's important in this whole exclusivity game is whether "game X" is coming out on your console.

  • MrE26 #63 2 years ago

    Who gives a shit whether the games are first or third party?! Both have their share of good exclusives, regardless of who developed them. His time would be better spent trying to win the console war by making decent games, not flinging bullshit statements around.

  • KRadiation #64 2 years ago

    RE: JahB

    Uncharted 2 looks down it's nose at the 360 games.

    "You were saying something?"
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 12:22

  • FogHeart #65 2 years ago

    When I buy a game I don't care if its first party, third party, fire or theft. I care that it's a good game. Oh wait, I do care about theft :/

    For both these companies there's no particular restriction on what might be produced in-house - if you gave someone a new beta code game to play they wouldn't be able to tell if it's first or third.

    You can tell a Ninty game on the Wii though, and that's where the first/third party debacle really seems to have any significance. As in, the third party games I like end up being commercial flops (tear rolls down cheek).

  • sneetch #66 2 years ago

    @LetsGo
    To be fair, I guess, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain and God of War are the best looking games on any platform this gen, so far.

    I don't know about God of War (I personally haven't seen much of it yet) but Uncharted 2 and Heavy Rain are definitely very beautiful games. I don't know about best looking games on any platform though. It's all subjective of course but I think Crysis still takes that award.

  • pickles4uk #67 2 years ago

    Why is everybody getting so antsy about this, get over it? There are more important things in life.

  • jag10 #68 2 years ago

    in other words, if microsoft don't stay in front, 3rd party exclusive games will go multiplatform.

  • GreyBeard #69 2 years ago

    The interview from where these quotes were extracted is actually pretty interesting.

    [link url=http://www.industrygamers.c om/news/ps3-better-serves-publishers-than-360-says-sony/1/
    ]    http://ww w.industrygamers.com/news/ps3-b...[/link]

    Check it out.

  • miiiguel #70 2 years ago

    From a consumer standpoint the less 1st party studios the better, imagine if all games were 1st party, that'd be awfull.

  • rockin_rob_1 #71 2 years ago

    I guess that's why MGS and FF went multiplat, Sony aren't into 3rd party exclusives. Shame as they were a big selling point for PS2...

  • Gecks #72 2 years ago

    lest we forget MS current model is almost exactly the same as sony's circa PS1 - extensive tool set and ease of programming drawing in developers (and a few retainers here and there!), rather than 1st party strength on specialised hardware.

    worked out pretty well for sony in the 90s, but these days the best strategy is probably somewhere in the middle.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 12:52

  • Murton #73 2 years ago

    Better graphics are possible on the PS3 when it's used properly, you need only look at the first party titles for proof of that. Read what the man said again, I'll make the key bit bold to help:

    "if you take advantage of what the PS3 can deliver – more content on the Blu-ray disc, better graphics, being able to get more of what the player wants onto the disc"

    He's not saying that the PS3 is inherently better, but will deliver better if you work with it, unfortunately developers aren't living up to their name in the skills department and are sticking to the old ways of doing things rather than stepping up and improving on themselves.

    You can quote digital foundry face off results until you're blue in the face, the fact is that any difference in visual or performance between the two consoles is developer created, not platform created.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 12:40

  • altitude2k #74 2 years ago

    Achievement Unlocked
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  • SAH1977 #75 2 years ago

    As a general rule of thumb Sony invests in first party studios, enabling them to take risks and push genres forward.

    MS's strategy simply denies one section of gamers what would otherwise be a cross platform game.

  • Vice.Destroyer #76 2 years ago

    There is no need to get angry or defend my console of choice. I just logged on and amplayibg a multi-platform game on my console and am getting on with my life.

  • drxym #77 2 years ago

    His comments seem pretty fair to me. I'm not sure why the 360 defence force is engaged in such an immature modding frenzy (included this post I'm sure) for stating as much. It doesn't mean anything for the quality of the games. Every platform needs to strike the right balance between 1st & 3rd party. Microsoft has chosen to throw money at 3rd parties for their exclusivity whereas Sony has brought properties in house to achieve the same. There are obvious examples of excellent games that were produced through both models.

  • laharl80 #78 2 years ago

    Third party multi platform titles might occasionally fare better graphically on the 360 but when it comes to exclusives the PS3 dominates.Compare gears 2 to kz 2 or mass effect 2 to uncharted 2.Its nice to see someone from Sony telling it like it is.

  • WiseNail #79 2 years ago

    I felt that Unchartered 2 set the benchmark for what a great videogame should be this generation, with fantastic graphics, great characters, story, controls, checkpointing, help / tips as needed etc. However, having just finished Mass Effect 2, I feel that it raises the bar still further.

    Both machines are capable of fantastic games, and first or third party is kind of irrelevant. What Sony need to spend more time doing, is persuading the majority of people who own both machines (like myself), to buy non exclusive titles such as Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3 rather than the 360, as I don't think this is happening at present.

  • PlugMonkey #80 2 years ago

    Dyer sounds like he's suggesting that a Joker player model could only fit on a Bluray. :)

    @ jjadi: Is your PS3 network connection wired or wireless? I'm lead to believe by some technical types that the wireless connection throttles the something-or-other of the wotnot.

    Anyway, I plugged a cable into mine and now the updates are about 10x quicker.

  • reality_cheque #81 2 years ago

    @SAH1977 - why should MS care about PS3 owners? Their job is to make sure 360 owners have good games, which they do (personally I'm suffering from ME2 withdrawls every time I go to work!), if developers are willing to take their cash that's down to the devs, not MS for offering it.

  • darleysam #82 2 years ago

    I heard Don Mattrick say that Peter Dille's face smells.

    FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

  • Monkey_Puncher #83 2 years ago

    Mass Effect 2 > PS3

  • phAge #84 2 years ago

    "You can quote digital foundry face off results until you're blue in the face, the fact is that any difference in visual or performance between the two consoles is developer created, not platform created".

    And a £70 compact camera can take pictures that are just as good or better than a £1000 DSLR - IF the photographer using the former is pretty fucking awesome. Which must mean that any difference in pictures must be down to the photographer, and not the camera! YAY - GO CHEAPASS COMPACTS!

    Fuck's sake man...

  • GamesConnoisseur #85 2 years ago

    Lol!

    However there is a fair point that MS doesn't provide as much as Sony for first party, yet it is Sony who painfully lost main third party exclusives as pointed out by others.

    Sure I appreicate both consoles, but with MS needing to response to Sony's PR trash talk, would wish both just focus on plus points of their consoles and not negatives of others.

    That entering a dangerous terriority as when does trashing ends?!

    I would say to either, if you start talking about selling or trading in rival console, THEN it will be yours being done away with by me and some others!!

  • SBfistfun #86 2 years ago

    After the hold Sony had on the market with the PS1 & PS2 the xbox 360 shouldnt have even been able to compete. Sony fucked up, its that simple. So it's not surprising their PR machine tries to big things up.

  • laudy #87 2 years ago

    "And a £70 compact camera can take pictures that are just as good or better than a £1000 DSLR -" etc etc

    one of the funniest comparisons I've ever read. fact. Hats off to you sir.

  • Goodfella #88 2 years ago

    Nice try hammerhead but phenomenally inaccurate, lol.

  • drxym #89 2 years ago

    @PlugMonkey "Dyer sounds like he's suggesting that a Joker player model could only fit on a Bluray. :) ". I think it was more than just a skin - the "Play as the Joker" mode added some extra challenge levels and stuff. Regardless, it probably could have fit on a DVD.

    However a DVD's space is far smaller than a Blu Ray disc and some PS3 games clearly utilise the extra space for content, audio, multiple languages etc. It also has the space so cutscenes can be prerendered for PAL, NTSC, HD at very high quality. It will be interesting to observe when FF13 finally turns up on both platforms, the PS3 on a single disc and the 360 on multiple. Even with multiple discs it wouldn't surprise me at all if the 360 cutscenes suffer by comparison simply because the compression dial still got turned up to cram them all in.

  • Dizzy #90 2 years ago

    Sony should be a little bit humble, 360 software will walk all over the PS3 in the USA this year.

  • Bonders99 #91 2 years ago

    Sure to keep the fanboys occupied during the half term school break.

  • Spera #92 2 years ago

    "you've got Peter Molyneux with his Fable stuff..." lol

  • EvilBob_leeds #93 2 years ago

    For my 2p I think he's got a point. Microsoft have been ploughing money into buying exclusivity, rather than producing their own stuff. And of the teams under their wing you've got Rare, who seem to have become shit the moment MS aquired them, Lionhead, who have moved from producing risky but fun stuff like Black and White and Powermonger to churning out the perfectly pleasant but hardly revolutionary cash cow which is Fable, and Bungie, who, to be fair have flourished.

    Why is MS plumping for a structure of studios it can cut loose on a whim? I don't know. After all, once Microsoft stop funding these studios, they stop producing exclusives for MS consoles. Why would MS stop funding these studios? Let me tell you a little story.

    Once upon a time an iffy programmer but good wheeler dealer (lets call him Bill the Anti-competitive) decided he was really interested in the pocket PC / smart phone market. And yea verily Windows mobile flowed forth competing with Psion. It wasn't that good, but overtook Psion eventually. Up until Win Mo 5 when Bill got bored, and failed to see any more of a market for it, and decided his market share was safe. So Win Mo 6 was produced, which was shite. Then Google and Apple appeared and started producing good smart phones, with software that was well suited to phones. And all those people who had bought the lazily developed shite MS had been producing felt daft.

    Another tale you might be interested in was when Bill the Anti-competitive decided that web browsers weren't the future. Then a few years later realised they where and hastily bought Spyglass the insightful. And lo Internet Explorer eventually got as good as Netscape and through a series of highly dubious business practices, Bill got it to the top of the market. But around IE 5 and 6 Bill decided his market share was safe and produced total rubbish like IE6. And everyone jumped on Firefox which actually had some good ideas and far less bloat. And everyone who moved onto Firefox from the lazily developed shite MS had been producing felt daft for having put up with it.

    And on and on... you might notice a pattern here. Maybe MS won't lose interest in the console market. Maybe Microsoft won't try to money fuck their way to a place of dominance in the console market and then stop investing in it, leaving everyone feeling stupid. Maybe the list of second party exclusives won't dry up....

  • drxym #94 2 years ago

    @GamesConnoisseur "However there is a fair point that MS doesn't provide as much as Sony for first party, yet it is Sony who painfully lost main third party exclusives as pointed out by others. "

    Sony lost 3rd parties because they couldn't or wouldn't pay for exclusivity. Who can blame them either? Microsoft have deep pockets and perhaps they thought they couldn't win. Clearly they thought their money was better spent developing existing and new IP that they would own forever rather than throwing it down the drain for timed exclusivity on something they didn't own.

  • cheekyjay #95 2 years ago

    Let's compare Rare's output to that of Polyhony Digital if we going to randomly pick on a first party!

  • SlackMaster #96 2 years ago

    Hasn't he got any recent examples... Batman: AA was last year. :s

  • phAge #97 2 years ago

    "After the hold Sony had on the market with the PS1 & PS2 the xbox 360 shouldnt have even been able to compete. Sony fucked up, its that simple. So it's not surprising their PR machine tries to big things up".

    I get this sensation as well. Even *if* the PS3 manages to overtake the 360, the progress in sales and userbase from the last Xbox to the current clearly shows that MS is definitely doing something right - which ought to (and probably does) scare the crap out of Sony.

    Still, the PR-bloke gets paid for stuff like this, so it's hardly surprising.

  • Geordiemp #98 2 years ago

    They have a point that first party development does push the engines and technology on that platform, so games like UC2, Killzone, Infamous (720P and open sandbox) do exist and are good.

    There is little difference in buying a studio or funding its output contractually. Except that the xlcusives that M£ buy have old tech engines and are hardly pushing anything.

    What I am saying is maybe if M$ had a couple of first party studios then maybe they would have an engine optimised for 360 to give UC2 a run for its visual money, which would be a good thing for us customers.

    Games like ME2 may be good, but its still old unreal although improved from 1 and not pushing the 360 tech. Not that it has to, but it would be ncie for 360 to fight back.

    P.S still cant force myself to buy a RPG with moral choices after suffering oblivion for a a few hours and trading it. Is ME2 more RPG / Choices or an action game with fluff (If the latter would buy it)....I played MGS4 and skipped every cut scene and loved it.

  • EvilBob_leeds #99 2 years ago

    @Geordiemp

    Yeah, the morality system is pretty unrestrictive. You don't have to pick a 'good' path or an 'evil' path and stick to it through the game to get higher tier powers.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 13:22

  • drumbaby #100 2 years ago

    As obnoxious as his corporate crowing may seem, he's right. The PS3 will catch and surpass the 360 in the USA, and then they'll be in 2nd place to Msoft's eventual 3rd.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 13:25

  • Chazmeister #101 2 years ago

    Sony execs have come across as being very insecure this generation. They must still be feeling upset over the bruising the buying public gave them over the consoles launch.

    Not surprising though really, as I think they expected by now to be totally dominating the console market as they have done with the past 2 Playstations, and yet now they find thenselves way behind Nintendo and level pegging with Microsoft's console, which in only 2 generations is already proving very stiff competion for Sony. You have to remember that Bluray, the other big technology that they have invested massively in, is still very dependant on PS3 sales for it's penetration into the DVD market.

  • Shrike #102 2 years ago

    Meh. Partisan PR crap leads to culture of negativity, leads to shit-throwing, leads to PR man looking like dickhead. All it would take would be some honesty and humility from the corporate omnimouth to win a bit of respect once in a while.

    Really don't understand why they throw this shareholder stuff at gamers and expect us to be impressed. It's a bit like telling a bunch of cows that beef outsold pork last year.

  • EmiliasHorse #103 2 years ago

    Microsoft have sold, closed or "let go" so many studios over the years. Do they even want to directly own 1st party devs or rather gain favour by working closely to ensure sytem tools work making the development easier and cheaper?

    Fact is Halo Reach, Alan Wake, Fable 3 and anything Rare & Turn 10 wish to release is plenty enough for me. I will buy all the Sony 1st party stuff but multi platform will always be a no brainer 360 purchase because of quality, LIVE and achievements. Win win
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 13:38

  • laudy #104 2 years ago

    "Really don't understand why they throw this shareholder stuff at gamers and expect us to be impressed. It's a bit like telling a bunch of cows that beef outsold pork last year."

    Perhaps you ought to tell EG to stop showing these articles then?

  • muscleblade #105 2 years ago

    "I'm guessing the MS deal was directly with bioware then, and the EA buyout changes nothing"

    PS3 isnt powerful enough to run ME2 thats all.

  • muscleblade #106 2 years ago

    "To be fair, I guess, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain and God of War are the best looking games on any platform this gen, so far"

    360 versions of AC2 and MW2 + ME2 looks arguably just as good or even better.

  • seffyroff #107 2 years ago

    Has he conveniently forgotten about Turn 10? Polyphony haven't.

  • Murton #108 2 years ago

    PS3 isnt powerful enough to run ME2 thats all.

    It's the same engine powering Dragon Age is it not?

  • ShiverinEskimo #109 2 years ago

    "Peter Molyneux with his Fable stuff.."

    Writing off one of the most established creators and franchises going - very clever.

  • jag10 #110 2 years ago

    the following video says it all:

    http://www .youtube.com/watch?v=3C61EMIy1oA

  • Slipstream #111 2 years ago

    What exactly, does fanning the fanboy flames achieve again?

  • Dizzy #112 2 years ago

    >It's the same engine powering Dragon Age is it not?

    Not at all.

  • Geordiemp #113 2 years ago

    Come on Musleblade, get real. Anything Unreal can be a good game, but technically...animations, effects, framerate, please, give me a laugh. Just watching Drake move even in UC1, animations of that calibre will never ever ever be in any unreal game. Period.

    The latest interview with Bungie suggests they can have what 30 enemies and almost 720 P with 4 player coop. Resistance 2 can have 100 enemies and 8 player coop at full 720 P......

    I actually find ODST firefight and R2 coop equally enjoyable for different reasons, but thats not the point, and love driving the shadow thingy....

    BUT - I STILL THINK M$ COULD GAIN SOMETHING BY HAVING MORE FIRST PARTY EFFORT.

    OR WHY NOT BUY CRYENGINE AND MAKE IT A MICROSOFT ENGINE FOR 360 ONLY.

    I dont know, but better tech on 360 for some of the AAA at least up to UC2 level would be good for gamers and healthy competition.

    Sony engines (first party) are pulling a performance gap, 3 rd party 'poorer' developers still find 360 easier and win some of the face offs but there is a huge gap in ability starting to show. You dont see counting torn frames or poor frame rates on the latest SONY first party stuff...

  • laudy #114 2 years ago

    "What exactly, does fanning the fanboy flames achieve again? "

    page hits my good man, nothing more nothing less...

  • PlugMonkey #115 2 years ago

    Geordiemp: What does any of this have to do with you having your period?

  • laudy #116 2 years ago

    Alan Wake and Halo: Reach are two at the very least

  • alan_stealth #117 2 years ago

    fuck you sony.

  • Goodfella #118 2 years ago

    Alan Wake, still tbc.

  • FladgeMangle #119 2 years ago

    Has anyone mentioned willy-waving yet?

    There's a much better willy-based thread elsewhere on this site for all you willy-waving fans.

  • RobotRocker #120 2 years ago

    the following video says it all:

    You mean the video at E3 where Sony planted people in the crowd to whoop and holler and try get the "OH MY GOD ZELDA" reaction again?

    Thats a pretty good metaphor actually. Sony have been trying to constantly drum up excitement and attention but it all seems so plastic and fake. Like when SNK tried to tell Mega Drive and SNES owners what they were missing with the Neo-Geo AES. No one cared since it was out of their price range or they were happy with what they had. And I guess that sums it up too. No one really cares other than some dedicated internet idiots. The people who bought the 360 bought it for their Halos and they were happy with that. Nintendo fans just want to play with their Wii. No one really cares about fanboy wars unless its really funny like the FF13 going to 360 announcement and its sad that Sony are reduced to trying to stoke the flames of that instead of I dont know, actually making the games they are crowing about.

  • gjgjg #121 2 years ago

    why cant we all just get along and play mario kart?

  • bealios #122 2 years ago

    AAAARRRRGHHHHH! He's a PR man - he gets paid huge sums of money to say good things about PS3. Microsoft's PR man gets paid huge amounts of money to say good things about X Box.

    Since both consoles are now practically identical bar a couple of decent exclusives, they have to spout a certain amount of baseless bullshit.

    Imagine waking up one day finding yourself in a highly paid job as PR man for the red onion company, and you're about to give a press conference on why your onions are so much better than the white onion company. What would you say?

  • muscleblade #123 2 years ago

    @Murton

    ME2 looks incredibly much better than Dragon Age. Same engine i dont know but the games looks are worlds apart. I thouth Dragon Age looked really bad on the 360 actuall . Ive heard its better on the PC. ME2 is pretty much equal on PC and 360.
    Well as Farticus says looks isnt everthing but in that department both machines deliver on their exclusive titles.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 15:24

  • AC!D #124 2 years ago

    One has to wonder what will happen when the PS3 install base grows beyond 40 or 50 million. Meaning that surely the greater the PS3 install base becomes then the greater the payments to third parties need to become for MS to ensure exclusivity. I think the man in the article has a point. When Bungie is done with Reach then MS will not have much to fall back on especially considering Rare is in charge of Natal games now. I reckon the future will consist of timed exlcusives and DLC for MS vs Sony's brilliant first and 2nd party studios.
    Edited by 2 at 17/02/10 @ 14:36

  • swissorc #125 2 years ago

    this stuff is really cringe worthy. I like my 360 and I am happy with it. I like my wii and I am happy with it. I look forward to owning a PS3 this winter (still holding out for GT5) and I am sure I will enjoy owning it. End of story. PS wish my compy would run crysis as I am sure I would love it.

  • RobotRocker #126 2 years ago

    What would you say?

    I would explain why red onions provide a great taste, can be incorporated into a variety of dishes and retail at a low price.

    Also, avoid all mention of competitors unless referenced first because you don't want to give publicity to your market rival at all. If Dyer kept his mouth shut instead of attacking the competition. Now analysis is going to swing to see if Microsoft's internal publishing strategy is the correct way to publish than focus on how good Sony's first parties are and asking are SCE producing and publishing enough games globally.

    tl;dr version: PR Dolt gives Microsoft publicity during interview. This is not how you do PR. Bad PR Man. Bad.

  • muscleblade #127 2 years ago

    @Tyrell

    Mass Effect 2 - 96% metacritic
    Bayonetta - its exclusive alright (see face off).
    Crackdown 2
    Alan Wake and Halo Reach (both GOTY candidates for sure)
    Best version of every multiplatform title (probably)

    I bet no PS3 exclusive this year or any other year can beat ME2 or Halo reach anyway tbh.

    God of war 3 is probably their best bet for 2010. I predict 90-94% metacritic average

    I dont dislike Sony or MS or Nintendo i just think the 360 is the best console if you only want or can afford one.
    The PS3 is certainly getting better and better because of some very good exclusives. I do wonder what UC2 would look like on the 360 though. Probably a little bit better. ;-). Good looking game but not my favourite 2009. That goes to Batman AA.

    edit: forgot Fable 3 since i dont care about it too much tbh.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 15:25

  • Khanivor #128 2 years ago

    We can argue all we like about subjectives such as game quality but why are we ignoring his claim about doing more business? Because that's total fucking bllocks right there, and that's a fact.

  • Goodfella #129 2 years ago

    Jesus, I see muscleblade is still furiously masturbating over ME2!

    It's not THAT good, and to say you don't think any PS3 exclusive can touch it or Halo Reach is blinkered and ignorant to say the least.

  • Geordiemp #130 2 years ago

    Jeesh, its not about how good a game reviews, or how many it sells. Read and understand what people are trying to say.

    Some are actually trying to suggest what M$ could do to get better engines on some games as a positive suggestion - I would like to see a third party shooter with UC2 like graphics and animations on 360. Yes I would.

    How can 360 get there, third party devs DO NOT need to put that engine effort and development cost to get sales or metacritic scores, they can do that with 5 year old engines. And most 360 customers seem happy with unreal (I am not), and so thats what many games will continue to get until enough customers become critical....


    Most third parties, being companies with shareholders, if there is no profit in developing better engines, or metacritic praises or sales, then why do so ?

    I am NOT saying 360 is not capable, but it needs M$ to push the tech. Maybe the pioint is too complicated, and the response is f..k off or ME got 90 % on metacritic or gears has big guns...gotta laugh
    Edited by 2 at 17/02/10 @ 14:56

  • Shikasama #131 2 years ago

    Can someone let me in on the difference between first, second and third party?

  • muscleblade #132 2 years ago

    @Goodfella

    Yes it is that good. live with it.

    @Geordiemp

    You have a point so i ganve you a +1 . Im still happy that Halo reach is coming out this year and not in 5 years time.
    Alan wake has been in develpment a looong time. It has potensial. I hope its not another Too Human.

    Because metacritic is an average of all proffesional reviews it says a lot of a games quality. Sales however do not.

  • Goodfella #133 2 years ago

    Well, I've played it mate, and it isn't. Live with it.

  • Geordiemp #134 2 years ago

    Trying to suggest positive ways 360 could improve is hard work.

    Ps3 also needs work, if some of these talented First party stopped and applied some of there know how in making say Uneal work better it may please allot of users (I hate Unreal but thats me). AlsoSony learn to spell LAN and local network, Xbox has system link, Ps3 does not know what that means. It means local play with no lag.

    The reality is both Sony and MS are spending there first party money in 2010 on Natal and wands. If you as a gamer dont fancy either, then kinda tough.

  • Widge #135 2 years ago

    Its 2nd party I'm not sure on.

  • Bill Gates is Evil #136 2 years ago

    The fact that Sony is now talking like they're an underdog is annoying as fuck.

    I should remind everyone that the PS2 sold nearly 140 million, compared with 24 million Xboxs sold. The fact that, despite Sony having the momentum of two massively successful generations, they've managed to fuck up enough that Microsoft is is beating them. Sony has lost respect, momentum, and most importantly sales this generation. Even if the PS3 marginally outsells the Xbox 360, Sony has been an absolute massive failure.

    It took the Playstation 2 five years to sell 100 million. It has taken the Playstation 3 four years to sell 33 million.

  • muscleblade #137 2 years ago

    "and love driving the shadow thingy"

    Oh you mean a GHOST. It is lovely.

  • darren1976 #138 2 years ago

    Sony exec claim of better graphics in terms of console grunt is wrong. However his comments about first party are correct. I think MS are really going to pay for not having decent first party support. I have both consoles and have no doubt that in terms of raw graphical grunt the 360 has the edge BUT PS3 1st party are really pushing the machine with code designed specifically for it. MS has no one doing this on 360 and it will begin to show. I think we all expect PS3 to overtake xbox eventually for numerous reasons, but the gap has closed this gen compared to the way ps2 dominated! MS need to have much stronger first partty support in future, it prpmotes a greater variety of games and devs can really make the machine sing. For a software co MS have dropped the ball somewhat and I think sony's strategy is definately starting to pay off. Yes cross platform perform better on 360 but these are not pushing or tailed to either consoles strengths and I honestly be.ieve that exclusives are now going to prove decisive! thank fuck i have both :)

  • EvilBob_leeds #139 2 years ago

    "ME2 is pretty much equal on PC and 360"

    Geez man, stop flogging that dead horse. Repeatedly stating something that isn't true doesn't make it true. Unless running at half the resolution with less that half the frame rate is pretty much equal. Which would render face offs pretty pointless.

    And neither is ME2 exclusive. Nor is Splinter Cell. Nor will DC Heroes online be. Try Fable 3.

  • GamesConnoisseur #140 2 years ago

    "It took the Playstation 2 five years to sell 100 million. It has taken the Playstation 3 four years to sell 33 million. "

    Sure Sony may not have as deep pocket as MS willing to throw money for just allowing once Playstation's exclusive third party franchise to appear on X360.

    BUT should position be reversed Sony would have done the same!! The story of how Sony lose all the advantages they held previous gen FOR the double edged sword of BD advantage. This BD allows PS3 to do more but also had made it too expensive and lost momentum for the good part of the HD race.

    Now pretty much level playing field and I always believed that is best for the consumers, as whilst PS2 domiance had seen some great titles but they were limited by the hardware (in my opinon mostly overegged as THE powerful console by Sony) but also had lots of samey/casual games.

    Now Wii get most of the casual/samey games attention and leaving PS3 and MS to get arguably better games than that was available last gen. Batman AA, Bioshock, Fallout 3, and so on. Numbers of AA games come more regularly than I recall last gen.
    .

  • Monkey_Puncher #141 2 years ago

    Pc is dead idiot face!

  • Syrette #142 2 years ago

    That playable Joker character was his prime example was it?

    Oh dear.

    I won't pretend Sony don't have more 1st party studios under their wing but in all honesty... Gran Turismo, God of War, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Killzone, Infamous is about all of any significant worth.

    Forza / GT

    GoW / Gears

    Uncharted / Fable

    Killzone / Halo?

    Infamous / Crackdown

    R & C / I don't know, Banjo N & B?

    They're about equal if you ask me, and there are simply still not enough exclusives out for finally entice me into ordering a PS3.

  • Geordiemp #143 2 years ago

    @ Tryrell...Well, that list starts off on Strategy and then goes to RPG, scrolled down a few pages and got bored.

    Which for many is the image of PC games, C&C strategy moving a mouse around or warcraft hobbits.

    @ foreverwhatever - its clear you have no idea on Ps3 games, the same as some have no idea on Xbox games. If you have one console only, you miss out on 50 %. There is no winner or better, you just get more.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 16:07

  • Syrette #144 2 years ago

    @ Geordiemp

    What a stupid, baseless comment. How on earth did you deduce that I have no idea about PS3 games?

    Can you actually disagree with any part of that post?

  • Geordiemp #145 2 years ago

    Easy.

    How you listed the equivalent xbox and Ps3 games.

    GOW a third person fighting game where the camera is fixed vs What did you say ? Gears LOL

    Then fable, a third person adventure RPG with conversations and a cute dog, and Uncharted which is a platformer / Thrid person shooter....

    I have both consoles, both have benefits and are equal in my eyes, you trying to justify your Xbox is the best because .....stop there shall we ?
    Edited by 3 at 17/02/10 @ 16:15

  • Chazmeister #146 2 years ago

    @GamesConnoisseur

    I agree, I think it's to all our advantage that the 360 and PS3 are on a more or less equal footing. It means that many developers are more likely to invest larger amounts of money and time into key cross platform titles knowing that they will sell across 2 or 3 formats ie PC, PS3 and 360. If there was a large disparity between the formats then they would have to develop completely seperate titles for each format, thus splitting up their development funds and teams into smaller portions, meaning less good quality titles for each format.

    Also for us consumers it means you only need to own one of the consoles to play the majority of the big titles.

  • Monkey_Puncher #147 2 years ago

    Maybe you should sense the sarcasm in my post Tyrell, and put your toys back in your pram while you're at it.

  • Syrette #148 2 years ago

    @ Geordiemp

    They're not like for like, they're as close as I could get to similar exclusive 1st party games.

    Just in case you missed it, that post was more about numbers than anything else.

  • Geordiemp #149 2 years ago

    Ouch tyrell,

    I will take the sarcasm back. Get a job and stop insulting people, its rude and I will tell your mom. If I take a swipe at Xbox or Ps3, who cares ?
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 16:21

  • abcd #150 2 years ago

    I think we've all had a bit too much sugar today.

  • Geordiemp #151 2 years ago

    tyrell, You said

    They're about equal if you ask me, and there are simply still not enough exclusives out for finally entice me into ordering a PS3.

    Thats a typical fanboy comment, so you bought a Xbox first, so did I. That does not mean Ps3 is not great as well. The fact you can get 5-10 great exclusives on an xbox only or Ps3 only is enough for many users to have both.

    What swung it for me in whats the point of paying £ 40 for the latest console exclusive, when you can buy from Shopto for £ 15 say many great exclusives for that other console, whether its ME1, Fable or Inamous and Killzone. So many good games.

    I would not do without 2 copies of crackdown or ODST for firefight, and would certainly not do without Uc2 or infamous. Its hard to say whats the best, its just more !
    Edited by 2 at 17/02/10 @ 16:30

  • Widge #152 2 years ago

    @foreverafternothing

    your list-o-games is a bit short one the PS3 side. That is the point of the comment. More first party games.

  • Verminox #153 2 years ago

    Microsoft Responds:

    "MS: "Xbox 360 has the most exclusives"
    Wednesday 17-Feb-2010 3:28 PM It's Aaron Greenberg's turn
    21 Comments
    Ready for this? Aaron Greenberg has told OXM that no other console has more exclusive content than Xbox 360.

    "There's no other platform that offers more exclusives," he explained in a group interview. "Obviously there are going to be great games on the PlayStation 3, and we respect that, but our goal is to have the most blockbuster titles and the most exclusives and I think we clearly have that this year."

    Greenberg went on: "It's going to be a big year for us. And not just for core games, but what we're going to do with Xbox Live, we're going to bring Project Natal this holiday."

    This comes, hilariously, hours after strong words from Sony man Rob Dyer has done the rounds, claiming PS3 is "better for our publishing community" than 360, and laying into MS's lack of first party devs. "

    Really?
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 16:33

  • DAN.E.B #154 2 years ago

    sony PR makes retarded statement shocker!

  • Geordiemp #155 2 years ago

    Botrh PR guys speak rubbish.

    Whats interesting is the difference in exclusives, one buys studios for first party, one buys existing franchise exclusives from third parties.

    Owning the studio means you cna push for console specific engines. But you are stuck with the franchise. Buying exclusives you cna throw money at the trendy game of the day and its yours, but you dont advance console specific engine or tech...

    However, trying to debate the benefits of each on this fanboy forum is a non starter - you will get called wanker, pregnant if any terminology makes one console to be better than anaother or having any advantage at all.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 16:42

  • Syrette #156 2 years ago

    @Verminox

    You know both Sony and MS will have plenty of unannounced titles to be debuted at the like of E3 etc, right?

  • 52pickup #157 2 years ago

    Makes a change. Usually it's that Greenburg guy having a pop.

  • laudy #158 2 years ago

    Christ on a bike, is this still going on?!!

    Bravo EG

    Wow, I've never seen such sensitivity!

  • ronuds #159 2 years ago

    I thought the person making these comments was a child.

  • bmxbandit #160 2 years ago

    He's right with this though, and only 360 owning children and those ignorant of developers will question it.

    Honestly, if MS actually made a few games, this wouldnt be an issue. PC gamers ... it shows again with them cancelling Alan Wake for your format of choice, leaving you with a sub-par version when many bought PC's with Wake in mind. They're pooping on you guys continuously. I wouldnt stand for it, so I dont.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 17:41

  • coolbritannia #161 2 years ago

    Les Pauls beat Fenders anyday! Oh wait wrong fanboy fight, my bad.

  • Loghorn #162 2 years ago

    @Bill Gates is Evil; I definitely agree with you.

    Sony is acting all cocky & arrogant again just because of the slim model & the lower price tag. I don't think they've changed at all. Especially when it comes to pricing, such as the PSP Go (in which it's a downgraded model of the other PSP models). Plus Blu-Ray=better graphics in games? LOL! Looks like they're acting back to the way they originally were in E3 '06 indeed.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 21:17

  • beroscoe #163 2 years ago

    From the publishers view by going with an exclusive you are only discounting people who own JUST the other console. (If youve got both consoles you can still buy the game. Given that the Xbox is selling for £99 for an arcade version, yet the PS3 is still £250, I would wager there are higher volumes of people with JUST an xbox. So it makes perfect sense for 3rd parties to do an Xbox exclusive, as Microsoft give them a load of cash to compensate for the few sales to people who just have a PS3 - simple marketing mathmatics. Let the people who make games get on with making them, rather than the big blue chips pretending that they are any good at creating 1st party innovative game software...

    Thats the real reason that Sony have issues convincing 3rd party publishers to do exclusive deals with them that make financial sense.

  • Machiavellian #164 2 years ago

    I believe the reason MS does not invest in first party studios is because of their PC background. MS believes that its not the studio but instead the IP that's more important. MS can shop the best IP to the best developer which in their minds makes more sense. If the game tanks, MS does not have the liability of the studio on their hands and can move the IP to another more capable developer.

    Now MS can have multiple IPs come out at the same time because those IPs are not dependent on when a particular company can produce the game. This gives MS more flexibility on how they handle their IP content and how and when it's delivered.

    Will there be third parties become second party like Epic, YES. MS will make sure they are funding these 2nd party games with established IPs that they can expect a certain amount of success with.

    There is nothing wrong with this model. MS appears to want to just be a publisher but not have to worry about owning the companies and then having to scrap them if they start to decline.

  • Power_n_Glory #165 2 years ago

    It really doesn't matter about exclusive games at this point. It's about the price.

    Sales usually spike with a price drop. I bought my PS3 when I saw the 250gb console for £250 and two games. That's what caught my attention. Sony has great games but so does Microsoft.

    Buy both consoles if you can. Both are quality machines.

  • TRUTH #166 2 years ago

    The situation previously me and mates all had a PS2 (though I bought Xbox too) and thought this is the MAIN console for pure gaming (beating Xbox, Dreamcast) - Now many of my gaming friends inc me have gone to Xb360 (though I also have PS3); and now mostly are using the XB360 as there main gaming machine!

    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 21:51

  • jefranklin18 #167 2 years ago

    And once again, Purchese starts his fanboy baiting. The article on the Sixth Axis actually has a few more quotes from Dyer, putting the statements in better context: [link url=http://www.thesixthaxis. com/2010/02/17/ps3-serves-publishers-better-than-microsoft-s ony/
    ]http://ww w.thesixthaxis.com/2010/02/17/p...[/link]

    The Pavlovian response by PS3 and Xbox fanboys to any article by any Sony/Microsoft PR person must entertain the EG staff.

  • des #168 2 years ago

    Hmm...Sony is certainly blabbing a lot lately.

  • laharl80 #169 2 years ago

    Microsoft should make a game based on the idea of visiting forum threads or article comment sections that have anything to do with Sony or playstation and spouting bullshit and giving people negative marks who say anything good about Sony.The 360 fanbase would lap it up.
    Edited by 1 at 17/02/10 @ 20:51

  • RobotRocker #170 2 years ago

    Microsoft should make a game based on the idea of visiting forum threads or article comment sections that have anything to do with Sony or playstation and spouting bullshit and giving people negative marks who say anything good about Sony.The 360 fanbase would lap it up.

    "Hurf. Xbots are worse than the Sony Defence Force and Nintendroids. Durf"

    Fly away fanboys.

  • ronuds #171 2 years ago

    Someone else pointed this out to me...

    He takes a shot at Rare for "hardly doing anything." Maybe they should be wondering what Polyphony are doing rather than worrying so much about the competition? They've released one half game...

  • Badassbab #172 2 years ago

    Face it would you rather have the 360 console exclusives of Mass Effect, Splinter Cell and Left for Dead or the PS3 only exclusives of White Knight Chronicles and MAG?

    Just cause it's first party doesn't mean it's the best. A lot of third party games rinse first party offerings.

  • freakzilla #173 2 years ago

    I hate corporate mouth-pieces so much.

  • TRUTH #174 2 years ago

    White Knight Chronicles and MAG

    Both are pretty average (at best) - check reviews of these games. MAG is crap, there's so much better online games already out.

  • polaris70 #175 2 years ago

    My ps3 is great, I love the graphics on it - when I'm watching a blu-ray. If I want to play a game I don't want a chugging mess of poor frame rates, screen tearing and shoddy ports which is usually the case on the ps3, especially multiplatform games. It's a no-brainer for me, multiplatform games go on my 360.

  • seanthejackal #176 2 years ago

    lol @ 360 fanboys. Playstation does have better graphics and far more potential, take our exclusive Killzone 2 for an example. The 360 has had a years headstart and it still hasn't produced a game on par with Killzone 2 (graphics wise) just buy i PS3 already and get rid of that piece of shit console thats slowing down gaming advancement.

  • TRUTH #177 2 years ago

    Killzone is liner corridor to box room. It has set pieces, the vehicles are total shit, the explosions are naff, the physics are bland, there are hardly more then nine characters onscreen (respawn out of view), the best graphics are set pieces which you don't interact with until it's run it's course (such as the explosion when your going up the lift), AI is actually all they really do is have is duck behind boxes or look around corners - I played this twice now, you notice the more you play that most of the AI is set to prefixed...The game looks good but in reality is not that great the way PS3 fanboys make it out. I got a PS3, play MW2, Bioshock 2 (360 ver), Far Cry 2 (360 ver), Mass Effect 2 (some sections graphically are the finest I've seen in console gaming), yet though these games are doing a hell of a lot more then what KZ 2 with physics, characters onscreen, Ai, particle effects etc etc...You'll see how actually fake KZ 2 is!

    And a game that has been especially developed for 3+ years for PS3 from the ground up, with full finance and technical support from Sony - I wasn't that impressed - esp after all the hype!

    KZ may look great, but for sure it's now a leap from other games. The only reason I keep this game, is the very odd occasion playing online.

  • Vertius #178 2 years ago

    I love how Microsoft can talk shit all day and night with only mild discontent laid against them, but as soon as Sony murmur about their market position, a fleet of WAAAAAAAAHmbulances grow out of the woodwork.

    Nice objectivism, guys.

  • Badassbab #179 2 years ago

    Can peeps stop going on about KZ2 graphics.Yes it's very good but it also features frequent frame rate drops, low res alpha effetcs, quite a lot of low res textures, some basic level geometry and since it uses quincux AA every texture is blurred giving it that classic PS3 washed out dull look.

  • Bravestinsane #180 2 years ago

    @seanthejackal

    "lol @ 360 fanboys. Playstation does have better graphics and far more potential, take our exclusive Killzone 2 for an example. The 360 has had a years headstart and it still hasn't produced a game on par with Killzone 2 (graphics wise) just buy i PS3 already and get rid of that piece of shit console thats slowing down gaming advancement."

    Seriously not being a fanboy or trying to annoy you but 1 game is what makes the PS3 better.... ok whatever you say, I still find it funny how people insist Graphics as the most important seller of a game, gameplay is far more important than graphics unless you get your kicks of big muscular blokes looking more real... ill leave that to you..

    Either way my PC kicks the shit out of any game the consoles have to offer, and mines just a mid range one, people have far better computers than me.

    The thing i find kills games for me more than anything isn't graphics or gameplay it's the pissing hype, Modern Warfare 2, Star Trek Online, Fable 2 many games like those were too hyped up. Admitidly there all reasonable games but been catered to much to casual gamers, and that goes for virtually every game these days.

    PS "Sony disses 360's first-party support" eermm ok, so now were all gangsters and chavs who talk like that... right... don't

  • NightAntilli #181 2 years ago

    This guy's arrogance is appalling. I don't know if it comes from ignorance or from stupidity.

    As for the Greenberg comments.. See the difference? He says "we respect that" to Sony, however, I would never see Sony do that..
    Edited by 1 at 18/02/10 @ 01:24

  • TAPNGO #182 2 years ago

    @Vertius

    you're right they both need to shut up, they're lucky and gamers are lucky they both fucked up, sony could have put microsoft out of the console business because of the rrod, but they wanted to push bluray, and microsoft could have put sony out of the console business if they didn't have the rrod. And hardcore gamers would be stuck with the wii.

    and also i dont think he realized that he just shit on all 3rd party developers( look at the wii's 3rd party) good thing they have a gimmick.

  • Loghorn #183 2 years ago

    This guy's arrogance is appalling. I don't know if it comes from ignorance or from stupidity.

    Mainly both.

    As for the Greenberg comments.. See the difference? He says "we respect that" to Sony, however, I would never see Sony do that...

    That's because Sony (along with their fanboys) always thinks that they're invincible & on top & that no one will come as close to them because of the famous PS brand. Sony needs to put a lid on it, seriously. Their arrogance already got them in trouble back in E3 '06, & it could come back to bite them in the ass again later on down the road.

  • X3Entente #184 2 years ago

    my cock is much bigger than yours!!!!

  • Sulphur #185 2 years ago

    @Vertius: Well, if console owners are supposed to be Ayn Rand fans, yeah.

  • laharl80 #186 2 years ago

    @seanthejackal
    Nicely put.
    Xbots might like to check out the latest like for like FFXIII screenshots for an example of the limitations of xbox 180.

  • waddid #187 2 years ago

    I agree with the bigwig at Sony.

    I have both the XBOX360 and PS3 and whilst the XBOX wins hands down on multiplayer gaming thanks to XBOX Live, the PS3 exclusive titles although few and far between are superior to what is on offer on 360.

    Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted, LBP, Heavy Rain....all great titles and graphicly superior to the 360.

    I wish 3rd party developers would develop primarily for the PS3 to take advantage of the graphics capabilities and then port to the 360. I can't see it happening though with the additional costs involved with the process.

  • laharl80 #188 2 years ago

    @waddid
    The only way live beats psn is if you have a fetish for being verbally abused by 13 year old american cretins.Although you may get the odd bit of bother on psn at least Sony doesn't charge you for the privilege.

  • PlugMonkey #189 2 years ago

    This guy's arrogance is appalling. I don't know if it comes from ignorance or from stupidity.

    It doesn't come from either. It comes from his salary. This is his job. He's paid to spout shit like this.

  • laudy #190 2 years ago

    "It doesn't come from either. It comes from his salary. This is his job. He's paid to spout shit like this. "

    +1

    Although you should say things like this...because what you said actually makes sense...

    Making sense isn't the right catalyst for the sort of brainless argument that's been going on over hand-picked extracts. From an article. From another website.

  • EmiliasHorse #191 2 years ago

    It is half term this week isn't it?

    Lots of comments in this thread do rather point towards bored youths with too much time on their hands.

  • Bloobat #192 2 years ago

    Fan boys SHUT UP, yes SONY has better exclusives ( in my opinion anyway), but live has more feeatures and stuff...

    LIVe has more features but atleast on PS3 you don't get 12 yr old american spolit dicks on the mics as much!

    xbox and ps3 are different, it depends on which one you like, you don't need to start going nuts at a PR guy doing his job!
    Edited by 1 at 18/02/10 @ 19:01

  • TRUTH #193 2 years ago

    waddid

    I have both consoles too!...MGS 4 is not that great looker esp now(I'm talking about the gameplay not the FMV), Killzone 2 read my previous comments, Heavy Rain - not real time as it's all set pieces streamed of disc, Uncharted 2 - yes great looker, but, not really that ahead of older games like Batman AA, Assassins Creed 2 which both are larger open ended adventures and more complex games also with more happening then Uncharted 2 - and look close or just as good; also both these games looked better on XB360...I can't see how you how say there superior then any 360 games...Fact at present Forza 3, Mass Effect 2, Bayonetta (360 version), and even parts Assassins Creed 2 look as good as any PS3 looks!...certain areas may also surpass.

    PS3 exclusives are developed for Sony with Sony finance and Sony technical strengths - yet XB360 a large majority never really develop there own engines as they simply use engines already made, eg: Unreal...Play Assassins Creed II on a XB360, then play Uncharted 2 and you will see that both games surpass each other in certain areas. But to say PS3 exclusives are Superior is just talking nonsense!...I have played PS3's Uncharted 2, KZ 2, MGS 4 and also 360's Mass Effect 2, Forza 3, Bayonetta, GoW 2, Assassins Creed II (Xb360)...and can to most people playing these games will be impressed, and will not notice the superior machine if you can't tell the difference between a XB or PS.

    With Dead Space 2, Crysis 2, Rage, Special Op, Ghost Recon 3 etc etc...these games are multiformat but already looking better then any exclusives on either console. If any was an exclusive to one console a major fuss would me made - esp by PS3 fanboys!

    By the way Virtua Fighte 5, Assassins Creed 1, Virtua Tennis, Sega Rally, Resident Evil 5 are just a few games that started life on PS3 then ported to 360, once the engine was developed for PS3 then transferred to XB360 - and wasn't it Sony who said VF 5, AC 1 (originally started on PS3 as an exclusive), Sega Rally could never be done on Xb360 due to advanced graphical capability of PS3...But at the end all games looked better and played better on XB360 - FACT!
    Edited by 2 at 18/02/10 @ 19:37

  • waddid #194 2 years ago

    @laharl80

    Personally I don't have a fetish for being verbally abused by 13 year old american cretins. Neither do I by a cretin by the name of laharl80. I gather you have not managed to facilitate yourself with the mute feature which has been available since 2007.

    As comebacks go that was pretty lame. And devoid of anything of substance.

  • waddid #195 2 years ago

    @TRUTH

    I'm not a PS3 fanboy I use my XBOX far more than my PS3. You can continue below for more corrections to your post (although not to your grammer).

    You said - MGS 4 is not that great looker esp now(I'm talking about the gameplay not the FMV), Killzone 2 read my previous comments, Heavy Rain - not real time as it's all set pieces streamed of disc, Uncharted 2 - yes great looker, but, not really that ahead of older games like Batman AA, Assassins Creed 2

    I Say - MGS4 does have good graphics during gameplay - agreed the FMV is a significant portion of the game but the gameplay is good in its own right. Killzone 2? I can't be bothered to read your previous posts and didn't list killzone 2 because I actually thought it was a crap game graphically and I even played it through to the end. Heavy Rain, well the jury is out on that one for me as it is not out until the 26th here so I can't say TRUTHfully how it plays having only viewed footage on here and other sites. Uncharted 2 not that ahead of older games like BatmanAA and Assassins Creed 2? Thats not the point I was talking about graphics and wasn't expecting a revolution in gaming from the title but at least you agree it is a looker so half way there. Oh and the other two games you mentioned Batman and Assassins Creed 2 were both developed for XBOX then ported to PS3 so no wonder they look as good! But weren't they released about the same time? I don't think they were that much older.

    You said - PS3 exclusives are developed for Sony with Sony finance and Sony technical strengths - yet XB360 a large majority never really develop there own engines as they simply use engines already made, eg: Unreal

    I say - Isn't that the point of a 1st party development to have funding and in-house expertise? Does Microsoft not have Microsoft Game Studios and fund development of games through them? Does the PS3 not have a large majority of 3rd party developers using their own engines as well?

    You said - But to say PS3 exclusives are Superior is just talking nonsense!

    I say - No it's not. And unfortunately that view won't change unless developers switch to developing primarily for the PS3 and then porting to the 360.

    You said - and will not notice the superior machine if you can't tell the difference between a XB or PS

    I say - Maybe the underlying problem here is that you have not upgraded yet from your 14" CRT to a 1080 HD telly

    Anyway you've taken enough of my time already for what is worth a pointless post. I am off to play TA DA TA DA TA DA - on my 360!

    I am a fanboy, have been since my C64!
    Edited by 1 at 18/02/10 @ 20:21

  • TRUTH #196 2 years ago

    I actually have a Pioneer KRP50" 1080p tv. I get the best possible picture, both console are connected by HDMI.

  • waddid #197 2 years ago

    @TRUTH

    By the way Virtua Fighte 5, Assassins Creed 1, Virtua Tennis, Sega Rally, Resident Evil 5 are just a few games that started life on PS3 then ported to 360, once the engine was developed for PS3 then transferred to XB360 - and wasn't it Sony who said VF 5, AC 1 (originally started on PS3 as an exclusive), Sega Rally could never be done on Xb360 due to advanced graphical capability of PS3...But at the end all games looked better and played better on XB360 - FACT!

    No, no, no all factually inaccurate apart from what Sony said which I don't care about anyway. I give up with you.
    Edited by 1 at 19/02/10 @ 07:42

  • TRUTH #198 2 years ago

    Sony at E3 commented back in 2006 made huge fuss about how the PS3 was 4x more powerful then the 360. The reason why those then games will not be appearing on XB360...But they did and where better on 360.

    Don't read (above), do think I really care!
    Edited by 1 at 19/02/10 @ 21:57