Sony dismisses exclusive GTA 360 content

By Robert Purchese Published 31 March, 2008

Reckons most people won't bother.

Sony has dismissed the exclusive episodic content for the Xbox 360 version of Grand Theft Auto IV, claiming that a "large percentage" of gamers will be unwilling to fork out for it - at least to start with.

Sony America marketing man Scott Steinberg believes there is more than enough content in the launch version to keep you occupied.

"Perhaps [Microsoft will be] shipping some episodic content in the fall, but there is a whole lot of product shipping on the PS3 in April and I personally don't think there's going to be a huge percentage of folks who [will] jump into downloadable content for another price when they're still playing through the core product," Scott Steinberg told GameDaily.

"So while I do think having that brand on their system was a move for them which they felt they needed to make because they cut a big cheque for it, I think PlayStation fans know the Grand Theft Auto experience on the PS2 is how they grew up playing Grand Theft Auto.

"When you combine GTA IV with MGS 4 and Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - all the exclusive content that we've got going forward - I think that goes from tipping point to shoving point for consumers who are on the fence," he added.

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  • decibel #1 4 years ago

    damage control!!11one

  • THEGREATMADMAN #2 4 years ago

    Bet it would be a different story if sony were getting the exclusive content

  • DDevil #3 4 years ago

    Yeah, they would be singing it from the rooftops if they had the exclusive content. That's business for you though. Don't blame them either way.
    Edited by 2 at 31/03/08 @ 11:52

  • Lexx87 #4 4 years ago

    I do, Sony PR i'll say again makes me vomit.

  • rudedudejude #5 4 years ago

    allsonywantforchristmasisagoodgameandnomoregtamonopolyhehe

  • MrsPacMan #6 4 years ago

    PS3 owners are getting episodic content for GT5 one year before the game is released and have to pay £25 for it. I bet the GTA4 dlc won't cost that much.

  • Lovemoose #7 4 years ago

    It seems to be quite a common story on the web that people are actually using as GTAIV as the excuse to finally buy a next-gen console. My guess is that if they're buying a £200 quid console as an extra for a game, they're fairly likely to buy the DLC as well...

  • Garulon #8 4 years ago

    Mmmm, these grapes are lovely and sour thanks Sony.

  • Moz #9 4 years ago

    Bet it would be a different story if sony were getting the exclusive content

    Of course it would, Sony would be going about how great it was (Like MS are) and Microsoft would be going on about how it's not important.

    I don't think any one can say that either companies PR is any better or worse then the other

    edit:/ sorry some terrible typos
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 11:58

  • NthSimulachum #10 4 years ago

    Ooh, the PS3 guys are talking about games, finally!

  • Res #11 4 years ago

    "Bet it would be a different story if sony were getting the exclusive content"

    Of course, and Microsoft would be the ones saying it is pointless.

    DLC doesn't bother me though as I normally just wait for it to become free or don't bother with it. I will buy it on whichever system runs the game the smoothest, if they are identical then I will probably go for the PS3 version because it doesn't sound like a jet powering up.

  • Darren #12 4 years ago

    Well he is right as I'd imagine a lot of Xbox 360 owners won't bother downloading the extra content for GTA IV and it isn't really much of a reason to buy it over the PS3 version since initially both games will ship with the same content.

    I've opted for the Xbox 360 version of the game because I believe it'll be the best version, that decision had absolutely nothing to do with it having DLC. The GTA games have tens of hours of gameplay out of the box so unless Rockstar have cut back on it for the sake of releasing stuff as DLC - not beyond the realms of possibility in this era of digital distribution - then I cannot imagine I'd ever need DLC personally. From what I understand, the game's playing area will remain the same with the DLC anyway so it won't offer the same thing as, say, the Shivering Isles for Oblivion, which gave you a new island to play around in.

  • Schiraman #13 4 years ago

    TBH I think he's probably right to some extent - I'm guessing a lot of people will never finish all the core content of GTA4 - let alone feel the need to pay to download more. Still, given a choice between the 360 version with the possibility of DLC and the PS3 version without it's not hard to see which people are more likely to go for...

  • systems #14 4 years ago

    Surely it's nice to have the choice though? True, most people won't buy it but some will when they're ready for more action (or gamerwhore points).

    I have both systems but I started with GTA on the PC so I don't mind not playing with a PS controller and will get the 360 version.

  • bitesize #15 4 years ago

    I personally don't think there's going to be a huge percentage of folks who [will] jump into downloadable content for another price when they're still playing through the core product

    but maybe, once i've finished the core product, it'll be nice to have some extra content to play through then?

  • Rash' #16 4 years ago

    It's a fair argument. Those three franchises made their names on the PS brand and in the mainstream (i.e. not the gaming enthusiasts like you and I) Playstation is the only platform where you can play all three of those games, which is true.
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 12:08

  • stampax #17 4 years ago

    Agree with Darren.
    At the end of the day he is right, i bet at least 70% of xbox owners wont d/l the extra content.
    But its still sour grapes.

  • sonsonate #18 4 years ago

    Lol, "grew up with GTA on PS2". Boy, I'm sure that a few people can recall when this game was only out on PC.

  • captainrentboy #19 4 years ago

    I'm not sure whether the exclusive DLC will be a deciding factor for many folk as to which version they buy, or even which console they buy to actually play it on, I say that because bar MS shouting about it to us geeks it's not really something that's advertised a lot, I'd imagine the vaaast majority of casual gamers out there have no clue that DLC is coming to the 360.
    But, I do think that when it's actually released it will be a success, as long as it's not priced stupidly high. As we've seen with the Halo 3 content, Live gamers are more than happy to spend their MS points to add a lil longevity to a game.

  • miiiguel #20 4 years ago

    Rash is probably right, I mean, the "problem" with PS brand is that ppl buy the system to play 4-5 games in 10 years of its life time.
    Like a collegue of work that bought a PS3 recently admited " I just want to play a footie game every two years, and shoot something every now and then, I don't realy care about games Miguel..."

  • SleepyMagpie #21 4 years ago

    30% of the buyers of the 360 version paying up for it is still nice extra revenue, given the masses that will buy GTA IV. Besides, for completists the 360's will be the edition to get.

    I won't dl the content immediately, that's for sure, but reading the LOOONG interview in the current EDGE mag with Sam Houser, the content sounded cool, actually.

    What Sony REALLY should be worried about is whether GTA IV will run as well on the PS3, and look as good as the 360 version! And as their track record has shown, that is not certain at all!

  • Eighthours #22 4 years ago

    Steinberg is destined to become just as hated as Sony's previous PR mouthpieces. Everything he's come out with so far has been depressingly spintastic.

  • captainrentboy #23 4 years ago

    That coleague sounds mental, by shooting things every now and again did he actually mean on a computer game?

  • Rash' #24 4 years ago

    miiguel, purists are in the minority in any mainstream market.

  • Altrezia #25 4 years ago

    I agree with him. I won't be buying the extra content. GTA is fun as it's a sandbox. the story lines have never 'made' the games.

  • Dizzy #26 4 years ago

    It all depends on what the content is. Crackdown and Oblivion had some great new content.

    The DLC of course also makes it possible for R* to release a Game of the Year edition next XMas for 360. That one might convince some people IMHO.
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 12:16

  • lambtron #27 4 years ago

    Well, I own both consoles and will be getting the complete version for sure. So that's at least one less sale Mr Sony Man.

  • Moz #28 4 years ago

    Will be interesting to see if one of the companies gets a sponsership deal for the TV advertising. Like Sony did with burnout paradise.

    As that is likely to give more of a boost then DLC. And if the adverts show both systems logo equally then the timing of the GT5 Prologe release could be better then you'd first think as thoughs adds do have a wow factor that might be enough for people who are going for GTA4 to think that it'll make a great second game.

  • erp #29 4 years ago

    He said "going forwards". He loses.

    Infact his final sentence pretty much exploded the Bullshit Bingo machine.

  • Thalanos #30 4 years ago

    I have just realised that I have never paid for a single piece of game add-on DLC (excluding XBLA games here)!

    I think Sony are right in saying that the DLC downloads will be low in realtion to games sales, but given the choice I think people will buy the version with the optional extras in case it turns out to be worth the money. I will be. Maybe the GTA episodes will be my first purchase. Who knows?
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 12:23

  • Skooch #31 4 years ago

    LOL at Headbog - pasting in links and grabbing at straws make you look almost as desperate as Sony. This DLC will sell bucketloads, and you know it!

  • muters #32 4 years ago

    I'd imagine that a lot of GTA4 owners won't buy the DLC, true, but then GTA4's inevitably going to be one of the bestselling (if not the bestselling) game of this generation, so it'll still sell more DLC units than any other title's. That's nothing to be sniffed at, and claiming that it's not an issue ('didn't want the extra content anyway, poo it smells!') is just so transparently false. And that comment at the end about PS3 exclusives... well, there's a reason my PS3's been gathering dust since I got it at Christmas.
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 12:22

  • prolific8 #33 4 years ago

    headbog just earnt a whole days commission from SDF for that post...

  • mkreku #34 4 years ago

    I don't think the extra DLC will make people choose the Xbox 360 version before the PS3 version. I think the combination of better graphics and higher frame rates is what will make people choose the Xbox 360 version. :D

  • Moz #35 4 years ago

    @muters, I'll bite the bate this thread is bound to go off topic into general willy waving anyway!

    But firstly why are you not Playing Motorstorm or Resistance or GT5P or Uncharted or Rachet??? All brilliant games, which leads me onto another thought, a year on and i'm still playing Motorstorm and Resistance, yet theres not a single 360 exclusive launch game that i was still playing after a year. PS3 may have fewer games but what it does have keeps you coming back for more, surely that's better then forking out another £50 every month or two cos you've got all you can out of the games you have?

    Anyway back to Lost Oddysee with me.

  • NorUraeus #36 4 years ago

    Well I am pretty sure this actually reflects Sony's thinking. Sony probably had a specific amount of money which they set aside to buy exclusives and in the end they decided that paying to keep MGS4 and Final Fantasy exclusive was a better investment than buying exclusive GTA4 DLC. So the question is where they right; is MGS4, FF and GTA4 (without DLC) a more attractive package than just GTA4 + DLC.

  • agparrot #37 4 years ago

    I cannot disagree with anything that Scott Steinberg says, per se.

    I'm still buying it on the 360, and I'll be buying the DLC, too.

  • miiiguel #38 4 years ago

    Anyway, if it didn't have any importance, Sony man wouldn't talk about it. I never heard this fuss with Xbox 180, so these MS guys must be doing something right this time...

  • bad09 #39 4 years ago

    Well let be honest he is not gonna say " You should go for 360 version as it's got more missions" is he?

    It's a difficult one though a friend of mine (big GTA fan) recently traded his 360 for PS3 and when I told him of the extra content on 360 he didn't seem to fussed, so maybe he is right and people won't care much.

    I haven't got my PS3 yet but if I did I would still go for 360 version, I'll take all the extra GTA action I can get! :)

  • FenderMaster #40 4 years ago

    hes actually right, th vast majority of gta's market are casuals, who dont do downloadable or episodic gaming

    mgs4 isnt as big a draw to casuals as sony thinks though...

  • Les #41 4 years ago

    In the meantime, Nintendo sells Wiis by the millions...

  • Anthony_UK #42 4 years ago

    ''We don't need exclusive content'' Says man who doesn't have exclusive content!

    Sorry PR guys really are terrible!

    Personally, I don't think it's a a system seller, but I know which versin I'll be getting........

  • Spielo #43 4 years ago

    People "grew up" with GTA on PlayStation? Every GTA game is rated 18, he shouldn't be suggesting that anyone grew up with GTA (though of course many did, though hopefully many people got to experience the far superior PC versions).

  • anomagnus #44 4 years ago

    Oh right, yea, no one will bother.

    But get this, apparently people will LOVE have virtual items in the 'Home' house

    Total bs, and total damage control

    @headbog

    No offense, but you sound like you're on the sony payroll. If it were reversed, you'd be bitching about MS Home, and trumpeting about the sony GTA IV DLC



  • Rash' #45 4 years ago

    NorUraeus, I think they opted for exclusive R* game rather than exclusive DLC for GTA4.

  • Miths #46 4 years ago

    "Well, I own both consoles and will be getting the complete version for sure. So that's at least one less sale Mr Sony Man."

    I also own both consoles, and I've quickly reached a point where I'll take a potentially inferior PS3 version just to avoid the disc drive and fan noise of my 360 :p. Even though I also actually much prefer the 360 controller to the SixAxis.

    I've only fired up my 360 once or twice over the last couple of weeks - I was instantly reminded of how much I long for the day where the PS3 game catalogue is large enough that I can pack away my 360 altogether, and only drag it out for really compelling exclusives.
    It looks like it won't be too long if my previous two weeks of PS3 gaming are anything to go by.

  • Les #47 4 years ago

    "What Sony REALLY should be worried about is whether GTA IV will run as well on the PS3, and look as good as the 360 version! And as their track record has shown, that is not certain at all!"

    No they shouldn't. Comparisons to the 360 will be irrelevant in due time (and have never been relevant to the non-hardcore). For now because of the high price point the PS3 has to prove its credibility with the hardcore gamers, thus battling the 360. But as the PS3's price will go down in the future, bringing it more in reach of the non-hardcore, Sony should focus on the real opposition: Wii.

  • Dizzy #48 4 years ago

    "headbog just earnt a whole days commission from SDF for that post... "

    Damn. Stuff like that makes me want to pull him out of /ignore. I can use a good laugh :) But it will take more.
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 12:41

  • TONYgr #49 4 years ago

    if it runs and plays like the 360 version i will buy the ps3 one.if not and this is a big possibility i will go for the 360 version.i dont care about the dlc.

  • Moz #50 4 years ago

    As a point of interest they did a poll on GametrailersTV and this was the top 5 game franchises:

    1 - Final Fantasy
    2 - Metal Gear Solid
    3 - GTA
    4 - Legen of Zelda
    5 - Halo

    So this could suggest that Sony are backing the right francises!

  • BadBoyBonner #51 4 years ago

    The fact that the PS3 has a BR drive yet the 360 is getting the version with the most content shows there is more than one way to skin a cat.

    Least we forget - the fact that GTAIV is doing a simultaneous launch on Xbox as well as PS - was egg all over Sony's face for a start. The fact that the more compelling version will come out on Xbox is the second egg on the Sony face - which is rotten and stinking.

    Hats off to the Microsoft bod responsible for this coup.

  • Dizzy #52 4 years ago

    "As a point of interest they did a poll on GametrailersTV and this was the top 5 game franchises: "

    Hehehe.. Polls on the internet. Zero value.

  • BadBoyBonner #53 4 years ago

    Moz

    Or it could suggest that Playstation loyalist are the most likely people to vote in any online poll.

  • Machetazo #54 4 years ago

    Well, I do think the PS3 has a good deal of compelling content coming soon, and if all that Microsoft can say to consumers is "but our version of GTA IV has DLC" when faced with Sony's greater variety in the first-party arena, an established broader focus, tied to continued and improving third-party releases, then it's not a guaranteed thing. PSN is also a strong suit for Sony. They can talk up the free online play, and there's the rumours I saw this weekend that Sony will attempt to draw GTA players to their version, with strong HOME integration (as referenced by headbog)

    At this stage, this isn't a clash I'd want to be charged with predicting the outcome of.
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 12:47

  • Stormflood #55 4 years ago

    Still not sure how MS marketing will handle this at point-of-sale.

    Will there be posters saying "GTAIV on Xbox 360 - the only version with more missions in 6 months time (at a fee)."?

    I mean, both versions will have identical content on launch day, so they can't falsely advertise one as having more content than the other, can they?

  • anomagnus #56 4 years ago

    @moz

    Moz, of those 5 games, one isn't of any relevance to Xbox or PS3, one is cross platform, and one is Xbox 360 exclusive.

    If you're referring then to Final Fantasy and MGS, yea, they're great franchises, one of which (if you take him at his word......) will be the first and LAST outing for the franchise on the PS3, leaving just FF.

    Basically, one franchise on the PS3 that will not appear on the Xbox, is hardly a compelling arguement

  • bad09 #57 4 years ago

    @ Dizzy

    "Damn. Stuff like that makes me want to pull him out of /ignore. I can use a good laugh :) But it will take more."

    You should do I have some fun with Headbog since taking him off ignore, he is a funny guy!

  • miiiguel #58 4 years ago

    Final Fantasy - first released in 1987
    Metal Gear Solid - first released 1998
    Legend of Zelda - first released 1986
    Halo - first released 2002

    I say Halo is doing impressively good. Gears of War should do even better

  • MBar #59 4 years ago

    I mean, both versions will have identical content on launch day, so they can't falsely advertise one as having more content than the other, can they?

    Just say "Exclusive additional content available."

    No lies in that and suitably ambiguous.

  • Ronster1975 #60 4 years ago

    As has been mentioned, more important than the DLC is how the game runs on 360 vs PS3. Any chance of Eurogamer doing a performance comparison of the two sooner rather than later?

  • BadBoyBonner #61 4 years ago

    Mechetazo

    Doesn't that assume that HOME would be a compelling experience? Hell if I got sent real trophies to my home by Sony for achievements I can't imagine getting to excited at all (unless of course they were made from real gold).

    Anyone who didn't like Sims will no doubt be less inclined to enjoy home.

    I think it will be interesting but not much more than that. I really can not see it drawing anybody in that wasn't (or hasn't) going to buy a PS3 already.
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 12:56

  • Velios #62 4 years ago

    I have a 360 and a PS3

    I have pre-ordered GTA4 for the 360, mainly because i believe the graphics will be superior on the 360 and because there will be downloadable content later on should I wish to get it.

    That said, I still think that this year will be a BIG year for PS3 because there are some fantastic games on thw way that will only be available to PS£, and the launch of HOME on PS3 will be a great competitor to XBOX LIVE.

    Interesting times

  • Moz #63 4 years ago

    @anomagnus it was more in reference to each francises possition in the poll. and yes it is just one poll, and they're could be trends in types of game and who votes on these things, but it's equally worth pointing out that this was a poll made onan american site where the 360 is domenent over the PS3 but could that all change once MGS and FF apear.

    And it being possibly the last MGS could send sales higher. But with all these things until GTA4, MGS4 and FFXIII are out and we have sales figures we wont know.

    Though given the sales figures of Halo 3 which came in 5th on the pole all of R*, Square and konami should be looking forward to some nice high sales figures.

  • cyacomini #64 4 years ago

    Aye, and yer ma's baws.

  • miiiguel #65 4 years ago

    With due respect, I think that poll is BS... where's Marioooooo ? SSB beat sales record and shit..., ppl are shy to admit they like it?

  • Darren #66 4 years ago

    If the PS3 version had been the one with exclusive content then how many of us multiformat console owners would have bought that version I wonder? Personally, I would still have bought the Xbox 360 version because I suspect that it'll run better and at least have some anti-aliasing!!! I also prefer its controller for these kinds of games too. ;)

  • mkreku #67 4 years ago

    No word on the PC version yet? That's the version I have my aim set for.

  • WinstonChurchill #68 4 years ago

    The "Console Wars" really are embarrassing for everyone involved. Everyone. Including you.

  • Retroid #69 4 years ago

    I find the whole approach of Sony to online and online content interesting.

    "People won't bother with DLC!"

    So, really, why are you pouring money into Home with all its capacity for DLC, then?

    It's like when they hadn't coughed up the cash for rumble in their controllers, so they went around calling it an unnecessary "last generation" technology. And then made a controller with rumble.

  • Moz #70 4 years ago

    @miiiguel,, A valid point, unfortunatly I missed the poll it's self to see what the options were. But another danger of these polls is often the true second place gets left out as it's everyones second place so never actually gets voted for! Asking people to submit their own top five and working it out from there works alot better

  • stepneg #71 4 years ago

    All comes down to the pricing, if it's reasonable then I will be getting it, if its over priced like Guitar Hero songs then I won't. As for which platform I will be getting the 360 version mainly because it will probably run better and the online on Live will piss all over the PS3\PSN version, the dlc is just a bonus.

    LOL @Headbog for trying to put a positive spin on this one, why not try a breakdown of the cost of a PS3 and 360 or a list of PS3 exclusives that won't be out for the next 2 years...

  • Redeye #72 4 years ago

    Shame there isn't an ignore function for PR fuckwits, regardless of what platform they're trying to trumpet.

  • Andy247 #73 4 years ago

    Are Gran Turismo and Metal Gear Solid the only games that the PS3 has this year? In fact scratch that, Gran Turismo proper isn't even out until next year. Why do Sony think these titles will destroy all competition?
    MGS isn't even half the game it claims to be, it's like a semi-inteactive cut-scene and Gran Turismo is an above average racer with great graphics but little else, it doesn't have proper vehicle deformation so it's loses out on "realism" right there.
    I have a PS3 gathering dust apart from when my wife hauls it out to play Singstar. Buzz is generating more excitment in my house than any other game Sony have lined up this year!
    Personally I'm not a huge fan of the GTA games and find that the latest trailer made the character animation quite poor, having said that, it's a barren time at the moment on both platforms so i'll probably end up getting it!

  • Darren #74 4 years ago

    Charm - "If the DLC were on PS3 he'd never say anything like that, true as it may be."

    That is true but I'm sure someone at Microsoft would have been saying the same thing as him against the PS3 version though because, you know, everyone wants to play games on the Xbox 360! ;)

  • bad09 #75 4 years ago

    @ Retroid

    "I find the whole approach of Sony to online and online content interesting.

    "People won't bother with DLC!"

    So, really, why are you pouring money into Home with all its capacity for DLC, then?

    It's like when they hadn't coughed up the cash for rumble in their controllers, so they went around calling it an unnecessary "last generation" technology. And then made a controller with rumble."

    Just like MS with "Blu-Ray won't matter because of downloads" or Wookie Harrison with "the DS is of little importance and a fad". A very true post and one all fanboys should burn into their brand loyalty blinded minds, they always knock what they don't have. :)

  • Madafunkola #76 4 years ago

    Sorry, but his arguement appears to be:
    "Our GTAIV will be betterer in the long run because of MGS4 and GT5!"
    Is this guy actually Apologie???!!!

  • Moz #77 4 years ago

    @redeye, we can all dream. but then if we didn't have these PR fuckwitts fighting with one another pointing out each others weaknesses make people think one another system is rubbish then the scales would tip one company would win by a land slide and we'd all being paying £700 plus for the next console (hell with no competition the victor may not bother with a new system for another 10 to 15 or more)

  • seasidebaz #78 4 years ago

    people keep forgetting, ms only have a couple of exclusive dlc packs. any released after that will inevitably be multiplatform.

    and i like the idea of unlocking things for home, although i am a geek like that. how cool would it be to bash through final fantasy and get an awesome chocobo statue for your living space in home? i think that would be wicked. and make me play more than just unlocking 50gamerpoints.

    and stop trying to compare versions. rockstar are hyping this so much and have so much on the line that if the ps3 version fails, i would imagine r* would go out of business. i grew up with gta on the playstation, and have always played it on playstation, as i would imagine most twentysomethings did in their teens. unless you were a little spotty weed who only got stuff on pc. gta's spiritual home is the playstation.

  • WillyWanka #79 4 years ago

    I'm still getting the 360 version

  • Darren #80 4 years ago

    @Andy247 - The PS3 also has Haze, Resistance 2 and possibly Killzone 2 among others so, no, GT5 Prologue and Metal Gear Solid 4 aren't the only exclusive games it has coming out this year. Besides which, what has the Xbox 360 got apart Gears of War 2 and Banjo-Kazooie 3? The fact is that about 85+% of the games to be released on the PS3 and Xbox 360 this year will be multiformat anyway!

  • Machetazo #81 4 years ago

    BadBoyBonner: Not really. I don't think it does carry that assumption, as HOME is just a big deal for Sony. (It's been designed to incorporate that tie-in with games, publishers, and such, it's not some concept quickly constructed for this particular game)

    We don't know how HOME is, really, courtesy of NDAs, binding those who have a better idea. Microsoft doesn't have a service of that style. Detractors might pull it apart as being a re-skinned LIVE, but LIVE across it's various revisions is years old. Hopefully, they'll have added some new dance styles, by launch though, as some of the stuff shown by those avatars previously, on stage, looked awkwardly wooden. :)

    I find The Sims (not played since version 1+exps, to clarify) to be the very epitome of tedium, but I agree with your position, on HOME, in that it could indeed be very interesting.
    Clearly, HOME's intended to be a platform, much like Xbox LIVE, that will grow, and progress over time - but I think it will be one, with which its community feels a stronger attachment to, and involvement in.

  • bad09 #82 4 years ago

    " rockstar are hyping this so much and have so much on the line that if the ps3 version fails, i would imagine r* would go out of business"

    Yeah, 'cos there's no money in 360, is there? Besides, it's GTA it will not fail (or disappoint) on either platform .

  • monkie_king #83 4 years ago

    "Or it could suggest that Playstation loyalist are the most likely people to vote in any online poll."

    Quite possible ... it's not like they've anything better to do.

  • Moz #84 4 years ago

    it's GTA it will not fail (or disappoint) on either platform . which is very true it's a very strong brand, it could turn out to be utter shite, but so money people will get it on pre-order before having has a chance to know it's rubbish that that wont matter. You just have to look Halo 3.

    edit:/ kudos monkie_king for nicely worded burn.
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 13:25

  • SleazyDragon #85 4 years ago

    It's not about which console is better, it’s about which version of the game delivers a better experience. Personally I have both consoles and I'm going with the 360. This is a direct result of the Episodic DLC.

    What I found while playing previous GTA games was that after the story was complete, there was no point in going around getting all the bonus objectives/Side Missions (Trick Jumps, Balloons whatever). Now with the extra DLC, I will be more inclined to finish those side missions too. As far as I can see, from a pure content side, the 360 is the way to go. Sure it might cost you a bit more but I'm prepared to pay.

    If the PS3 had DLC and 360 didn't I'd go with the PS3. Simple as that.

  • Dizzy #86 4 years ago

    "Besides which, what has the Xbox 360 got apart Gears of War 2 and Banjo-Kazooie 3?"

    Plllllease.

    Ninja Gaiden 2, Too Human, Fable 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, All Points Bulletin, Left4Dead, Halo Wars,... (not even mentioning XBLA or that Namco JRPG)

    I know you are now going to reply with "none of those interest me". But don't ask next time ok?
    Edited by 3 at 31/03/08 @ 13:26

  • Moz #87 4 years ago

    Something i've just realise is that people keep saying I have both systems and i'm getting it on system Y, but surely that's fairly irelevant MS or Sony could give 2 hoots about you you've already bought their hardware, this about people who are making their hardware choice based on GTA

  • Les #88 4 years ago

    "The fact is that about 85+% of the games to be released on the PS3 and Xbox 360 this year will be multiformat anyway!"

    Which makes it rather easy to pick the best from among the remaining 15% (though personally I believe the total share of exclusives is within the 0-5% range)... ;) Multi-platform is garbage and serves none of the platforms well.

  • anomagnus #89 4 years ago

    Put simply, nothing on the PS3 has impressed me so far.

    Any good title is already available either on the Xbox or the PC.

    Sony has simply not done a good enough job of securing top notch titles to attract me at all.

    MGS might be good, but not good enough to buy a PS3 for.

    As for home, the thought of one MORE social networking utility breaks my heart.

  • bad09 #90 4 years ago

    @ Moz

    Very true, but if MS are smart and really shout about the extra episodes coming next year then that may (I say may) be enough to sway people, remember a lot of people got PS2/PSP just to play the GTA games and personally I do not see that changing this time. Which is exactly why this Sony suit is trying to play DLC down.

  • seasidebaz #91 4 years ago

    @bad09:

    the 360 version will make money. but not enough to recuperate the losses from the ps3 if it were to fail. therefore in order to make sure that neither version fails, they will both be identical. it can be done, take a look at oblivion and burnout for proof.

    fortunately for r*, they always use middleware. therefore, identical games across both platforms.

    r* have a lot riding on this one game. if it fails on either platform, take2 will almost definitely accept an acquisition deal from ea in order to cut losses from stock price falling. in which case, no more take2. and then gta will become another once-great franchise, relegated to endless dlc. i can see it now, "hello this is niko. i need the armour for horse. i pay you 800 points." all seamlessly integrated with the in-game mobile phone ;)

  • BarcaAzul #92 4 years ago

    From what I have heard about the DLC, extra missions and so on, its does not sound so appealing, like the new CoD maps. If I have to spend money, I expect to get something new and worthwhile, not just an extra mission or map or so.

  • liverpoolfc #93 4 years ago

    Played gta since playstation 1. Playing gta on playstation has a different feeling.

  • asphaltcowboy #94 4 years ago

    Sony in "pushing people off fences" shocker!

  • bad09 #95 4 years ago

    @ seasidebaz

    I kind of see what you are saying but dude, to fail on either platform?.......IT'S A GRAND THEFT AUTO GAME IT CAN'T FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://en .wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft...

  • lennon #96 4 years ago

    To be honest the PS3 has a long way to go to convince me anything but top exclusives are worth getting on the system. Especially after being less than impressed with GT5p.

    I would have bought the 360 version anyway but the DLC just seals it for me.

  • homerramone #97 4 years ago

    If we cant have it, we dont want it ! :-)

  • gmmonkey #98 4 years ago

    I probably wont get the dlc. But, I like the option and so will probably other people. Hence, probably better sales on the 360. I still dont see enough exclusives on the ps3 to merit a purchase yet. Maybe once gt5 (not gay prologue), mgs and ff come out, I'll consider it.

  • DjFlex52 #99 4 years ago

    Well, if the DLC on 360 is even slightly on par with Oblivion's Knights Of the Nine or Shivering Isles then it WILL make a difference.
    Oblivion had over 100 hours of gaming and people still bought those 2 DLCs because they added alot to the game.

  • CobraN #100 4 years ago

    OK, my views:

    I only have a 360, I cannot justify the cost of a PS3 yet as there is nothing exclusive to the system I would actually want to play.

    MGS as a series lost my interest after 2, #1 was awesome. Gran Turismo lost me at #3, it just started getting very sterilised and boring, it really lost the fun factor that #1 seemed to have. FF, only version I played was VII cos of the hype. I didn't get off the first disk.

    I was very anti-xbox when I had a PS2, but it has impressed me and the Live service too, so I went with the 360 and have loved every moment I've had it.

    As for GTAIV, both systems will do well, the DLC WILL matter to some, not to others. Personally the DLC is no big thing so far, but it depends on what you get, it could be awsome and that kind of anticipation, (like the one around PS2 that killed Dreamcast) is MS's main weapon. Finally I way prefer the Xbox controller layout, Sony should have adapted the PS pad, at least swap the D pad with one of the sticks at least.

    Sony are thier worst enemy, you cannot trust anything they say as they change thier opinion so many times to suit the moment, the rumble debacle and thier lack of respect for Europe (is the duel shock out yet here - no) show this kind of attitude.

    (sorry for the long post!)
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 14:03

  • bad09 #101 4 years ago

    @ CobraN

    Wow, are you me??? I always said great minds think alike! :)

  • penhalion #102 4 years ago

    I only have one thing to say to those who think people don't buy downloadable content.

    Horse Armour!

  • Darren #103 4 years ago

    @Dizzy - So you agree that the Xbox 360 has a number of exclusives just like the PS3 and both are dominated by multiformat games. 80% of the games I buy are multiformat, in fact. The Xbox 360 doesn't have the monopoly on exclusive games is basically what I'm saying, I wasn't implying that the PS3 is the better console because of the ones it has (that's the impression I got from the tone of your reply anyway). I own a PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii for those exclusives so it's of no concern to me which has more as I won't be able to play them on the other formats anyway.

  • Les #104 4 years ago

    "IT'S A GRAND THEFT AUTO GAME IT CAN'T FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    Commonly accepted believes like this are what turned 360 and PS3 (as a games machine) into commercial failures... The current video game arena is completely different from when GTA III hit the market. It will sell to those who already have a PS3 or 360 and it might even push a few additional PS3s. But it will do nothing to threaten the Wii.

  • lennon #105 4 years ago

    @CobraN - Interesting you used the word sterilised about GT. I said exactly the same thing to the bloke behind the counter at gamestation when I took GT5p back yesterday and he looked like I had crapped in his shoe :)

  • dsmx #106 4 years ago

    If the DLC actually came out when GTA4 was released then it probably would have some effect but the fact it's coming out months after release when most people will of moved on from GTA4 I would tend to agree with sony on this one.

  • Les #107 4 years ago

    'I only have one thing to say to those who think people don't buy downloadable content.

    Horse Armour!"

    Don't think MS is hoping the DLC will just attract the geeks that love games like Oblivion... They wanted it to push 360s and earn some money on selling the DLC of course. They'll not succeed in the first, they'll definitely succeed in the latter.

  • drumbaby #108 4 years ago

    "Anyway, if it didn't have any importance, Sony man wouldn't talk about it. "

    Same with Blu-Ray and Msoft man, right? Blu-Ray must be hugely important, or Msoft would just let it be...but they don't/ won't/ can't.

  • SlackMaster #109 4 years ago

    I think the most important factor here is price...

    If you've been sitting on the fence, don't have a next gen console and want GTA4, spending £350 or £210 on a console with a game is a big difference. That's considering the game will cost max £49.99 on both console and getting the minimum spec console for your money.

    The mainstream who brought into GTA3 when it was on PS3 don't care about HDD's or necessarily Blu-Ray, price is the most important factor and because of this MS has the biggest advantage. If the uptake of GTA proves to get the undecided to buy into the next gen it could well be MS that attracts the most from the launch of GTA4.

  • DjFlex52 #110 4 years ago

    Commonly accepted believes like this are what turned 360 and PS3 (as a games machine) into commercial failures...

    @Les

    And when was it that the PS3 and 360 were deemed commercial failures at this early stage or is it just by your standards?

  • penhalion #111 4 years ago

    @headbog

    The tropies need you to invite people to view them at your sad virtual home. The problem is that those same people will be trying to invite you over to view their etch..er trophies too. Call me insane but, simply looking at my friends profile to see what he's managed to do in a game before me seems so much more sensible.

    When is home out by the way?

  • bad09 #112 4 years ago

    Les you love the Wii!!

    Look man I like the Wii (although like PSP it's not used to it's full potential IMO) but come on it's for a different market. I 'm not saying Ninty doesn't have hardcore gamers but Ninty lost the gamers market with N64 and Gamcube, Sony slapped 'em good which is exactly why they went in this new direction and good luck to them (although as a Mario fan I thought Galaxy Stunk!).

    Like Pong, Mario, Sonic, WiiSports, Wipeout etc. GTA is a franchise that attracts people, it will sell consoles both 360 and PS3.

  • Les #113 4 years ago

    "The mainstream who brought into GTA3 when it was on PS3 don't care about HDD's or necessarily Blu-Ray, price is the most important factor and because of this MS has the biggest advantage."

    No, it's all about the strength of the brand. And the niggling feeling that one day that Blu-Ray might come in handy. But I doubt that GTA IV will move many PS3s. It's just so last gen. People have ran over enough prostitutes by now, time for something new.

  • DjFlex52 #114 4 years ago

    No, it's all about the strength of the brand. And the niggling feeling that one day that Blu-Ray might come in handy. But I doubt that GTA IV will move many PS3s. It's just so last gen. People have ran over enough prostitutes by now, time for something new.

    @Les

    Maybe I should try that in GTAIV since I'd never done it in GTA III, Vice City or in SA. Who just ran over prostitutes in the GTAIII games? 12 year olds? Is that what you think the gameplay of the GTA games is? You're so last gen, Les, just like the Wii :)

  • CobraN #115 4 years ago

    I don't know enough about home, but it strikes me the free roam multiplayer in GTAIV may end up as popular as Home for friends to hang around in, even on PS3.

    I've seen bowling on Home, but GTAIV has darts, pool, clubs and of course just general driving around and causing mayhem.

    Comments?


    "The difference between the Home extras and the DLC is that they Home extra are free - and no different to gamerscores....

    except they are useable for something other than penis waving. "

    Um, a trophy in your home IS penis waving surely? And I'd rather pay for some playable DLC missions than get a free trophy for a virtual home. But as Sims and gamerscores show, some people do love that stuff.
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 14:23

  • McLovin85 #116 4 years ago

    I'm a PS3 owner and as much as i would like the DLC content there are a number of factors that end up making me not too bothered about it right now.

    1. I have no idea what the DLC content will contain so i can't get excited about it
    2. The cost of the DLC content is also unconfirmed
    3. GTA games are usually plenty long anyway so buying DLC content probably won't be justifiable

    Also, playing GTA multiplayer cost-free is another plus for PS3 owners.

  • bad09 #117 4 years ago

    @ DjFlex52

    "Maybe I should try that in GTAIV since I'd never done it in GTA III, Vice City or in SA. Who just ran over prostitutes in the GTAIII games? 12 year olds?"

    You little liar, you know you did at least once, I bet you slept with her first, didn't you? Evil scum! ;)

  • DjFlex52 #118 4 years ago

    Sometimes I really wonder if you're on Sony's payroll, headbog.
    It's not even about games with you anymore....it's about brand name and Blu-Ray.

    edit:
    You little liar, you know you did at least once, I bet you slept with her first, didn't you? Evil scum! ;)

    @bad09

    ok, maybe once or twice....but it wasnt intentional ;)
    the devil made me do it...lol...err..sleep with her, i mean.
    Edited by 2 at 31/03/08 @ 14:36

  • seasidebaz #119 4 years ago

    i like how they go on about "exclusive dlc"

    it's only a couple of exclusive episodes! there's nothing to stop different ones appearing on the ps3!!

    plus i have yet to actually finish a gta game, i get bored long before the end. so dlc is of no use to me.

    but bring on the multiplayer ;)

  • bad09 #120 4 years ago

    @ headbog

    "..defending the PS3.

    Eurogamer is an XBOT warren"

    There is defending and falling on the sword! XBOT warren? you're here?

  • DjFlex52 #121 4 years ago

    yeah, standard response no2 from XBOTS - 'Are you on Sony payroll' - to anyone defending the PS3.

    Eurogamer is an XBOT warren.

    @headbog

    And what's your standard response?...if you bought a 360 you're deemed an XBOT no matter how many other consoles you possess. If you say anything good about a 360 you're deemed an XBOT because the PS3>360.

    You're a fucking joke, you know, headbog.

    edit: You cant even find a post where I've put down the PS3. What I DO put down are jerks like you who judge people because they like games and consoles you don't.
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 15:12

  • Les #122 4 years ago

    "Les you love the Wii!!"

    No I don't. The market loves the Wii. I think rarely a fight for second place has received as much attention as the one between PS3 and 360. PS3 did its work in establishing Blu-Ray as the HD movie format, 360 did it's work in tying the hardcore even stronger to the brand. But both are very likely to fail (commercially) as games machines (from the perspective of their platform holders before someone brings up the argument that the publisher of CoD4 sure did make a lot of money).

  • adamamosa #123 4 years ago

    SONY EXEC IN MICROSOFT PUT-DOWN SHOCK!!!

  • agparrot #124 4 years ago

    @CobraN

    "I don't know enough about home, but it strikes me the free roam multiplayer in GTAIV may end up as popular as Home for friends to hang around in, even on PS3.

    I've seen bowling on Home, but GTAIV has darts, pool, clubs and of course just general driving around and causing mayhem.

    Comments?     "

    I have to say that this is an excellent point, and one that some of us have already been discussing during Burnout Paradise sessions. Not so much the 'Home' part, but certainly the capacity to just chill out with some online buddies in an environment which lets you chat, perhaps play some minigames, rack up some high scores, explore the game world, beat grannies with baseball bats and so on.

    Put against the context of 'Home', it almost seems like a competitor. I'm guessing 'Home' will also have lots of other features, but for this particular socialising aspect, Liberty City might be a more fun place to hang out than Home.

    Hell, Paradise City is a good laugh with a suitable bunch of buddies, and you can't even get out of the car, there.

  • Thalanos #125 4 years ago

    "If the DLC actually came out when GTA4 was released then it probably would have some effect but the fact it's coming out months after release when most people will of moved on from GTA4..."

    @dsmx - If the DLC was ready at exactly the same time as the game, I think it would have an enormous effect. Not a good one. But that's a whole different discussion :p

  • des #126 4 years ago

    Sony PR=lol,but then again "poor" man has to earn his paycheck

  • bad09 #127 4 years ago

    @ Les

    Wii is first place for people who want WiiSports (you've said that yourself). The concept is good the hardware is sound but the software is lacking (n64? Gamecube?). Sure this gen the hardware has shifted but their software is still truly lacking in my opinion as a gamer, and I have one kind of. I got it for my girlfriend rather than me, and guess what she is also bored with it and wants to trade it for a 360. Don't get me wrong the concept of Wii is good which is why people are buying but the reality (for me anyway) is mediocre drivel to play on it (although as a ninty fan I have high hopes for Mario Kart).
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 15:28

  • Les #128 4 years ago

    "Don't get me wrong the concept of Wii is good which is why people are buying but the reality (for me anyway) is mediocre drivel to play on it (although as a ninty fan I have high hopes for Mario Kart)."

    The content doesn't really suit my tastes so far either. But given its huge success I don't doubt the content will follow. Let's not forget that publishers didn't have high expectations of its chances in the market and focussed on 360/PS3 initially. Unlike n64 and GC this time the Nintendo console is the market leader. 3rd parties can't just ignore it (unless they aren't in it for the money).

  • Garulon #129 4 years ago

    " People have ran over enough prostitutes by now, time for something new."

    But in PLAYSTATION HOME you can invite the prostitute to your PLAYSTATION HOME where you and your chav friends can dance in front of her decaying corpse!

    My favourite sour grapes line:

    "So while I do think having that brand on their system was a move for them which they felt they needed to make because they cut a big cheque for it"

    As opposed to Sony, who pulled R* employees out of a burning car or did the dishes or sucked them off for their platform exclusivity, I imagine.

  • Anhunedd #130 4 years ago

    From the pre-order charts in MCV (trade magazine) based on Amazon's figures:

    14/3/08 - PS3 GTA IV ahead of 360.
    21/3/08 - PS3 GTA IV ahead of 360.
    28/3/08 - PS3 GTA IV ahead of 360.

    Live figure on Amazon checked just now (31/03/08) - PS3 GTA IV ahead of 360.

    Now, that could just mean everyone is buying it in HMV or Game on 360 due to the bonus points, or it could just mean that PS3 people are more likely to pre-order. I don't know. The charts on the Monday after will be the only sure fire way to find out which one sold more. But it nonetheless makes interesting reading.

    Me? I own both consoles and will order on PS3. I will be playing this game a lot, and I know I won't be able to stand the noise of the disc spinning in my 360 for that length of time. I imagine that the game will probably be much the same on either one to be honest.

  • GamesConnoisseur #131 4 years ago

    PS3 have great titles coming this year and will do better in 2008 than 'could do better' that was for 2007, however like some I already plan to get GTAIV for 360 due to controller and AA, and more proven console at multi platform games. DLC is just a bonus that I may will use later this year and cannot just dimiss that there will be business sense in doing so for Rockstar!

    Most people would not be aware of the extra bonus of DLC being available at cost, and we waste time debating about it when we yet to know the result of sales of both version, and HOW they will ACTUALLY performs.

    Roll on head to head test!

    GTA4 on X360 for me unless proven beyond doubt that PS3 version is superior and complete one.

  • DjFlex52 #132 4 years ago

    Me? I own both consoles and will order on PS3. I will be playing this game a lot, and I know I won't be able to stand the noise of the disc spinning in my 360 for that length of time. I imagine that the game will probably be much the same on either one to be honest.

    @Anhunedd

    Huh...why do people keep harping on this drive noise BS? Are you going to play GTAIV with the volume down? How will you hear the soundtrack while you're driving or walking with your cellphone then ;)

  • WinterSnowblind #133 4 years ago

    It's the 360 version for me, mainly because for the ease of custom soundtracks, but the DLC definatly plays a large pack. Even if it is only a few new missions, which seems rather unlikely considering it cost them over fifty million dollars, then it's still new content. Having more to do in a game like this is always welcome. And if we're talking new areas, vehicles, clothes and weapons then we're talking about content that's going to greatly boost the replay value of the game.

    I for one wil admit that if this content were for the PS3, it's that version I would be buying. And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.

    @Headbog
    "The difference between the Home extras and the DLC is that they Home extra are free - and no different to gamerscores.... "

    I'm confused by what you mean here. Buying furniture and clothes, etc for Home is not going to be free, and although you will get trophies to decorate your room, I fail to see how that's any different from achievements. Achievements are also earned for free. I like achievements so I can measure my progress in a game, they're like an award or badge of honour for completing certain feats. I could care less what anyone else thinks about them, I merely use them for my own personal sake. Trophies for Home on the other hand seem purely for showing off, but either way I can't see how you can critisise achievements, but praise Home.

    If you constantly what to bash Xbox fanboys, I can understand that, nobody likes fanboys. But you've just shown time and time again that you yourself are a Playstation fanboy. You're no better than these "Xbots" you hate so much.
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 16:35

  • Amoebalove #134 4 years ago

    @headbog

    You’re a cock!!!!

  • Anhunedd #135 4 years ago

    Believe you me, it is no bullshit. With the fans on alone, say playing a XBLA title, my 360 is a bit louder than my media PC - an ageing Shuttle XPC. Which means I have to notch the sound up one or two blips on my TV. Not too bad, but tolerable.

    Fire up a disc in it and I literally have to put the volume of my TV up by around 50% to cover it up. Seriously. Which late at night with kids asleep is not practical.

    As I understand it, some units are quieter, which explains why some people think we are making this up. Mine is an Elite and it is still one of the noisy ones.

    I work in dev, and I am surrounded by an overclocked fan cooled PC, a Wii devkit, a PS3 devkit and a 360 devkit. The 360 will easily drown out the noise of all the rest put together, and that is without the drive running.

    One day I'm going to find a decibel monitor to quantify this.

  • CobraN #136 4 years ago

    One point I'd like to mention, if DLC for one of the biggest games this year is irrelevant, does that mean Sony view all DLC as irrelevant and won't be producing any?

  • DjFlex52 #137 4 years ago

    Believe you me, it is no bullshit. With the fans on alone, say playing a XBLA title, my 360 is a bit louder than my media PC - an ageing Shuttle XPC. Which means I have to notch the sound up one or two blips on my TV. Not too bad, but tolerable.
    Fire up a disc in it and I literally have to put the volume of my TV up by around 50% to cover it up. Seriously. Which late at night with kids asleep is not practical.

    @Anhunedd

    Again...huh?? Are you playing the 360 with the console connected to your hip like an iPod and your TV 2 feet away from you? You did say you play your 360 connected to a TV. A wireless controller, with any 360 game at normal speaker volumes, while i'm on my couch at a normal distance and I dont hear all this noise. I have an Elite and I do admit that the drive can be noisy on occasion but not the distraction you make it out to be. And I don't hear fans while playing an xbla game unless I turn off the volume. I think you should see a doctor for your problem :)
    And if you are playing late at night with kids asleep you should be using headphones anyway. Who wants to play a game quietly?



  • DjFlex52 #138 4 years ago

    DjFlex52:
    Epitome of an XBOT - wont admit the flaws in the XBOX are there and laughingly oints out the flaws in a Ps3.

    @headbog

    Did you read even my post, dickheadbog? Or just glanced at snippets?
    I admitted the drive was noisy but 18 million others also think it's not the big deal that Sonycocks like you make it out to be.
    Have you ever admitted ANYTHING about the PS3 as a flaw?
    My only problem with PS3 is I want more than a few good games before I buy it because I dont need a console just for its brand name and I don't need a BD movie player. I have problems with MS but it has games, games and more games which is why I buy a game console.

  • Xerx3s #139 4 years ago

    Meanwhile somewhere in another universe where sony has exclusive DLC:

    PR Muppet: Z0MG! DLC = t3h future!
    /wipes nose with tentacle

  • Les #140 4 years ago

    "One point I'd like to mention, if DLC for one of the biggest games this year is irrelevant, does that mean Sony view all DLC as irrelevant and won't be producing any?"

    I hope you're joking and not really stupid... But in case you are: They're saying DLC is virtually irrelevant for pushing more 360 copies than PS3 ones of GTA IV. That's something completely different from saying DLC is irrelevant in general. I personally believe it's irrelevant to the initial selling of a game but it's a nice way to sustain interest in a franchise till the next instalment (if DLC is free) or an additional revenue stream (if DLC is sold). For MS to earn back the 50m they'll have to sell it at a nice price because they can't be serious in expecting it to shift a significant number of additional consoles.

  • penguin_overlord #141 4 years ago

    Although this was an unnecessary comment from Sony, I think it's fairly accurate. The number of exclusive PS3 games out this year far outweighs any advantage DLC GTA4 content will give to the 360.

  • DjFlex52 #142 4 years ago

    Although this was an unnecessary comment from Sony, I think it's fairly accurate. The number of exclusive PS3 games out this year far outweighs any advantage DLC GTA4 content will give to the 360.

    @penguin_overlord

    "...Far outweighs"? I can only assume you're excluding the number of exclusive 360 games out this year added to the extra 360 DLC GTA4 content, right?
    Edited by 1 at 31/03/08 @ 21:12

  • Whatsfor #143 4 years ago

    Does illiteracy and Xbox owning always go hand in hand? I must have spotted at least 300 spelling mistakes in the past posts, and that was without trying to spot them. Find myself getting closer to being a PS3 fanboy now for this reason alone!!!

  • DjFlex52 #144 4 years ago

    Does illiteracy and Xbox owning always go hand in hand? I must have spotted at least 300 spelling mistakes in the past posts, and that was without trying to spot them. Find myself getting closer to being a PS3 fanboy now for this reason alone!!!

    @Whatsfor

    "xbox owning"...try saying "owning an Xbox" 10 times and maybe you can get your grammar in shape ;)

  • penguin_overlord #145 4 years ago

    @DjFlex52

    What exclusive 360 games? What good ones anyway? The PS3 is where it's happening this year.

  • RazorObsession #146 4 years ago

    I like to picture Headbog in a clowns outfit with a funny car whose doors fall off, and really really big shoes.

    That way, everything he says and does makes sense.

  • WinterSnowblind #147 4 years ago

    @penguin_overlord

    I think both consoles have very strong line ups,the 360 certainly has some big things coming this year. Halo Wars, Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Splinter Cell 5, Banjo Kazooie, sequels to Mass Effect and Jade Empire, Tales of Vesperia.. Not to mention things like Lost Odyssey which have already been released. MGS4 and FFXIII are arguably bigger hitters but the 360 still has an undeniably strong line up this year.

  • BartonFink #148 4 years ago

    Woah this one is really full of tard and fanboy. lol @Les - you are joking about 360 and PS3 being commercial failures right?

  • smoothn00dle #149 4 years ago

    Scott Steinberg, this guy is good. I read his interview with GamesIndustry.biz few months ago, blow me away. He knows what he is talking about despite his marketing background. His analysis is way there with Pachter. Is he Sony's executive in strategic marketing on US? If that is true, M$ is facing a major challenge at US front.

    @WinterSnowblind
    I think Halo Wars is going to be a disaster as a console game. After EA takeout, Mass Effect 2 and Jade Empire 2 are very unlikely stay 360 exclusives, same as Splinter cell 5 for different reasons. Banjo Kazooie from developer Rare after M$ took over, many talent s left, I don't know what Banjo Kazooie will be like. Base on the above reasons, I believe 360 has weaker line up then PS3.

    PC is even worst.

  • GitSomE_UK #150 4 years ago

    I've been playing GTA since it first came out on PC. I have both consoles and I will be buying both special editions the one that plays the best is the one I keep. I'll either flog or hoard the other as a collectors thing.

    BTW DLC I couldn't give a flying monkey about.

  • WinterSnowblind #151 4 years ago

    I think Command and Conquer and Battle for Middle Earth proved that RTS games can work very well on consoles, and what we've seen of Halo Wars so far looks fantastic. They've refined the controls even more, adding in a "paint brush" mechanic for selecting units, plus it's based on an excellent universe. Halo has thousands of great vehicles, armaments and races that are perfectly suited to this type of game. Seeing all of those little warthogs going around, handling exactly like they do in main games looks like a lot of fun. Plus I have great faith in Ensemble Studios.

    Mass Effect 2 is being published by Microsoft, so there's no worry about that going anywhere, but I will agree that Jade Empire 2 is a little more up in the air. Chances are it's been in development for a while and Microsoft are again publishing, but it's true we don't know. But you could also argue that EA won't necessarily have the game ported to everything, as unlikely as that may be. ;)

    As for Banjo, the last thing we need is another Rare discussion, but in my opinion their last few games have been just as good as anything they've released in years past, I have no doubt Banjo will be just as good. And of course, the same argument and can be used in reverse. Aside from MGS4 and FFXIII the Playstation doesn't really have any sure fire hitters this year. Killzone 2, a sequel to a subpar PS2 game? We've seen some pretty CG scenes, sure, but I can't say I'm excited. Then there's things like White Knights Chronicles, that are completely new IP's and could end up being the next Final Fantasy but could very easily go the way of Lair, which was hyped up to be a killer app, and well. Yeah.

    P.S.
    The use of the dollar sign inplace of the S in Microsoft is an extremely bad joke, and only serves to prove your bias. Sure, Microsoft are out there to make money, but you don't think the same is also true of Nintendoh and $ony? ;)

  • DjFlex52 #152 4 years ago

    What exclusive 360 games? What good ones anyway? The PS3 is where it's happening this year.

    @penguin_overlord

    Besides the games WinterSnowblind mentioned (Halo Wars, Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Splinter Cell & Banjo), there are more than a half a dozen more AAA titles....Too Human (this game is going to surprise alot of people), Gears Of War 2, Sacred 2, APB, Alan Wake, Left 4 Dead, Lost Planet 2 & Supreme Commander...plus the GTAIV extra DLC episodes.

    The PS3 has quite a few great titles coming in 2008 but it doesn't "far outweigh" the 360 exclusive list. Both consoles are relying on some games that are "hopefuls". For instance, we haven't seen a peep of Killzone 2 or Alan Wake or their gameplay since E3 2007. So who knows how they'll turn out.

  • Les #153 4 years ago

    "lol @Les - you are joking about 360 and PS3 being commercial failures right?"

    No. 360 hasn't earned MS any money yet and with sales already dropping, it's doubtful it ever will. PS3 isn't doing much better as a games machine (the distinction I made). Maybe still part of Sony's PS2/PS3 masterplan but it will have to sell in bigger numbers soon, just like MS's machine. It might be however that for Sony the PS3 project can already be considered successful because it won them the HD format war. But that has little to do with games.

  • Amon_Amarth #154 4 years ago

    I dont want extra epizodes thats why i'm gettin PS3, be playing gta 3 and the rest on PS2. Beware extra epizodes will ruin the game story

  • WinterSnowblind #155 4 years ago

    You're kidding right? How can you claim the new episodes will ruin a story we know nothing about? Plus if it adds in new vehicles, weapons and areas that will be enough for most people to buy it I'm sure. Ignore the new story elements, but enjoy the new cars and so forth.

    You're also aware that you could play all the GTA games (3 and after) on the Xbox as well? I'm not saying you shouldn't get if for the PS3, but those seem like pretty weak reasons. If you own both, I really don't understand why you wouldn't go for the version with more content.. It would be like buying Ninja Gaiden Black, when you can get Sigma?

  • CobraN #156 4 years ago

    @ Les

    "One point I'd like to mention, if DLC for one of the biggest games this year is irrelevant, does that mean Sony view all DLC as irrelevant and won't be producing any?"

    I hope you're joking and not really stupid... But in case you are: They're saying DLC is virtually irrelevant for pushing more 360 copies than PS3 ones of GTA IV. That's something completely different from saying DLC is irrelevant in general. I personally believe it's irrelevant to the initial selling of a game but it's a nice way to sustain interest in a franchise till the next instalment (if DLC is free) or an additional revenue stream (if DLC is sold). For MS to earn back the 50m they'll have to sell it at a nice price because they can't be serious in expecting it to shift a significant number of additional consoles.


    What? The Sony guy reckons it irrelevant as most people won't download content. But all thier DLC is great and makes thier games better?

  • Mr_Brown #157 4 years ago

    ...But it is important if you want it. You just buy the Xbox 360 version if thats the case. Its only important if you want it.

    But Sony PR are hardily going to say that, even if its the truth.