Sony 3D TV buyers get free games in June
3D PS3 firmware to precede HX803 launch.
Sony has announced that people buying its new Bravia HX803 3D TV in June will receive a PSN voucher entitling them to four 3D versions of PS3 games.
The PS3 will receive a 3D compatibility firmware update before the launch of the new Bravia, and then a further firmware update to support 3D Blu-ray playback will follow before the end of 2010.
The four games will be free to anyone forking out for one of the TVs, and they are WipEout HD, MotorStorm: Pacific Rift, PAIN and Super Stardust HD.
WipEout HD is the full game, apparently, but doesn't include the Fury add-on; MotorStorm is a single-level 3D demo, PAIN will be three episodes plus the tutorial; and Super Stardust HD is the full game not including DLC.
There's no word on whether the games will be sold separately to non-Bravia 3D users, but we've asked Sony to clarify.
The new HX803 series TVs offer 1080p HD 3D support and boast proprietary features like High Speed Precision (minimises interference between left and right eye images), LED Boost (increases brightness) and 3D Up Conversion (the equivalent of DVD upscaling for the 3D era - taking 2D images and adding depth where possible).
Sony's 3D technology uses active shutter glasses, which open and close shutters so that your eyes see alternating images to create the impression of 3D.
The glasses have a battery life of "approximately 100 hours" and will be available in special sizes for children and animals, possibly.
Apparently you can pre-order the new TVs from Sony.co.uk, but we can't find any reference to them there so good luck.
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Oh yeah, i can't afford the tv any way
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3D TV will be considered for me at least over a year from now at half price and better tech specs by then and that is IF 3D tvs stay around by then when the hype is all gone.
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Plasma is a cheaper tech and also has it's downsides in comparison to LED - so "better" depends on your circumstance.
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Only the 903 range is 3D out of the box.
Sexy pieces of hardware those with their "monolithic" designs.
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It has echoes of Virtual Reality, but the difference here is that big manufacturers are pushing it and it has had some big successes at the cinema too.
The manufacturers have a big interest in it being a success mind, so it balances a little.
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Doubt I'd actually buy one untill it's a bit cheaper and you don't need those silly glasses... I don't even have my current HDTV for a full year yet.
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3D shutter glasses would work as standard on pretty much every tv set being sold a couple decades ago (same as the light gun). The shutter glasses tech now is barely evolved from what was available on the Sega Master System.
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Think I'll wait until these things hit the market and then visit a Sony Centre or somewhere to see a display model in action for myself, the glasses problem might not be as bad as I thought.
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Regardless 2.5k is out of my price range.
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"It makes me laugh that you now have to buy a new tv if you want 3D."
Even if the shutter tech hasn't evolved, the reason you need a new TV is because most TVs just don't have a good enough refresh rate. I don't know what the standard is/will be for marking a TV "3D ready", but it'll probably just be a minimum of 120Hz refresh rate.
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The problem of course is HD uptake, let alone 3d uptake. I read on digital foundry I think that only about 40% of 360 owners had a HDTV to go with it. I think we need to slow down and let the mass market catch up to geeks like us before making them upgrade again to 3d.
Another problem of course is, is this going to be the standard for achieving 3d? Or are loads of companies going to come up with their own unique solutions, and leaving early adopters having to buy new hardware?
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Cunts!
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There is no too early. People will always moan that they don't need a new TV. You don't get content untill you have a userbase, and you don't get a userbase till you have content. Its never an easy introduction.
If it is true you can simply buy the glasses and a decoding box for any 120Hz telly, then that will massively help the the introduction of 3D. After all, people spend so much money on gadgets such as PlayTV/Console cameras/Guitars etc, that this'll be a drop in the ocean.
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Like many people though, I do feel the whole 3D experience whether at the cinema or possibly now at home is totally overrated so no having a 3D is not a priority.
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I can't wait for 3D to die on its arse. HD was an upgrade I was willing to do. No way will I be tempted into a more pointless TV upgrade within 5 years!
I must say though, the 3D football on Sky's 3D advert that's in 3D cinemas at the moment is quite nice. Even though it looks like a bunch of 2D cut outs floating on the surface. I can't even afford Sky though, let alone Sky 3D HD + !
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[link url=http://www.currys. co.uk/gbuk/panasonic-viera-tx-p42g20b-42-full-hd-plasma-tv-0 4853532-pdt.html
]http://ww w.currys.co.uk/gbuk/panasonic-v...[/link]
Thats it in the link above, scroll down for full tech specs, most notable though in this instance is the 600hz refresh rate.
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Until 3D technology, without any glasses or extras, is available at a decent price then uptake will be slow. For me, I don't want to have to put on special glasses to watch TV, and that's just how it is.
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1. How much do extra pairs of active-shutter glasses cost?
2. Isn't 3D Ready, inevitably going to be followed in 2 years' time by True 3D?
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Many people can't even see a big enough difference to upgrade to a HD tv from a SD. Don't believe me? Then why does 1 in 10 of the population of the UK think they are watching HDTV when they aren't? If the difference was that obvious surely they would know? (source - http://ww w.bva.org.uk/news-press-release... )
To me 3D would be a better reason to upgrade my TV than HD and it will be a hell of a lot easier for shops to sell as it has an instant wow factor and is completely different to anything a lot of people have seen before.
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Im deaf in one ear. I think it's DISGUSTING that games makers make games in stereo because i cant personally hear any benefits to it.
it's about time they STOPPED this stereo GIMMICK and did EVERYTHING in mono!
(or dumb words to that effect which sum up some of the REALLY dumb-ass posts on this topic)
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I think 3D is the future of gaming.
BUT! WipEout HD only does 30fps per second and yes, this looks terrible in comparison with the full speed version. I don't want glasses when clearly there are screens out there already that don't need them. I have never had 500 spare euros to fork on a low quality HD ready screen. So 1500?
Lawls.
Besides I already own all of those games.
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HD looks GREAT on SD TVs, waaaaaay better than SD images. Fact.
Just download any promotional video from the PSN on a SD TV and compare with your experience of it ingame. It looks better in the trailer than it actually does ingame.
edit: why, you ask? Because the trailer default output is HD, whereas with games, it's not. I haven't look behind the curtains but one does not need to check on the obvious?
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erm.. um.. erm..
um..
*Facepalm*
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Um, if a trailer/game is in HD it won't display on yer SD tellybox. Hence the need for HD tellyboxes.
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plus 4 free games
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A standard has now been agreed upon by the big players and this is the HDMI 1.4 standard. Any DVD / Blu-Ray players, Consoles or TV's adopting this format will be able to work together. As this is a data format you still have the choice of any viewing method the TV's use be it Linear Polarised, Circular Polarised, Active Shutter, Lenticular or any other method they come up with (as long as it only needs 2 views to work - some more advanced systems need more than 2 views but I doubt that'll catch on as it'll be to costly to develop for).
This is the format that Sony have adopted and are using in all the new TV's, Blu-Ray players and the PS3.
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When the PS3 is set to output a game in SD to an SD TV you are getting exactly the correct pixels at a 1:1 ratio and so the image is exactly as intended by the dev.
The TV can not do any intelligent adjustments to the screen as it does not know what is what. One common issue is that any small text or horizontal lines (such as with HUDs and overlays) will be getting thinned out and look really bad. The game on the other hand knows the output is SD and so can adjust the actual resources before it renders to make them look better.
Saying that though what you may be seeing is the fact that most decent TV do not just remove lines, but will do some sort of averaging of the lines before removal so that some of the data in them is spread to neighbouring lines. This would have the effect of giving a blur to the screen which would help remove any jagged corners.
As an extreme example, imagine if your TV output at a stupidly small res such as 100 x 80. Imagine what the HD image would look like on that and how much data would be lost! It would look horrible, yet any artefacts or jaggies would be completely gone.
What looks better is completely down to personal opinion, but what is fact is the SD -> SD will show the true image as the devs intended and HD -> SD will lose data.
Note: I just reported SpiritSnake (Edit: no I didn't sorry, I reported the person who posted the ads) to the mods. For anyone who doesn't know, you can do this by clicking on their name and then there is a 'report' button.
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“What looks better is completely down to personal opinion, but what is fact is the SD -> SD will show the true image as the devs intended and HD -> SD will lose data. “
You are failing to take account of the original desired signal; the HD output is the reference signal (for the game) in this situation, whether HD natively, HD video displayed on SD, or SD shown natively. They all must be compared to the same HD reference signal.
The HD video, downscaled and shown on an SD TV (signal processing by the ps3) is typically closer to the HD reference signal, than the game natively displayed in SD. So what spiritsnake said I would agree with.
And which looks better can be calculated. If the difference of the output signals to the reference signal are statistics analysed, you can conclusively say, that one is a better reconstruction of the reference signal than the other.
But like you said, that doesn't guarantee, it will be humanly perceived as a better likeness, as some details lost by noise, can be more discernible to humans than others.
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