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Sins of a Solar Empire Review

PC Review by Kieron Gillen

3 March, 2008

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The bits where you order a fleet of a hundred or so cruisers, frigates and capital ships to line up in an epic formation at the edge of a solar system, and jump simultaneously to a neighbouring solar system? Where dozens of portals open up, and your vessels accelerate through them trailing hyperbright lights? Wicked. When you get a mob of Siege Frigates in orbit above a populated world and giggle as the planet's surface blossoms in what you have to presume to be nuclear detonations? Awesome. And when an enemy fleet appears in your solar system, and a dozen fighter and bomber wings take off, closing the distance to the incoming ships while your big boys ponderously manouevre to join in? Hell yeah!

It's worthwhile to take a little time out to be shallow, because there's going to be precious little opportunity for that as we go on. Sins of a Solar Empire - and can we take a moment to applaud the name, too? - is a space-strategy epic whose stately games stretch out as large as the canvas of space itself. With such an epic game, so rich in mechanisms and with flashes of genuine innovation, how well it puts you in the enormous metal boots of a space conquerer can be overlooked in a rush to just get the fact downs. But, take it as read, if you've ever fantasised about leading a fleet to annihilate a planet full of everyone who's ever looked at you funny, this one's for you. And probably for people with a less vengefully sociopathic streak of space-emperor fantasy too.

'Sins of a Solar Empire' Screenshot 1

A fleet preparing to jump to hyperspace in a tactic I like to call 'Running Away'.

While it's from Ironclad, made up primarily of veterans of the Homeworld: Cataclysm team, the easiest way to describe Sins of a Solar Empire is to take publisher Stardock's previous game, Galactic Civilizations 2, and imagine it in real time. It's reduced, clearly, to save human brains liquidising under the strain, but there are parallels to almost everything you'd get up to in GalCiv. At the start, the map is hidden beneath a fog, forcing you to explore. Out there, you'll locate planets and asteroids, which can be colonised or otherwise exploited. Each planetary structure gives you a number of slots to fill according to your strategies, weighing up a research base against another space dock, a repair station against a fighter-base. All of these have to be researched, with separate tech-trees for military and production-style bonuses (plus another one for alien artifacts you uncover on your own planets, and another for increasing your maximum fleet size and number of capital ships). More indirect routes to conquering and control are made possible via the broadcast centres spread insidiously across the maps. Diplomacy is wrestled with, and it's possible to forge trade agreements and treaties.

So, a 4X game (Explore, Exploit, Expand, Exterminate, in some order or other), but in real time. It's a neat idea. It could work. And - phew! - it does.

The "real-time" thing may be confusing. This isn't something that moves with the pace of Command & Conquer. Even the small maps are a couple of hours' play. If you want to deal with a multi-star galaxy with ten races looking to be the winner, you're looking at the sort of commitment of time that matches many entire single-player games (or two or three Losts). You can have slower games by reducing the speed, or speed them up instead, but this is a game where the relative ponderousness of what you're controlling is absolutely the point.

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SentientNr6
03/03/08 @ 07:19
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Hah! "The running away tactic". How I loathe that one.
Even on 'easy' the AI runs from my mighty battlecruisers, where's the fun in that?

Personally I wouldn't give it 9, but I've only played for six hours so I guess I don't appreciate the intracies just yet.
evilidler
03/03/08 @ 07:19
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It should be mentioned that buying the download version nets the developers more money than retail, usually.
At least Stardock have mentioned in the past how happy they are about direct downloads :)
Turambar
03/03/08 @ 07:33
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Sounds like a massive timesink and i don't have that much time spare. Awesome name though.
Scimarad
03/03/08 @ 07:37
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There are very few games I unreservedly love on the PC and this is one of them. Personally I think it may be a little light-weight for real strategy fans but for it's fantastic for people like me who can't really be arsed with the real hard-core stuff. One of the things I love is that your capital ships really feel like characters as you can name them and they level up etc - Generally I tend to reload if I lose one of my favourites in a stupid mistake.

As to long end-game thing; This is an annoying issue but to be honest all you are missing out on if you just assume victory and quit is a single 'you won' screen and a stats page.

I'd also like to add that it's very easy to generate your own maps. although there are a few minor issues at the moment.
Whitewalker
03/03/08 @ 07:40
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Looks great...and yes you can see the Homeworld universe roots but also more, much more. There is a lot of Babylon, seeing some of the videos from in game I could have sworn they'd stolen them from some of the original epic battles the historical sfx serious had astounded us with. That in itself is a very good thing, as we never had a Babylon game, and sins is just that and so far more.
DoKtoR
03/03/08 @ 08:12
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Sounds like a colossal amount of fun... I'm guessing the entire game doesn't have a green space theme going (the screenshots were taken in the same timeframe as each other)?
kali_mist
03/03/08 @ 08:43
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With about 8 hours in, I reckon that it is an excellent game with fairly entertaining AI. I spent several hours building up a force of capital ships and the required tech in an attempt to destroy a pirate base about 3 worlds out from my home planet.
After a prolonged battle that used up over half of my force, I succeeded in the assault and I sent in a colony ship to take the pirate planet.
Without warning an entire alien fleet comprising about 300 ships arrived in from hyperspace,wiped out what was left of my ships, took the pirate planet and then spread out to my other practically undefended worlds. Apart from a few scouts I had no contact with the Aliens up to this point.

Freelancepolice
03/03/08 @ 08:43
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It's different for each system, bold blues, reds and whites. There's quite the variety.

Nice review KG
Saladin
03/03/08 @ 08:46
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Personally, I hate it when the AI runs away from my fleet, generally because they scarper back into my empire, and I end up wasting half an hour tracking them down.
jimmyjimbob
03/03/08 @ 08:47
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Sounds good.

Buy it at Amazon now link shows a different game though, 7 sins or something...
mingster
03/03/08 @ 09:26
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I'm a massive GalCiv2 fan... infact i consider it to be one of the best PC strategy games ever...
this sounds very similar though and maybe not as in depth but realtime instead..
I'm not convinced its better it sounds like GalCiv2 light.
mcmonkeyplc
03/03/08 @ 09:27
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Shit, I think I just came!
UncleLou
03/03/08 @ 09:33
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I don't like the game much, I have to admit. I loved it the first few hours, but even set to "fast", the game can be painfully slow (with often not much to do alll the time), and on larger maps it's all becoming quite tedious. I also beat the "medium" AI in my very first game, and the hard one in my third - only one opponent, admittedly, but if you play against more, the rather retarded diplomacy ("pay me or I'll end up attacking you") doesn't really motivate me in that regard.

In the end, it lacks the depth of something like GalCiv and the satisfaction of actual battles where you have some tactical control like in Homeworld.

I haven't played multiplayer, mind.

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mcmonkeyplc
03/03/08 @ 09:45
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Scimarad that sounds like a shut down without saving moment if ever there was one!

Is there a demo of this available. I think I might get this, I've been hankering for a replacement for homeworld for quite some time.
UncleLou
03/03/08 @ 09:48
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Oh, and the bloody AI desperately needs a "give up" function. As it is, you need to hunt it down to the last man across the universe before you've won, which cna take almost as long as the game lasted to the point where you pretty much beat the AI - which highlights another problem of the game - while this is true for many strategy games, in my experience so far you very quickly know whether you've already lost or won, but it'll take an eternity till you actually do.
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03/03/08 @ 10:06
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The game might be good but I'm not touching Stardock central or Totalgaming again, what a load of rubbish! A download service that gives you 50KB average and then borks the installation if you have AV software running, no thanks you!
prettyboytim
03/03/08 @ 10:08
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WHY IS SPACE NEVER BLACK?

I'm sure space used to be black. It's black in Star Wars. It's black in 2001. It's black in Real Life (TM).

The game looks like it's set in a pond.
UncleLou
03/03/08 @ 10:14
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The game might be good but I'm not touching Stardock central or Totalgaming again, what a load of rubbish! A download service that gives you 50KB average and then borks the installation if you have AV software running, no thanks you!


I've used Stardock quite a few times over the years, and I've yet to see it not max out my rather fast connection. That's with downloading SoaSE in the first hour of the release, too. Obviously you've made different expriences, just posting this to say that it's not a general problem, however. My average download speed on Steam is much lower, for example.
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03/03/08 @ 10:19
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I've never had a problem with Stardock. I've had download speeds maxing out my connection.
It's always installed/reinstalled/upgraded my version og GalCiv2 perfectly.
Plus it has no other copy protection other than yur serial number.
I think Stardock is excellent.

/edit see Lou agrees with me.
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erp
03/03/08 @ 10:31
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Looks like a kind of cross between Ascendancy and Homeworld...

This would be a very good thing indeed.

I bloody loved Ascendancy.
tapper
03/03/08 @ 10:33
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@prettyboytim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula


(Yes I know those images have been spiced up, but black isn't very visually interesting)
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jlaakso
03/03/08 @ 11:07
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Sounds very good indeed, it's mostly a time issue why I haven't bought this already.
marilena
03/03/08 @ 11:23
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So, for someone who could only play single player (i.e. me), is it worthwhile? I was under the impression that it's more of a multiplayer game, but the review suggests it's actually more of a single player one.
Jigglybean
03/03/08 @ 11:34
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dedicated PC game, equals a high score. Im getting this....some how!
Danj
03/03/08 @ 12:11
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"Hah! "The running away tactic". How I loathe that one. Even on 'easy' the AI runs from my mighty battlecruisers, where's the fun in that?"

Try researching Phase Jump Inhibitors. Slows down phase jump charging by 250% - if you have a decent force in-system when they try and run away, you're pretty much guaranteed to kick their ass.
Clive Dunn
03/03/08 @ 12:13
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Hmmm, I'm intending to buy it but I'm a bit worried that UncleLou doesn't like it as he's usually got pretty good judgement for these things.

/stalks UL some more, will run away if spotted.

Oh and from their webby -

"We're (Ironclad/Stardock) currently doing QA on the Sins 1.03 update which has a significantly enhanced computer AI (it's giving me a challenge at the highest level), computer replacement of dropped players online, and AI surrendering to reduce "mop up"."
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StarchildHypocrethes
03/03/08 @ 12:16
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Ooooh, this sounds right up my street!

Loved both of the GalCiv games, but this sounds more like a real time version less well known game I used to love called Ascendancy. I wittled away hours on that even though it was piss easy.

I take it from the review that this is only available via direct download then? I'll buy this tonight.

Edit: There's another! \o/ erp is a fan too :)
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kestral
03/03/08 @ 12:16
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AI Give up function is coming soon in the v1.03a patch according to the official website.
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03/03/08 @ 12:18
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I agree with UncleLou that the diplomacy is pretty weaksauce, but (unlike what it says in the review) this is basically an RTS game with 4X elements bolted on, so it's not too surprising the diplomacy isn't very developed. Perhaps it will get some attention in one of the patches, as was mentioned earlier the developers seem very attentive to fan input (check out their forums at http://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/). Having said that it's still a great game and a decent entry in the sorely neglected space RTS genre.
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mingster
03/03/08 @ 12:19
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If its anything like the GalCiv2 after release support they will patch this game to perfection.
Clive Dunn
03/03/08 @ 12:20
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Moo2 > Ascendancy. By miles.
StarchildHypocrethes
03/03/08 @ 12:26
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Moo2 may have been the better/deeper game overall, but Ascendancy was just really good fun.

Loved the graphics at the time too.
old skool
03/03/08 @ 12:46
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I've been playing this game since its release, that's close to a month. Personally I wouldn't give it such a high score. It's certainly no Homeworld, there's no formations or advanced tactics involed. Even the 3D nature of space doesn't matter. It's probably closer to Civilization 2, just set in space. The AI is pretty lacking too, becomes too easy to beat and once you're settled into the game. If you play as the TEC you can build up your credits pretty quickly and thus you'll likely have the edge with bounties. My greatest gripe was actually the camera system, this will likely frustrate a lot of players but if you persevere you'll eventually get the grip of it.
There's very little micro management and I understand why the designers scaled down player involvement; with so many planets it will become a bit daunting.

Too be successful in battles you pretty much have to have a balanced fleet of frigates, cruisers and battleships. It's not like Homeworld where you have one extreme of many fighters and few frigates/cruisers or another extreme of few fighters and many frigates/cruisers. The beauty of Homeworld was that even though you were outnumbered victory could be achieved by pure tactics. In Sins most of the time with the AI it will come down to pure numbers and tech advancement like better hull improvements or missile/laser upgrades. With a human player it might be different though. The AI is at least smart enough to know when it's losing and thus decides to retreat. Another weakness is your ships just standing static and shooting, there's no evasive manouvers, no flanking , and just the option of selecting a 'standard' formation.

With all its shortcomings though it does become addictive, pretty easy to loose track of time while playing this game. I sat up till 2am and I got up at 6 o'clock :-)

Although this game is set in space the closest game that compares to this is indeed Sid Meier's Civilization 2. Very little micro management

It's a shame the reviewer doesn't even mention the different races, or the technology trees. Pretty poor review in my opinion.

Anyway it gets a 7 from me. Certainly not innovative ( I really can't see any, maybe the reviewer can point that out to me ) but highly addictive once you get past it kinks and mastered the camera.
Crea
03/03/08 @ 13:08
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I wants it!

Any way for a non-paypal using, debit-card owner to get a hold of this?
old skool
03/03/08 @ 13:28
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Oh yeah, your ships also level up, that must be the innovative part LOL
mingster
03/03/08 @ 13:38
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I think GalCiv2 > Moo2
Whitey McCool
03/03/08 @ 14:59
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I'm with Lou and Old Skool on this one, it's good - fantastic even at first - but there just isn't enough depth. Once you've played and won a few different games in a few different scenarios, there's nothing to keep you coming back. When you compare it to something turn based like Civ IV it just feels shallow, and like others have said there isn't enough guts to the RTS side for it to compete with something like Homeworld.

It's good, and worth a look certainly, but to me it felt like it tried to do two things and ended up doing neither. The "play non-stop for a week but then uninstall" theory certainly held true for me.
stoopidgreg
03/03/08 @ 16:53
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omg 9, must buy this game
WrongShui
03/03/08 @ 17:57
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I@ve been playing this since beta one, and since then it was always looking like something that could be great.

Unfortunatly it lacks any depth in either its RTS or 4X side leaving you with half the satisfaction of either genres.

You wont notice this till after about 10-15 hours though.
nervouspete
03/03/08 @ 18:06
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Whitewalker, if you want Babylon 5 space-action with big fleet battles, try the Freespace 2 stand alone mod 'The Babylon Project', at http://babylon.hard-light.net/ - it's pretty dang good.

As for this - agh, musn't buy, looks like a huge timesink... and yet, so tempting!
Pulsar_t
03/03/08 @ 20:40
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Why don't they make any more of those strategy games where you get to control vehicles/vessels as well (e.g. Battlezone)? I was quickly bored with Homeworld and went with Freespace instead.

Will skip this and wait for Red Alert 3 ;D
Clive Dunn
04/03/08 @ 07:37
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"Why don't they make any more of those strategy games where you get to control vehicles/vessels as well (e.g. Battlezone)?"

Because not enough of you miserable bastards buy them ?
benuaq
04/03/08 @ 12:51
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Played a few games, each faction, different styles, hours and hours of stuff.
Definitely not 9/10.
7/10 at the very most.
jonfon
04/03/08 @ 12:51
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Yay, about time this got its review. Super game.

Only game in recent memory which has induced Temporal lapse in me too ("Its 1am? When did that happen? I've to be up agin for work in 4 hours. Nooooooooooo").

Massive amount of feedback, patching and modding going on too which is something I love in a game.

Digital download and install worked like a dream. Started it one Friday evening at 6, it was done by 7.

Personally I'd give it an 8 simply because the lack of a storyline or campaign throws you in at the deep end and leaves the 3 races a bit bland personality-wise. A short campaign expanding the story and also getting you used to various mechanisms would have been nice.
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Camilitus
04/03/08 @ 13:00
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I remember the first game i played for 12 hrs straight thru the night was Ascendancy. I was stunned by a lack of a sequel but Sins has provided it. Its immersive and great to watch. Its also highly, highly playable. My criticism would be a narrowness of content, the races are not all that different and the tech trees are limited. If the combination of gal civ's depth and Sin's canvas could be achived i doubt i'd sleep again. Top game.
Tehren
04/03/08 @ 22:04
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Bastards. Amazon US price £20. Plus £18 S&H. Plus £6.00 import fee. WTF?
EzyRyder
05/03/08 @ 09:02
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I think I am sadly starting to grow up.

Got this two days ago and haven't been able to get into it. I am a huge fan of games such as Imperium Gallactica 1/2, Master of Orion 1/2, Ascendancy, Fragile Allegiance, Gal Civ 1/2 so I know the score but I just don't like the way it feels. It feels plain and not enough substance to it.

Am I alone? :(
Clive Dunn
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"Got this two days ago and haven't been able to get into it. I am a huge fan of games such as Imperium Gallactica 1/2, Master of Orion 1/2, Ascendancy, Fragile Allegiance, Gal Civ 1/2 so I know the score but I just don't like the way it feels. It feels plain and not enough substance to it.

Am I alone? :("

No, it's pretty poor. Given it a good 10 hours and it's pretty shallow unless I've missed something huge. I really don't mind the lack of a campaign proper, as most good 4x games haven't really had one. I do mind the total lack of an AI, hours mopping up, only really ever fighting pirates, and a crappy tech tree not really worth the name.

It'd get a 5 or 6 max from me.
Luckz
15/05/08 @ 00:28
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"Am I alone? :("

No, but I regret buying GalCiv2.

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