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SingStar: Past, Present and Future Article

PlayStation 3 PlayStation 2 Article by Tom Bramwell

6 April, 2009

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Of course there are additional complications. If there's a shot of someone holding a knife in the video, for instance, that could affect the PEGI rating, so the video has to be edited. "For [another] example, you may find you get an eighties pop song, and with the videos in the eighties, they loved making them a bit like films, so what you'd find is that in the music for the video they'd put in an extra four bars in the middle because there's a scene that's like waving goodbye on a platform or something, and then you get the CD bit and it doesn't match up." And of course every time someone edits something, that means seeking re-approval from the rights-holders. Still, at least the process is the same for discs and Store downloads.

And at least it doesn't get them down, perhaps because every Friday afternoon they have SingStar parties in the office (I thought we invented that), or perhaps because they always have the option, slumped on the sofa on a Sunday morning, of firing up the SingStar community pages and watching the surprisingly amazing videos that fans of the game concoct. It's the new Hollyoaks Omnibus. What's more, Ranyard reckons the community pretty much polices itself.

"People can grief-report, but to be honest I don't think there's that much moderation goes on," he says. "I think there was a little bit in the early days, because people didn't really know. It was nothing like malicious, it was more naive, and it's not like every day I get emails like, 'Oh god, this is happening', so I don't know how it is moderated. It's certainly not a big topic for us." They even have nice comments threads apparently. Imagine! Ranyard speculates that it's because people are comfy in the walled garden that is SingStar online, and support one another rather than fighting.

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Tom's favourite SingStar song? Girls Just Wanna Have Fun. Figures.

"And you're right, I love watching it too," he admits, although with three kids his Sundays probably don't involve many hangovers and Hollyoaks anyway. "We've given them one editing function, which is the pause button, and yet they've done some amazing videos. That's kind of what I'm getting at when I say that we look at the community and that informs us as to where to go." He doesn't want to comment on whether full-length video recordings will be introduced in a future round of updates, which probably means they will be.

One feature we would all like to see, though, isn't really up to Ranyard and his colleagues at Sony, and that's only having to buy a song you like once. At the moment, anyone who fancies a bit of "Mr. Brightside" in SingStar and Rock Band has to fork out twice, and again if they want it on CD (although you know, it's a bit old now - buy Day & Age instead). Are we ever going to get to a point where it's just one, sensible price for an all-access pace?

"That's a really tough question. I do know what you mean from a consumer perspective. At the end of the day I'm a consumer as well," he says, before pausing. "We could get there. Maybe that's more of an initiative for the music industry." So, er, probably not, then. Given the music industry's attitude to evolving technologies like the internet in the late nineties, and even now, it's hard to imagine them not wanting us to buy everything multiple times.

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Nobody at Eurogamer has ever performed this in SingStar.

Then again, Ranyard has to work with people in the music industry, so he's not about to slag them off, and points out that while the number of competing music games sometimes means paying out too often for the same thing, it has its upsides too. "If you look at the music industry," he notes, "games has been quite a big positive impact on their finances in the last couple of years. Yes, obviously there's competition for content on the one hand, but the other side of it is that the music industry takes us very seriously now, so that makes it easier and smoothes things out. The fact that there's a healthy market there helps us a lot."

And hey, we've got wireless microphones now, and they can't take that away from us.

SingStar's wireless microphones are out now. Dave Ranyard is series director for SingStar at Sony's London Studio. Tom Bramwell has the voice of an angel.

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mkreku
06/04/09 @ 10:26
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Does this mean my trusty old PS2 won't be supported by Singstar any longer? I don't want a PS3 just yet..
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06/04/09 @ 10:28
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Singstar is a great laugh...check out my vids plz

"...SingStar Extras where you can buy, or get for free, other things than just songs, so that's where you might buy features in the future, or you might get the features for free."

Home items? Display screens for my videos for us in my apartment? I think this is a strong possibility since quite a few of the newly announced Singstar trophies include the unlocking of a Home Item!!
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06/04/09 @ 10:32
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Damn, that is an almost page-breakingly long list of related games. It's always the games that interest me the least that turn out to be phenomenally successful. Guess that's why I'm a PC gamer :D
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drumbaby
06/04/09 @ 10:46
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I'll start playing it with the kids again when we get the wireless mikes.I hate seeing the PS3 getting yanked about.
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06/04/09 @ 10:47
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i'm quite glad that MS brought out Lips as prior to all this news (bar the singstore...and now the wireless mics) there hasn't been much change of singstar over the years...such a big singstar fan myself but feel like it's gotten a bit stale as of late and small things like the voice activation and up coming secret updates sound great

also a request to put some volume 3 songs up on the store *cough*billiejean*cough*
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ruttyboy
06/04/09 @ 10:53
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There's a Singstar Disney!? Is it on PS3? I can't find it anywhere :(
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YobRenoops
06/04/09 @ 10:56
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Almost insightful about the licensing process. Doesn't mention those labels (I'm looking at you UMG) and artists that won't co-operate but ho-hum.

Could have asked when the trophies will go live as well...
Erinan
06/04/09 @ 11:05
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There's a Singstar Disney!? Is it on PS3? I can't find it anywhere :(

It's on PS2, but you can use the disc on the PS3 if you already have Singstar PS3.
designerheadache
06/04/09 @ 11:38
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you can now use any PS2 singstar disc on the PS3 singstar, if you didnt know.

Just pop the PS2 disc in on the carousel screen :P
peterfll
06/04/09 @ 11:51
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I only purchased SingStar yesterday for the first time, with the lovely new wireless microphones.

My only disappointment is the rather sad list of songs available. The above summary is v accurate. Personally I was hoping to frolic around on the sofa in my wedding dress singing Like A Virgin, only to be shocked by the revelation that there's no Madge content whatsoever!
ruttyboy
06/04/09 @ 12:05
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Didn't know that about the PS2 disc, thanks all :D

"It's the bare necessities!"
ruttyboy
06/04/09 @ 12:12
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Although after checking out the PS2 one, it appears to be shit :(

Disney + Singstar, how could they get that wrong? 0_o
stampax
06/04/09 @ 12:17
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Agree about the songs - could be far more varied - see guitar hero and rock band for some fairly far out there stuff. Generally, it's a great game and giving me more of a laugh and fun time than most games - though i must admit has been taken over by rock band over recent months.
mattman
06/04/09 @ 12:22
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I have given up on SingStar the moment Rock Band made its debut. Not only does it provide a more interesting catalogue for MY taste, it also seems so much more value for money. Not to mention the variety and depth of game modes.

I'd be happy to see an open standard format for music game songs as mentioned in the article, but I honestly can't see that happening. Ever. :(
Mentalist(air)
06/04/09 @ 12:23
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Personally I was hoping to frolic around on the sofa in my wedding dress singing Like A Virgin, only to be shocked by the revelation that there's no Madge content whatsoever!

I think you'll find Like A Virgin here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-SingStar-PS...
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06/04/09 @ 12:29
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It would be nice to be able to buy a song once and then have it available on multiple games. Seems quite unlikely really, but what can you do? Had a good few years with Singstar during University, but I'm probably going to be investing in Lips at some point. Not least because I don't have a PS3 at present, but the impending microphone compatibility with Rock Band is a very tantalising prospect.
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Fletche
06/04/09 @ 12:54
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Love Singstar, only problem is that you can guarantee that any session results in waking up the next day with a blinding hangover, is like playing Singstar goes hand in hand with copious amounts of rum, Jack Daniels and beer.
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06/04/09 @ 13:28
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after reading the article there is still one aspect of the game that isn't there. He stated that there was people in three European countries that help determine the songs in the store. As stated nobody in the US is helping with the songs so you wonder why the song choice is Euro and indie dominated. The game would take off like guitar hero and rock band with more US songs in it. Hard to believe that if those two games can get some of the best songs ever and singstar can't. Just seems like that Sony is missing out on opportunity in the US with this game with the success of guitar hero and rock band.
rprince
06/04/09 @ 14:33
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Ellie still might drop the DS3 into a pint of Vimto. She might also drop the wireless mic in there now, as well...
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06/04/09 @ 14:42
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The reason the mics have taken two years is they were originallly supposed to be bluetooth but they couldn't get it working so wussed out and went usb.

http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/11/1...
peterfll
06/04/09 @ 16:26
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@Mentalist(air)

I *heart* you!

And not just Like A Virgin - that disc has so many other classics!
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06/04/09 @ 19:27
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Having never tried SingStar for PS3 - I really fancy getting a copy however I am totally confused. Do all the song packs contain the main game or do you have to buy the original game and then these are simply add on songs?

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06/04/09 @ 22:08
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Sorry, did you say there is a USB Dongle needed?
Doctor_What
07/04/09 @ 08:05
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@Scrumhalf: you can't install songs from discs onto your HDD (much as we have all asked for that again and again and again), so you buy the disc you like the most then download everything else.
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07/04/09 @ 10:17
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Singstar Disney, it is awful. The least amount of tracks of any other disc. Rubbish songs. Two Player appaling.
mrpickle
07/04/09 @ 12:21
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Features I want from singstar:

* Ability to export recorded clips and audio to usb/external harddrive
* Ability to have the option to upload recorded clips and audio to youtube instead of the singstar community.
* When a new singstar game comes out. All the tracks from that release appear in the singstore from day 1.
* Ability to sing to your own mp3's on the ps3 harddrive/external device
* Ability to queue up a number of songs so you don't have to select after every song.
konniehuqfan
07/04/09 @ 13:00
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sony should organise a singstar european championships!

it'd be better than eurovision...
influenceuk
08/04/09 @ 11:49
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What i want to know is where are all the HD videos/content that SCEE raved about prior to release?

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