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Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution Review

Xbox 360 PlayStation 3 Review by Alec Meer

11 June, 2008

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Hopefully yesterday's surprise announcement of Civilization IV: Colonization has quietened strategy gamers' hysteria that this cartoonish, slimline version of Sid Meier's favourite (or at least most lucrative) son might be the long-running series' only future. You don't get much more niche than an out-of-the-blue sequel to a 1994 turn-based PC game about trading rum between America and Europe, after all.

Well, hey. Already I'm probably confusing people who don't know much about Civ. In fact, over two previews, I've talked about how Civ Rev feels, and about how this console rethink differs from more than a decade of PC Civilizations, but what I haven't done is say how it's played. So, for total newcomers, let's take it from the top.

Civilization is all about tribalism. It begins with the most barbaric aspect of that (quite literally, hairy blokes with wooden clubs hitting other hairy blokes with wooden clubs) and ends with its other extreme - asserting your tribe's dominance over others through technology, culture, commerce or military might. In other words, you pick a nation and progress it from cave-dwellers all the way to factories and tanks.

To do this, you explore the world, you research new scientific advances, you found and improve cities, you shake hands with foreign dignitaries - or you wave your clubs/swords/lances/rifles/machineguns/nukes at anyone who stands in your way. It's all turn-based, your puppet-like armies marching across the land square-by-square, and a raft of numbers gradually raising and lowering - ideally the former. There's honestly no reason for it to be otherwise. You need that time and headspace to choose what you want each of your cities to be building, to decide whether invading Norwich is a smart move or not, and to prepare yourself in the event that an army of Zulu cannons starts rolling your way. You'll win because you think better, not because you react faster.

'Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution' Screenshot 1

Combat maths is a little off - invisible dice-rolls play a part, despite the Top Trumps presentation of units' stats.

Me, I tend to be a pacifist in these things. Given the choice, I'd rather head to a quiet corner of the planet, get my head down and build an empire off my own back - not by greedily seizing land and coin from others. Civ Rev thus takes some getting used to. It's simply not possible to play it like that. This is inescapably a competitive game - one in which you're nose-to-nose with your rivals at all times. If you're doing well, your rival nations - each as determined to rule this tile-based world as you are - will constantly threaten you with annihilation if you don't relinquish your treasures.

The demands start small, but grow to unreasonable with alarming speed. No, Ghandi, you can't have 500 gold. No, Queen Elizabeth, I'm not going to give you the secrets of steam power. No matter how placid I try to act - will 200g be enough to satisfy the bloke in the nappy? Would Currency keep Queenie quiet? - it'll come down to capitulation or war soon enough. I've played a couple of dozen games of Civ Rev now, but there hasn't been a single one in which I haven't ended up having a barney with a hysterical neighbour or three. In most, I've usually ended up actively wiping out other Civs just to keep them from my own door.

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A lot of work's gone into the character models, but generally you're so focused on your situation that you just push them off-screen immediately.

Because that's the thing. You can't play Civ Rev like Civ. The underlying systems are the same, if hugely (and at times brutally) simplified, but where its PC siblings could, to a certain extent, be played at your own pace, this sticks army ants in your bed. If you try to sleep, you'll be eaten alive. It keeps moving at all times, and if you don't move with it you won't get anywhere. That said, the lowest couple of difficulty settings are almost hilariously forgiving, but you'll very quickly want to graduate to a more challenging one. Even if you're specifically aiming for an economic, cultural or technological victory, be prepared to shed some blood along the way.

While I miss the option for subtlety, this pushiness makes perfect sense, and is really the only way to ensure a match comes to a satisfying conclusion within a couple of hours. It's also a smart move for a game that may struggle to entice a brand new crowd. Offending existing Civ fans (and it will - the angrier, snobbier ones at least) by throwing too many nuance-babies out with the bathwater is one thing. Being perceived as too stuffy, too slow, too turn-based strategy by the mainstream console crowd - now that would be disastrous.

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timeslip
11/06/08 @ 08:07
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Hey im 1st! lol been looking forward to this for a while - However wheres the DS version that was ment to be out June 6th ?
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11/06/08 @ 08:07
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when is the DS version out?

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Beano
11/06/08 @ 08:11
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Played the demo on both PS3 and 360, liked it a lot and ordered it a few days ago ;)
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11/06/08 @ 08:17
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I'm really liking the demo, but haven't had time to get my teeth into it yet. Think I'll buy this on budget, or full price if all my friends get it.
zoch
11/06/08 @ 08:22
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I played the demo on ps3 and I thought it was good I may get this game
crwoody
11/06/08 @ 08:23
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Nice Score.

After playing the pc versions for many years now, the demo was a breath of fresh air for me.
I just dont have the time for a "full" game of civ anymore so this fits my lifestyle perfectly.

I think a trip to Tesco at lunch time is needed to pick this up :)

(or i would if it was out yet lol)
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11/06/08 @ 08:31
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Same here. I've played Civ since the Amiga version and don't have time for a solid weekend of it any more. I want to turn on at 8pm one evening and finish for 11pm. If that's not enough I can always flog it and go back to the PC version.
CannonAnBall
11/06/08 @ 08:33
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Played the demo like the others and loved it. It's pre-ordered and will be a pleasant distraction from the other games in my collection.
lennon
11/06/08 @ 08:37
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Played virtually all the civ games and always enjoy them. Played the 360 demo the other day and was immensely pleased with how well it played. I like others have less time these days so it seems perfect to me. My order is on its way :)
Xerx3s
11/06/08 @ 08:39
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If you are a hardcore civ player, be sure to try the demo first as it might be a massive disappointment as it was with me.
Gene
11/06/08 @ 08:40
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so its basically a civ IV dumbed down for the console 'tards?
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11/06/08 @ 08:42
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@Xerx3s - of course it will be disappointing if you treat it like proper Civ - it's designed to be all done and dusted in 3 hour games. You simply can't do that with Civ. So for this version there is no AI diplomacy, a tiny tech tree and everyone attacks the highest scoring player. At least now we have the option and they may consider something more advanced for future years, plus the inevitable expansion packs.
barnard666
11/06/08 @ 08:47
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I think I'll get this instead of Kanes Wrath.
Trip SkyWay
11/06/08 @ 08:47
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Nice review covered everything I wanted to know.
ccfb
11/06/08 @ 08:49
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"so its basically a civ IV dumbed down for the console 'tards?"

You'll be buying it then, I assume.
paulf
11/06/08 @ 08:49
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loved the demo and preordered it just now - i think it's struck the right balance between ease of use, speed of game and complexity, and lounging on my couch playing it on xbox is much more comfy than being hunched over the pc :)
Phattso
11/06/08 @ 08:53
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Seems to be about the going score across most reviews and, based on the demo, right on the money. A nice little community is forming in the forums with a lot of us pre-ordering and planning some multiplayer action. One can't help wondering if this is a toe in the water, with possibly the added depth this reviewer was after coming via DLC and/or an expansion pack/sequel.

I hope it does well - much as I love Civilization on the PC I just don't have that kinda time any more, so I'm very much looking forward to this.
Kingofnothin
11/06/08 @ 08:57
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Played the Demo and pre-ordered the next day. Great fun and I can't wait to wage war over XBL!
Xerx3s
11/06/08 @ 08:57
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I don't get the "Don't have time for civ" stuff. I play about 2 hours a week. There is a save function you know. :/
Kingofnothin
11/06/08 @ 08:57
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Played the Demo and pre-ordered the next day. Great fun and I can't wait to wage war over XBL!
Beano
11/06/08 @ 08:59
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"i think it's struck the right balance between ease of use, speed of game and complexity, and lounging on my couch playing it on xbox is much more comfy than being hunched over the pc :) "

Agree completely. Strategy games may be best suited for PCs due to mouse/keyboard controls, but I simply don't like sitting in front of my PC to play games and prefer consoles. Glad there's finally a solid strategy game made for consoles and not just a PC game ported over with half-bad controls :)
Sneerk
11/06/08 @ 09:01
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The demo was fun. ill be getting this.
MrED209
11/06/08 @ 09:02
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£27.99 at Shopto.net, makes it an impulse purchase for me. I don't really like Civ IV - too TURN BASED STRATEGY for me, but this - this is a much more enjoyable, handleable size for me. Probably won't play it much, either, so it will hold it's interest value too. :)
Wash
11/06/08 @ 09:02
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Thought this would be good, but not MGS4 good. ;)

Although i like the idea, and the review comes across positive - i kinda feel its a little too toned down for me.

Hopefully the next en will include some of the more advanced stuff.
Phattso
11/06/08 @ 09:03
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My playtime is sporadic, Xerx3s. What use is a save function if my play sessions are days or weeks apart? :)

I like to be able to sit down and complete something in a few hours nowadays. I do miss the time when I'd be glued to Total War games, or Rise of Nations, or Civ back in the day... but that's just not how I can game any more. It's a shame, but it's my reality and I suspect I'm far from alone in this.
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11/06/08 @ 09:04
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"I don't get the "Don't have time for civ" stuff. I play about 2 hours a week. There is a save function you know. :/"

True, but, at least in my case, it's hard to put a good game of Civ out of your head. And my experience is that if I do succeed in doing so, it often means I don't return to the save game at all... ;)

I have the same problem with Rome: TW as well.
TafKas
11/06/08 @ 09:10
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Also pre-ordered, loved the demo, cant wait to get stuck in to this.
If anyone fancies some online battles add me on Xbox Live - GT = Captain Slog.
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11/06/08 @ 09:11
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The save function is for single player only (10 save slots for Xbox, as many as you have space for on PS3).
crwoody
11/06/08 @ 09:17
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"If anyone fancies some online battles add me on Xbox Live - GT = Captain Slog."

I'm up for that, will add you soon, GT is same as my name on here.
Sneerk
11/06/08 @ 09:18
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Civ is all about singleplayer for me, so the review was a wee bit off putting. But i suppose an 8 isnt at all bad for this game.
Xerx3s
11/06/08 @ 09:18
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"True, but, at least in my case, it's hard to put a good game of Civ out of your head."

But that makes it so brilliant. You can spend all day thinking out the best strategy.
MGG
11/06/08 @ 09:20
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He didnt mean the console save game........

I know what everyone means about having less time, but I still feel like its a bit too dumbed down for me. I am determined to find the time for a proper crack at civ4 - its just been sitting there for months now.

And Rise of Nations - hah, I bought that thinking as its real-time I would spend less time playing it than civ - wrong! What a time-sink that thing was! Bloody loved it though ;)
Phattso
11/06/08 @ 09:22
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Actually, talking here has made me want to go and install Rise of Nations again. That was another game that fit perfectly into my available gaming time. Overview strategy in the Risk style, then down to RTS to resolve all the barnies. Awesome game that.
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11/06/08 @ 09:23
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"But that makes it so brilliant. You can spend all day thinking out the best strategy."

Totally agree (must be a first! ;) ). But it's a shame if you can't try out your well thought-out strategy at night, or even the next couple of nights. It's not a criticism of the game series, which I think is brilliant (though I typically am one game behind in the series (now still playing III) because since II it happened that I had only played a couple of games on the current version before the next version was released).
asphaltcowboy
11/06/08 @ 09:32
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so its basically a civ IV dumbed down for the console 'tards?

So someone absoutely didn't read the review then? Idiot.
Anyway, enough pandering to the trolls - looks nice, will play the demo!
convercide
11/06/08 @ 09:35
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I liked the demo. It's a lot like Civ 2 which I played the most.
Jimbob89
11/06/08 @ 09:36
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Had my eye on this for awhile, and just ordered mine from play after reading the review. Hope i've made the right decision, never played a civ game before, and haven't had time to play the demo because of uni exams. But hey, it looks awesome!
Zelos
11/06/08 @ 09:36
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@Xerx3s

Sure, but there's a lot of state you have to keep in your mind when playing a game like this so if you stop and start you can end up feeling lost. Also, I have a lot of other games to play, using up all my precious gaming time playing 1 campaign of CivIV would be kind of boring: with a 1-3 hour game you have a beginning, middle and end and I can go back to GTAIV or whatever.

From the sound of it, the scale of this is just right. I always played militaristic anyway.
Xerx3s
11/06/08 @ 09:39
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I think my biggest problem with the demo is that it more or less abandons the way you look on the world. It felt very tiny and I had no sense of control.
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11/06/08 @ 09:40
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Played the demo and loved it. I was worried that it would be too cut down and simple, but thats definatly not the case. I enjoy the full games, but its nice to be able to enjoy a more stream lined version without all the hassle. Secretly knew I'd like this with how much I enjoyed the PSone version of Civ II :-)
HardTimesUK
11/06/08 @ 09:41
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I enjoyed the demo a lot, think I'll pick this up from play or shopto, only around 27 quid! :)

Bargain!
koji_m
11/06/08 @ 09:43
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so, should I pick this one up for 360 or the PS3...

(and no this is not to start fanboi rantings, this is a "honest" question)

anyone hear anything about differences between the versions?
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11/06/08 @ 09:46
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@koji_m - get the version your friends are getting. I have both consoles but the mates haven't so 360 it is for me.

PS3 version has more save slots and will be quieter of course, but I've not heard of any other differences yet. Have a look on the official forums and you might find further gossip.
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11/06/08 @ 09:48
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"So someone absoutely didn't read the review then? Idiot.
Anyway, enough pandering to the trolls - looks nice, will play the demo! "

So you are calling someone else a idiot for not reading the review but have not even tried the demo yourself? Nice!
Wendelius
11/06/08 @ 09:48
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Alec,

Your review doesn't seem to mention an intriguing option I noticed on the single player menu of the demo: "Game of the week". If Firaxis can throw interesting scenarios for players the world over to try and excel at, it could keep things fresh for longer.

Do you know any more about that option?

Wendelius
ghearoid
11/06/08 @ 09:51
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Um, just wondering.. is the PS3 demo available on the PSN? I didn't notice it at the weekend when I was having a mooch.
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11/06/08 @ 09:52
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@ghearoid - it's only on the US PSN.
Beano
11/06/08 @ 09:53
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"is the PS3 demo available on the PSN? "

Only on the US store currently.

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asphaltcowboy
11/06/08 @ 09:54
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@Beano: Where did I say the game was good/rubbish/dumbed-down? I didn't. I said, based on the review, that it looks nice. Gene was clearly trolling as the review explicitly says, and I quote, "This isn't 'dumbed-down'". So next time, please read what I actually wrote and don't be a silly-billy.
Beano
11/06/08 @ 09:58
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@asphaltcowboy : I'm not getting into the good-or-bad-game debate (I like the demo though) but you called someone else an idiot for having another opinion while in the same post, admitting not having tried the game yourself and basing your opinion on the review which I find very ironic.
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