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Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 Review

PlayStation 2 Review by Christian Donlan

19 March, 2009

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Playing out through morning lessons, lunchtime corridor gatherings, after-school activities and evenings spent at home watching TV, Persona 4's friendship system is complex but faintly cold-hearted. This is either a critique of social mobility or a product of it, with each connection you forge serving primarily to level up your Social Links, allowing you to unlock strategic battle advantages amongst team-mates, or craft increasingly powerful varieties of Persona.

The game can be brilliantly mercenary; each time a potential friend casually suggests a trip to the mall, it results in the chillingly self-serving option of examining the levelling advantages you'll get from accepting their offer. Persona wants you to be popular, but it asks that you're essentially industrious with your free time. This is no trivial world of mini-games and other distractions: socialising is simply another tool in service of the game's larger RPG mission - another part of your arsenal, requiring you to callously exploit the neediness of your chums to get the most out of them.

And yet, although it reduces family and friends to a ritual, it's not an empty one. This may be a clockwork universe, but it's filled with unexpectedly personal discoveries and real warmth. Even if you're just hanging out with Chie so that, one day, she'll take a monster's boot to the head so that you don't have to, you'll still end up exploring the surprisingly delicate inner lives of the characters, probing their neuroses and back stories. Despite their Playmobil appearances and disconcerting emoticon outpourings, you'll finish the game feeling that you know them a little better, and Persona's designers have an undeniably excellent eye for the tiny little rites that make up every friendship, from the ceremonial exchanging of phone-numbers to the awkward way new acquaintances grope towards an understanding of the hierarchy of their relationship.

And inevitably, when Persona overburdens you with social responsibilities, piling up the jobs, local festivals, and basketball clubs too thickly, the choices you make are often contrary to your tactical best interests. I spent far too much time hanging out with Yumi, the enigmatic fox from drama club with a lame Sun Arcana boost, than I should have as, given the way I was playing, she wasn't really making me that much more effective in the serious business of hitting baddies in the face every night.

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The plot twists a few more times than you may be expecting, and with more than one ending, this is a large game.

On top of the social elements and dungeon-crawling lies the familiar clutter of shops to visit, items to sell and weapons to collect: everything necessary to keeps a packed, if focused, RPG ticking over. As a sequel to Persona 3, this is ultimately cautious; the handful of changes it's made may be predictable, but they're no less essential because of that, and the result is a game that remains comfortingly familiar yet distinctly improved.

There are still problems - you'll have to grind more than you'd like to beat a lot of the bosses, and one dungeon, beneath the surface, is very similar to the next - but, despite the limitations to your freedom, what emerges in a carefully balanced game, revelling in a juicy contrast between its own day and night cycles, its spectral Midnight Channel and detailed domestic setting, and the child's life when shoved up against the grotty world of adults.

Powerful rather than perfect, then, Persona 4's a status ailment rather than a killing blow - it's not going to bowl you over with one strike, but it will quietly gnaw away at you until you succumb.

8/10

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monkeylite
19/03/09 @ 11:36
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Lovely game.
OnlyMe
19/03/09 @ 11:37
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I've never played a Persona game ever. Digital Devil Saga, yes, tried it once for a couple of hours. But not Persona.
xagarath
19/03/09 @ 11:40
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Only an 8? Little low, given some recent scores.
Widge
19/03/09 @ 11:42
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yes, immediately change your score to match all others regardless of your own opinion
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19/03/09 @ 11:43
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Have this on the pile. I'm afraid it will stay there for a while. Damn all these games.
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19/03/09 @ 11:47
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Available for £15.63 at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Square-Enix-Pers...
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19/03/09 @ 11:47
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Probably the last great PS2 game?
Ninja_Tino
19/03/09 @ 11:51
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An 8? That surprises me. I'm 20 hours in and I'd definitely give it a 9 at the moment.
JohnnyWashnGo
19/03/09 @ 11:51
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Also have this on the pile, on top of Persona 3 FES :)

I _will_ play them someday, just not right now. Resi 5 is taking up too much of my time at the moment.
neonemesis
19/03/09 @ 11:52
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Have this on the pile. I'm afraid it will stay there for a while. Damn all these games.

I know what you mean! My pile is getting dangerously high...
ChadSexington
19/03/09 @ 11:57
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Eurogamer's reviews are getting shitter and shitter - Persona 4 worse than Fable II? I think not.
neonxaos
19/03/09 @ 11:58
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I suspect I will enjoy it somewhat more than the reviewer, but it's nice to see a different perspective. Persona 3 was just so charming that I never wanted to let it go, and this looks even better to me.
R.P_McMurphy
19/03/09 @ 12:01
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Ordered this off Amazon, been wanting to play for a looooong time.
Chrono-Kun
19/03/09 @ 12:03
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I was hoping a 10/10 would suffice since... Persona 3 got a 9. =/ Damn Eurogamer for getting sucked into the hype and rate overrated games like Fable II

Persona 4 >>>>>>>>>>>> Fable II

penhalion
19/03/09 @ 12:06
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I am totally enjoying this game. They definitely have to bring this to PS3 and 360. That would make the graphics 100% anime and be the final icing as it were.

The story is played out as I am always waffling on that they should be. You basically get to be the star of a great adventure. Nothing that happens ever takes you out of that feeling and you grow to genuinely care for the cast you are trying to defend. If you like the persona games you will like this.
Cappy
19/03/09 @ 12:08
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The review is incorrect by the way.

Responses in conversation with other characters actually are significant. It isn't hard to check these things out. I didn't bother reading the review beyond that point, are Eurogamer paying by the word nowadays?
Shane86
19/03/09 @ 12:12
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This is the best RPG I've played since final fantasy 10, and there's no grinding necessary if you're good enough.

I think it deserves a 10 but that's my opinion, if an RPG like fable 2 can get a 10 then this should be an 11.
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Cloud-Strife
19/03/09 @ 12:13
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Good score, was hoping for a nine though...Should be getting it today...
Vertical Stand
19/03/09 @ 12:22
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Don't see why the score has to be higher for Persona 4, agree with some of the observations in the review. Found I couldn't get on with Persona 3 FES which I bought on the back of the gushing praise on the forum, so each to their own.
GamesProgrammer
19/03/09 @ 12:23
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Do all the Persona games work ok on the 60gig PS3, im quite interested in getting these .
toythatkills
19/03/09 @ 12:24
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Eight is a fair score. I've finished the game, I love the Persona series, and eight is fair.

I wouldn't give the review an eight though. Lord does it drag on. It's obscenely wordy. I'm sure it's so you can sell more advertising, but still. Saying in three paragraphs what it could and should say in one. Using a register that appears to be more about showing off the writer's vocabulary than analysing the game. Irrelevent references and comparisons throughout. Factual errors. Paragraph upon paragraph of explanation of the games systems without telling us whether or not they're good. Three pages long and the criticisms fit into a few lines at the end?

Is this really written for Eurogamer's target audience? I'm thinking not.
lempriere
19/03/09 @ 12:27
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Really well written review! Fantastic game, btw.
Chtulie
19/03/09 @ 12:30
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A few note on it's PAL presentation:

The style choices in the game a re a little diffirent from P3; the real world is a more realistic looking making for a bigger contrast with the unreal world.
With a big tradeoffthat whenever something moves in anything but the smalles enviroments they OH MY GOD THE BLURRING! Whenever something moves onscreen, or everything if it's the camera, excapt in the small enviroments, there is absolutely massive blurring of the moving object.
El-Dev
19/03/09 @ 12:32
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PS2, probably still the best console out there.
legendmir
19/03/09 @ 12:37
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how can you review this game and not mention those god damned instant kill spells which will make you lose hours and hours of grinding? :(
toythatkills
19/03/09 @ 12:39
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If you don't carry Homunculus it's your own fault!
ZuluHero
19/03/09 @ 12:40
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is it too late to get in on this series now - do you need to play all games in order or do they work stand-a-lone?

The latest EG review has tickled my interest (as well as a few diehard EGers) but would it all be a little too impenetrable at this late stage in the game?
Schiraman
19/03/09 @ 12:43
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I'd be tempted to get this, but I still haven't finished Persona 3... great game, but it does drag on towards the end.
Chtulie
19/03/09 @ 12:43
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So far, the only Euro Shin Megami Tensei game released that is not standalone is Digital Devil Saga 2. The rest: Devil Summoner, Persona 3 & 4 and Lucifer's Call are all standalone.
ZuluHero
19/03/09 @ 12:48
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Thanks Chtulie,

So which is best 3 or 4? :)
Colin8703
19/03/09 @ 12:51
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Anyone know if the PAL version has a 60hz option?
legendmir
19/03/09 @ 13:00
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@toy that kills

unless im mistaken there arnt hormunculus in this game? PLEASE TELL ME HOW I GET THEM!!!!
toythatkills
19/03/09 @ 13:06
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Get Homunculus in gold chests, or from the shopping channel (may be the sticker prize, I can't remember, I'm sure there's a week you can buy them though)
CaoSlayer
19/03/09 @ 13:07
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"Probably the last great PS2 game?"

I have heard great things of Devil Summoner 2, although I don't hold my breath since the first one was not that great.


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I think that the game deserves a +1 for being budget priced and including the soundtrack.
stevetuck
19/03/09 @ 13:13
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10 YEAR LI....ah sod it :(
nick_f
19/03/09 @ 13:19
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Another request for BC info - has anyone tried this using the PS2 software emulation on a 60GB PAL PS3?
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HiddenAway
19/03/09 @ 13:19
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You lot haven't seen the 6 it got from Play :p
CordableTuna
19/03/09 @ 13:30
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I really tried to like Persona 3, but I finally succumbed to boredom at around the 20 hour mark, after realizing I had played for an hour without making a single meaninful decision or fighting a single interesting battle. Persona 3 had a strong start, but after a while you end up in a situation where you're slowly making your way through a maze where everything looks the same, fighting monsters that pose no threat to you. Then you go to school, where the object is to add points to your skills by listening to conversations you've heard before. And watching the loading screen every 15 seconds or so.

The game would be perfectly fine if it was trimmed a bit. I think Persona series seriously needs a Director's Cut.
lennon
19/03/09 @ 13:30
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Plays fine on my 60gb ps3
Ninja_Tino
19/03/09 @ 13:31
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It does work on thr 60gig ps3 but it doesn't display in the lower left box where you are or what you're going to click on. Not a big deal, just an annoyance. Also, some saves can get corrupted so use multiple files. Although, corrupted saves can suddenly work when you retry them, but still, better safe than sorry.

And yes, I have seen the play review. It is one of the worst reviews I've ever read, and that includes player reviews.
Crofto
19/03/09 @ 13:32
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Haha, 8? And you have the nerve to rate Fable II (among other unworthy games, I might add) 10/10?

You can't have it both ways kids.

Persona 4 > You.
mingster
19/03/09 @ 13:38
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Its a good game its definately better than persona 3...
But it does suffer from being a bit too drawn out.
It could do with being trimmed slightly so there's less periods of nothing to do.
Chtulie
19/03/09 @ 13:40
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@ Zuluhero.

Dunno. I only played a bit of P4 when my copy arrived so I to make sure the disc was ok. P3 I haven't finished.

It's Atlus, small print runs, high used game prices. So I think a brand spnking new copy of P4 will be the cheapest.

(something to keep in mind: all these late gen ps2 releases are very cheap anyway. I haven't seen a new ps2 game over 35 euros since the beginning of fall last year)
Demiath
19/03/09 @ 14:08
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One of the more well-written reviews of P4 so far, and the score seems just about right. I love all the small improvements over Persona 3 - which I felt was flawed and overrated - but like its predecessor, the slow pace and sheer length of the game can cause boredom and frustration (P3 took me 90 hours to finish and so far I'm roughly halfway through P4 at about 50 hours in total).
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spimmy
19/03/09 @ 14:16
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I got this a couple of days or so ago its pretty good so far about 9hours or so in just starting the to unlock the hot springs area
its kinda slow at times but its more slow paced than i thought it would be
FenderMaster
19/03/09 @ 14:36
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Didn't really like Persona 3 (I must be the only one) and have yet to finish it.... I just got so sick of dull Tartarus level grinding...

Not sure if I'll give this a shot...
Krelle
19/03/09 @ 15:18
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Would like to play this some day when Ive grown old and have alot of spare time.
2055 cant come soon enough.
Dillinger
19/03/09 @ 15:49
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a warning to those impatient:

the review says 2 hours of button clicking.. i found it to be about 3 and a half hours before i actually got the 'ability' to open the in-game menu's. (y'know, like equipment/options/quit to main menu and all that)

until that point, it didnt really feel like a -game-, more like an overlong intro. like watching an anime where the dialog has pauses inbetween and its all done from one camera view.
i think there was... 3? fights in that 3 and a half hours of 'button pressing'

other than that, im enjoying the originality of it. its certainly different. and I -think- the game has started proper now, so looking forward to the randomised dungeons..
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19/03/09 @ 15:57
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Someone tell the reviewer to set the dialog to auto-continue in the options menu, then you don't need to press a button to get people to speak the next line.
Scimarad
19/03/09 @ 16:21
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I loved Persona 3 and this is probably as good (some would say better) but I found it a little to similar to hold my interest. Most of my time in P3 was spent fusing personas and, for some reason, I got bored of that pretty quickly in P4.

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