Schappert would love to see MGS4 on 360 Comments by Robert Purchese

Exactly, *predicts PS3's doom next year.*

"You may have the power, Schappert...but you don't have the storage. "
With NXE's HDD instalation feature, that issue is no more a problem.

Apparently if you install a game to play on your console then its a failure.... :(

It doesn't just come down to power or storage, what about Sony's references/products and Apple's products?

What about the controls? No more jiggling Rose's boobies or shaking the sixaxis.

"With NXE's HDD instalation feature, that issue is no more a problem."

Not with all those HDD-less 360s, and you'd be pushing it with the 20GB. Only MMOs are able to require the hard drive, and it'd be a big turn-around to make an exception for MGS4.

MGS4 has a Metacritic average of 94 and a 92% average on Gamerankings.

The 8/10's from EG and Edge were by some margin the lowest scores it received globally. Just like Halo (lol)

I see ten other 8/10's for MGS 4 on gamerankings, so the margin is zero.

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/9...

@ Vertius: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?art...

Of course the Xbox 360 could run MGS 4, there's nothing on either the PS3 or Xbox 360 IMO that couldn't be done on the other provided the developers have both the time and money to do it. I think that's pretty evident from the exclusive and multiformat games I've played on both systems.

The PS3 has the advantage of Blu-ray and a standard hard drive but MGS 4 is broken down into five chapters each separated by a 2-3 minute HDD install, perfect for a 5 second disc swap. In my experience, there really isn't that much different between the PS3 and Xbox 360 in terms of performance, the 360 perhaps has the slight edge on the graphics (generally better anti-aliasing) and the PS3 possibly has a better CPU.

I hope MGS 4 does come to the 360 like BioShock did to the PS3... seems unfair that single console owners should miss out on great games and IMO MGS 4 is a great game, one of this year's best so far for me. :)

No more jiggling Rose's boobies or...

What, what, what?

Oh for fuck's sake, we don't give a shit. Just port it and be done with it, if that's what it will take to shut everyone up.

Id rather my balls exploded into flames then see MGS4 go to the Xbox.

IN MYYYYYYY OPINIONNN anyway

@Gazza_UK - I'd be careful what you say if I was you... ;)

Flame-grilled testicle, anyone? LOL

/touches balls dearly, and makes a huge effort to erase that image/

Ffs, it doesn't matter if the 360 can run it or not, the 360 version would be butchered.

Alot of things would have to be removed or they'd get sued by Sony and Apple.

ill take one..

Not everyone will be applying for that, however, and not everyone will part with the expense.

Besides, the royalties Microsoft charge on multiple DVD games are horrendous, if they're not exclusive games. Unchanged, MGS4 would be on five DVDs at least, and with changes, perhaps down to two or three. They're is still a storage issue, despite how minimalised Microsoft is attempting to make it.

@jack_klugman.

If you call Rose on the codec, you can jiggle her tits with the Sixaxis, it would have to be removed along with shaking it to change the Octocamo back to its default camo.

I don't get that "sued by Sony"; in Open Season (360) game for instance, there's a big screen during credits in the "Thanks to" where it says "We would like to thank Sony Pictures"; than again Vaios say "Sony recomends the use of Windows Vista Premium", I mean, the idea that the companies hate each mustn't be true, imho.
On the other hand, I don't realy know what your're talking about as I didn't play the game.

so by 'worldwide demand' he means 'didnt sell as we hoped'

In-game PSP & PS3 consoles, PS1 references, Apple Ipod/Laptop, they'd all have to be removed along with MGS 1 stuff.

Not with all those HDD-less 360s, and you'd be pushing it with the 20GB. Only MMOs are able to require the hard drive, and it'd be a big turn-around to make an exception for MGS4.

I'm pretty sure, also, that MS won't allow mandatory installs for anything but the most exceptional (i.e. MMOs) cases, too

@Vertius

Just for my information, is there a source for the royalties that Microsoft charge for games on multiple discs? It sounds like a totally outrageous thing to charge developers for.

*Is therefore most probably true*

"On the other hand, I don't realy know what your're talking about as I didn't play the game."

Snake uses an iPod, all the computers in the game are Macs or Macbooks, there are some codec conversations involving some "You have to change the disc now... Oh, wait. You don't! We're on a Blu-Ray disc! Dual-layered, too!" moments, a certain familiar foe tried to search for your memory cards, and was disappointed if you used a Sixaxis rather than a DualShock 3, and finally, if I didn't forget anything, Snake controls the Metal Gear Mk. II with a PS3 controller.

Also, Metal Gear Online uses a very obscure system that doesn't even involve the PSN. They'd have to rebuild it to work on Live.

"PSP, PS3, PS1 references, Apple Ipod, Laptop, they'd have to be removed along with MGS 1 stuff. "

The PSP, PS3 and PS1 references if you mean by way of showing those consoles would, they can simply change the names if they are referred to in the ingame text, they can easily ask to licence an iPod image from Apple if they so wished, or then again just make it look like a generic mp3 type of player, same with the laptop, doesn't need to be branded, and the MGS1 stuff could be left in as thats not owned by sony, but by Konami instead and if they want they could throw that in anygame they wanted. IP rights can easily be avoided :-)

Ha, I forgot it used the PSone emulator to run the MGS1 section.
Microsoft would blatantly want the Zune in there instead of the iPod.

Bizarrely enough Sony don't seem bothered, they're more interested in investing in first party titles. If they keep churning out games like Uncharted, Wipeout, Warhawk, ICO etc, that's fantastic but at the same time they're being very niave if they think third party titles like MGS aren't important when people decide which machine to buy.

Both Sony and Apple compete against Microsoft, their products are advertised in MGS 4.

Kojima couldn't put MGS:TTS stuff in it due to it being on a Nintendo console.

"Also, Metal Gear Online uses a very obscure system that doesn't even involve the PSN. They'd have to rebuild it to work on Live."
Final Fantasy XI also doesn't use Live.

Guess they would have to replace some of the jokes, but I see no problem with the iPod and Mac use. We have a Mac with windows at home ;)

oh, and you should take a look at Major Nelson's site, he is a MS employee and a major iPod fanboy...

"Just for my information, is there a source for the royalties that Microsoft charge for games on multiple discs? It sounds like a totally outrageous thing to charge developers for."

They don't, the pressing plant charges you per DVD though so more DVDs=higher per-unit manufacturing cost. Yes it's only 50p or whatever, but for a two million seller that's two million extra pounds you have to budget for.

That's what Carmak was moaning about basically.

Let them port it, let's see it get slagged off and get poor review scores due to it being butchered.

It'll suck, just like the xbox version of substance, I'll stick to the superior version thanks.

Disk swap or Install? Decisions, decisions.

"It'll suck, just like the xbox version of substance,"

There was no XBox version of substance, fantard. And MGS IV won't suck any worse on the 360 than it does on the PS3; that is instead of watching an old Snake Pilliskin smoke after an hour or so of incomprehensible cut scenes you get up off your lardy tard arse and swap disks.

"Fantard," lol.

Yes there is, look up MGS 2 Substance on xbox.

Thanks for that, Garulon. I thought the fella was wrong. That extra 50p will probably translate to an extra fiver on the RRP for the game, if it ever came out. No big deal, either for consumer or the publisher.

"Is that a new article that has trolling now? How are we supposed to keep this civil when even news articles are going "look, it got 'only' 8/10!""

Most articles by Rob have unnecessary digs about something - I think he's an angry man trying to stir up the fanboys for kicks :P

"miiiguel: You're absolutely right, Bioware owns the IP, not MS. So there you go, Fender, chances are EA might get round to commissioning a PS3 version if someone points out how many $$$ they might make from it. "

Bioware more or less stated that they had no interest in brining ME2 and 3 to other platforms than the pc and 360, partly because the sequels build on what you did before it.

"Alot of things would have to be removed or they'd get sued by Sony and Apple. "

Ah, you make three odd assumptions. First you assume that Apple or Sony (NOT sony games) has an interest in suing. These products where implemented for the sole reason of advertisement. More copies == more advertisement. Suing also hurts brand names so companies rather settle outside court. A more likely scenario would be that the contracts would be renegotiated. In this fanboyism plays no role, only money talks.
Second, you assume that the makers of the game are some sort of complete n00bs with formatting contracts. Companies this big have massive legal departments that specialise in creating contracts. A safer assumption would be that they anticipated the remote possibility of this and included it in the contract.
Third, you assume that they wouldn't easily alter things. The ipod i.e. could just as easily be replaced with a zune i.e. These are not complex programming overhauls that we are talking about.

@Xerx3s

thanks alot mate for being realistic THANKS A BUNCH

I've given up caring, this gen is nothing but a joke.

PS3: Hardly any games/loses just about every game.

360: Steals games/not happy with the exclusives its got/greedy.

Wii: A gimmicky kids product/lacking decent games.

I regrettably own all 3.

Microsoft would never allow any references to Sony in any games on the xbox360 (and vice versa). So yes, they would all have to be removed. It has nothing to do with Sony making a decision whether or not to sue... it's a basic guideline.

I was so hoping for a Valkyria Chronicles review before the end of the week, and I all I get is Schappert flapping away :(

there is alot of sony gear in MGS 4 but what the hell are they going to do with the DVD piss take cut scene take it out or make up new lines?

something like The cell lolz or blue ray (spellt wrong) is to slow for us.

anyhows great game right amount of cutscenes and gameplay , still not sure if the 360 could pull this one off in a perfect conversion but hey you never no

Ok lets turn it around, say the 360 had MGS 4 exclusively and it had MS products in it.

MS would soon sue if it was ported to the PS3.

@ wingzerosys: don't take this the wrong way, but you should try playing the games for the sake of it. If you start playing a game and thinking at the same time "damn, those 360 users and their fancy graphix..."; or "FFS I hate that PS3 and its huge amount of data disks...", you will spoil your precious time.

"MS would soon sue if it was ported to the PS3. "

Ninja Gaiden Sigma (the XBox Original port that the PS3 could still only barely run) had XBox references in it, didin't it? Microsoft didnt' sue then.

"Microsoft would never allow any references to Sony"

Pro evo 09 has them...

I think they removed that protoype xbox.

Miiguel you talk shite.

Snake lives, Meryl gets married, Big Boss dies, Ocelot dies, there was no Liquid, Eva is Snake/Liquids mother, she also dies, Naomi dies, Zero dies, Patriots get erased, Vamp dies, Raiden's got a son (john), everyone else lives.

There, no need to play it. Lol.


This should shut them up, there no need for a 360 port, let the PS3 have atleast one decent exclusive.

chip on sholder, huh?

Nope, my shoulders are chip free. Lol.

You do sound annoyed though...

/imagine a dude kicking things around and screaming "dam treeeee six teeeeee!"/

Why do I? Is it because the PS3 is failing due to MS? MGS 4 should stay PS3 exclusive, that's all.

because you lost your cool there for a moment, that's all.