Rock star slags off Guitar Hero News

Is it weird that I think Guitar Hero is harder than real guitar?

lol. playing a plastic instrument in time with a video game is nothing like playing a real string instrument? wow. what a genius.

Mayer sounds like a really smart guy... *cough*

worlds most generic Guitar Hero complaint

slow new day eh?
who's this Mayer person anyway?

(btw. started with GH, loved it -> got a real guitar, loves both)

"Playing FIFA isn't the same as winning the major footy trophies for yourself."

- Bobby Charlton.

"Cooking Mama isn't the f**king same as cooking a f**king omlette for your f**king self, alright big boy? Three lamb, table 4."

- Gordon Ramsay.

"Mario Kart Wii isn't the same as racing ghosts and tie-wearing monkeys for real."

- Mario.

Etc...

yes we know.. but it is also 100000 harder. Some people (like me) do not want to learn a real guitar... I already have plenty of other skills to learn ;)

To be fair, looking at the gimps who post videos of themselves "rocking out" to GH3 tracks on YouTube, I can see his point. Those cretins genuinely believe they have guitar skills because they can complete Through Fire and Flame on Expert.

Thats enough John Mayer

No John, it's a videogame, we're pretending.

I doubt I could single-handedly fight off invading aliens, do a McTwist, beat up a creature twice my size or manage a premier football club.

Pretending see.

Who?

Anyway, my other half is always telling me that if I put as much time into practising my real guitar as I do playing Guitar Hero, I'd actually be quite good (and she might be right), but at the end of the day, I play GH because it's fun. He's kind of missed the point there...

To be fair I don't think they think they have guitar skills, they just think they're very skilled at what they do which they certainly are. the only thing is, if they'd spent as much time learning a real guitar they could be half decent (I know mastering a guitar takes years but they could at least be competent). And that's a real shame in a way since I read something that Hugh Grant said to Noel Gallagher years back, that playing a guitar is such an amazing gift since (unlike acting) it's one of the few talents in which you can just walk into a room and amaze people and keep them entertained. I don't think playing guitar hero has the same effect.

I say this as a guy with as much musical talent as a gnat. If I could have back all those years playing games I could probably learn an instrument, be cracking at some half-arsed martial art and learn a language. It's not something I really regreat as I did other stuff, but with something like guitar hero it seems even sadder since the two skills are so similar. If someone was really smart they would come up with a cheap guitar and software where people get the enjoyment of guitar hero's lights and entertainment with the solid discipline of playing a real instrument. I would definitely buy that stuff.

Oh for fuck sakes haven't we already been through this one like a million times!!!!!

NO guitar hero isn't anything like playing a real guitar but that doesn't stop it being fun or challenging.

Would people please stop trying to slag it off on this premise!!

edit:/ @macmurphy

I can see what your saying to a point, but i've tried to learn to play guitar, and in comparable times learning real guitar and learning GH i got a lot more enjoyment out of guitar hero's cos while i have the rythem and speed of fingers (which comes from having learnt how to play piano - a skill closer to guitar heros then playing guitar) i don't have the ability to contort my hands into the right shapes to hold decent cords on a real guitar.

John Mayer: only cared about now because he did the guitar solo in Fall Out Boy's cover of Beat It.

Some of us can't afford a Ferrari, John.

See you the analogy, right?

Surely they idea of GH was more about making the developer/publisher money than worrying about bringing the guitar playing experince to anyone !

I own both a Bass and An acoustic guitar have for a few years before i discovered GH, and have struggled with chords and just feeling it and going with it like i see my mates and my own father do........ it is a passion in me to learn and i often sit and play around on the bass but for me GH gives me that 30 mins pure adrenaline rush of feeling like a kick ass rocking dude, that may or may not ever be a reality for real......

its a quick fix for us wanna be rockstars, however i do think it builds up some finger strength and finger placement techniques.... guityars are more fiddly but by christ can my fingers ache just as much from playing GH as they do when i play on my bass and guitar........

either way no matter what people say it rocks big time and has a massive following........

AWTFIH?

How about "Hard Core Guitar Hero"?

Guitar "controllers" at your local music shop!

Comes with a wireless tuning device for you guitar "controller"!

Six analog strings!

... I doubt we're better off pretending to be rock stars with our plastic guitars... :)

Oh christ. Take the most boooooooring comment anyone could make about GH, and then hear it coming out of the mouth of a celebrity. My ears are crying.

The two are simply not the same thing. You might as well say that washing your car on your driveway is not as good as learning to play the trumpet.

We are all on this earth for about as long as we can force our fragile bodies to breath air in and out, and so long as you are happy and not hurting anybody, who gives a flying f*ck how you get your kicks.

By uttering his pointless and predictable opinion, John Mayer has hurt my sanity. If I play GH I can bet his sanity will escape unscathed as a result. So by my reckoning only one of us is going to (imaginary) hell, and its not me.

P.s. I play guitar as well, plus a few other instruments. This is irrelevant, which is kind of my point.

More to the point who cares who John Mayer is. Other than the fact that he is the guy that can't play the solo the way it was meant to be played in Beat it, so had to do his own shite version

Why is Ellie fwapping over pictures of Jessica Simpson?

I've only played Guitar Hero once, but as a proper guitar player I found it a bizarre and pointless game/experience.

I think those making the FIFA/Mario Kart comments are well off the mark.

It wouldn't be hard to develop games which would help develop true musicians.

Has any John Meyer music popped up in any of the multi-million-selling GH games? I think somebody's upset they're not being handed some free money.

Guitar Rising - Guitar Hero for people who can play guitar.

I have to disagree with the notion that real guitar is difficult or boring to learn. When I was still a nub I was roped into a crap punk band which greatly accelerated my skill growth with the instrument, and (at the risk of sounding horribly cheesy) I learned a lot about people, money and life, made a lot of new friends and acquired more skills than just how to play guitar.

I understand that gaming is about escapism and experiencing the impossible, that's why I game too, but why would I pay for a simulated version of something I can experience in real life? And don't argue that you can't, because in that instance it is more a case of won't than can't.

Why is Ellie fwapping over pictures of Jessica Simpson?

I may not be in with the lingo nowadays but what does fwapping mean?

*quick google*

Oh dear!! You lot should be ashamed of yourselves!!

Jessica Simpson, nice comment, new perspective :D

@Mattdamon : It wouldn't be hard to develop games which would help develop true musicians.

Well you already have Singstar and Rockband which on hard setting do help develop your singing.

Plus Rockband also genuenly developes drumming skill one of my friends is a very good drummer and loves playing RB on expert.

You could make piano hero but to "develop musicians" it would be more of a teaching program then a game, as you could simplifying it down to say 10 keys but again that wouldn't do a grate deal to improve peoples playing beyound being a way to exercise your fingers. You could maybe do an octave per hand but your still looking at getting people to site read realy music as reprosent 14 keys in a friendly "game" format would be tricky.

Why can't people just leave these GAMES alone and just except that they are just a GAME!!!!

@tvcasualty

as i've already mentioned I tried learning real guitar and spent about a year trying and just couldn't get the hang of cords. Maybe it's just cos i grew up playing piano so my head works better better with "key" interface instruments (played clarinet for a short time with much more success then guitar) however finding fun modern music for piano or clarinet is alot harder then guitar, with keyboard parts to the type of music i like being boaring as hell! But I can apply my piano knowledge to playing guitar heros and with that i have alot of fun!

edit: damb sorry about double post expected someone else to post while i was typing!!!

"It wouldn't be hard to develop games which would help develop true musicians."

That isn't the point. Some people simply aren't interesting in actually learning an instrument, and there is nothing wrong with that. You could create a game that teaches you to drive, but for some people it wouldn't be as fun as just playing Burnout.

Pilot Wings isn't a realistic flight sim when compared to many out there (some of which could arguably give someone a basic lesson in actual piloting), but they are aimed at different markets.

The fact that GH doesn't teach you to play a real guitar in NO WAY devalues it, in the same way that Shadow of the Collosus is no less of a title just because it doesn't teach you how to ride a horse. if you don't find it fun, then thats fine and its your perogative. But its job is not to teach anyone to play guitar, so to accuse it of not doing so is pointless and hollow.

John Mayer? I'd rather rub sandpaper in my ears

*misses the point*

Guitar Hero doesn't teach you how to play guitar, but it does teach you to deconstruct music and see how the pieces fit together, which in turn is a very useful basis for learning to play an instrument. Harmonix never said that Guitar Hero was a tutorial tool, but that it was meant to inspire people to understand music better, and maybe try the real thing.

In conclusion: cock.

@Greychapter

Same reason you do? =)

It's kinda weird how Guitar Hero draws out these kind of statements. In other news, Evander Holyfield says Punch-Out is perhaps a tad less-punishing than going 12 rounds with Tyson, Valentino Rossi suspects that playing a bit of MotoGP won't provide all the necessary skills to win the World Championship, and leading surgeons recommend that even particularly good Trauma Centre players shouldn't get stuck in with a scalpel the next time one of their relatives looks a little peaky.

I'd suggest we take this expert statement and apply it to all games with guns and/or cars in them.

I'd prefer the amusement park car, to be honest. More fun, less imminent death and having to actually learn to drive. Same with Guitar Hero, even the death bit :P

'Is it weird that I think Guitar Hero is harder than real guitar?'

Yes. Very.

John who?

"John Mayer: only cared about now because he did the guitar solo in Fall Out Boy's cover of Beat It. "

Oh dear. Already I'm concerned.

I'd like to see this sucka complete Dragon Force's song on Expert....

Also, me learning to play the guitar doesn't sound like Queen playing out of my tv.

People underestimate how hard it is to actually learn real guitar playing skills.

I mean, unless you're absolutely obsessed with the game, the chances are that even if you did completely replace Guitar Hero with teaching yourself guitar, you'd still only end up one of those annoying people who has a guitar, says they can play it, claims to be in a band, but in reality can only actually play Seven Nation Army... Over and over again.

Yaster, When you have collaborated with Eric Clapton and had a pretty successful musical career, I would start listening to your music opinions, until then please be quiet. As much as you all hate him for his comment, he is actually a very talented guitarist.

But too the comment, yes its a bit silly. Playing GH is nothing like a real guitar, but surely thats the point? I play the guitar, and I also like playing Guitar hero because its fun with my mates.

sorry for the lack of intelligence with this comment but what a prick!!!

nothing can compare to actually killing loads of people with real guns, instead of doing it on COD4. MUG

If there were as many real rockstars as guitar hero players in the world he would probably be out off a job. So he should rather be thankful.

Thanks for that, John. Could you also let us know if having a go of the real Jessica Simpson is better than fwapping over pictures of her on the Internet.

Matron!

@Psiloc. Yes, it's weird. Guitar Hero is a different skill to playing a guitar entirely, and whilst it is hard. You can get good at guitar hero with several hours of practice. It takes years of practice to get average on guitar. If you want to compare controllers, consider that guitar hero's guitar has 1 strum bar and 6 buttons, vs a real guitar which has 6 strum bars, and 126 buttons (at least), and that even just fretting a note on a real guitar consistently can take weeks of practice.

ps. I don't see anything wrong with folk wanting to chill and play guitar hero. I do question the folk (like the guy with the 100% Dragon Force record) who dedicate masses of time learning to play a toy guitar, and who clearly have exceptional skills and timing. If they dedicated the same amount of time to playing a real guitar, they'd probably, over time, become quite competant. It's that that I do not understand, when it goes beyond purely passing the time and becomes trying to be the best of the best, just go learn the real thing and open up decades of enjoyment.

pps. As to why Guitar Hero draws these comments moreso than other games, could it be because there are so many fools out there that post videos of themselves playing guitar hero onto youtube, and claim, like Psiloc, that it's actually harder than playing a real guitar.

Why can these people never understand that Guitar Hero is just a high tech version of Air Guitar? It's fantasy. You never hear them saying idiotic stuff like: "But Air Guitar was devised to bring the guitar-playing experience to the masses without them having to put anything into it."

It's a fun game to quote these people's comments back at them with the Guitar Hero -> Air Guitar substitution. Hopefully at least some of them see the idiocy in their statement.

@kangaraatoo

I'd take your point, if it didn't seem to me that Guitar Hero is in fact, harder, and surely much less rewarding, than simply learning the guitar.

If I'd to put the same effort in to learning a football game or a racing game as I did to learning the real thing then I would go and do the real thing.

That's the difference here. Simulations are great, just not when they are as cumbersome as doing the real thing.

I'd like to point out that Mayer is basically a giant, walking vagina.

3 of my mates play the guitar and they all say GH is much more difficult that the real thing. So on that basis John Mayer is a pussy and wont give it a bash as he knows he will be muck at it. And his music sucks.

I wouldnt mind sticking a plasma grenade on his head actually.

Or taking him out with my chainsaw assault rifle.

Maybe blow him away with my BFG.