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Lars will have to close his eyes whilst people digitally download Metallica music. Bless him.

Metallica? Pioneers of thrash? You gotta be kidding...
Look further back to Venom, Slayer et al...

Besides the tally's haven't made a decent thrash album since Justice in the 90's

Slayer - Show No Mercy - December 1983
Metallica - Kill 'em All - July 1983

I'll give you Venom though.

Remember kids - home taping is killing music.

Venom were not Thrash Metal, they were Black Metal; they even baptized the whole genre with their first LP.

I Sincerely F**king hate these over-rated, over-paid, under-talented pieces of shit.

edit:
sorry that just looks like a message to insight an argument, but they really irk me.

Metallica died the day that Mr. Bob 'death of integrity' Rock laid his smothering hand on the band.

I will hate Bob Rock until the day I join the great moshpit in the sky, then I will continue to hate him for eternity.

RIP Metallica.

Metallica > comments like this : "I Sincerely F**king hate these over-rated, over-paid, under-talented pieces of shit."

Metallica are living breathing legends. Learn some respect!

Metallica long outgrew trash metal, lazy journalism by the BBC! Bloody fools and anyone who thinks Bob Rock ruined Metallica is a short-sighted, narrow-minded fool. Cop on and listen to the music they made. It doesn't have to be always 10 minute long, double kick drum induced mania to be heavy. Ever heard of musicianship???

You may respect them, they lost mine many years ago.
I just don't like them(both in terms of music and the other stuff) you obviously do. thats fine obviously a lot of people do, i don't. Like i said I'm not trying to incite an argument. There is none.


Interesting back story, i'll give them that

EA really have missed a trick not getting Rockband out for Christmas over here :/

Metallica's new single? That'd be Violin Hero!

OK that was cruel. The pro/against Metallica debate here is interesting. I don't think Bob Rock is to blame - what were Metallica doing while evil Bob was busy ruining their music?

That said, I love everything including The Black Album. There were some decent tracks on both Load and Re-load, contrary to popular belief and the critics.

I just want an explanation and my money back on St Anger!

I think it's fairly obvious to anyone with even a passing interest in Hard Rock / Metal music that Metallica have been a shadow of their former self after the phenomenon success (and great musicianship) of their Black album.

After that their only interesting releases were the Garage Inc. covers album (with the original from their early years still a bit better) and the S&M live with orchestra album, both with no new material of theirs; IMHO the less we talk about Load, Re-load and St. Anger the better...

Anyone heard the first 'new song' demo released last year? I think it's great. Still has a smattering of the St Anger sound, but for the most part more like a mixture between MoP and TBA. Any opinions? Has me pretty excited about the new album actually.

@JonFE:
S&M had Human and No Leaf Clover...

St. Anger was a waste, and I agree that Bob Rock wasn't to blame...
He hasn't got anything to do with the new album AFAIK and their "new song" sounds like St. Anger all the way...

Besides, weren't metallica speed metal?

istandfreed you are talking Horsebollocks. As soon as Metallica started working with Bob Rock they chose the route of money over music, and any fool with an ounce of musicality would know that.

They dropped everything they did down to the lowest common denominator. Shitty plodding 4/4 beats, cookie-cutter chug-chug riffs and Kirk Hammet stuck in an eternal pentatonic loop. Fucking appalling music made for an audience that dont appreciate the nuances but want something loud so they look cool/uncool in school. The sort of sellout that makes me literally taste bile in my mouth. I love music and musical intergrity and they shat all their integrity out.

Bob Rock broke Metallica and reformed them in his own image, he wrote and even permormed on part of the black album, and his involvement grew from there.

So he wasnt involved in St. Anger? By that time Metallica had so many people writing their music/wiping their ass/bathing them in Evian that they didnt know what Music was any more.

Watch the documentary 'some kind of monster' and you'll see what a pathetic bunch of has-beens and sellouts they are.

'And justice for all...' Was the last album Metallica made. This new fake Metallica doesnt deserve to use the name IMO.

@ farticusmaximus

Jesus, dude, get over yourself. Some people like Metallica. You don't.

We get that.

JonFE hit it on the head for me...

@JonFE : Agreed. But all I am saying is that SOME songs on Load and Re-load, while not quintessential Metallica songs, DO sound good to me. The albums as a whole were below average, however.

farticusmaximus, you sir are an idiot.

All I know is that when I finally saw them at Download 18 months ago, I almost shit myself with excitement and joy, they were pretty much perfection, and they played Master Of Puppets in its entireity, now that was a fucking show.
With them and recently Machine Head under my belt, I've now seen every big Metal act live that I've always wanted to, I can die a happy lil mosher :)

IMO you are the idiot for falling for what Metallica now call music.

It just makes me angry when something as good as Metallica were can betray all their fans and indeed their own integrity and standards (Quote: "We will NEVER make a music video") just so they can make more money.

Sellout has-beens.

you're a Megadeth fan now aren't you? :-p

I'm a fan of lots of different music, folk, funk, fusion, 70's prog rock, thrash, death, speed metal, hip-hop, hell even bulgarian wedding music! (wanna see something cool? - google Ivo Papasov and his bulgarian wedding band!) Pretty much most things except Pop.

I also loved Metallica and think 'and justice for all..' is one of the best records ever made.

"Bob Rock broke Metallica and reformed them in his own image, he wrote and even permormed on part of the black album, and his involvement grew from there."

Now thats just downright unture!

Where'd you get that horsecrap from?

Bob Rock played bass on St Anger and thats it. As for Bob Rock 'writing' some of the Black album?

I'm sure you're a lovely chap and all that but get your facts right before you type.

Shock horror, different people have different opinions.

I for one am in the Black Album awesome, one of the best albums ever, selected other songs good, most other stuff crap...

As for other people telling people they are stupid for liking a certain kind of music... ha ha ha, how ridiculous...

By the way, my fave band is SOAD, laugh at me now...

Vroom,

Bob Rock is not just someone who listens, mixes and advises, he shapes whatever (brand, not band) he produces. This is the way when high profile producers get involved in bands, it was inevitable from the moment he came onboard.

As a massive Metallica fan at the time I followed his involvement quite closely and it was plainly obvious that there was as much Rock as Metallica in the black album.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying 'like this' or 'dont like that'... I'm arguing that Metallica were fundamentally changed, and dumbed down for mass audience when Bob rock got involved. If you like it that's your perogative.

S&M gave us the best Metallica song since the Black Album in the form of No Leaf Clover. That song was one of the highlights of the Wembley concert back in July. Simply stunning.

I also demand an answer for St Anger though :-(

Farty you clearly do not get Metallica, Why having spent the whole of their careers doing what they wanted to do, which no doubt was part of what attracted you to them in the first place would they suddenly say "Bob we love you, remake us in your image pls oh pls sir!"

Metallica do want they want to do and write whatever music they want to write, its part of what makes them great. If you don't like the music fair enough but do not blame Bob Rock or anyone else for Metallica changing. Finally when you've come to terms with your own shortcomings, go research Metallica and find out the truths about them because you are only speaking about what you've contrived in your head.

farticusmaximus

Your opinion is your opinion and that just fine. And healthy.

I did however take issue with your inaccuracy that is all.

Do you still think Bob played on the black album? Strange a Metallica fan might think that.

Metallica are the Halo of the rock world.

@AcidSnake: I stand corrected, but somehow those two songs did nothing for me :|
BTW I wouldn't call them speed metal, that's a term I'd use on Anthrax (first EP and LP), Agent Steel or Helloween (with Kai Hansen on vocals) to name a few (I classify a combination of speedy tempo with clean, high pitched vocals as "speed" vs. speedy tempo with aggressive vocals, which is "thrash" for me).

@sanctusmortis: Thanks!

@Talha: I agree that some songs on Load/Reload are passable (yet pale in comparison with their back catalog). However, I'm not sure if that's just me trying to find an excuse for the money I spent purchasing them :)

Wow you know reading some of the "rock experts" opinions on this page is a real eye opener... I no longer need to listen to anyone elses opinions on music, not to be hypocritical but I feel pretty good about my musical tastes compared to others.

I will say though any metal fan who doesnt give Metallica their props for what they acheived well thats just not right... how can you be a metal fan and not see they deserve some respect?

Calgon, they sure deserve a lot of respect for their contribution to metal, however they've done their best to undermine it (with the whole Napster fiasco in particular)...

Vroom, sorry yes you are right. Rock played bass on St. Anger, not the black album as far as I know.


istandfreed... my what a naive view of the music industry you have! I lived and breathed Metallica and their peers, and in fact the whole metal scene and the industry behind it, all the way from Kill 'em all.

I was there on release day of the Black album, along with about 12 of my mates who were rabid Metallica fans. We all went and listened to the album and came back with exactly the same comment. 'Shit, metallica sold out.'

Money money money my friend, it makes the world go round. It also drives creatism and individuality out of music. Bob Rock knows how to shape bands to fit into the money making 'popular rock' category, it's his job for christs sakes and credit where credits due he popularised Metallica good and proper.

You obviously like the new metallica, well I like the other Metallica, but there is no way they are the same band and that's due to one person.

JonFE: Ah yes well there is that, well off the stage they might not be the kind of guys youd think they were, but that just shows they have honesty(they dont spend money giving themselves an image or preach offstage about other matters like they are world leaders, that always goes wrong eventually anyway they just be themselves) they dont pretend they arent in it for the money, they obviously love music but they put the work in for the money at the end of it, not just the fans love(Id be the same and so would you I bet lol).

Btw I do prefer everything up untill the black album but Im not about to turn around and say they are crap now or have lost it, they are still the same guys perhaps this new album(Ive not heard any of it yet bar a poor youtube live video of one song, so dont spoil it or give me any opinions on it) will show us just that.

i saw them live last year when they played at my uni.

The only good thing that night was working behind the bar meant I didn't have to pay to listen to their shite.

Everyone to their own I guess.

the_sas_man they played at a Uni-bar last year? Which Uni? and why the hell would they do that, arent students too poor to buy tickets?

Calgon, I have no problem with them being in for the money - I wish I could do it too. It's just that we, Metallica fans, have been waiting since 1991 for a really decent come back album, one that can proudly stand among their classics and they constantly deliver below our expectations.

I mean, with all that money, they have all the time and none of the day-to-day worries, to sit down and compose/record some of those excellent songs we know they can compose, yet they release something mediocre like St. Anger, which seems to have taken a couple of days from start to finish, and expect us to be grateful about it.

@calgon

I went to UEA (Norwich uni)

JonFE I dont like that album either infact Ive refused to listen to it properly but its not like they owe us anything theyve still given you plenty of great albums(more than many other bands have managed for me personally) to listen to if you look at it my way. They might have just wanted to try something different, no need to feel angry just dont buy it and they'll get the message ;)

I dont like being a "fan" of any band because it kind of spoils music sometimes, I just know who I like, which albums, which tracks(theres also some bands that only have one or two songs that grab me. I dont expect them to deliver what I like about them every time but if they do then good on um :) but if not Im not gonna sit and force myself to listen to all their stuff just to call myself a fan because thats not how it should be IMO) and I leave it at that because its all music, nothing more(even though music is something very important to me too I can still see it for what it is).

You can't do the same stuff you were doing 10 years ago, artistically (or technologicaly).
What I think is, does Metallica (as we know) make sense in XXI century?

People, this is a Eurogamer comments thread! You should be bashing eachothers favourite console, not discuss music. More PS3lol and less Metallicalol.

Calgon, I can see where you're coming from and you're right, they don't owe us anything. They may owe something to themselves though, but, I guess, that's for them to figure it out...