Resistance 2 at 720p, 30fps News

Better than Halo 3 then?

What does KTB mean?

things are in a sorry state when 720p at 30 FPS seems impressive :(

I'm really against mandatory installs on games consoles. If you've got a 20GB you're pretty much fucked by your 5th game purchase!

Typical fanboy responses:
"You can buy a new HDD for X amount"

You shouldn't fucking have to spend more money once you've spent your cash on the system in the first place just to play standard games.

"Just un-install it when you've completed it"

Again, you shouldn't have to. The beauty of consoles was that you could get you're mates round whenever and easily play any game from your collection without have to un-install one game to install another.


It might not seem like a major issue at the moment, but I'll expect plenty of not very vocal 20GB owners pissed off in about 6 months. It wouldn't have been so bad if Sony had stated this from the outset, but obviously they didn't.

lol, I hate to sound like a fanboy, but remember when Sony were saying the "real next gen" was 1080p and some stupidly high framerate? And now it turns out, when the PS3 has been out for more than long enough to stop using the old "release titles are always dodgy" excuse, games are still coming out at a standard which has been the "barely acceptable" level for PC gaming for about the last 5 years.

"things are in a sorry state when 720p at 30 FPS seems impressive :("

That's what you get when console manufacturers rush tech to the market. This gen simply isn't up to HD.

edit: despite clever marketing spin, HD Ready (720p) isn't HD

OMG STFU KTB

KTB = kill the bullshit? lol

The 1st Resistance was a crap fps.

I see the usual suspects are at it again then. :/

The first one was lack-lustre at best. It fancied itself as a Halo beater but the only thing remarkable about it for me was the glass-breaking effect! It was a competent enough attempt, but rather bland with shit enemy designs. (and oh so very brown)

Still, I played it thru to the end and didn't trade it in, it's still sat on my shelf. In all honesty tho since I completed it I've never even put it back in my PS3.... maybe I should have traded it in after all!

If they can learn lessons from the first one (and actually pay attention to their competitors) then maybe, MAYBE this could be better the first decent exclusive on the console.

They say they are aiming at 720, doesnt mean they will get it running at that. Not that its a problem for me as I dont have HD tv... .. but i wouldnt be surprised if that changes towards release. If they do achieve it then i will be impressed, just because of the number of games recently that had lower resolution and upscaled.

"targetting" - So 576p @ 24fps then?

I also seem to remember Sony saying 1080p and 120fps was what the PS3 was going to be capable of!
Lies, lies, lies!

i remember when Microsoft denied there was RROD problem..


Lies, lies, lies!

The first one
Resistance The Fall of Man
was
1280 x 704

So I think Resistance 2 will also be the same

1280 x 704 because of full 64x64 fitting nicely into 1280x704
( 20 x 11 squares of 64x64 pixels - very good for cache in RSX and extra Cell postprocessing)

@ SpaceMidget75:

I pretty much agree with you there. I've been screaming to ThreeSpeech about this for MONTHS! That any of the PS3's HDD sizes are far too small, considering what you can get on X360. I agree that, if a console is to become one's 'media hub', then surely it needs to have more than a measly 20GB, right? Wrong! Sony don't seem to agree...or is it because it keeps the still inflated price tag of the console down?

Developers should give gamers an OPTION - not force HDD installs on them because they're being rushed to release the game and their programmers never quite managed to get that (to coin a phrase) Load'n'Play routine working properly to load data in the background, while the gamer is still playing.

As for R2 and it's res and frames...well...that's just pathetic, isn't it?

three news items from the same interview? come on...

"despite clever marketing spin, HD Ready (720p) isn't HD"

Since when?

When did screen resolution become the most important thing on earth? It's possibly the cuntiest thing ever to moan and wind people up over.

"Since when?"

Since always. 720p was the shitty not-quite-true-HD-that-they-have-in-Japan type of HD. It is higher definition but 1080p is true HD.

This is going to be epic .
The resolution and frame rate is good enough .
I prefer HD installs but it shouldn't be mandatory .

That was me!! i asked the install question which i thought was valid. Oh i remember the days when a console game meant you put it in your box and it worked, (cries a little inside).

BobsUncle , show me the difference on any tv smaller than 60 inchs and ill agree with you.

@jcmtavish: Yeah, you're right, screen resolution aint particularly important, unless it's so low that it starts looking crappy, which 720p isn't. I think people comment on it less because it's an important part of the game, and more because Sony kept going on and on about how important it was and then it turned out their console couldn't handle particularly high resolutions anyway.

or any resalution above dvd to be honest.

Edit, game wise that is, dvd's and blu ray look fine.

Nithron

Your full of shit much like the other plums writing stats which you've read somewhere, Its early days!

So 720p is no longer HD then? What muppet/idiot/moron/ignoramus said that?
Good luck with that.

I really hope the term True HD (1080p for the interested) in terms of gaming comes back to haunt Sony for a long time to come.

Bounty_Hunter, im not looking into getting into a slanging match with you, but wasn't the ps3 sposed to have 2 hdmi out ports because itr was so powerfull it could play twice through it's ports in effect. And now 720p 30 fps is considered good performence?

EDIT bad spelling and i don't care!

@Bounty_Hunter

You make yourself look like a sad fanboy when you call people names for quoting back EXACTLY what Sony said so forcefully when the 360 was released. I'm a PS3 owner and I can see that the Sony specs are nowhere near the claims thay were making. This is going to haunt them for a long time to come so you'll just have to live with that fact.

You what, Bounty Hunter? I didn't say any "stats", I said Sony claimed PS3 would handle 1080p. You saying they didn't?

I don't care if it's early days, I don't give a shit what resolution it runs at, I was just pointing out why everyone mentions resolution - not 'cause it's important, but because Sony were acting like it was.

I'm pretty sure that the PS3 can do an arcade perfect rendition of Hard Drivin' in 1080p @ 120fps.

:¬p

/runs

2008 target render:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTe_eLZtcqg

Shouldn't we expect 720p? And really now, 30 FPS is the bare minimum for a shooter. This will surely lead to someone assembling a YouTube montage containing all of Sony's bullshit about 4D and 1080p for everything juxtaposed with this crap. Heh, I bet they end up lowering it to 612p anyway. Cell Processor's really coming through, huh?

"Since when?"

Since always. 720p was the shitty not-quite-true-HD-that-they-have-in-Japan type of HD. It is higher definition but 1080p is true HD.

ER? you say its not HD then you say it is!!!!!!!!! make your fkin mind up!!!!!!!! 720p certainly looks like HD to me unless their is something wrong with my eyes

As for resistance yet another next generation game running at only 30fps-what is it with this generation with so many games running at only 30fps FFS -why is 60fps so hard to achieve? i can think of hardly any games that run at 60fps -forza 2 does i think and gt5 prologue-but that game is so full of slowdown you wondrwhy they bothered-oh well maybe the next generation will be up to the mark.

"As for resistance yet another next generation game running at only 30fps-what is it with this generation with so many games running at only 30fps FFS -why is 60fps so hard to achieve?"

I had arguements over this years ago when gamers were arguing that 60fps will become standard this gen.

The fact is, there's always a trade off between framerate and detail. Hence for the next generation of consoles (after 360 and PS3), you will still see many top games running at 30fps. :|

I think true HD, and true next gen graphics can be found on the PC. so i have been told :)

720p @ 30 fps is the minimum I'd expect from a PS3 or Xbox 360 game (so none of this sub-720p rubbish, thank you) but I'd rather have a more detailed game packed with effects than one severely compromised to run at 1080p @ 60 fps. Let's face it, neither the Xbox 360 nor PS3 are really powerful enough to run *all* games at the expected image quality at 720p nevermind 1080p so in that respect both Microsoft and Sony lied about or rather exaggerated the power of their respective systems. Yes, they can run 1080p games but usually they have relatively simple graphics (PSN games, Virtua Tennis 3) or horrid framerate problems/screen tearing (Lair, Ninja Gaiden Sigma). Also not many people own 1080p HDTVs compared with those that own 720p ones so 1080p as a standard for games is simply not a requirement for this generation. Perhaps when the Xbox 720 and PS4 are released we'll finally see all games supporting a minimum of 1280x720 native and many running at 1920x1080 but until then 720p is absolutely fine IMO.

As somebody said it will probably be 1280x704 which is like 712p...
As for the 60 fps vs 30 fps debate,graphics whores are to be blamed.
Next-gen will be the same story unless 60fps rendering becomes a must(0.01% chance).

@des - 1280x704 is actually 704p not 712p since HD resolutions are measure only by their vertical resolutions not their horizontal ones. Thus 1280x720 is 720p and 1920x1080 is 1080p.

The thing is the Xbox 360 didn't support 1080p at the beginning. Sony filled us with crap about 1080p & 120fps. Now, at June 2008, the 360 supports quite reliably, through gpu upscaling, 1080p for all games. The PS3 on the other hand...

720p and 30 fps is just fine. Look at COD 4, Halo 3, GTA 4 etc.

I don't mind, but I would give my left nut to hear Sony come out and say, "We were full of crap when we said 720p isn't HD and the Xbox 1.5 couldn't hold a candle to the power of the Super Computer that is the PS3".

I'd give my right nut to hear the PS3 Fanboys who laughed at the 360 eat their words now. The PS3 is a lot closer to the PS2.5 than the 360 is to an Xbox 1.5.

Here we are 2 1/2 years into the life of the 360 and the PS3 still can't beat it in graphics capabilities. Every year it's the same thing. Wait 'til next year or the next game etc. Take a look at MGS4... It's graphics certainly aren't a step up from anything else on the market. Fanboys will say, "wait 'til FF XIII...". It's always wait wait wait. Wait 'til 2012. What's the point if you have to wait to 2012.

Anyway, I wish Sony eat some crow. They tried to destroy the 360 with their lies like they did the Dreamcast. It didn't work this time. I can't imagine people will believe the lies when the PS4 comes out, but then again there is probably a group of PS3 fans, that will believe almost anything.

"ER? you say its not HD then you say it is!!!!!!!!! make your fkin mind up!!!!!!!! 720p certainly looks like HD to me unless their is something wrong with my eyes"

No, he says 720p is not-quite-true- HD, higher definition than standard definition. Higher definition isn't equal to high definition. And whether or not you can tell the difference between 1080p and 720p or not doesn't change the fact that one is the HD standard and the other is an intermediate state to be able to bring lower cost sets to the market under the clever moniker of HD Ready.

What is that smell?

@Darren

It is 712p in the same way as MGS4 665p,it has roughly the same number of pixels.
To say that it is 704p is like saying MGS4 is 768p.
That is what i meant...

"720p and 30 fps is just fine. Look at COD 4, Halo 3, GTA 4 etc."

Hehe, not really the right list for that statement dude. COD4 is 60fps but sub-720p (but above awesome), Halo 3 is sub-720p (but better looking than most 720p shooters), and GTA4 averages something pathetic like 24fps.

According to Wikipedia 720p is a HD resolution. SDTV is 480i or 576i, EDTV is 480p or 576p and HDTV is 720p+.

At the risk of sounding like the SDF, I really don't have a problem with 720p rather than 1080p, and I will always prefer a rock solid 30fps to a choppy/tearing 60fps. I know we were promised a lot more though.

Better than Halo 3 then?

You wish

@des - I'm still not clear on what you're trying to say. HD resolutions are *only* defined by their vertical resolution not their pixel density. 720p is typically accepted as being 1280x720 according to HDTV standards so 1280x704 isn't 712p it's 704p in my book. 480p is 640x480 or even 720x480 (4:3) and 852x480 (16:9 widescreen), 576p is 640x576 or 720x576 and 852x576, etc., etc. Thus games like GT5 Prologue which run at 1280x1080 are still 1080p games book since the HD definition does not mention horizontal resolution at all, only the number of vertical lines.Of course 1080p HDTVs have a resolution of 1920x1080 which means that ideally all 1080p games should be but their is no set criteria for the horizontal resolution so whether a game runs at 1280x1080, 1440x1080 or 1920x1080, they are still technically 1080p games.

And, yes, if MGS 4 has a vertical resolution of 768 lines then it is 768p. ;)

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I bet if somebody did a next gen update of vib ribbon, that would look amaziongly crisp and smooth, run at 1080p and 120fps.