Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition Comments by Dave McCarthy

"Actually smelly it is mostly crying Nintendo fans in a rage of disbelief that anyone could give Resi 4 an average revie"

Well they have to understand that resi 4 was great.

But:

a) we've all played it before now
b) apparently the controller doesnt work properly on this version


So if b is correct (not played it myself - and have no intention to because i've already own it on the cube, which works on the wii) - then 7/10 sounds about right.

I see no reason for myself to buy it again.. some extra levels or *something* wouldnt have gone a miss.

(okay i'll read)

@Manic mouse : "Nintendo's big idea for the next gen? Re-release the GC (games and all) with motion controls, apparently."


Erm.. this is a capcom game.. it ISNT a nintendo game. So why's this nintendos big idea? Quite possibly most retarded post ever made.. well done!


"Right. That's it. Not going to bother with the Wii much longer now. Having not played RE4 up to now, I think I'll buy the PS2 version for my PS3."

If you have a wii, why not play the cube version? Which looks better than the ps2 version, and wont have the software emulation problems of the ps3?


"So, what's next? Mario gets a 8 and Metroid gets a 7. Then will you people learn?"

Since when has a game getting 7 or 8 made it not worth getting?

The Wii is no good for people who live in a pig-sty.

The GC version was better Yellowtruck.
If you ignore the controls and use dual sticks I reckon £25 could make this the definitive version. All the PS2 extra stuff combined with GC graphics plus Wii mote for those who like it. New customers are in for a treat.

You know. I've just read a load of other reviews which say the wiimote makes this better.

Now i dunno what to think. Normally trust EG's reviews.

Ho hum, doubt i'll get it anyhuws played it to death on cube.

Mapster wrote:What is this 'universal acclaim' people speak of?

Are all the reviews in for this and I've missed them, or are we still waiting for most of the reviews from the big hitters?

Looks like only EGM, C&VG, and ONM(UK) (lolzorz) have reviewed it so far.

Never thought I'd find myself agreeing with smelly, but he's right. This thread has been taken over by xbots shouting about how shit the wii is and how great HD is and how it's the future and the wii is shit for not having it.

It happens to every Wii news/review/preview article, don't these people have better things to do instead of trolling the net on threads about a console they've never owned or even played?

that is the argument of someone who doesn't have HD and a stupid comparisson.


I'm not sure how many times this needs repeating. "HD" has been there all the time in the form of the PC. People were playing high res Far Cry and Doom 3 a long time before RE4's release, and before many more AAA "last gen" console games. Hell, some even hooked up their consoles to their PC monitor (response to people saying HD is less forgiving).

Of course nobody cared much about the resolution because the games still looked great. And even if they did care, hey, these were the console's tech specs, no use whining about it. Even the very recent review of God of War II on this very website doesn't have a single negative thing to say about its graphics.

But of course now, with every single Wii game there just has to be complaining, even with a gorgeous game like RE4. Probably because they simply cannot stand how successful that silly little console has become. Stick it to the man.

This review is a disgrace.

It would not surprise me if it was written with the sole intention of increasing hits and registrations. Slag off your readers favourite game whilst starting a console flame war at the same time and watch hits go through the roof. I know I have only registered because of it.

As for the game, I have the Japanese version imported and it is the definitive RE4 experience.

I could understand if the game got a 7 based on it being an old game with a better score not justified because of slightly better controls, but saying the controls are worst than dual analogue is just a lie invented because the reviewer doesn't like the Wii. It's as simple as that.

Either that or the reviewer has a severe disability which restricts his/her ability to hold and point a remote.

The game got 9,9,10,10 in Famitsu ffs. The controls are not broken. The reviewer's mind is.

DrDamn: I think the weight of the opinion is that the reviewer didn't get on with controls that a lot of other people did. He can't up his own score based on other people though surely? The score is his opinion and experience, not someone elses.

True. But assuming that he doesn't get on with the controls in RE4 there is a slight possibility that he doesn't get along with the Wii controls at all. If that is the case then I seriously doubt his ability to review Wii games fairly.

Maybe it's a dumb comparison but when I let a race car driver review motorbikes who simply doesn't get along with bikes I doubt his bike reviews will be very satisfying.

I doubt that the other major reviews get anything from rating the game higher than it should be rated. Especially 1up which are very hard on Wii games and the general Wii controls praised the controls for a change so that has to mean something.

7 is still a good score though but I think the game got it for all the wrong reasons.

Exactly.

This guy shouldn't be allowed to review Wii games if he found the controls worst than dual-analogue. He is the first person I have ever heard say this online, and there are some pretty thick people around the internet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKq2R-qJHi0


did nobody watch this video i posted a few pages ago? from around 1 minute onwards you can see somebody playing the game and the controls look as sharp as can be. i'd say from viewing this that i cannot understand where the reviewer is coming from. I guess i wil find out myself in a few weeks though.

oh and definitely check the headshots around 2:20 in

The whole thing reads like bitter tears. All of the 'I thought the Wii was supposed to make things easier? Well it didn't, so I was right to claim it wouldn't' stuff in the conclusion sounds like the daily troll thread on any forum.

I wonder when Wii game reviews will finally stop being reviews of the system. Gamespot and Eurogamer in particular seems to find it necessary to mention the Wii is not HD as often as possible in their reviews.

It's like those early DS reviews that would go off on a tangent about 'how beautiful the PSP's screen is'...

Listen up Eurogamer - the Wii is going to win this generation. You're going to have to deal with this.

Well none of us can say accurately either way as we havent played it.

But getting upset at a review is a bit sad (especially if you havent played it yet to know either way).

Please, lets leave the whinning about games reviews to the 360 owners when the halo 3 ends up being crap or something.

it's got a 7/10, which in my eyes still makes it worth buying. And for the record i think the same about godfather wii too.

BUT I personally wont be buying it as i already have it on the cube (which the wii plays)

Why anyone was that interested in Resi 4 on the Wii to begin with is beyond me.

I mean, who hasn't played this game yet, whether on GC or PS2 it's still the same game. There'll be a novelty period with the Wii version as you swing the 'mote around like a loon but after that's worn off you're left with a three year old game that you've exhausted.

And I think it's pretty telling that the two biggest (and possibly best) games on Wii (Zelda and this) are both GC games with tacked on motion controls. Where are the Wii exclusives and new IPs that show what the Wii can do that the GC couldn't.

As it stands the Wii serves so purpose...

Erm the best (Reviewed) games on the wii so far are mercury and strikers.

Oh and to add to the stupidity of your argument - Where are the ps3 exclusives? It's been out the same time as the wii.

The best wii games will be out this christmas (same as on the other 3 platforms)

no, morriss, halo 2 got a 6 because it's aged badly. Resident Evil 4 hasn't, which is why it got a 7 even when the reviewer couldn't handle the controls.

I wonder if that holds true if it was released on the pc.

Like the art style. What is the goal of the game? getting the seed to another plant?

Let's just all agree that this review goes against the grain of public opinion and leave it at that. It is after all his opinion, blame Eurogamer for letting someone review the game who can't get his head around the Wiimote. It's like letting a pig farmer judge a beauty contest, you just don't do it.

The public opinion that we're talking about is generated from people who haven't actually played the game. All you're really saying is that the review is unpopular, but I'm sure most of us don't read reviews for entertainment. The 'I've played it an it's fine' criticism is valid if true (this is the internet after all), but there are only 1 or 2 of those in the entire thread.

"Good luck turning in time to get that guy at the edge of the screen. You'll need it."

In any version of this game, if the guy with the one-hit kill is standing right next to you swinging at your head, you are going to die. There was never any way to turn fast enough to hit someone standing directly next to you before they hit you. (Really, close combat is never a real option in any RE game, with the possible exception of RE2 on the N64.) And complaining about the loss of strafing? It's like the reviewer never played RE4 on either system and assumed that any perceived failings of this version must be new to the Wii version.

"It's like the reviewer never played RE4 on either system and assumed that any perceived failings of this version must be new to the Wii version."


But surely if the failing is on the other 2 as well, it doesnt stop it being a failing?

@ GTRMP

"In any version of this game, if the guy with the one-hit kill is standing right next to you swinging at your head, you are going to die."

I disagree quite often a swift knife stroke would delay your imminent demise long enough for a retreat, requip of flash grenade, release of grenade, instant re equip weapon, grenade goes off, line up shot, SNAP head shot! Job done! Apart from the dude with the double chainsaw, who well you just couldn't let that fucker get close... rule of thumb just don't let em get close anyway...


I wonder which is better resi 4 Gamecube with gamecube pad or Wii version with game cube pad? That large aiming reticle looks out of place!

well you could all read the CVG review for a different take on the control system.

The point is, the reviewer here clearly did't get along with the seperation of the aiming and moving controls, and the need to co-ordinate both.

And you know what; you may also find it confusing and less accurate, who knows.

In any case, this is something to comment on AFTER playing the game.

That said, the review here does come out too anti-Wii (or wii-dissapointed), when it should clearly point out that any (apparent) control shortcomings are a result of design dessisions of the Development team that may have been wrong, and not because of the harware technology at hand.

Not as bad as the default controls for the PC version!

(Until you get a mouse patch, and the updated textures - then its the best)

urgh shaka the ps2 version is horrible. Nasty low res textures coupled with some god awful stretched 16:9.

Clearly if this has the extras from the ps2 version, game engine cutscenes (Which looks a hell of a lot better anyway) and the option for controls which may or may not be good fun, then this is clearly the definitive version. All for the insane price of £18 (if you've got a usa wii), I've ordered it anyway and will be getting this, I've heard nothing but excellent opinions.

I don't know why people are so shocked eurogamer did such a bad review, does no one remember that sensible soccer on xbox got a 9/10...

"Nintendo always makes bad quality systems".

Wrong. Super Nes was technologically superior to everything on the 16 bit corral. Gamecube was capable of better graphics than the PS2 (as seen precisely in RE4) and the propietary format made pirating harder. If anything, Nintendo has been consistently at the same if not slightly above technical/reliability level as anybody else. If you exclude the XB360 and its failure rate... whoops.

I've got the game on import so I already know how good the controls are but here are some quotes from non-retarded reviews for the rest of you:

Gamespy:
"The reason that the Wii version is the best is because the new control system makes the gameplay more enjoyable. Using both the Wii remote and the nunchuck, players will be able to perform all of the regular moves and attacks from before, only now they can do them in a more sensitive, accurate and pleasing fashion."


cvg:
"
By dividing control of Leon's movement and gun use between two hands, Capcom has redefined the game's aiming system and freed the game from one of its former niggles. Now you can actually shoot your enemies' individual limbs, taking out heads or legs, with relative ease - something that proved frustratingly awkward on GameCube.

The pointer calibration here is so sharp you could cut yourself with it: even compared with Nintendo's own gunwork in the Duck Hunt-styled passage of Wii Play, it feels like there's greater precision in Capcom's handiwork. The crosshair visible on-screen doesn't shake (unless you're really scared and can't control your hands, of course) and there's no need to move your whole arm (unless you want to copy the hired stooges on Wii TV ads) - the result is an effortless and flawless targeting system that does exactly what you demand of it. "


egm:
"Though they suffer a bit when things get hectic, the Wii-mote-enabled controls generally serve RE4 well: Aiming weapons, swiping your knife, and shaking off face-sucking nasties with real-world moves adds urgency to an already incredibly intense experience."

Now either the reviewer is not skilled enough to master a pretty simple new control system or the review was designed for marketing purposes. The sad thing is that I used to trust Eurogamer reviews; I have no problem with the score of 7, but the content of the review is wrong and will put many people off a great experience.

"The 16:9 is proper anamorphic widescreen though, so it shouldn't look stretched.. "

Actually, anamorphic widescreen is always stretched, 480p is always 640 lines. The GCN version, even when manually stretched to widescreen, is still 30% higher resolution then the PS2 version.

But yes, the PS2 version is ugly ugly ugly. The lighting is obviously the biggest let down, but the gemoetry and textures are half a generation behind the Gamecube version as well. And it sounds like crap as well.

This reviewer is on crack.

@Nikanoru
"And even if they did care, hey, these were the console's tech specs, no use whining about it. Even the very recent review of God of War II on this very website doesn't have a single negative thing to say about its graphics."

Maybe it should have? Would that have made you happy? The Wii is more powerful than the GC - is it wrong to expect them to have improved the graphics?

"But of course now, with every single Wii game there just has to be complaining, even with a gorgeous game like RE4."

Times have moved on in what people expect from a home console on a large screen TV. I'm not saying RE4 didn't look great at the time. That was some of the best stuff you could get on a home console - at the time. There are limits to what it did though - constraints on what the artists could do. Those constraints are not there anymore. Yes PC's have been doing HD for a number of years, but you have to put it into the context of what is standard for a home console because of the price difference. Simple question - are the graphics dated yes or no? Why is it a problem if a reviewer points it out? A lot of the people considering the game will be people with other consoles and would appreciate the comments. If it doesn't matter to you then ignore the comment - simple isn't it? Each and every review is not personally tailored to you - try having some thought yourself.

"Probably because they simply cannot stand how successful that silly little console has become. Stick it to the man."

Right. All of my comments have been in response to other comments whinging about the opinions of one person - the reviewer. I've not made disparaging comments about the Wii itself either - I've got one FFS. I buy a console because I want to play the games on it - not to "stick it to the man".

This sounds sweet! Defo my next purchase, never played the original.

Thanks for making me look at other review sites for better reviews EG! :)

Shaka, is right the Wii is the biggest piece of shit in history, I don't know what made me buy one, I'm not even going to sell it, I'm just going to run my car over it, then burn my car, so as to stop this evil little machine from that faceless wicked Japanese company ruining anybody else's life.

Nintendo make shit systems - fact, nowhere the reliability quality of the PS2 or Xbox 360, Nintendo is evil, evil, evil, evil, evil and should die a slow painful death, thank you shaka, I am forever in your debt, for you have shown me the light.

I'm glad shaka was able to help my poor mind cope

Not very indicative of the game I know but for what it's worth gamespy gave it 100% heh

100%? So it's literally perfect in every possible way? I find that hard to believe.

gtrmp: "There was never any way to turn fast enough to hit someone standing directly next to you before they hit you. (Really, close combat is never a real option in any RE game, with the possible exception of RE2 on the N64.)"

*laughs out loud for a while, wipes tears*

Joke of the day, saves me a trip to the calendar. Having knifed just about everything there is to knife in Resident Evil, I'd say close combat is entirely possible. It takes some practise, yes, but is quite the option.

If you're not turning fast enough in Resident Evil 4, allow me to suggest using the change camera view/aim trick for fast left/right turns up to about ninety degrees. Also, think ahead during play to avoid these situations in the first place. Instances where enemies get too close usually involve the player needing a long time to aim, for example while enabling Wesker's or HUNK's special moves in Mercenaries.

"It's like the reviewer never played RE4 on either system and assumed that any perceived failings of this version must be new to the Wii version."


But surely if the failing is on the other 2 as well, it doesnt stop it being a failing?

Right, lets add strafing, jumping - hell, double-jumping - and a jetpack too while we're at it. Turning it into Unreal Tournament will totally help the atmosphere, for sure. Bunny hopping over the village roofs! Hah, take that, angry pitchfork crowd!

No, it's a design decision. Saying it's a failing is as retarded as saying Wind Waker's lack of realism in graphics is a "failing". Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a failure on the developer's side. That kind of comment is extremely stupid, and I see it all too often with many other games.


I got the best version to date the PS2 version and this is not worth it its an old game and it doesnt work for it.

Nintendo always makes bad quality systems (sorry Wii fanboys, but its true). They basically just redesigned the gamecube, and made the controller some gimicky idea that ended up going horribly wrong. I honestly don't see why people would buy this system when they could have a gamecube, PS2, or XBOX for a much lower price. It's basically the same system, except with horrible controls.


Oh, wow. Hahahaha, I'm sure you don't actually believe anything you just said. Either that or you're a 14 year old in "special" education.

Classic case of "retard or troll? Your pick".


@DrDamn:

Maybe it should have? Would that have made you happy? The Wii is more powerful than the GC - is it wrong to expect them to have improved the graphics?


Would that have made me happy? Are you sure you're reading anything I write?

Let's face it, there is very little difference between CG and Wii graphics that can be humanly perceived. For Capcom to go and upgrade each and every single polygon model just for a miniscule increase in quality would be a pointless exercise indeed. And with the true widescreen mode which nearly doubles the amount of pixels rendered (paired with the original, non-degraded graphics of the GC version), you're pretty much getting what you can expect from an average Wii game.

As for the rest of your post: Excuses, excuses. Let's say from now on we start each and every single x360 review with a paragraph on how it lacks motion controls. I mean, that controller is pretty last-gen. And let's do the same for the PS3, except we complain about the lack of rumble or on screen pointer, controller sync problems, and the fact that it is still the same re-design of the SNES controller that they've been using for the last three generations. While we're at it, let's add a paragraph to every review of each on how much noise the console's cooling fans make while you play, compared to the Wii.

No, we wouldn't. Because it's stupid.

It's been mentioned before, whining about the DS' so called crappy graphics in each review has all but ceased. Because it's pointless, that's why. And if you think there is a point to keep at it even six months after a console's release, well. You might just be more of a hater than you yourself seem to think.

*hi5s Nikanoru. Again.*

Same wavelength, I guess :).

@Nikanoru
"As for the rest of your post: Excuses, excuses. Let's say from now on we start each and every single x360 review with a paragraph on how it lacks motion controls. I mean, that controller is pretty last-gen. And let's do the same for the PS3, except we complain about the lack of rumble or on screen pointer, controller sync problems, and the fact that it is still the same re-design of the SNES controller that they've been using for the last three generations. While we're at it, let's add a paragraph to every review of each on how much noise the console's cooling fans make while you play, compared to the Wii."

I expect a review to look at key aspects of a game. Gamplay, sound, graphics, controls etc. If a 360 game would suit the extra control features a Wii could provide I would have no problem with them mentioning it. Similarly Gears on the 360 makes the machine sound like it is going to take off at times - if a review didn't mention this they wouldn't be doing a proper job. Comparing across platforms is not a problem. Whether you like it or not the Wii is a home console and therefore it's competition is the 360 and PS3. There are a hell of a lot of people with multiple platforms for which these sort of comments are useful. If you just have the one platform then take that into account and use your own judgement.

"You might just be more of a hater than you yourself seem to think."

WTF am I meant to be hating here? I have all the systems - DS, PSP, Wii, PS3, 360. I love each of them for what they do well. Take the blinkers off.

It's clearly not meant to be marketed or sold as a brand spanking new title, it's a rehash and they're not hiding the fact. It's cheap and cheerful and it should be treated as such. By all means mention that the graphics don't stand up quite as nicely in comparison but similarly it should be noted that they look damn nice for a wii title. Plus I'm not sure it should be marked down for it

Anyway as Nikanoru said, it's generally will look slightly better (I say slightly!) thanks to the true 16:9 support.

Dear Eurogamer,

Would you be interested in my template for Wii game reviews? Here's the first module:

"Let's get the obvious subject out of the way first: graphics. They're rubbish. Compared with the 360 and PS3, they look like a 90's graphics fashion victim. Oh, how I laughed."

Future review modules will include 'bah, my controls didn't work', 'advice for concerned parents', 'gamecube lol', 'friends codes are stupid' and many more. No reviewer necessary. Huge savings. Massive thread lols. You can use them time after time after time, because that's what readers really want.

Kind regards,

CB

Don't go thinking that I dislike the Wii or anything, btw. I'd just like every review to state that the graphics are inferior to the 360/PS3, just in case I forget or something.

"Don't go thinking that I dislike the Wii or anything, btw. I'd just like every review to state that the graphics are inferior to the 360/PS3, just in case I forget or something.
"


LOL.. you have a point there. Every ps2 review didnt have mentions to how shite it was graphically compared to the cube/xbox or even the dreamcast did it?

So why on every wii review do they have to let us all know it's not as pretty as the 360? Does the reviewer not understand that people who bought the wii may not actually be bothered by high def pretty pixels? I've been playing pc games for years - i personally dont give a flying fuck.

I play console games to have fun, as long as the graphics arent terrible ps1-style affairs then i really couldnt give a shit about them. And i certainly dont give a shit about every game looking "ultra realistic" - I like to be suprised by art work which isnt realistic. Give me cartoony "kiddy" stuff over reality any day.

So why do i need to be told in every review that the graphics would be better on another machine? I know! If i cared i'd have bought the other machine (which i have - but it's gathering dust). It's almost as if the reviewers have some hidden agenda some times.

and dont tell me they dont - it's not fanboyism though.. it's marketting led. They have to make money through adverts - if a company offers them X number of ads in return for bigging up their machine/game of course they will!

But i dont feel this review has anything like that. At the end of the day we ALL own this game already - so who cares?

Carrybagma +1

But i dont feel this review has anything like that. At the end of the day we ALL own this game already - so who cares?

I think that that is actually the reason why so many people complain about the review. They already know the game and do know that restrictions on movement etc. are by design. I can imagine a lot of people would find the missing ability to strafe quite tragic even if by design - it's different though with RE4 because everyone already played the game and thus knows that the missing ability to strafe is actually very essential to the game. On paper though that 'primitive' control scheme sounds bad and I agree. It fits the game though and that is something that is not mentioned at all in the review although quite important because it defines the game and creates the brilliant tension. People who already played the game know that and that is the reason why they and me included are a bit upset with the review; As if the reviewer did not understand why the controls work like they do but just realizing that they are limited compared to other games - which of course is true but no valid criticism. At least he did not complain that the main character was not able to jump although Lara Croft can do that.

Oh, but RE4 characters can jump at the press of a button too, and quite well... if they get the jump command that is ;). You know, dropping off ledges, hopping over fences and stuff.

Well I would need to try it, but watching the vid at gametrailers.com showed a guy walking around kneecapping each enemy then head shotting them on the greaound with routine ease, which doesn't point to a tough control mechanism to me.

As I am post 230+ I doubt many will read this, but I have to say that having 'got' this yesterday (don't worry, I bought it as well!) and playing it on my NTSC Wii I have to agree with what the reviewer has said about the controls.
Now where I differ is simply that it might take time to get used to them, but for an hours play he is SPOT on when it comes to being faced by a bunch of villagers, with one at the edge of the screen - it is a nightmare trying to get the analogue stick around and the Wiimote pointed at the same time!
The lack of strafe, the shaking for reload, the stuff about the knife all true.
BUT given a few days on this I might adjust - I completed the GameCube version (three times in a row!) and when I bought the PS2 version for the extra content I could not get on with the controls (my brain was shaped to the GC controller that much!), so the Wii is likely to post a steeper learning curve.
As I said this is one I have bought, so it is only right to invest the time to get to grips with it, but I shudder to think of some of the later boss encounters with my current cack handedness.

@cawley1

Buy a new game?