Rage may ditch dedicated servers too News

Woww... Didn't really see that coming.

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Follow the leader, bitches...!!! Another blow to the superior ultra epic master race and no, I am not happy with that.

Id used to be the leader, go figure.

They haven't made a good game since Quake 3 anyway.

I was actually under the impression that "Doom 3" was a great game, when it was first released... Not groundbreaking, but great nonetheless.

Et tu, Brutus???

What happened to you iD? You used to be someone I could trust.

Cooked up some bullshit story and dropped PC gamers into the meat grinder!

Mogs wins the thread.

iD, you son of a bitch! What's the matter?! Activision got you pushing too many PENCILS!

Everyone loves "The Predator" apparently...

Worrying.

Hope they change their mind before it comes out, as I certainly won't be buying it otherwise.

RUUUUUUUUN GET TO DA CHOPA! always brings a laugh on the l4d no mercy campaign

"They haven't made a good game since Quake 3 anyway. "
Haven't they only released 1 game since Quake 3?

Guess it's all goig to depend on what multiplayer involves. If it's just drop in/drop out style coop then dedicated servers would not be required. However if there is any form of death match or stand alone multiplayer rounds, then a dedicated server should be a must

No-one wants to pay for servers anymore.

Activision guy says that having no servers "improves that consumer experience overall by a significant margin"

So that's alright then.

well... When it rains it pours in PC land.

an ID multiplayer game dropping dedicated servers?

a bad day.

Rage will be shit anyway.

Hmm, this doesn't bother me as much. I would not buy Rage for the multiplayer anyhow. It looks like an interesting single player game though.

The vast majority of games are peer-to-peer these days, anyway. Granted, that's because of the shift to consoles as the primary network platform but it's the reason there's no need for dedicated servers anymore.

Noooooo!

what. the. fuck. ? Carmack is a tech genius, if anyone could pull off a working, low latency p2p system it would be him. But but but... jesus (carmack is jesus) surely he understands that there is more to the issue than just technology. We NEED dedicated servers so communities can form in a server, so that you know you can go somewhere well moderated and build up relationships with the other players. That's just impossible with matchmaking, you get left with a series of shallow fleeting encounters with strangers. Console players will never understand that as all they know is the shallow experience.

This is the stupidification of gaming in the pursuit of profits from the legions of casual gamers. Core gamers that supported and created these companies are being ass-fucked and left behind. All bow down to your new Wii Fit playing overlords.

So ID confirms RAGE is a consol game being ported to PC and will probably be mostly single player.

Yeah isn't this going to be a largely single player rpg type thing anyway with co-op thrown in rather than levels of corridors gubbins?

Errr I'm a total noob at this... but doesn't dedicated server code also means that the game is unplayable (unmodded at least) online when those servers (which are from the dev) get closed? Or is dedicated server interwebslang for people using their own servers?

ISn't that a BIG argument against dedicated servers? I can't imagine the horror of ET QW closing down for pc...

please explain if I'm wrong here.

@notmyrealname, it's pretty much the latter of what you said.

It's why the likes of Quake 3 are still alive these days long after the game is no longer supported by iD.

Ouch! ID then.. not .. ... but they invented... Doom.. pc gaming... fps... they... no... servers?

/does not understand and cries softly

id are wise, but they also need to make money, they'll do whatever works well and makes the most money.

Rage is more of a console friendly game than anything they've ever produced before anyway, it's nothing like Quake or Doom - games that were designed and built for the PC exclusively.

I will buy it anyway, because Rage isn't for multiplayer as far as I can see from previews. And for those who tell about no good games from id since Quake 3 - DOOM 3 is one of my favourite shooters. It's atmospheric, it looks and sounds great, design is perfect and polish is unmatched. So my next PC will be assembled personally for Rage next fall.

And again - do people really THAT much care about dedicated server and mods, especially in mostly single-player games?

"And again - do people really THAT much care about dedicated server and mods, especially in mostly single-player games?"

well, in a mostly single-player game, no, servers aren't that big of an issue (although I'll never forgive Bungie for dropping net game in Oni), but modding. modding should always be there. look around, if you see ancient gamest still going on, that's mostly due to mods.

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look around, if you see ancient gamest still going on, that's mostly due to mods.
I look around and see almost all high profile games make most sales on consoles, where are no mods. I see Dead Space with DLCs which are some reskinned weapons ans bumped damage. I see DLC lifting level cap in Fallout 3. All that stuff could be added by anyone using mod-kit, but there're no mod-kits on consoles, and these DLCs generate some good profit for publishers. Most developers aren't interested in mod community and longivity of their single-player games - they are interested im maximizing sales a year or slightly more after launch and then making sequel to sell some more. If people willplay some freeware mods, they're less likely to buy sequel or dumb DLC.

Dedicated servers these days are awesome 64-bit, which offer great performance.

Throwing back to p2p when not everyone have 64-bit machines, surely this must mean something! :(

lol, id are an irrelevance nowadays anyway.

companies will also make pc games with dedicated servers, even if the big guns decide to turn their back on them in favour of an obviously inferior solution. smaller companies will take advantage of any gaps left, and grow fat off the back of the communities that will form around any decent games that still do use dedicated servers.

mind over matter - no one minds this from ID because they no longer matter.. if its only some co- op team based play in this game ( which seems to be RPG world based single player type stuff ) then P2P isnt SO bad. Still nowhere near as good a performance as servers but for 2-3 people its ok.
If however they are intending to do anything quake style / deathmatch based then this decision is astonishing. Made on only monitary ideals and not on gaming ones. So if this is so - fuck him and I'll Dl the game to see the single player and then forget it ( if it gets decent reviews! )

Is it me, or is this REALLY clever marketing? I mean reading this strengthened my resolve to not by MW2 because of the idea it may damage the idea of dedicated servers elsewhere, but that would inevitably make me more likely to buy Rage for my multiplayer fix later, especially if before launch they get to announce they are going with dedicated servers anyway. Given the negative feedback so far it seems strange iD would be thinking "yeah, that's a good idea"

Fuck sake ... but then, like someone already said, iD haven't made a good MP game since Quake 3. Only looking at Rage for the SP myself.

OK, I can sort of see why this might appear sensible to IW, given how much they have invested in MW2 on consoles where dedicated servers don't occur. It's not sensible, it's fucking stupid, but I can understand how they might think it is. But Rage is PC exclusive, right? What the balls makes it better for iD to run thousands of their own servers to matchmake rather than code a small application that allows others to cover those costs? I mean really, what is the advantage for them? Why would this be attractive?

They can watch the response to MW2 all they want but I doubt rage will be as big as MW2. It might not be too significant in their case though. If rage isnt a multiplayer game ppl really care to play, then the few playing it might not care what kind of mp it has. I think Bad company 2 and cod4 will rule PC fps online for next year. BC2 is looking awesome and DICE is committed to doing it right on PC.

I dont think rage is a PC exclusive

Cherrio Dedicated Servers

BOLLOX - another stab in the back from a former pc powerhouse.
What are these exec wankers smoking in the boardroom?
Dedicated to non dedicated servers?

Make sure you go to the DICE & VALVE community boards & give 'em a big up for keeping it real.

Hey, maybe this is just a seasonal virus - like a digital piggie plague that turns former genius developers into money grabbing piggies with no loylalty or ethics?!

Problem is that MW2 is doing this and it'll sell bundles even if they neuter you along the way. So, the final figures will show that "the PC community was OK with P2P".

Never really used dedicated servers as my CoD4 days were as a "random" and I haven't touched any shooter since then. But... it's a betrayal from Carmack. Damn him and his megatexturing!!

Bad idea ID, RAGE will fail with such silly decisions..