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Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 Review

Review by Tom Bramwell

21 November, 2002

Activision recently signed a deal with Tony Hawk which means it has exclusive rights to make games based on the skating legend until the year 2015. That's a lot of skating games. That does give Neversoft plenty of time to come up with some new ideas, and that's just as well, because unless they do, THPS games numbered 5 to 17 are going to very shallow indeed. Judging by the progress made from 3 to 4, the developer has almost run out of ideas.

Same dog, old tricks

'Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4' Screenshot may01b

The draw distance has certainly been upped a little...

Tony Hawk 4 is no stellar leap beyond previous outings. That much is clear from the start. Hop into the first level, a 'College' level featuring lots of big, old buildings, car parks, ball parks, tennis courts and surrounding streets, and you could be forgiven for wondering where the last year's dev time went. In terms of graphics, gameplay and sound, THPS4 makes only incidental changes.

Graphics? Animation has been fine-tuned slightly on the skaters, but everything else still has that unmistakable Tony Hawk look to it. In-game NPCs smirk from behind low detail faces, their square arms clapping together whenever you impress them, cars (though you can now skitch and grind them) are still chunky and both NPCs and vehicles all move awkwardly. Level and in particular building textures are quite drab, and other than that there isn't much to say, although there are less glitches and clipping issues than previously, and it's as bright and eerily unreal as always. Ho hum.

Sound? Well the soundtrack is unremarkable - there are plenty of tunes drawn from many genres and many groups, both old and new. The youth of today will welcome Offspring and System of a Down's inclusion, whereas we've been nodding our heads to Sex Pistols and Iron Maiden. You'll find plenty more, but none of them fits the action quite as well as Ace of Spades did in THPS3, and you'll probably turn off many of the game's 35 tracks before you've even heard them.

All of which leaves the argument about how it plays.

This could take a while...

'Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4' Screenshot jul01b

The only character in the game with a skateboard for a foot

Neversoft has had to make some serious changes to the two-minute formula of old in order to keep up with the shameless mimicry of games like Aggressive Inline, and the most obvious change is the absence of a timer. THPS is famous for asking you to complete a series of tasks in a number of two-minute sessions. This was quite demanding, and made it rather difficult for newcomers to concentrate on mastering the ins and outs of a complicated control system, but on the whole everyone got the hang of it. But in the absence of a timer, all the urgency is gone. You're left to your own devices - you can stalk around amassing huge combos or simply grappling with the controls, depending on your skill level, but unless you wander up to an NPC with a marker over his or her head, you won't have any challenges to complete.

Neversoft highlights the non-linearity of this approach. It's quite right, it's nice to be able to pick and choose tasks, to give up on exceedingly difficult ones and to avoid high score goals until you can grind and manual around a whole level spontaneously. However, it does remove the 'zone' aspect - in previous games, you would often find yourself having a really good day, completing two, three or even four challenges in quick succession in one run, and it led to huge high scores on the leaderboard and plenty of back-patting. That's all gone now - it's one challenge at a time, and no kudos for toppling several in a row.

D-I-V-E-R-S-I-T-Y

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Seconds later, the skaters were quite red-faced, red-shirted, red-pavemented...

The challenges themselves are mostly unchanged - you'll still quest to find the S-K-A-T-E letters, and you'll need to tot up some immense combo scores to earn skater points to open new levels - but there are some nice new additions. A few that stand out in my mind are the checkpoint race (where your skater lies down on the board and races through cones in a time limit), the new C-O-M-B-O task (collect all five letters in one trick), the transfer-between-floats-in-a-procession one and the grind-and-knock-30-tourists-in-the-sea task on Alcatraz Island. There's enough diversity to keep you interested, and, of course, completing tasks often gives you skater points, a certain number of which are needed to open up new levels. There are also some mini-games (tennis, for example), but so far these have stood out for us as punishingly lame.

The good news is that the revamped Park Creator is more powerful than ever, and unlike a lot of 'level designer' tools thrown into console games at the last minute, pretty easy to use and very effective. You'll never match the sort of thing you see from Alcatraz, or THPS3's cruise ship, but there are lots of things you could do (like a zoo!) and it makes a nice change not to simply ignore this feature on the basis that it's crap.

Level up

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Handstands? For girls

One thing Neversoft has done between 3 and 4 is opt for a more realistic approach. Anybody who read our thoughts on Mat Hoffman's 2 will know that we don't think this is the way to go with skating games (you can hardly claim they're realistic in many other ways, can you?), and we haven't changed our minds since then. It doesn't help that THPS4's levels are now so huge and sprawling that the intimacy of old arenas (like THPS3's warehouse) is completely removed, and we'd argue that the layout of many is far from conducive to trick-building. There are many grinding opportunities, but it's almost as though there's too much to take in - the Alcatraz level is a perfect example. In one area, there are so many sharp edges that grinding around and maintaining momentum is actually more difficult - you can't ride the same route over and over because you can't easily predict where you're going, and before long you've caught your knees on a step and Tony's head is on the concrete.

The difficulty level is higher for many reasons, too, of which the level design is only one. The opening level, the College circuit, is often tough even for veterans, and we've thrown so much time at Tony Hawk that you would think we're dating. It's much trickier to keep a long combo going, and many of the tasks demand advanced tricks, skilful use of manuals, and using the wall ride to hop up onto elevated grinds. New tasks like having to complete certain tricks in a half pipe in time with a bunch of arrogant kids are devilish to begin with, and the one on the first level with the hobo and the pink elephants... We can't even finish that one yet, because the time runs out and we get stuck behind a grate - are we missing something obvious?

But we love it really

'Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4' Screenshot jul01b

Hop, skip and jump

It's difficult to be overly nasty to THPS4 though because it is still one of the very best skating games out there. Once you've become proficient in wielding the initially cumbersome controls, and picked your preference of analogue or D pad, things become a lot easier and a lot more fun - tasks seem challenging but not too so, and you can always just go and do something else, such is the beauty of the new open-plan level design. There are also some useful changes to the control system, although nothing as important as reverts were to THPS3 - you can now right yourself in mid-air, much as you can do in Aggressive Inline, by holding R2 (very useful), and you can use this to do insane spine transfers (which is absolutely necessary on the Carnival level, for instance).

Many of THPS' famous bonuses now lie within the confines (if the word is still applicable) of these levels - collecting cash is now an important aspect, because gone is the 'complete the game 10 times with each character to unlock a new suit' reward system. You collect cash, then you buy new toys (gorilla suits, new characters, even new levels) from the shop section. It may sound churlish to demand so little after asking so much in previous games, but it actually makes a lot of sense in a 'lowering the entry bar' kind of way. Or it would do, if the game wasn't generally much harder.

Adding to the general sense of fun though is the option to play online (via ethernet/modem on PS2, but not on Xbox Live or via System Link!) on Activision's servers, now with up to eight players. Of course there's still a split-screen two-player mode, with the same old tasks (King of the Hill, Slap!, etc) and this remains great fun, but going online with THPS is something the privileged few really stand to enjoy.

Grind or Grin?

Is there anything left to say? Definitely. We're guessing that newcomers are now wondering whether this is the game to rob them of their skating virginity, and those of you with as much vested interest as we have will be wondering whether this is going to do anything new for them. To the newcomers, we'd say no, don't go for THPS4, go for THPS3, which is happily available on budget for less than 20 pounds. Easier, tighter, brighter. Go now. The rest of you? It all comes down to one thing - are you bored of THPS3? Do you moan about it to your friends? Would you say you're now bitter, cynical and jaded when it comes to skating games? If you are, then THPS4 is unlikely to reawaken your passion for the series, but if you honestly do fancy more of the same in brand new arenas with a lot more actual content than previous editions, this is definitely worth your money.

A tough one to score then, but still unquestionably excellent.

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Tiitiz
21/11/02 @ 15:22
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Myself and work mates completed THPS3 with all characters to unlock the eyeball which to ages. THPS4 is quite a good sequel but you are right with suggesting THPS3 for newcomers.

st3ph3n
21/11/02 @ 15:32
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I first played THPS in virgin megastore in glasgow on a PS(X). I liked it so much I went to the video shop, borrowed a copy, and attempted to play it on bleem.

I wasn't succesful (3fps, really slow). But it eventually appeared on the DC, and the rest is history.

You can catch me in Argos tomorrow lunch time picking this up for £30 for the PS2.
Halo Jones
21/11/02 @ 15:38
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To finish the pink elephants you need to do ..

Nah, I won't tell you :)

As for the networking, it's Modem/Ethernet support.

Come on Mugs, get it right, did you actually look at the options? :)
rtr
21/11/02 @ 15:44
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Bought 2 & 3, I think Ill pass on 4,5,6..N unless something innovative comes along again.
pjmaybe
21/11/02 @ 15:44
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There's only so many times you can sell the same game, n'est pa?

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Nemesis
21/11/02 @ 15:48
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As Tiitiz mentioned in the foums and Krudster here, it's a shame you cannot continue to complete tasks within the 2 minute window, the most noticeable being the big scores. I can't remember how many times I've caught a trick over a gap, manual, grind, flip, grind and got a superb score within the first 30 seconds. Shame to have to start again.

I've also found the Controller S to really help in this game, which is something I've been bitching about to anyone that'd listen (pity the poor saps at my bus stop). The button placement on the original controller is just frustrating. Well, for me anyhow.

Still, I do miss the tight enclosed levels. The warehouse is still my favorite level. Ever. Just because they are capable of now rendering expansive landscapes ala AI, doesn't mean they *have* to.

The other thing I miss from the THPS2 style is the speed and the height on the vert tricks. Just getting as high as you could and fitting tricks in was cool. Now it's getting more and more of a twitchfest and it loses something because of this.

Characters are still as good as always, picking from some of the best around. Being able to mod your clothes and stuff sounds a little 'Ken and Barbie' but in reality you can get pads/helmets/glasses/clothes and define a character that is close to you and your style. You also get to pick some of the skaters range of products, which is nice. Birdhouse stuff, Bones Brigate/Powell stuff, you name it, it's there.

I generally get every THPS that comes out, but it's the thing I'm into. Get the Xbox version and benefit from the hardware extras. But only if you have the Controller S. Honest. Trust me.

Er. I rambled. Nice review Mugs.

Edit : Fecking grammar.
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Mugwum [staff]
21/11/02 @ 15:57
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"As for the networking, it's Modem/Ethernet support"

It is, too.

"Come on Mugs, get it right, did you actually look at the options? :)"

No, I just review games based on the colour of the box.
Blerk
21/11/02 @ 16:01
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No, I just review games based on the colour of the box.

Is that why so many Xbox games get bad reviews? Radioactive green. Ugh. :-)
Halo Jones
21/11/02 @ 16:29
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No, I just review games based on the colour of the box.

Wow! Maybe you could try just doing a review by looking at the manual :)

WideboyThin
21/11/02 @ 16:40
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If Neversoft learnt to properly light their levels the game would look twice as good. Good lighting and good poly structure (not poly-counts, usage) make so much difference, yet most developers over look this ... ?
pjmaybe
21/11/02 @ 16:44
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Neversoft could've done with looking at JSRF for inspiration on how to truly light a decent skating game...

Still, with Mr Hawks signed up till 2014, I think you can safely assume that you'll be seeing THPS games until the old bastard is in a bath chair...

Heyy...Tony Hawks Pro Bathchair...that could work you know!!

Peej
Tiitiz
21/11/02 @ 16:52
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Dont forget its a PS2 port which will be the reason for the low poly and pure lack of lighting. Ported down to PS1 and up to GC and Xbox. GBA is a different matter.
Mugwum [staff]
21/11/02 @ 16:52
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"Wow! Maybe you could try just doing a review by looking at the manual :)"

Yeah. We don't often get manuals...
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21/11/02 @ 16:53
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I've been wondering when they'll do a Segway Stuntmaster game.
Playable characters include Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, along with WorldCom and Enron execs. Levels include Enron HQ, MS Redmond, etc
Upgradable clothing includes classic chinos or the world famous jeans, shirt and blazer combo.
You get points for looking like a complete twat and in between racing you must extol the virtues of the transportation of the future.
Welcome to the evolution in mobility!
www.segway.com
st3ph3n
21/11/02 @ 18:27
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Discussed earlier the viabillity of a motobility scooter on a half pipe. Which lead to the suggestion of Tony Hawk's Pro Motobility Scooter.

Mugwum, is this better than Aggressive inline?
sickpuppysoftware
21/11/02 @ 23:53
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"Yeah. We don't often get manuals..."

Press backwards then forwards whilst in mid-air :o)
pjmaybe
22/11/02 @ 08:52
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Just had a shufty at the X-Box version. Yep, you're right - it's a godawful lazy PS2 port...

So I guess that'll be me sticking with THPS3 then..

Peej
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22/11/02 @ 09:58
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Mugwum, is this better than Aggressive inline?
I'm not mugwum, but i can tell you that aggressive inline is a quite boring game. i sold it back to the store accepting a big financial loss after playing it for just 2 hours.
pjmaybe
22/11/02 @ 12:38
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But at least Aggressive inline had superior breast physics...and let's face it, that's what REALLY matters in a skating game!

Peej
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22/11/02 @ 13:01
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I think the breast physics are ridiculous. Not that it was the first thing I looked at in the whole game or anything.......
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22/11/02 @ 13:48
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LOL. No, I certainly didn't load the thing up, select the girl, and get her doing a fakie within ten seconds of getting the game. *cough*

It has breast physics, but "realistic"? I dunno.
Alastair
22/11/02 @ 14:07
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Took me longer than 10 seconds to work out how to do a fakie!
:o)
Nemesis
22/11/02 @ 14:07
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Dear o dear. Much rather play with the real thing not the silicon version. You lot REALLY need to progress ;-)
pjmaybe
22/11/02 @ 14:32
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"LOL. No, I certainly didn't load the thing up, select the girl, and get her doing a fakie within ten seconds of getting the game. *cough*"

You managed to get a girl doing a fakie in ten seconds? Cor I'm impressed...two shoves and a shudder usually does it for me...8-)

Peej
Alastair
22/11/02 @ 14:41
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Genuine lol!
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Dear o dear. Much rather play with the real thing not the silicon version. You lot REALLY need to progress ;-)


Hey, I just wanted to see what Peej is always harping on about!
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Hank KIngsley
22/11/02 @ 22:37
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The quick succesion of sequels perhaps shows the potential benefits of downloadable content. Rather than holding back improvements, games could be able to ship first time out with a relatively future proof design, allowing levels to be downloaded over the course of a few years before a true sequel emerges. It should be cheaper to download this extra game than it would to buy it. Packaging and manufacturing costs are heavily reduced.
st3ph3n
23/11/02 @ 11:25
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Aggressive inline is a marvellous game. This is good also, but then I'm a fan. The Pink Elephants were really easy btw. All I'll say is that the combo rules apply as far as timers go.
sickpuppysoftware
23/11/02 @ 17:34
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Played this last night. Nothing too shockingly different but still as good as ever. The levels seem better than in 3. HORSE after several sherbets is still the order of the day.

Building uo the speed with a huge combo and ending with a pogo still creases me up.
Razz
25/11/02 @ 00:41
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Any news on a PC release date?

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