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Super Mario Sunshine Comments by Tom Bramwell

4 October, 2002

Review - Mario goes on holiday, and Tom hitches a ride

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Mr Sleep
09/10/02 @ 11:40
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Really? LMAO, oh well I thought the edit was more referential. The link was www.BillGatesIsEvil.com ;)
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sam_spade
09/10/02 @ 11:41
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If you do a search for Bill Gates Evil on Google, Eurogamer is the sixth website to appear. If we get him back we could be top!
Mr Sleep
09/10/02 @ 11:46
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I somehow don't think Europ...*cough* Bill Gates is evil will return any time soon, I think his ego would impede that ;)
otto [mod]
09/10/02 @ 11:47
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-> Nemesis: "SMB - try to finish the beginner levels without losing a life to get the bonus levels after lvl10"

Please tell me you've only just done this? In other words, that I am actually as good as/better than you at something? :D
Alastair
09/10/02 @ 12:03
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RE SMB. D'you know, I only discovered the practice mode yesterday!!
Still have trouble with Advanced lvl 15 (the one where you go back and forth and it gets steeper each time.)
Haven't tried to do Easy without losing a life yet. How many extra levels do you get?
Adv 26 and Expert 6 are as far as I've got. And I'm rubbish at Monkey Target. :o(
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mentat [mod]
09/10/02 @ 12:06
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trust me, Otto - you'll be better at SMB than i am. I really suck at it - can't figure out why the hell i like the game so much!
Nemesis
09/10/02 @ 12:07
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Please tell me you've only just done this? In other words, that I am actually as good as/better than you at something? :D

Um. Well you post more than I do! /quiet whistle/

Haven't tried to do Easy without losing a life yet. How many extra levels do you get?

You get 3 extra levels and they are quite fun, plus it gives you extra points to unlock the mini-games with.

i think it's a third party card. I'll probbly pick up an official larger card at the weekend and copy everything across onto that instead

May be worth it, I've not had a corruption on the official one. I'm always a little dubious about 3rd party cards, don't ask me why.

otto [mod]
09/10/02 @ 12:11
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Haven't tried to do Easy without losing a life yet. How many extra levels do you get?

Dunno, haven't managed to get past the first extra level. :(

I'm probably somewhere between mediocre & utterly shit on the main game - though I *did* discover the practice option on the first day ;) - but I like to think I'm a bit good at the bowling. :)
Nemesis
09/10/02 @ 12:14
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SMB

Here's a good place to start, SMB FAQS courtesy of gamefaqs.
mentat [mod]
09/10/02 @ 12:17
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ermmm. what practice mode?

I didn't even find the monkey race and monkey fight bits until a mate showed me them!
And i especially suck at monkey target. Unlike my mate who can quite happily manage to land on the tiny 500 targets... :/
Alastair
09/10/02 @ 12:27
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'Unlike my mate who can quite happily manage to land on the tiny 500 targets'

Bah! >o(

'what practice mode? '
When you select 'Main Game' try 'Practice Mode' instead. You can practice any of the levels you have unlocked. ie. the last one you got to!
otto [mod]
09/10/02 @ 12:31
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Beginners Level 1 in Practice Mode is what I stick on for my 18-month-old daughter to launch her gaming career. She hasn't worked out how to go through the goal yet but she loves rolling the monkey around and as soon as time runs out it just starts up again. She loves the wavebird too.
sam_spade
09/10/02 @ 12:39
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Practice Mode is what I stick on for my 18-month-old daughter to launch her gaming career

Are you planning on her being the Tiger Woods of computer gaming?
Alastair
09/10/02 @ 12:43
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Sounds like she's well on the way to being better than her father!
;o)
otto [mod]
09/10/02 @ 15:13
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"pride comes before a fall"

heh
Fozzie_bear
09/10/02 @ 18:42
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Unlike my mate who can quite happily manage to land on the tiny 500 targets... :/

Big deal.

I can hit that big blue wobbly target every time!

Hah!

Ciaran
09/10/02 @ 21:41
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Only got the Expert extra levels left to unlock in the game now!

Nope. After that, there still are Master Levels to unlock. Haven't played them, but I've read about them. ;) I think you have to beat Expert and Expert Extra without continuing.

edit: Oh and by the way, I've got 14 Shines now, how many do you need before you can get those extra nozzles?
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otto [mod]
09/10/02 @ 22:41
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How about you otto, up for the Expert challenge? heh.

That would be an emphatic no. :)

However I have noticed that my SMB 'skillz' have come in useful in SMS walking up palm trees etc.

I've only had two really decent sit-down sessions with SMS and I've still only got five shines but I'm more and more in love with that game. It's the attention to detail. It's a work of art.
Wolfgang
10/10/02 @ 00:57
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"It's a work of art."

lol, pshhhh.

Now for my opinion: Don't get me wrong, it's a good game. But it's basically a port of the never released Mario 64 2 with some nice effects thrown in. The camera is frustrating. Mario is just one body part short of being a full-blown girl, the colors are so bright they make my eyes bleed, and the game breaks absolutely no new ground for the series whatsoever. If I hadn't played games in 10 years i'd be blown off my couch, but i'll take Jak and Daxter over this. No offense to Nintendo or Mario, but the differences between this Mario and the original are entirely too small. Nintendo needs a new platform game that causes another revolution in the industry-- not the same platform game that caused a revolution over 10 years ago.
mentat [mod]
10/10/02 @ 09:30
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Hey, quit hijacking the thread, talking about SMS. We were discussing 1337 SMB skills...

Ciaran - i don't think it's a case of needing shines to get the nozzles, they are level dependant i think, for instance go through the first portal for a third time and the level then has nozzles for you to use.
IIRC at any rate.

And i managed to get through the beginner level of SMB without dying, and promptly died on the first extra level! Lol!
Ciaran
10/10/02 @ 09:43
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Thanks mentat, I'll try that tonight. Oh, and yesterday, I finally succeeded in the durian-footy. I found the trick is in not trying to kick the fruit across. You need to use your head. ;-) (Run towards it at a good angle, press B to make Mario dive before he hits it and there you go. Works almost every time for me.)

otto [mod]
10/10/02 @ 10:34
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secret move

I'm talking about the wonky palm trees on the beach level you need to walk up.

"It's a work of art." lol, pshhhh.

I've been gaming since the late 70s, more or less, and I don't think I've ever been quite so impressed at the care lavished on a game. Note the Cube is my first console and I never played Mario 64. I'm talking about the little things like coloured birds flying around, fish in the sea, coral, hundreds of tiny details that add up to one beautiful experience. I dunno, I think it's a work of art, strictu sensu.

Ciaran, thanks for the durian footy tip, I'll try that.
Nemesis
10/10/02 @ 10:39
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Jak & Daxter = Copycat shite

Aaaaaaaaaaaha. I. Dont. Think. So.

sam_spade
10/10/02 @ 12:19
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Someone above mentioned Woolworths as a place to get it. Try there.
BartonFink
10/10/02 @ 13:58
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Had a look around Dublin today same old packages.
€249 + a game save €9 bollox.

Doubt they are going to sell any of the official bundles until all the other stock has been shifted :(
Just have to wait till Christmas then. Wouldn't mind only it mentions the official bundle on the back of SMS.
Grrr
Whizzo
10/10/02 @ 14:32
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Someone above mentioned Woolworths as a place to get it.

They advertised the pack on TV, with it being £20 off, on the Thursday before SMS was launched. I was in Woolies this morning but didn't actually check if they were still doing it.
Razz
11/10/02 @ 21:36
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"Good thing then that Burnout2 is in the pipeline, huh? It will certainly work as a compensation."

Forgot to add - *chunk* //sound of money bag hitting desk//
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terminalterror
12/10/02 @ 11:49
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Not meaning to gloat or anything, but I had completed Advanced Extra within about a week of getting SMB. But Expert Extra will NEVER be completed by anyone who doesn't work for a GameCube magazine or SEGA, let alone master mode. I am pretty confident I could get about half way through expert without losing a life (it would take me ages, but it seems possible) but I would definately come apart at the desert level with the thin platform, and the giant bumper thing that smashes from side to side. That is the single hardest level in the game outside of the extra levels.

For any of you who think advanced 30 is a bitch (the loads of circles one), then you will simply not believe advanced extra 5, which is a clone, but twice as large with a crazy rotating disk at the end
FWB
12/10/02 @ 13:53
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I'm still stuck mid-way through Advanced.
Razz
12/10/02 @ 21:11
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YOU CAN SPIN AROUND ROPES IN SMS!!!! ^_^ Simply grab on to a rope, rather then walking, change to the "hover pack" and discharge waterto spin around ropes. If you push jump you will sail far into the pixelated background :P
otto [mod]
13/10/02 @ 21:21
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there should've been MORE puzzle-obstacle-course-run-to-the-finish (making sense?) levels, they're so damn fun.

Ack no!! *spits*

/me grinds to a halt on Gelato Beach... :p
[Alt][F4]
14/10/02 @ 20:38
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The bottle mini level was a pain, having that one red coin on top(you know the one) that made me scream in frustrasion more then once when I missed getting it YET again.
Otherwise, the game's fantastic. Suprisingly, since I didn't enjoy previous N's Pikmin,Luigi & SSBM at all.
(ok, Luigi wasn't that bad)
otto [mod]
14/10/02 @ 22:38
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I've come away from yet ANOTHER failed attempt at getting through one of those damn obstacle courses and I'm seething with frustration. How can they piss me off so badly and unnecessarily when rest of the game is so much fun?? Gah!! Thing is, I'm going to have to do them if I want to progress any further in the damn game. Maybe I'll just wait until my daughter's old enough to do them for me... *sigh*
sam_spade
14/10/02 @ 23:12
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Every morning I give an obstacle course a go. Of course I eventually die like a patsy in a game of Russian roulette. Then I spend the rest of the morning crashing into cars on Burnout 2.

Then lunch comes around and I give SMS another go - and spend the rest of the afternoon crashing cars.

Thank God for evenings when TV decides to be entertaining.
Machiavel
15/10/02 @ 10:08
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Weird tip that somehow works for me:

If you're failing at the same point on an SMS obstacle course, redo the level with the sound muted. This somehow sharpens my concentration thanks to the removal of sound cues.

Hell, if it doesn't work for you, at least your expletives will resonate clear and fresh around the town...
otto [mod]
15/10/02 @ 10:13
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lol, OK I'll try that... Failing that I'll just post Razz my memory card and he can do them for me...
Fozzie_bear
15/10/02 @ 22:49
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Otto, try selling your soul to the devil.

Oh - of course you work for the EU. Maybe a second mortgage then?

:b
Razz
15/10/02 @ 23:54
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ROFLOL
Ciaran
16/10/02 @ 12:01
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Mmm... two more things about SMS:

*Noki Bay is a masterpiece! :-D

*If I ever happen to see a sandbird in real life, I'll wring its bloody neck. Argh! >:-(

Ciaran
16/10/02 @ 19:12
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raised block on the wing

Hey, I'll try that. I've never even gotten more than 5 coins on that wretched bird.. just keep falling off. Over. And over. And over.

Thanks for the tip about that last red coin too! Razz==1337 ! Or something. ;)
16/10/02 @ 19:19
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SMB:Sunshine is simply a masterpiece. Never before have so many elements from previous Mario adventures been implemented in one game. Ahhhh.... nostalgia is a beautiful thing.
Does anyone know how I can view the review and comments simultaneously?
UncleLou
16/10/02 @ 19:46
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Does anyone know how I can view the review and comments simultaneously?

Click on "edit profile" on the left menu bar, then check the box "inline comments".
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16/10/02 @ 20:02
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Cheers! (b)

*remembers that this isn't MSN messenger* :|
Fozzie's_bird
16/10/02 @ 22:17
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Don't think about it as the end of a relationship - more a chance to give your ears a rest for a while ;)

Hmm, just spotted that one. Wait till i get my hands on a certain bear, grumble, grumble.

I completed the Sand Bird Mission on my first attempt! :)

Me too, however i found walking around the neck method worked - also handy practice for spinning blocks in the platform levels.

Theres nothing quite like the relief of getting through a level thats taken a few attempts tho, and theres usually a really easy level following each difficult one.

Does anyone else wish shadow mario would keep peach or just kill the annoying cow?



BartonFink
16/10/02 @ 22:42
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Crareful Errol might be listening ;)
I'd say he would have one or two suggestions about what Mario should do with her.
Fozzie_bear
16/10/02 @ 23:23
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I'm not going to hear the last of the old munter doing the sand bird level on her first go am I?

I was sat there falling off it again (when I managed to get into the damn level) and all I can hear is
"I did this first time, you know"

"Yeah well done. Let's see you do the next bit with your joypad up your arse"

I'm coming round to otto's point of view re; the non-backpack levels. They're getting harder. That spinny block one on the harbour level..... AAAAAAAAAAGH! Just did it before I tore the last of my hair out.

BartonFink
16/10/02 @ 23:31
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Sorry but I haven't, unfortunately, got a clue wtf you are talking about.

/Must resist urge to buy Game Cube
/me sobs wanna Game Cube now, adopts petulant teenager pose.

otto - how did you get around the missus in the end?
Fozzie_bear
16/10/02 @ 23:37
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Sorry BF - referring to my missus' post further up boasting about finishing the sand bird level one her first go. I've had a gutful of hearing about it now I'm confronted with more boasting here!
BartonFink
16/10/02 @ 23:48
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Fozzy - Trying to get around the misus to get a GameCube for crimbo ... interesting maybe I can come at it from that angle. She's always complaining about the games I buy the last one she was into was Worms Armagedon on the DC. Maybe I can convince her she will love this. She has already said the add on TV looks cool.
So does the missus usually bitch slap you when it comes to games? :)
Khab
16/10/02 @ 23:51
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Those puzzle missions are naughty. I was stuck on three(!) of them simultaneously. A mate and I sat down, and two hours later we'd beaten ONE of them. I swear... loudly.

Funny thing is, it never feels like it's the game's or even the controls' fault you miss a jump or something - it's always 'Arghh no how could I do THAT, I should've done it like THIS, oh no, ok then, like THIS...' etc. And I keep coming back for more. :)

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