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Star Ocean ~Till the End of Time~ Review

PlayStation 2 ntsc-us Import Review by Rob Fahey

1 October, 2004

Some day, a day will come when we write a review of a Japanese RPG without feeling the need for an introductory paragraph bemoaning the actions of the European publishers who have so often denied or delayed our pursuit of the guilty pleasures of the orient. That day is not today, sadly; but at least this time, we're opening on our traditional "Xenosaga! Why, Namco, why!" rant in order to point out one of the best things about Star Ocean 3 - namely that it's here. In Europe. And only a few weeks after it launched in the USA at that. Square Enix promised us not so long ago that they were taking Europe more seriously, and if anything was proof of that, this is.

As the cunning addition of the numeral "3" after the name might suggest, this is the third game in the Star Ocean franchise - a series of sprawling RPGs developed by the Enix bit of Square Enix, which have their roots firmly in the anime and manga culture of Japan, and indeed have spawned a full-length anime series following the plot of the first game, called Star Ocean EX. However, while the game is set in broadly the same universe as the first two, it's definitely not necessary to have played either of them in order to get into Star Ocean 3, which takes a leaf from the Final Fantasy book by starting a completely fresh plot with an almost entirely new set of characters.

Second Chances at First Impressions

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The game starts off with a visually stunning, beautifully directed intro video, giving you a flash tour of Earth in the far future - all glittering, science fiction cities with some of the world's most famous present-day landmarks, such as the Statue of Liberty and the Tokyo Tower, embedded between their shining towers. A rousing orchestral score and a really very cool looking space ship set the tone here; it may just be pre-rendered video, but first impressions count, and they're certainly good.

It's a bit of a shame about the second impressions, then. The game itself starts off with your central character, likeable but largely unremarkable blue-haired teen Fayt, moping around a resort hotel with his childhood friend Sophia, with whom he alternately bickers and flirts over the first half hour or so of the game. This bit gives the team a chance to show off their graphics - which are extremely impressive for a PS2 title, we might add, with lush and varied environments and extremely well animated characters - but it's a bit of a snore-fest for the player, sadly. Fayt and Sophia are pleasant enough characters, but their dialogue is stilted at best, and after that stunning intro, walking a pair of conversationally challenged teens around a hotel wasn't quite what we had in mind.

Thankfully, things pick up a bit when the planet they're holidaying on is attacked and Fayt is thrown rapidly through a series of events, bouncing from a bombardment shelter to a military ship and finally being stranded on a backwards planet with a pre-medieval level of technology. This is where the game really picks up, in fact; it's where you'll see your first real combat, start to appreciate how the mechanics of the game work, and begin to meet other key characters and flesh out the ones you've already met. It's just a shame it takes a while to get there, but from here the plot largely moves forward at a steady and interesting pace.

Blue Haired Hero Rescues Universe Shock

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Even here, the promise of the original intro video appears to have been a bit of a lie, because you'll spend much of the game on underdeveloped planets rather than flitting around the spectacular cities of the future. This is a feature common to the previous Star Ocean games, but it might take newcomers to the series (which, let's face it, most European purchasers will be) a bit by surprise that an ostensibly science-fiction title spends so much time messing around with fantasy-style swords and sorcery. It's not something which detracts from the game in any way, however; if anything, it gives it an interesting central conceit. You play characters from the far future cast into worlds with much lower levels of technology and civilisation, and to add to the basic moral dilemma, there are laws reminiscent of Star Trek's prime directive which prohibit interfering with the development of alien societies.

Some characters grapple with this dilemma more than others - Fayt, for example, is a very thoughtful young man who worries a fair bit about the consequences of his actions, while another character you'll meet early on, Cliff, is more likely to do whatever is needed to survive and worry about the consequences later. Thankfully, the dialogue picks itself up pretty well from its early stumbling efforts in the hotel, and there are some pretty well scripted conversations later in the game - although there's still the occasional Japanese joke that hasn't made it into the English language intact, leading to some awkward-sounding lines which a better scriptwriter would have improved on significantly.

However, this is certainly no worse than your average RPG translation. Where the game's conversations really fall down, sadly, is in the voice acting. The insistence of game companies in continuing to inflict incredibly poor voice acting on their customers is jarring, and doubly so when the option to use the Japanese voices instead isn't provided. Here's a suggestion, guys: many people in your core audience would far prefer to hear the emotion and inflection conveyed by the Japanese actors, even while having to read the meaning of the words off the screen, than to have to put up with shrill or downright ludicrous "acting" provided by your American voice "talent" (read: actors so rubbish they couldn't even make it in the lower reaches of American TV).

Fayt's voice actor is tolerable, although sometimes his voice is so quiet you can't make it out anyway; but other characters, sadly including Cliff, who is one of the other most important characters in the game, sound like they were voice acted by drugged-up homeless people who were dragged into the studio and told to sound like either someone from Scooby-Doo or a pre-teen girl with a lung-full of helium. Or both. You can, thankfully, turn the voices off and opt to work purely with subtitles, or click past lines of dialogue to escape aural violation from particularly horrific characters.

Goodness Comes With Really Big Eyes

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It's fair to say that despite the flaws, Star Ocean fulfils the main requirements of a decent RPG - it's got interesting and generally likeable characters, a cool premise, not too many clichés per square inch of plot, attractive and varied graphics, and a storyline which - once it gets going - thumps along at a fast enough pace to keep you coming back for more. However, passing those hurdles is only the first step on the way - and while any fan of Japanese RPGs can quite safely surmise that they'll enjoy the bulk of the plot, characterisation and progression, the actual underlying game mechanics are likely to be somewhat more controversial.

Good things first - there are no random battles. All enemies are displayed prominently on the world map, and while some of them will run towards you if you get into range, you can always see what's coming and avoid it if you need to. There are even jewels you can get which will allow you to freeze the movement of enemies on the map, which is useful for sneaking past them - although as with any RPG, if you sneak past enemies all the time you'll never level up and will eventually hit the difficulty curve with all the grace of a man with no arms running into the side of a bus.

Another good thing; boss battles are pitched almost perfectly as part of the difficulty curve, and while we confess that we've not reached the end of the game yet (it's an absolutely mammoth RPG which spans two dual-layer DVDs, making it into easily the largest PS2 game we've ever seen) we've not yet met a boss which we had to go back and level up in order to defeat. Save points are also sensibly scattered around the dungeon areas, and many of them even have HP/MP restore points next to them in order to assist your progress, which is a welcome addition. Each town also has a tavern - helpfully marked with a coloured arrow on the map - which will house a save point, so you're never far from somewhere that you can save, which should cut down on "yeah... I'm coming... wait till I find a save point..." moments with her/him indoors.

It's A Lot Like High School, Apparently

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Now, the next thing might be good or bad depending on your personal tastes, but here goes: the combat system is real-time. You still level up your character in broadly the same way that you'd expect, learning new skills, spells (called symbology) and abilities, and boosting your basic statistics either through levelling up and spending skill points, or through buying new weapons and armour. That much is all familiar and anyone who's played a game like this for more than ten minutes in the past will take to it like a duck to water. However, combat is more like a melee brawl than a tactical menu-driven system. You control one character, while the others behave autonomously under computer control, and can switch between them at will to execute special attacks or spells, or use items.

Each character has two basic attacks, a light attack and a heavy attack, while magic and items are accessed from the in-battle menu system (which pauses the action while you peruse the options). The game provides a decent level of customisation for the characters, as you can assign up to four special attacks (along with two status abilities) to each one, which are triggered by holding in the X and O buttons (with different attacks depending on whether you're in short or long range from your target). It takes a little bit of getting used to - especially early in the game when you'll be using physical specials sparingly due to the fact that they often come with a cost in terms of HP, just as magical attacks cost MP. In fact, Star Ocean tends to treat both HP and MP as similar gauges, unlike other RPGs. You can decimate your own HP by using too many special attacks, and unusually, you also need to keep an eye on your MP, since many enemies attack that bar directly, and if it hits zero, it's game over.

Getting a real-time battle system right is a difficult task, and it's one that Star Ocean 2 frankly failed miserably at, so we were prepared for the worst with this game. However, Square Enix have managed to hit on a few key things that tip the balance in their favour - although this is still very much a "suck it and see" battle system, and we know that quite a few people out there really hate it. In its defence, we'd point out that your team-mates are much more intelligent this time around, and while they still do occasional stupid things (usually veering towards the overkill end of the scale rather than the genuinely mind-numbingly thick end), they can largely be let run around doing as they please except in circumstances where special attention is required. We found ourselves playing as Fayt for the most part, especially once we learned some of his more powerful combo moves, and only switching to other characters for healing or magic attack purposes.

Those combos are the other element that works pretty well. Your character has a Fury bar which fills up rapidly when you're standing still, and which is depleted by using attacks or being hit. With a full Fury bar, you're effectively blocking (and can set parameters on your character which turn those blocks into a range of counter-attacks, too), but more importantly, you have enough energy to let loose a chain of attacks in a row - including air juggles, which can keep an enemy incapacitated and in the air for several strikes in a row if another party member joins in. Getting the timing on those right - and pulling them off with a second party member keeping the juggle going - is a fun element, while the Fury bar itself provides a much-needed tactical element to battles.

The Mother Of Invention

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Outside of the enormous, side-quest laden plot and the battle and character progression systems, Star Ocean provides a significant amount of depth through its crafting system. It's entirely possible to go through the entire game without even running into this system once - and indeed, you only start being able to exploit it about eight to ten hours into the game - but the complexity it offers is worth playing with. In essence, this is a system which allows you to hire experts - be they cooks, blacksmiths, inventors or indeed specialists in a whole host of other areas - and set them to work in workshops around the game world developing new products. You can micromanage this process to quite a fine degree, and can end up with a veritable army of clever little chappies churning out new items and upgrades for you - and of course, your central characters can also participate in the process, if they're sufficiently skilled.

Interestingly, you can also patent your inventions if it turns out that they are genuinely new, which makes for an unusual way to get revenue in the game on top of the bonus of having access to good items, spells, weapons and armour. There are a few other similar systems in play as well; for example, a speculative market in certain items which gradually appreciate in price over the course of the game, so if you can afford to have thousands of Fol (the in-game currency) locked up in valuable items, you'll make a profit further down the line. Again, this is a system which you don't have to touch if you don't want to, but the depth is there for you to explore if you desire.

Outside of the game mechanics and in terms of the window dressing, Star Ocean is a pretty impressive - and impressively pretty - game. As previously mentioned, the graphics are excellent for a PS2 title, with great animation and gorgeously crafted environments, as well as some really nice environmental effects and a wide range of different and imaginative areas to wander through. The character designs won't be everyone's cup of tea - they're very typical anime designs, complete with enormous shining eyes, multi-coloured (and nicely animated!) hairstyles, tiny noses and pencil thin necks - but if you're a fan of Japanese manga artwork (we are) then they won't grate particularly.

In terms of audio, our issues with Square Enix' apparent policy of employing the most talentless people possible to do their voice acting have already been discussed, but thankfully the music is rather a lot better than the squeaky cartoon voices. In fact, in parts, the music is some of the best we've ever heard in a videogame; there's a beautiful vocal melody which plays in the background of certain quieter scenes which is fantastic, while the haunting score that accompanies your exploration of the first village in the game is another highlight. Unfortunately, the game doesn't stick to this high standard overall - there are some dodgy synth rock-style backing tracks mixed in with the generally excellent orchestral bits - but when the composer is inspired, he's certainly among the best. It's just a shame that he apparently got out of bed on the wrong side on the day that he was composing the battle music.

Till The End Of Time

In ways, our feelings about the music are a microcosm for our feelings about the whole game. Star Ocean isn't a game that everyone will instantly like, thanks to the real-time battle system which is likely to divide opinions significantly, but it's a game which has moments of absolute genius, wrapped up in a solid, competent but not particularly remarkable whole. We certainly recommend it to any fans of Japanese RPGs, and anyone who doesn't like turn-based fighting should also give it a go; and it's worth noting that even among our friends who don't like the battle system, they've found the plot and setting compelling enough to keep playing. It's also a mammoth game, which will give you great value for money in terms of playtime. It's just unfortunate that the voice acting mars the experience so much, and that the occasional flickers of ten out of ten brilliance which the game provides didn't bloom into a ten out of ten game, embedded as they are in a seven out of ten enjoyable, well-constructed but unsurprising RPG.

Note: Anticipating the first question to be asked in the comments thread... We'd love to tell you whether the game has 60Hz support or black borders, but unfortunately we haven't been provided with PAL code at the time of publication, so this review was based on an NTSC version of the game. Which, we might add, ran in particularly lovely progressive scan on our US PS2, a factor which owners of progressive scan display gear might want to bear in mind when considering a purchase. We'll let you know what the deal is with the PAL conversion as soon as we clap our eyes on code.

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Shivoa
01/10/04 @ 10:50
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>poor voice acting... the Japanese voices instead isn't provided.
>the combat system is real-time.

Oh well.

/Puts at the end of the list of JRPGs to buy for the PS2
Killerbee
01/10/04 @ 10:58
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Hmm tempting. About the only downer by the sounds of it is the battle system (good to hear you can turn off the voice acting).

Possibly one I'll pick up but play later.
Shinji [mod]
01/10/04 @ 11:05
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Like I said, the battle system is suck it and see. I thought I'd hate it based on my experiences with Star Ocean 2, but ended up enjoying it hugely. That said, I'm also really enjoying the real-time battles in Tales of Symphonia right now - maybe it's just a phase? :)
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01/10/04 @ 11:11
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ToS best game EVAR!!!

if this gets close i'll be hugely pleased :D
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01/10/04 @ 11:16
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Controversial use of the tilde there... wouldn't have happened in the old days of EG reviews, I bet....
itamae
01/10/04 @ 11:34
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Fair review Rob. Luckily I wasn't put off by the voice over as much as you so my overall impression of the presentation is somewhat more favourable.

Mmh, should I compare this game to Xenosaga.... well, probably not ;)
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01/10/04 @ 11:39
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"because you'll spend much of the game on underdeveloped planets rather than flitting around the spectacular cities of the future"

ARGH! I've played enough RPGs with these clichéd environments, thanks. Well done for completely fooling me into thinking I'll be able to explore futuristic locations, Squenix!

/cries and loads up Xenosaga again
Deepthroat
01/10/04 @ 11:42
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Why review the US-version? I come to this site to see if the PAL-version are good or not.

Anyone know if the PAL-version supports 60Hz?
Shinji [mod]
01/10/04 @ 11:50
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Deepthroat - because they haven't given us PAL code. We figured people would want to know what the game is like on the day of release, since 60Hz is actually only a factor for a very tiny number of people (most folk really don't care when it comes to RPGs) - if you're unsure about it based on the PAL conversion, then we'll have that information for you as soon as possible. It's not like the game itself will change from NTSC to PAL.
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01/10/04 @ 12:38
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There are borders, but the speed is up to scratch. Dunno what the problem with the voice acting is though, other than the standard "omg it's not Japanese therefore it sucks" argument. A large number of the cast were in Cowboy Bebop, and how anyone can say that was a bad dub I don't know :/
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01/10/04 @ 13:04
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Shinji: Yeah, sorry I didn't read the last context in the review.

So how big are the boarders? FFX or FFX-2 size? :S
Shinji [mod]
01/10/04 @ 13:05
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Cowboy Bebop wasn't a terrible dub by any means. This, on the other hand, is. It's really tooth-grindingly awful in places - Cliff's voice in particular is horrific, and some of the incidental characters are so bad that I found myself skipping their dialogue because it was so downright unpleasant to listen to.

I'm not a crazy anti-dubs zealot - I prefer subbed stuff in general since I know enough Japanese to pick out a lot of stuff from the original language, and it also helps with learning the language. But there are good dubs and bad dubs, and this stands out as a fairly nasty example of the latter.
aabyssx
01/10/04 @ 13:19
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> Puts at the end of the list of JRPGs to buy for the PS2

So, what else is on your list? /:|
Artemus
01/10/04 @ 13:37
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>So how big are the boarders? FFX or FFX-2 size?<

FFX-2 size.

Btw I think Cliff sounds a lot like 'Ace' Rimmer from Red Dwarf. I kept expecting him to say "Smoke me a Kipper! - I'll be back for breakfast!"
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01/10/04 @ 13:42
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"FFX-2 size"

You're kidding? If my anger could speak it would be swearing profusely right about now....
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01/10/04 @ 13:51
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Well FFX and X2 were virtually the same anyway. Star Oceans are a small fraction bigger. But still very noticable. You're suprised?
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01/10/04 @ 14:11
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Sad to hear the voice ating isn't very good. I personally liked the vocies in FF X. I can see how some people might not have liked Tidus or Yuna although I thought they were fine, but anyone who didn't like Auron or Wakka is clearly insane. Oh, and the voice acting in Xenosaga was very good.

"My external appearance is down 5%... Shion, I need to be cleaned!"
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01/10/04 @ 14:16
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I shouldn't be surprised, yet I find that I am. With two discs to work with I simply thought SquareEnix would find the space to reduce the border size (their excuse for FFX and FFX-2).

What's frustrating is that I have the capability to play the US version but genuinely wanted to support a PAL release that was converted adequately (like Disgaea). My copy is being sent straight back to GAME when it arrives and I'll probably order the US version after all.

Sorry to bring up the borders argument again but I'm frustrated that my faith in Square-Enix Europe was in vain :-(
Shinji [mod]
01/10/04 @ 14:21
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Feanor - Yeah, I liked the acting in FFX and Xenosaga. I thought Tidus in FFX was fine, and Yuna was okay apart from the dodgy bits where she tried to form her dialogue patterns in the same way as the Japanese VA had. Admittedly both Tidus and Yuna were better in the Japanese version, but Auron, Wakka and Lulu were all superior in the US dub. Xenosaga was pretty much excellent all round - they even managed to make Momo not sound hideously squeaky, thank christ.

I don't really understand why, when games like that got it right (Tales of Symphonia is good, too), you still have people messing it up this badly.
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01/10/04 @ 14:26
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Auron in FFX is one of the finest VA performances I've heard in a game. Mind you, his actor didn't need to worry so much about the lip movement as his mouth was usually obscured by his gigantic collar.

Tales of Symphonia has very good voice acting too.
Daryoon
01/10/04 @ 14:44
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Maybe it's all down to the script then. From what I read at the IMDB, quite a few of the SO3 VAs were in Xenosaga too.

Kingdom Hearts still holds my award for best voice acting though. Who would have thought a member of Nsync would make a decent Sephiroth? Hopefully SE will follow their Japanese pattern and keep the same VAs for Advent Children.
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01/10/04 @ 14:46
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I can run progressive scan on any PS2 game thanks to my LCD but it looks a tad out of focus due to SVHS input. Obviously the signal coming from the PS2 is still interlace so now and then there are visable scan lines but no or very little flicker. :D

Soon gonna get a 23" WXGA LCD which will have component input which should look even better (at a price of course but at 1920 x 1200 why not ;)
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DECODED - Just re-read my comment. To be clearer, the borders on Ocean are smaller than that of X and X-2. The actual viewing size (height) on my TV for Ocean is roughly 26cm, compared to FFX's 24 cm (h). Still bad but better.
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Shinji [mod]
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Daryoon - the script doesn't help in places, certainly, but a lot of it is fine. I guess it's possible that whoever did the actual direction of the voiceover work was a clueless muppet - US voice "talent" tend to act in little cubicles with no interaction with the other actors, so they all lay down their lines in seperate sessions and then they're mixed together later. By comparison, Japanese (or British) radio drama or voice acting work is done in a big studio with everyone together. It takes a very talented director to make the American way work, and those are pretty thin on the ground...
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01/10/04 @ 17:13
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Like the sound of this, though I knew next to nothing of it before reading this. For some reason I find I get absorbed into JRPG plotlines a lot more than most western titles, in my admittedly limited experience.

Sounds like it could be one of those games that creeps up on you and turns out to be great.
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01/10/04 @ 17:35
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Just started playing this game today, and while it is'nt spectacular, I can see myself getting a lot of enjoyment out of it in the next few weeks. It is eerily similar to Xenosaga in the early stages though.

Speaking of which, I wish you guys wouldn't keep saying how brilliant Xenosaga is, it really isn't half as good as a lot of people say it is. Okay, but depressingly linear is the best summing up I can give it.
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01/10/04 @ 17:47
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EG stole my joke! I'm calling my lawyers!
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01/10/04 @ 18:48
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"Speaking of which, I wish you guys wouldn't keep saying how brilliant Xenosaga is, it really isn't half as good as a lot of people say it is. Okay, but depressingly linear is the best summing up I can give it."

I think that is what they call a difference of opinion - Itamae shares your pain :-)

Bloody Amazon; Haven't even dispatched it by this evening so I cancelled and ordered it from play instead.

So much for pre-ordering...

Agggghhhh!!! Just noticed Rome:Total War is out this week too! SEND ME MY GAMES YOU MORONS!!
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itamae
01/10/04 @ 18:55
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"Speaking of which, I wish you guys wouldn't keep saying how brilliant Xenosaga is, it really isn't half as good as a lot of people say it is. Okay, but depressingly linear is the best summing up I can give it."


Finally someone who agrees with me \o/

By the way, could someone who has bought the PAL version of SO3 today please tell me what the bonus DVD is like? What about the FF XII demo, is it playable?
Daryoon
01/10/04 @ 18:59
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There isn't a bonus DVD :O
itamae
01/10/04 @ 18:59
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O_o wtf?
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01/10/04 @ 19:31
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It is not developed by Enix or Square Enix but by tri-Ace. Good review anyhow!
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01/10/04 @ 19:38
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Picked up the game + Bonus DVD (which comes in a separate case) from GAME today.

The bonus DVD is alright. The FFXII demo isn't playable as it's the E3 trailer; same goes for Musashi Samurai Legend (which is woefully short). The interviews with the Tri-Ace team is nice and the main producer talks about how the series evolved from a "Science fantasy" to proper "Sci-fi" and the others place emphasis on the Item Creation feature as something that's improved on SO2.

The Excepts from Sakaruba's soundtrack consist of music from SO3 OST1 and 2 and are a decent selection overall. The art gallery has some cool pics and there's also trailers for Ubisoft titles 'Ghost Recon 2' and 'Myst Revolutions'.
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01/10/04 @ 19:42
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Yes there is a bonus DVD! It comes in a seperate box from the actual game (One of those 'thinpak' boxes that are becoming so frequent nowadays) and and contains a 41/2 minute trailer for Final Fantasy XII (japanese w/subtitles) and a trailer for a new Brave Fencer Musashi game. The rest of the DVD contains special features relating to Star Ocean 3, like Soundtrack samples, conceptual artwork, numerous staff interviews, stuff like that. Not outstanding, but a nice diversion if nothing else...
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01/10/04 @ 19:51
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Apparently the bonus disc is limited.

And where exactly are people expressing the brilliance of Xenosaga? I don't get it. However, it IS a fantastic game and no difference of opinion will make me consider it differently ;-)
tengu
01/10/04 @ 19:57
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"And where exactly are people expressing the brilliance of Xenosaga? I don't get it. However, it IS a fantastic game and no difference of opinion will make me consider it differently ;-) "

It is'nt fantastic now, you're just exaggerating. It's enjoyable first time through, but it's insultingly easy, far too linear, and has zero replay value. Xenogears was the nuts, however.
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01/10/04 @ 20:07
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I thought it was fantastic, what can I say? If I were to review it objectively it would get an 8, but for entertainment it was worth 9 to me.

As for being too easy; some of those bosses were bastard hard (I think Itamae stopped playing because of one) and the regular battles were tough if you hadn't levelled.

Linear? Guilty as charged, but to me Xenosaga attempted to fuse film and game - and film is linear.

And replayability...Seriously, 50 hours on one game is enough for me!
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Lovely - I get the game the day before release yet I don't get the bonus disc x_x
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tengu
01/10/04 @ 21:09
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"Lovely - I get the game the day before release yet I don't get the bonus disc x_x "

Daryoon, this happened to me with another 'free gift with game' situation not long ago, I got it over the internet, but the freebie was'nt there, BUT there is a trick I do in these situations that ALWAYS works, if you want to try it, here's what you do:

Take Star Ocean to your nearest branch of Game and say you bought it out of their store on the game's release day, but received no free DVD with it, and you did'nt know there was supposed to be one with it until you got home and one of your friends told you about it. Say you would like your DVD now if it is'nt too much trouble and I guarantee they will cave in and give it to you. The staff in Game will do anything to avoid the hassle, I promise you it'll work.
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02/10/04 @ 09:57
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"...the promise of the original intro video appears to have been a bit of a lie, because you'll spend much of the game on underdeveloped planets rather than flitting around the spectacular cities of the future"

Not only that, but a caption on the back of the case boasts "A SCI-FI UNIVERSE" underneath a picture of a futuristic citiscape. That would conflict somewhat with Rob's ascertation.
Scimarad
02/10/04 @ 12:24
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Why the hell do they do this? Is it harder to make a SF RPG than a fantasy one or something. I case you are wondering, the correct answer is no...

Daryoon
02/10/04 @ 14:20
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Technically it is a "sci-fi universe" though. Star Trek doesn't stop being sci-fi when Picard's trying not to break the Prime Directive whilst stranded on an underdeveloped planet, does it?
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02/10/04 @ 14:42
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It's deliberately misleading (that caption with that particular image). Besides, I don't watch Star Trek :P
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03/10/04 @ 08:50
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Yeah, but surely the fact that people bought an RPG advertised as being ah...lets say futuristic in tone rather than SF suggest that those people would like to play an RPG set in a futuristic setting.

Not that I'm saying this is game crap, mind you, just misleading.
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04/10/04 @ 08:53
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Gave this a few hours at the weekend. Escaping from the hotel thing is awful ... I just didn't warm to the characters at all, and the "events" are just spectacularly irritating (cut scene composition is poor)

I think the problem is that I have a whole stack of games and I know that this is a 40 hour investment. If these JRPG things grab me immediately (FFVII, Vagrant Story) I can do it. if not (FFX, this) they are off to the exchange store.
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04/10/04 @ 12:13
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Still not getting what the problem with the VA is. Aside from one minor NPC with a high pitched squeal of a voice, non of them have grated. Yeah, Cliff sounds like Ace Rimmer, but...eh...so what? That's the sort of character he is, so it seems. Besides, to the Japanese his original voice may have sounded just like whatever their equivilent of Ace is...but to Westeners, all Japanese voices are going to sound exotic and not have the cultural connections we make with English voices...

Ack, whatever. This seems to happen with every dubbed RPG, and everyone seems to have a sheep mentality to it. One person says the VA sucks, so does everyone else. I've seen it enough with FFX, and now people are saying "well hey, FFX was pretty good actually!". I don't get it...maybe people just expect too much, or I've watched enough anime to be used to it, but in the end the constant cries of "English Voice Actors are shit!!!" pisses me off.
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04/10/04 @ 12:35
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It isn't so much the individual voices that bother me. It's how they are put together. One character says something dramatic. There is a massive pause ... and the other character "hurriedly" interrupts.

It all comes to resemble a train announcement ("the ... FOUR .... fiftySIXto ... LondonWATERLOO"
Daryoon
04/10/04 @ 12:54
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But as Shinji pointed out, that's more to do with the director than the VAs, so why do they always get all the shit? There's a load of decent voice actors in this, but instead of saying "well the director wasn't really up to par" people say "what's with the low budget, shitty actors?", and if I were a VA I'd be pretty pissed off :/
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04/10/04 @ 13:01
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The voice acting in Star Ocean is fine so far, I think. And the voice actors in the game ARE professional voice actors, not low budget jerk offs like you get in some other games. The company that did the english dub of the game is ZRO limit, who mainly dub anime series for companies like Geneon (Pioneer) and Bandai.
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04/10/04 @ 13:08
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>But as Shinji pointed out, that's more to do with the director than the VAs,

I agree, so I have edited my post above :-)

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