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Super Smash Bros. Melee Comments by Tom Bramwell

23 May, 2002

Review - Nintendo's cutesy fighter is a darn sight more relevant than you'd think

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Errol
23/05/02 @ 08:14
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Xbox looking punch-drunk now. Gamecube closing in for the decisive knockout.
Pirotic
23/05/02 @ 08:15
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"and although the PAL version lacks a 60Hz mode it runs at virtually full screen."

i read an interview saying they have included a 60hz option.. as its 'cheaper' than doing a full-screen conversion or something equally confusing. u sure you guys are holding down the B button on start-up :P
skalmanxl
23/05/02 @ 08:18
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Xbox looking punch-drunk now. Gamecube closing in for the decisive knockout.

Well, one can pass a judgement now, or one can wait a while and see how things turn out.
Grom
23/05/02 @ 08:23
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fucking gamecube fanboys are worse than Xbox fanboys
skalmanxl
23/05/02 @ 08:24
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fucking gamecube fanboys are worse than Xbox fanboys

That's actually not true, whenever I broswe the TeamXbox forums (I don't do it by free will mind you) I get scared of the people in there...THEY are truly console zealots.
Pirotic
23/05/02 @ 08:25
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looking at the E3 games its clear that the xbox is considerably more powerfull than the gamecube, and with Rarewares surprising lack of games on display makes you worry about the future for the gamecube, it can't just live off Nintendo 1st party games can it ?
Blerk
23/05/02 @ 08:26
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I’ve also yet to meet somebody who doesn’t like it…

I hate fighting games 'cos I can never be bothered learning the combos. Would I like this? Or is it, despite its cute loveliness and novelty options, still a normal fighting game underneath? :-/
otto [mod]
23/05/02 @ 08:29
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Blerk, my question exactly. I really, really don't like fighting games. I'm assuming I shouldn't even think about getting SSBM. Right?
skalmanxl
23/05/02 @ 08:37
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As someone said earlier, I'd rather have a real fighting game like Tekken 4 or Capcom v SNK 2.
bystander
23/05/02 @ 08:43
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What this got more than Halo you GC fanboy! *coughs* ;)

Edit: looks like someone beat me to it.
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st3ph3n
23/05/02 @ 08:47
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It's 34.99 on play, not 38.99.

Looking forward to getting this tomorrow. Oh yes.
eviltobz
23/05/02 @ 08:49
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I'm a bit of a tekken pro, master of the ten-string and all that, but I cant wait for this to arrive.

mmmm, pre-orders
Jeex
23/05/02 @ 08:50
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I suddenly had a horrible vision... imagine if Nintendo were to follow Tecmo (DOA3) and create Super Smash Bros. Melee Beach Volley! The thought of Pikachu or Mario in a bikini is very worrying...
bystander
23/05/02 @ 08:52
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*shudders*
deepmenace
23/05/02 @ 08:58
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ack....godamnit.

Do i get playstation chipped or buy a gamecube ?!?!?!?

games like this make such a choice difficult.

Will ps2 EVER have party games to rival the gamecube?
terminalterror
23/05/02 @ 09:02
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I really hate traditional fighters (tekken etc.) but SSB on the N64 is my favourite game. If you are in any doubt over this game, try it first, but its very hard not to love it (unless you absolutely suck)
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Alastair
23/05/02 @ 09:04
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If I place an order for this at play.com, is it likely to arrive tomorrow?
Blerk
23/05/02 @ 09:06
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If I place an order for this at play.com, is it likely to arrive tomorrow?

No chance. They're good, but they're not exactly 'lightening quick'.
skalmanxl
23/05/02 @ 09:12
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Will ps2 EVER have party games to rival the gamecube?

Not likley with only two controller ports.
Alastair
23/05/02 @ 09:12
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"If I place an order for this at play.com, is it likely to arrive tomorrow?

No chance. They're good, but they're not exactly 'lightening quick'."

There's still an arguement for going to the shops then!
st3ph3n
23/05/02 @ 09:14
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Amazon are preparing mine for Dispatch. It will arrive tomorrow. They are also 34.99 (or at least they were, and I've got it at that price). I would order from Play usually, but with games they tend not to have them available for launch delivery. DVDs though, sometimes 2 weeks before release.
st3ph3n
23/05/02 @ 09:15
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Go to shops - hand over 44.99 - get game and that smug satisfaction ... no wait.

Go to shops - hand over 44.99 - look at shop keeper having the smug satisfaction they've screwed you out of a tenner.
terminalterror
23/05/02 @ 09:18
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Alternatively you could go to your local independant games retailer (Vision Games in my case) who charge £34.99 for all gamecube games (including Rogue leader that everyone else charges £44.99 for some reason)
fernandoweb
23/05/02 @ 09:18
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I love the game, but interestingly in the Guardian review of it this morning (which gave it four stars out of five), it said that it suffered the same muddy textures as Luigi's Mansion, "textures obviously being a problem for the console." I've never seen anything else about this before - does GC have a poor texture memory? Dreamcast still does by far the most stunning textures imho - sorry, this is beginning to sound boring.
Nemesis
23/05/02 @ 09:21
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EG liked it then!

I'll be picking this up tomorrow.
st3ph3n
23/05/02 @ 09:24
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Not sure what my local indy sells them at. Whilst I'm working through here in Edinburgh I tend to just get games delivered or (in worst case scenario) visit EB. I don't know any independants through this way that are easy to get to (from George IV bridge, on the mound) and well priced.
Nemesis
23/05/02 @ 09:33
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I personally wouldn't read the papers to form any view on any game on any console. They're universally rubbish.

Blerk
23/05/02 @ 09:37
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I mentioned the other day that our local paper reviewed Obi-Wan on Xbox and gave it "5/5 - best Xbox game yet!". That tells you all you need to know about newspaper games reviews.
fernandoweb
23/05/02 @ 09:50
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Yup, I know, but the Guardian's won awards in the past because it's the only national newspaper with decent games reviews by people who also write for the actual dedicated gaming press - people like Steven Poole and Nick Gillet. They're normally pretty good.
bystander
23/05/02 @ 09:59
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I love the game, but interestingly in the Guardian review of it this morning (which gave it four stars out of five), it said that it suffered the same muddy textures as Luigi's Mansion, "textures obviously being a problem for the console." I've never seen anything else about this before - does GC have a poor texture memory? Dreamcast still does by far the most stunning textures imho - sorry, this is beginning to sound boring.

That's interesting, all the articles I've read point to Flipper as being an extremely competent texturing unit. Perhaps it's a texture compression problem?
Nemesis
23/05/02 @ 10:08
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Ahhh, I don't read the Guardian see. One you've been exposed to The Metro style game reviews you lose faith in the whole system.

;-)
FeZZ
23/05/02 @ 10:40
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Oh common this is pure GCfanboyism.
I can understand that GC owners are a bit pissed off since the line-up is a bit slow at the moment.
But honestly 10/10 would mean this is the best game ever.
Sure I'll bet it's a lot of fun when you're drunk.
But grown men trying to hit eachothers with caracters like pikatchu and yoshi and stuff is basicly not right at all.
IMHO
Blerk
23/05/02 @ 10:44
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But grown men trying to hit eachothers with caracters like pikatchu and yoshi and stuff is basicly not right at all.

Here we go with the 'it looks like a cartoon hence it can't be any good' argument again.
Nemesis
23/05/02 @ 10:44
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Cmon FeZZ chill, Rallisport got 10/10 also.

Pika!
Psi
23/05/02 @ 10:48
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First game was great in multiplayer used to come in drunk wi mates and at 3 in morning is as complicated a game as anyone can handle...

"yeh mate that buttons jump and thats kick iz fuckin head in..... press fuckin start then, I'm dry grab me a can girl!" lol
Nemesis
23/05/02 @ 10:55
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Chri$t Psi, that's the worst Irish accent I've heard in a long time..........
binky
23/05/02 @ 11:05
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Is this as much fun and long lasting in Single player mode? or is it purely a multiplayer thing?
Pirotic
23/05/02 @ 11:09
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i heard its good fun in single, takes about 10 hours to unlock most of the good stuff... then again i heard it has a 60hz mode so i dunno if i trust the newsgroups anymore :)
terminalterror
23/05/02 @ 11:11
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Well Wave race and Luigis Mansion both didn't, so its very likely that SSB:M doesn't have 60Hz mode.

Did someone forget to tell whoever converts Nintendo games for Europe that PAL gamecubes have 60Hz?
Pirotic
23/05/02 @ 11:21
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like i said earlier, i read an interview with somebody from Nintendo Europe saying that while the initial release titles were only PAL optimized, starting from SSBM all future nintendo inhouse titles will feature a 60hz option as standard.

probably the same way nintendo service centre said i dont have to pay a thing to get my gamecube repaired.. only to then go on and say you have to pay for postage and packaging yourself... huh?
FeZZ
23/05/02 @ 11:49
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Pirotic , when my xbox broke down, quite the same problem as you have with you GC, black screen , dvd spinning like hell, I went back to the shop and got a refund.
With that money I bought a new xbox in the same shop, wich still gave two free games when you buy an xbox.
Since I only returned my busted xbox I got 4 games out of that deal.
Now I am going to receive two more free games directly from M$ and a controller.
But since I've got two puchasing tickets ( I did theoreticaly buy two xboxen ) I'm going to send that one also.
8 games and three contollers in total, now that's costumer service.
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otto [mod]
23/05/02 @ 11:51
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"8 games and three contollers in total, now that's costumer service"

heh - FeZZ, you Mr Benn? ;)

Anyway, are there even 8 games worth having?
Kylun
23/05/02 @ 11:53
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FeZZ - genius.
mal
23/05/02 @ 12:02
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Crikey - that's a bit of a different review from the usual 'fun when you're drunk but ultimately shallow' review opinions I see. Not that it isn't worth getting just for the characters alone, but I find it hard to believe it can be that deep from unlocking extras only, what with the actual play seeming so simple.

It looks like I might be pleasantly surprised when I actually get around to picking up a Gamecube.
FeZZ
23/05/02 @ 12:03
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the 8 nominees are

Halo
Rallisport Challenge
Project Gotham Racing
Munch
DoA3
Amped
Jsrf
F1 2002
mal
23/05/02 @ 12:06
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Pirotic: No need to use Nintendo for repairs. It's the shop's fault for selling you faulty goods, so they're legally bound to replace or repair (usually up to a year after purchase, except for perishables). The only time you need to use the manufacturer is if they give you a longer warranty period, or if it needs to be repair, not replace (like repairing a DC so it keeps the same machine identifier for PSO).

Disclaimer: That's the UK situation as I understand it, and I am most definitely not a lawyer!
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Pirotic
23/05/02 @ 12:13
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Thanks MAL.. so if i just dump the cute/pad/power supply and scart thing back in the box and take it to EB they'll gimmie a brand new one ?

(yes i have the receipt, but i lost all the manuals and stuff.. im guessing they send it back to nintendo anyway tho)
Bad Ambassador
23/05/02 @ 12:18
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Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but the PAL version *does* have a 60Hz mode. I hold it in my hands right now, and I've seen it first hand. It asks you when you boot up if you want to display it in 60Hz or not.

EDIT: Oh, and you don't have to hold down 'B' to get it either.
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otto [mod]
23/05/02 @ 12:24
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"Oh, and you don't have to hold down 'B' to get it either."

In fact, do you *ever* have to hold down 'B' to get it? You don't for SMB & RL either.
BartonFink
23/05/02 @ 12:30
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So when are $ony going to cop on and give us proper PAL conversions??
M$ can do it and Nint€ndo can do it why not $ony??

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