Pro Evolution Soccer 6 Comments by Kristan Reed

The stuff in the review about fast players not being able to get away from defenders is the exact opposite of what I've read from multiple sources at PESFan.

/confused

@JediMasterMalik

I think we still have to wait and see if all games (excluding MMOs) on PS3 will be online for free. We know they've said they will be but in the example of the GT thing you're basically paying to play the game.

Still if it really is free then everyone wins. Well at least everyone with a PS3 ;).

I dont know what everyone is complaining about. When Konami generously allow you to buy stadiums at 100gp a pop, you will all feel pretty stupid.

Missing content indeed........

"not to mention the continuing lack of real teams after all these years. Having raked in the profits from selling literally tens of millions of copies of the various PES games over the years, it's absolutely mystifying why Konami still brings its most important game to market with such a degree of unapologetic poverty."


The French League is fully licensed this year, and I don't know if Konami are been stingy about the German and English leagues. Maybe those two FAs just refuse to give the license to more than EA.

It's not just the licensing...the whole front end of the game is terrible and always has been.

pes = gameplay
fifa = gay play

360 pes6 plays like the premership/fa cup match its loads of fun electric crack its but the presentation is shocking no excuses for this 8-10 just lucky the gameplay outways the bad

ps2 360 deep and i meen deep gameplay and all the extras thrown in id compare it to chapions leauge
9-10

fifa fifa are you having a laugh

Love the pic. Either crying "Why!" or "Thank you, great goal"

If you say so. I find the front end of PES 5 very clean to look at and easy to use and much, much better than the diabolical menus that were on PES 3.

been to asda and got the game buzzin, wait till i get home and have a proper work out with it i will be back with my opinions cos i can honestly say i am biased against fifa and wont give it a chance due to the crap games i have played in the past, i have had some pretty wicked moments on pes however!!!!

to be continued!!!!

I enjoyed the review, only for the fact you guys seemed honest and were giving it to Konami where they deserved it.

But then, you gave it an 8! Madness!

Please explain that. How can you give a game an 8, one described as harbouring 'crippling flaws', the 'little effort Konami has put into delivering the 360 version', the 'appalling presentation, exasperating commentary and literally the worst soundtrack in any major game'.

Why would Konami bother to start from scratch when you're giving it's half-arsed job on PES6 a score of 8, which basically says it's excellent? Huh?

Interesting reviews in a nice format. Thanks.

Can't get into any online games. This ISP/router incompatibility bullshit is so 2003. Sort it out, Konami, for Christ's sake.

It's a shame as the game itself plays very well indeed, even though it looks like a dog's dinner presentation-wise.

I can't understand how people managing to program such a great game can fail at the same time to create a enjoying front-end and polished look.

Well, the thread in the forum has confirmed that the "problem" the reviewers had with not being able to sprint away from defenders with fast players is down to them not realizing that in PES 6 to dribble at full speed you need to either tap R1, or hold R1 and tap the D-pad in the direction of movement.

Not good enough, frankly.

From the moment i first played this i thought 6/10. Its grown on me a bit and ive forgiven it a few things...like you do...but not others. Why cant i change team names, I want to play as Portsmouth not Pompy; yet at the same time i can change the players names, yet those are all correctly input!! Moving to the gameplay, after all the hype and promise its LAZY, its so sluggish. Ignoring all the waste of time extras (who needs 50000 stadiums when you dont see them whilst you are playing anyway!!) I just want a next gen footie game that plays well and secondly looks good. The PS2 version with superior pad will be much better to play the 360 has to at least contend with this small factor. PES360 is a dissapointment allround, Now im looking forward to next year already!! Oh and ISS on the N64 was always better and if you disagree ill beat you like a ginger haired stepchild. Little Wave you messed up

Being a 360 owner, I've always been suspicious of a decent PES6 for this format. Remember PES is "a Playstation game" so PES next-gen doesn't start until Sony says so ;)

Martin_feltches_men I HATE YOU AND YOUR COMMENT

lol

I had forgotten about the horrific Japanese electro Jazz they always seem to use to soundtack these games.

Crime against humanity.

Can you say 'downloadable content'?

CHA-CHING!

Firstly I would like to concur that ISS64 and ISS '98 have never been bettered.

You're either ISS/PES or FIFA, make your mind up.

I bought PES yesterday and whilst it does lack many features, it's still the best out there. I'd say the only thing that comes close is PES 5, at least you can get acheivment points. Who cares about Stadiums?

I think Martin_feltches_men and neil_likes_bums should be together

I'm currently playing the 360 version, and i can see why it's being slated... abit.

Sure it doesn't have the little extra's of the PS2 version, but in the actual important areas, like gameplay, it is the same, and overall it does look abit better.

It might not be the hughly different next-gen version some people where expecting, but it's still Pro Evo, and if you want that on your 360, this is still well worth it.

It's still a million miles ahead of Fifa, as anyone who has played the 360 demo will know how bad that is already.

And the winner of the next generation console is.................?

The PS2: \0/ \o/ \o/ \0/

A review thread wouldn't be complete without a typically snide, sneering, baiting remark at me from our good friend MMUK would it? Gotta love the consistency.

For clarity, the point I'm making is that newcomers can't come to PES and play an experinced player and get any enjoyment out of it. The learning curve is just too steep. However, other football games (Sensible, certain versions of FIFA) make it more fun to pick up and play from the beginning and therefore often have a more instant appeal. That doesn't make them 'better' games, but not everyone wants to plough dozens of hours into a football game to stand a chance of being able to score a goal against their mate. Often, that's the harsh reality of a game of PES with a highly skilled friend. No beginner's luck here.

That is all. Enjoy your future nit-picking endeavours.

Well so long as its about the same as the PS2 version with slightly better graphics, then I'l get the 360 version. I can't play the PS2 version in HD and that will make a difference graphically. I don't care much about online gameplay to be honest, PES is and always will be a offline multiplayer game first.

Does anyone know how it compares to Winning Eleven 10? (360 version)

Ah ISS how i still dream of thee. Back in the day it was all Iss Pro vs ISS 64/98. The nintendo was so much better than the then awful playstaion version. Still they existed hand in hand abeit on different consoles. Unfortunately sheer weight of numbers (i guess anyway), meant that the Pro version took over and ISS was dropped. Lets not forget that the first decent football game on the PS2 was ISS (developed by the same peeps that did the N64 version),before the first awful Pro Evo was released. A couple of games later by about pes 3 it was fianlly a good game. The point? Dont have one really just been thinking about it all with a tear in my eye....oh and that N64 pad - bliss! FIFA ?? go stick a straw up your bum and suck, its that bad

As a generally non-football-game playing gamer, I was thinking the other day how there's no football game equivalent of Virtua Tennis - incredibly simple to pick up, with great hidden depths and subtleties, combined with a graphically stunning, realistic look. If there was, I would probably buy it.

This is going to be the first PES game I have ever not bought. Reason being is I already have PES5 on PS2 which sounds like it plays a lot better (one of my biggest gripes in footy games is when real-life pacey players ala Henry get caught up by fucking Laurent Blanc and the problem sounds worse than ever), and the 360 version (which was the one I would've bought) is an utter piss-take which people should plain refuse to buy on principle alone.

Hell, take away the Master League and you would be left with the fucking PSP version that you can only play at home for £50 with better graphics and less features. FUCK OFF KONAMI!

There was Virtua Football, which my mate mercilessly beat me 17-0 at.

Damn.
I've been sitting here all day with the 360 version in packaging on my desk itching to play, and I nip on here to see if the reviews up.

Oh dear Konami, what have you done to it?
Half-arsed in deed by the sounds of it.

Hope you're gonna patch the hell out of it over Live to get it up to scratch...

Not impressed,
Krusty

I just went to the Konami Forum on their web site to spew hatred, and lo and behold, it's down for an upgrade, coincidence???

If you like Pro Evo5 then you like this (360) simple as that. Got it yesterday and am very happy with it. Only ever played in a couple of stadiums in PES5 & never edited so guess im ok. Oh and the corner & throw-ins are definately improved, that was the first thing i looked for, ball physics and play are much better! Don't be swayed into buying FIFA if u like past version of PES, after playing both i though FIFA was a great improvement but PES6 is still the winner IMO :o) Happy footballing!!

Tiddles, couldn't agree more. I wish developers would realise that there's a market for a realisitic looking footy game with simple controls and hidden depths. Why they feel the need to use every button on the pad to convey the range of moves is beyond me. Kick Off and Sensible did just fine with one button for heaven's sake!

"Damn.
I've been sitting here all day with the 360 version in packaging on my desk itching to play, and I nip on here to see if the reviews up.

Oh dear Konami, what have you done to it?
Half-arsed in deed by the sounds of it"

Krusty - don't worry mate - if you liked PES5, i know the lack of options is shit in PES6 360, you'll like this, enjoy playing tonight, the game play is top as usual :o)

As a generally non-football-game playing gamer, I was thinking the other day how there's no football game equivalent of Virtua Tennis - incredibly simple to pick up, with great hidden depths and subtleties, combined with a graphically stunning, realistic look. If there was, I would probably buy it.

I thought I was the only one, to be honest. I still think, for me, the pinnacle of the ISS games were on the SNES......they were a right old laugh.

"Tiddles, couldn't agree more. I wish developers would realise that there's a market for a realisitic looking footy game with simple controls and hidden depths. Why they feel the need to use every button on the pad to convey the range of moves is beyond me. Kick Off and Sensible did just fine with one button for heaven's sake!"

ISS on the Playstation was like that. It's probably my favourite Konami football game. For me, they got gradually worse after ISS2.

Hmmm, I would put serious money on FIFA getting an 8 as well tomorrow morning.

If FIFA online is done properly ( and Madden online sucks donkey balls with lag so I'm not hopeful ) then I'm going FIFA this year. I really can't be bothered with bad network code again - it's so 1999.

It's semantics, really. Plenty of games have flaws which you learn to live with and accept, and sometimes it frustrates me that "crippling" flaws like the heinous presentation, lack of licensing and some of the more questionable design decisions (like making it a lottery whether shots or headers are on target) are overlooked. I still, honestly, think PES would be a better game if it was a mite more accessible from the start. I know not everyone agrees, but hey.

Also, MMUK, I'm strictly speaking, applying the "newcomers can't enjoy it against the experienced players argument" to football games. Of course it doesn't apply to other genres. I don't mind being pulled up on contentious points, but sometimes the way you phrase your comments both here and in the forum makes you sound like you have some weird personal grudge. Have we met in real life? Did I steal your girlfriend once :)

It's true, I have this and although FIFA is better graphics wise, this still plays soooooooo smooth and still has those magic moments that fifa just can't touch. It's still worth buying I guarantee you won't go back. It has lots of good toches and more pro's than cons. Still does fifa with a big baseball bat.
I sent fifa back today once I played a few games on this!!!!!!
I'm sure they will sort the lag out and you won't enjoy a better footie game with your mates. I put 4 to the test and they all agreed!
STILL NUMBER 1 BUT PLEASE KONAMI IMPROVE YOUR PRESENTATION AND GRAPHICS. ANIMATION STILL TOP OVERALL

They should have given the two versions different scores, I think. Obviously the 360 deserves a point less than the PS2 version. Shame on Konami!

I can never find a bloody game on Live, it's a joke! Maybe my connection is crap or something!?

This opens the possibility that game publishers could charge their own fees for playing games, which is indeed likely to be the case for titles such as massively multiplayer games"

Publishers could have charged game by game fees on the PS2... but they didn't.

Skimmed the review seems Konami did a piss poor job as a next gen Pro Evo but sufficient enough to pass as a Current gen title ala PS2, I wonder if Konami is going to ask for a full whack price or that comparable of PS2 prices, because the Xbox 360 all year has been dragged down by the still running amock PS2.

Sony keeping the PS2 alive is killing the Xbox 360. \O/

So not as good as sensible soccer then?

The game is fantastic, but as a 360 game, the graphics are disgusting.

It's like they've just got the PS2 version and whacked it into 1280x720.

pretty much what I expected to hear.

God, this game is annoying the hell out of me. It crashes sometimes when trying to connect (intermittently when you get 'failed to connect).

Very disappointed.

greenfeld69 I feel ur pain

definately can't wait for the fifa review now. :)

...because I agree that the game has now reached the stage where it is completely impenetrable to new players.

This is my problem. I want to buy a football game, and I really, really want to buy Pro Evo, because I know it's the game that all the cool kids are playing, and EA are, like, Corporate Whores and Destroying The Very Fabric of Existence. But I tend to find Pro Evo really unsatisfying. I just don't have the hours to put in to get the most of it. And that's as someone who puts a fair bit of time into games. I have a feeling that the time I'd have to spend to get the most out of it and to get to an even vaguely competitive standard is closer to months than weeks. And that's a lot of time spent playing something that I'm not hugely enjoying.

It seems to me to be a bit like learning Spanish, just so I can read Don Quixote in its original language. I'm sure it's a bloody great book, but the amount of time I'd have to spend just to be in a position where I could start to understand what's going on is so long as to make it a waste of time.

Seems like most of the Pro Evo fans here have been playing the series so long that you are (to stretch my metaphor to breaking point) already Spanish speakers. Sure, it takes some work to adjust to reading a 400 year-old dialect, but it's not a deal breaker.

So my dilemma - Pro Evo or FIFA? Spend months learning Spanish, probably to give up a few weeks because it's too difficult, or just forget about reading Don Quixote in the original language and go for the more accessible translation, even if it misses out most of the subtleties...

Sorry. Have just realised I'm talking crap. But will someone please tell me what to do?

"(like making it a lottery whether shots or headers are on target)"

The chance of this actually being true = 3%.

CasperCCC:

It's not just Pro Evo 'newbs' the series is beginning to exclude. Heck, I bought and played Pro Evo 1 and 2 to death. Spent ages with them. I then got a 60-hour working week and obviously couldn't spend nearly the same (if any at all) time playing the games. I never bought numbers 3 and 4, but I bought 5 and found it frustratingly niggly. No longer could I score on anything above 3 star level. No longer could I even build decent amounts of possession. I bought the Piggyback guide and had a flick through. I came to realise that, given my working schedule, I would never have enough time to become competent at Pro Evo, let alone good.

I love football though. I want to play football games. I enjoy making Dirk Kuyt the greatest striker in the Premiership. I find sending a 30-yard Gerrard curler past Petr Cech fantastically stress-busting. Many people are the same. We want a game we can pick up and find challenging, but not to the point where we have to pinpoint a sequence of button pushes and directions to even get close to scoring.

The presentation of Pro Evo 6 is what gets me the most, really. Here's a game that's been in development for what must be a year now, yet they have kept the same commentary, the same basic and awkward presentation and the same 'music' from the previous edition. They still refuse to even try to get some proper licenses, and now on the 360 they have taken away our option of even editing things so we can have at least half a sense of authenticity. They can hardly claim poverty as the review says, so you have to assume that it's just outright laziness on the development team's part. The fact that they can sit back and rely on their rather rabid, die-hard fanbase to fill their pockets whatever they decide to put on the shelves. As someone said earlier, the 'I'll buy it anyway' brigade are continuing the slide downwards.

EA have questionable ethics perhaps, but on this basis I wouldn't put Konami too many steps ahead. Having to pay Xbox Live points to aquire stadiums? Okay, but how about putting more than just two in the actual main game, i.e. the thing we've just paid £40 - £50 for in the first place. How about actually rewarding our custom with a proper menu system? A better, more involved Master League? A few licenses so we can have the illusion of reality? An online gaming system which actually works properly? Etc, etc etc. I certainly don't hold Konami in any higher regard than I do EA these days, particularly with the latter seemingly actually attempting to do new things and present their game properly.

One thing - I am slightly disappointed that the 360 version seems to have been able to duck behind the 8 given - on majority - for the PS2 version. The more sites that actually come out and review Pro Evo 6 for the lazy, half-finished job it seems the better. Developers shouldn't be given places to hide for releasing things like the 360 version of Pro Evo 6. EA weren't allowed that place to hide last year when their 360 sports range came out and were devoid of 50%+ of their features. I don't see why Konami should fare any better.