Pro Evolution Soccer 6 Comments by Kristan Reed

i reckon KONAMI have held back their "next-gen" pro evo for the ps3!!!!!

BUGGERS!!!!!!!!!

Dcrider360

it was always a given that was the case...sony love konami because their games sell playstations...

just like microsoft love capcom because their games are selling 360's...

This was gonna be THE game to sell the 360 to all my friends (only 3 have'em so far, and I want actual REAL friends on LIVE).
Alas, I'm going to have to skip this. I just haven't got the time to invest in this year's worth (too much uni work).
This was the game to show to people "This is what the next gen can do. This is real football". Instead I see a butchered ps2 game (an even worse butchering than they did for pro evo 4 on the xbox), for £10 more? SUCK OUT.

No football games for me. Gonna have to stick to FIFA:RTTWC and fight night for my sporting fix. :-(
/plans to buy SC:DA tomorrow.

I got my copy of PES6 for the 360 today and I have to say it is an immense dissapointment. It feels like a four year old game and lacks the smooth feel of FIFA07.

The only reason I chose it over FIFA was that I loved PES4 and 5 and was confident that #6 on the 360 would be a big step forward for the series. Sadly not, the game is pretty much identical to 4 and 5 and the poor animation and shoddy presentation are a lot more visible in HD.

The gameplay itself feels tired and old when I compare it to FIFA07 on 360, It plays very slowly and short passing in particular becomes irritating as 90% seem to be underhit with the recieving player standing still rather than coming to meet the ball.

PES6 is very much a last/current gen game, it looks old feels old and features none of the exciting new things that make FIFA07 stand out on the 360. Hopefuly PES7 will be a real next gen game, but until then, for me, FIFA is very much the king on 360.

Its all about enjoying the gaming experience...We are all here becuase we loove football - soccer pah! Thus as much as we are all dissapointed it would seem with pes6, there must be an older revision that we love in order to be able to curse the things that we dont like; or indeed lament the things that we dreamed of but didnt make it to the new game. That makes me think..what version does everyone love best? Just because its new doesnt mean its better... evolution is sometimes devolution. i have a mate that we call De-even-lution Dave becuase he only like pro evo 2 and then 4. As previously said i still really like ISS! Whats everyones opinions?

Konami are such pricks. For me they're just a step behind Sony in the arrogance stakes. In fact strike that, they're a step in front, on their knees sucking Sony's cock.

I can't believe they NEVER give the fans that graphical overhaul that we all wanna see. This year they have no excuse; instead of sorting out the graphics and impressing us all on 360, they've done the opposite and made microsoft look like mugs. This fucking Japanese allegiance bollocks that Jap developers seems to have pisses me off. I'm going over there next year, and when I do I'm gonna bust some heads! You mark my words! MARK MY WORDS!

Personaly I'm waiting for a football game where the AI wins with skill rather than cheating by making their players untacklable, forcing your players out of position and so they can't hit the broadside of a barn when shooting.

This isn't it sadly.

I have one thing to say to those Microsoft execs: ha, ha, ha! Take you're exclusive and shove it! I've not been convinced by the 360 and Konomi have given me another reason not bother myself with it. Ha, ha! The 360 version sounds positively embarrassing! Sorry. Fanboyish I know. But I've had a long day and I want a bit of fun.

jesus, this sounds like a pile of poo, PES4 was brilliant, PES5 midfield pinball and this sounds even worse.

think I may be getting the first Fifa since 2000.

PS - @dsmx - I know exactly where you're coming from on that point.

It's nice to know I'm not alone in my opinion on the AI in this game.

Remember the 2007 version will be the real next gen version...

I'm in agreement with a few here. Although it IS PES, the game we all know and love, there is a distinct bad taste left in my mouth after playing this. The gameplay is great yes, there's no doubt about that but it's just the same old PEs that I've been playing for the last couple of years.

In fact for all the "improvements" in this year's game what we lose in the 360 version is a disgrace. OK so they might not be major issues but the lack of a save facility on replays is unbelievable. Add to that the fact that you cannot edit team names and I feel a bit ripped off. Even worse, there's less teams and the graphics are nothing special, even no better than PES 5 on the PC last year. Yes graphics aren't everything but this game is on a next gen console and I expect more....much more.

I should have bought this on PC, I bet you can edit stuff on that and save replays and it will look just the same. To spend 40 quid on this and feel so non plussed makes me feel a little angry. Why did no one who played the preview versions on the 360 not mention the stuff that's missing? I noticed them within 5 minutes of playing as they are so glaring, as did many people here. There's no excuse Konami, the 360 version is just plain shoddy and a big let down, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

After all these years of playing football games, there still has never been a truly great game on any system that truly has all the features, licences, gameplay, graphics, depth and truly captures the feeling of the great game. Heck even games like Sensible Soccer and Kick Off on the Amiga were as close to perfection back then as you could get and they had a lot more depth than any current gen games.

Ah well, I will still play it but it's not the step forward I was hoping for.

You should have written separate reviews. Frankly it was hardly likely Konami were going to pull a complete sea-change and do a blinder for MS. It's not surprising they've pissed out the 360 version.

As usual the only version that really matters is the next PS2 version, and I would have prefered two pages talking about the changes from Pro Evo 5, which is all that any true Pro Evo obsessive cares about.

Who has played the PS2 version and can touch on things like goalies, refs, cards, corners/throw-ins and general AI improvements (or lack of?)?

Just read the review and from what I've experienced so far, I couldnt agree more with both of them, especially Kristans. Excellent review allround. To an extent I also agree with ManicMiner - its somewhat hard to mark PES nowadays as people are so rabid in liking it they seem to be pretty happy with the status quo being maintained, mainly because its such a decent game there in the first place, the gameplay itself does only need minor tweaking.

I can also see the point about it being inpenetrable for newcomers, but at the same time, it adds an element of realism in that if you are playing someone good, you can/have to do what a smaller club has to do against better opposition: concentrate on keeping tight, maybe play a more defensive formation. I've never really got into the PES games, I prefer the immediacy of FIFA, but generally if you watch alot of football, you can see where you're going to get caught out and so account for it simply by reading the game.

I've picked up both 360 football games, and from a brief play, as I have done in previous years will enjoy both, but PES as always is no "pick up and play" game. I'm really interested in seeing the FIFA review now though as from what I've seen so far, it has just as much going for it, and as many flaws as PES. Based on Krudsters comments here I wouldnt be surprised to see him score it higher (not Tom though if they do another split review!). That'll put the cat among the pigeons. Could be an interesting day :)

"Who has played the PS2 version and can touch on things like goalies, refs, cards, corners/throw-ins and general AI improvements (or lack of?)?"

Try the forums at http://www.pesfan.com for that kind of in-depth stuff. :) I totally agree that they should have had two separate reviews. The differences between the PS2 and 360 versions sound pretty significant and talking about them both at once isn't very helpful.

"Having raked in the profits from selling literally tens of millions of copies of the various PES games over the years, it's absolutely mystifying why Konami still brings its most important game to market with such a degree of unapologetic poverty"

Wow. I just have to admire this sentence - it is what Eurogamer is about. The rest of the review is superb, too. ALthough it still did not help me in the buy/not buy decision.

That said, where's the FIFA review? it has been AGES.

It's clear to me I won't be getting either FIFA07 or PES6 this year.. Both games for the Xbox 360 have way to little content and options compared to the current-gen versions.. I don't accept the excuse both developers make that it's so much more work to create a next-gen version that they have to leave so much content and options out, it's BS!!

I'll just wait till next year when they probably release next-gen only versions that do have all the content and options again.. All of a sudden it's not so much work anymore then, geez how strange (/sarcasm)..

unsurprising, to say the least.

99% of the game's fanbase owns a PS2 and will buy the cheaper PS2 version. why bother waisting money and resources on the 360 version, when only a fraction will buy it?

I'm partially with Foglord here. So +1, almost.

If I was Konami, I would concentrate on the PlayStation 2, of course, and the 360 version would be almost an afterthought. The difference in sales forecast alone half justifies it. Some would say in this context that Konami has milked the cow - or looking at it from the other end, has responded to its contractual obligations. However, you don't need programming magicians to come up with new elements such as licenses or audio commentaries. In all, Konami should have polished the next generation version a little bit the level of what 360 users will get.

I think in the future we will come to see Pro Evo 6 as a transition title, natively designed for the previous gen. Pro Evo 7 will probably be created almost from scratch for PS3 and 360. Things should end up being very differently.

Played it all day yesterday on the 360 and I am a little bemused by the 360 version comments. Its better than Pro Evo 5 although getting an online game is difficult. I guess that may improve with more people online.

How many people bother to change all the team names? (I think I did once in PES3 but never since) How many people go more than 5 minutes before turning the commentary off (Bonus of the 360 version is you can listen to your own music while playing)? Can you even see the staduims once the game starts? Is this any different from previous years?

Are these all not just a little bit insignificant compared to the actual gameplay which still delivers in the same way. Yeah its frustrating as hell at times but nothing beats the satisfaction of beating your mate 1-0 with a shot that rebounds off the post and hits the keeper in the back of the head and goes in.

Personally I think Konami should take a break for a year to seriously improve the game generally rather than fall into the EA trap of a game a year but I guess that is unlikely to happen.

let take a different approach :

why blame Konami they were paid to do it and did it because a MS wanted to steal some thunder out of the PS2 version and expand user base over sony coz many would find a reason to buy a new first time next gen pro only on 360.
MS got obsessed with the idea forgetting that the game was developed for so many years on playstations and only a couple on xbox engines plus that there is no time to make a true next gen in a blink of an eye and wanted just to cash in the name...Konami had little time and did what she could in the given time MS wanted
konami got paid to do it and had no reason not to do so.
people know what PES is and know what to expect from Konami its not konami fault if there was shitloads of cash for the taking by MS even if they compromised the result its still a business and they are not stupid to deny "exclusivity funds"

i m off to buy my ps2 version of the game and keep my comments of anger in case Konami does this twice which will be more or less inexcusable next time around.

How many people have actually played the game here? lol Demos.. pfft. Whoever has based their opinion on not buying the game because of a review which infact did still get 8/10, despite the slamming of the game, deserves a slap tbh. Had this game two days, started master league (henry is the best in the game imo) and enjoyed every bit of it. You can score amazing goals through pure passing football and the gameplay is still second to none. Fifa 07 for xbox 360 is nothing compared to this game. If a defender has caught up with you from miles away then you're just running in a straight line. Great game, 9/10!

"Tom - You do know you now have to sprint by double tapping the way you're facing"

It's like Double Dragon again! What's wrong with the analogue stick?


Does it automatically set the goalkeeper as the taker of free kicks in his quater of the pitch? It seems such a small change that would make football games more realistic. It looks silly when a mildfielder takes freekicks in their own six yard box.

FIFA review still due this morning, chaps?

why give it score 8. it sounds more like 6/10

even sillier sometimes when you see a free kick being given 40+m away
and still there are 3players forming a wall.... reducing you defence power once opposition hits the x button

Thats my PE6 purchase out the window. The new console is supposed to be next-gen not half-gen!

Suspect Fifa 07 will get a similar score because its been equally cut down for 360, I would think it is more accessible to play though so Eurogamer will pitch them as equals. Hope the review comes before lunchtime so I can decide whether to pick it up in Tescos!

i've been contemplating buying a new PES for a while now, but i think i'll stick with PES 3 still.

I already found PES5 a borefest.

PES 4 was fantastic, and then PES 5 happened and I got 0-0 in my first 10 matches. Seems this builds further on that.

On top of that at least on my PS2 I could get option files to sort out the licensing crap, but on 360 you can't edit your teamnames anymore? Bright move... makes even Master League uninteresting.

Best footy game hands down... on the PS2...

oh man that tickles my ribs ..8 stadiums.

Fuck off with your Liverpool references. Just FUCK OFF.

Jesus, Kennysim, have you just walked through a storm?

can anyone seem to get a game online btw? I've tried ranked and quick game. But still nothing :/. I think the games ace btw, loved pes and always will.

I've been playing PES/IIS for years, loved PES 1-4 but for some reason never got on with PES5. PES6 for my 360 came in the post today and I've been playing it tonight. After a few 1-0 matches it's all suddenly clicked. Just had a great match against the computer, playing as Arsenal I beat Man Utd 5-4 on the standard difficulty level.

Scoring from crosses, corners, freeekicks and just outside the area seem much easier. It's gets frustrating sometimes when you're in the box and you sky the ball over the bar but that's because you have 4 defenders pressuring you on the ball which I guess is the same as real life.

Ok, so the presentation could be better, there could be more stadiums (but not that you notice when you're actually playing), and it would be nice to change the team names but once you click with this game you won't look back.

Winning the ball with a sliding tackle in your own half then one two-ing the ball through midfield and then going on a jinking run with Henry to score with a 30yrd screamer will put a smile on your face. It did on mine anyway. It's just a shame I couldn't save the goal!

Anyone played online yet? :/ Still can't get a game. But i found out that playing vs regular AI is harder than top class :/. For e.g. I started master league with Arsenal on regular, won 8 drew 1. Then started another master league with chelsea and won my opening four games by more than one goal margins. Maybe Arsenal are just not as effective or it's easier to play better football against top class. But the games kicks ass! :D Just need to sort out online :/ Chelsea's my team anyway! :D

Note that play-wise, the PES6 on the PS2/PC is very different from the PES6 for Xbox 360.

" Note that play-wise, the PES6 on the PS2/PC is very different from the PES6 for Xbox 360."

How man ? It has the same gameplay code, it only differs graphic-wise, and even in this field I'm almost sure they just increased it to HD.
I guess your opinion enters the esoteric field...

I can't imagine how you guys keep using that piece of old plastic..., named PS2..., damn you're old...

"I can't imagine how you guys keep using that piece of old plastic..., named PS2...,"

They plug it in and turn it on, that's how.

Firstly, Kristan doesn't like the game, he's a bitter nastly pice of Shizer and as usual, he loves giving games a kick in just to be contentious.

Secondly, he is totally and utterly wrong, I have played both versions, the 360 version is so much better than the PS2, it may have more features, but all I care about is gameplay- don't even notice the stadium, never play anything other than 1 on 1 especially online. And IF you can get a PS2 online (which I doubt he did), and then find a match you will be lucky...

Thirdly, check his Gamertag out and check how much of the game he actually played - says it all really.

Kristan, stop being such a idiot and actually play the games you review, you've been doing it long enough, surely you must know that by now.

The headline is so misleading, you really are an old hack aren't you...crap journalism. Simple as that.

So its the PC version to buy since that'll have the content and options of the PS2 version and the graphics of the 360...PC for teh win ?? :-/

I think it's unfair to say PES is not for newcomers , heck the game does come with a tutorial on how to pass , how to keep possesion , how to shoot etc . And if you're really that rubbish , just put the difficulty on 1 star .

You know what I agree (see below) - though still think FIFA's also good. Spot on mate...spot on. What is it with everyone whingeing about two great footie games on the 360? Every forum I look at...

Damn people unless I'm seriously wrong two of the best if not the best footie games on a computer were released yesterday.

"Firstly, Kristan doesn't like the game, he's a bitter nastly pice of Shizer and as usual, he loves giving games a kick in just to be contentious.

Secondly, he is totally and utterly wrong, I have played both versions, the 360 version is so much better than the PS2, it may have more features, but all I care about is gameplay- don't even notice the stadium, never play anything other than 1 on 1 especially online. And IF you can get a PS2 online (which I doubt he did), and then find a match you will be lucky...

Thirdly, check his Gamertag out and check how much of the game he actually played - says it all really.

Kristan, stop being such a idiot and actually play the games you review, you've been doing it long enough, surely you must know that by now.

The headline is so misleading, you really are an old hack aren't you...crap journalism. Simple as that."

Dear Eurogamer,

I fail to see how you can give a game that has actually DE-EVOLVED an 8.

I'm not talking about the 360 version here, that version is a joke, I'm talking about the PS2 version which has always been the flagship for the series and the only one Konami cares about. (Because Playstation is Japanese owned see)

Let's look at some facts:

- PES6 drops an entire LEAGUE from the game, while FIFA07 acquires an exclusive licence with a new league (Mexican League) while still having the fully licensed league Konami was forced to drop. (German Bundesliga)

- Konami release Other Teams C in lieu of the German League, and expect their fanbase to edit the game manually, while REMOVING the ability to create color logos (sponsors) in game.

- Konami have made no changes to the Master League apart from a small tweak in Transfer Frequency, while the FIFA fan can simulate the real life draw of the UEFA Champions League & UEFA Cup, the PES fan cannot as with only 4 leagues, smaller teams like Celtic, Steua Bucharest, etc NEVER qualify because the big clubs who must share a league with them continually take their spots.

- At one point, a PSP shot indicated that Konami were going to bring back an 8 team Division 3 to be re-instated into the Master League, but they obviously scraped that idea. With so many English fans and French fans - who cares about the Championship or Ligue 2 right?

- Konami has the licence to Spains Segunda Division, Italy's Serie B, the Dutch second division, and Ligue 2, but they don't use them because they are too LAZY to code the game to include an adequate second division.

Honestly, since PES4 what improvements have taken place over the last 3 years?

- Tweaks in Gamplay
- Acquisition of French licence.
- Loss of German licence.

How can a game with EVOLUTION in it's name, do LESS than the BARE MINIMUM and still recieve an 8 out of 10, while EA SPORTS has recoded their game yet again, and acquired another licence?

I know you guys are avid Pro Evo fans like I am, but your 8 out of 10 says two things:

Firstly to the world it says your ratings are inconsistent and bias, it means you'll use your discretion to give some games a 'pass' when they don't deserve it purely because they have a special place in your heart.

But that doesn't concern me, what concerns me is the second point ...

Secondly, Konami don't listen to their fans, they listen to sales and reviews.

The sales are going to be good for the PES series again this year, despite the odd person here or there thinking that abstaining from purchase will hurt Konami - it won't.

If Konami see reviewers give their lazy efforts an 8 out of 10 (A Distinction at University BTW) they see NOTHING wrong with their Modus Operandi, and what they are doing to their fan base with minimal improvements to some areas, losses at others, and a general static approach to the supposed 'Evolution' of the series.

The onus is on YOU as reviewers to keep the games companies pushing forward. YOU influence opinion, YOU can be the difference between many people buying a game or abstaining from it.

You can't say the game is half-finished or the company funnels away its many profits without giving back to its fans and still REWARD that company with such a stellar rating.

Konami will hear what it wants to hear, the sales are pleasant to their ears and so are reviews such as yours.

There's an old adage that for evil to triumph, good people must do nothing. Obviously it would be a tad melodramatic to imply Konami are evil, but the principle applies, if YOU want an EVOLUTION, you CANNOT sit back and do nothing but applaud this company for their MEDIOCRE efforts.

YOU are our voice (the fans), and you also have a tremendous power and respect in the gaming world, USE IT, be critical about the game, the game deserves a 6/10 and no more for the little updates and general malaise of the series.

If you want Pro Evo 7 to have a better Master League, more licences etc, you're going the wrong way about it.

Sincerely,
KaL.

The 360 version is a complete disgrace. Playing Iss and then proEvo since its release aeons ago and i feel cheated. Konami should recall the game and refund the gamers or exchange it with the complete version if it really exists. Fo the first time i may go and trade it with FIFA. So sorry but i may do it. At least EA seem to improve while Konami is deteriorating.

have to say im a little disappointed with the extras for ps2 but really doesn't matter too much as long as the gameplay is good and i have to say so far iam happy with the way it plays all of the annoying things from pes5 have disappearted especially the too strict ref!!

gameplay is good not too easy on regular yet to try the hardest but yeah i won't be swapping to the dark side that is fifa any time soon!

whats up with xbox live though i have tried to get matches and so far havent not too happy with this it should work from the box without having to get patches as it appears lots of people are having this problem!!!!!

I've put in a good 10 hours play now on the PS2 and I have to say it's a vast improvement over PES5 (which I really liked). Main pluses so far are :

- players not on rails (very rarely have to use super cancel)
- long passes actualy work
- throughballs a lot better (not so much pace)
- You can actually accelerate away from slow players
- better at defending corners
- referee's are excellent
- strikers less inclined to move offside all the time
- passes less likely to get intercepted
- can counter attack quickly from opposition corners/freekicks like the old games

Basically it flows so much better and I feel less restricted to what I can do, unlike in PES5 when the same passes went astray etc.

For those of you having trouble with shooting, I think it depend on factors like how close a defender is, if you have your back to goal, the happiness rating of your player. I played Argentina as Brazil with all players on red arrows in a 20min game and beat them 9-1 on regular difficulty level, so it is possible to bang in a brace !!

It's obvious what's happened. Konami are pissed off with Microsoft's "we have both footy titles for a year EXCLUSIVE!!!!11" announcement. However, instead of playing their hand and deciding to wait for the PS3 before releasing all versions simultaneously, they purposely crippled the 360 version as a kind of kick in the face to MS, like a "Don't bullshit or we'll do this" warning. This way, they won't lose an entire format's sales, and the informed would just got for the PS2 version.

That, and some national pride towards their home console that have supported them for the past decade and beyond. Unlucky Microsoft.

OhWiseOne: spot on, when I saw his GamerTag he didn't even had the "10 online games" Achievement. Damn, I thought "fanboysm" was a teenager thing...

BlueTooth: Let's make a Live game, maybe you change your mind. Send your GamerTag.

8/10 these guys are idiots.

Played it to death, fantastic, absolutely magnificent on the 360, looks like an 8-bit conversion on PS2. I see Official gave it an 8 too, then gave Football Manager a 9.

What has the world come to?