Pro Evolution Soccer 6 Comments by Kristan Reed

damn second

i knew they would screw up the 360 version

Krud, Mugwun: What should I but tomorrow FIFA07 or PES6. I'll put it this way, you've got £50 and you can only afford one, what would you get?

JESUS CHRIST!!!

The differences are unbelievable. I do not understand this, unless its to pimp all the 'extras' on marketplace.

Looks like FIFA may be the way to go for the first time ever for me.

FIFA review coming first thing tomorrow....

whats the bet they are waiting on developing the Ps3 version and decided the screw the 360 owners (for now) as they didnt think it was worth it till they were doing a muiltiformat true next gen version?

After playing the shocking FIFA 07 demo on the marketplace and after reading this review this might be the year where I don't buy any football games.

"Having raked in the profits from selling literally tens of millions of copies of the various PES games over the years, it's absolutely mystifying why Konami still brings its most important game to market with such a degree of unapologetic poverty. PES6 stinks of a cynical, half-arsed attempt to mug the 360's hungry user-base into buying a next-gen version of their favourite football game. Not only is it far from 'next-gen' it's not even properly finished."

Yes. Yes EXACTLY.

more convinced I was right to not buy this than ever. seventy euro saved.

Wow, it sounds horrible.

8/10?! Sounds more like a 6!

It looks like for the first time Konami and EA have swapped around:
One company treads water and recycles last years version and the other attempts to bring something new to the table.

I wouldn't go that far, but the cracks are there for all to see.

This 360 version smells of the development team behind the nintendo versions of pro evo, mind those? They were awful and I mean awful. Still, this game (in its PS2 form) will suffice and I will buy it anyway, theres nothing like beating your sister (who plays real football very well ) 3- nil, it really show her who mum and dad love bestest!

Yeah!

Sturridge

two exclusive stadiums

ooooh, sign me up...

Aw crap! Just bought this but haven't opened the packaging. WHAT TO DO!

/bites nails all wide eyed n shit

I'm amazed that they'll charge a premium for an inferior version on the 360 ... Good graphics we expect but what about all the features they've missed out.

oh, shit.

I was all ready to go out and buy this on 360 tomorrow morning.

Now, after playing the demo for a couple of weeks, I'm wondering if I should just buy Fifa instead.

The next gen is about more choice and less options.

It's so difficult to score, I want to give it a 5 for the nasty cheap production values of the 360 version.

But then you play a game and realise that PES6 just plays a brilliant game of football. Examples I've had over the last day:

Henry turns away from the defender on the half way line (using the one touch turn) moves onto goal, opens his body up and slots it into the corner.

On another occasion again using Henry I pick up the ball by the box, the defender takes me away from goal but I have a split second and lash it across goal into the top corner of the net.

Both times football perfection, which deserve a 9. Just glad I'm not a reviewer.

I want crypt-keeper Sven!

well i will still buy it over fifa even if the version is as bad as they say it is it cant be worse than fifa i hate fifa and have played pro evo from the start and probs will for a long time maybe this is how they keep the sales ticking over as i still play pes 5 even thpough it is the most frustrating game ever it cant be worse than the refs blowing all the time if they have taken them out as they say then i will be happy!!!

Thanking Konami for that exclusivity now Microsoft?

yeah its a bit sucky that ps2 owners get more than us 360 owners but i dont care about stupid things like more stadiums - who gives a f*** they dont make the game play any different and i aint that bothered about visuals gameplay people!!!!

anyway im still getting it will asda 24 hour stores sell this after 12 tonight? i wanna go and get it cos i have put a hol in at work to spend all day playing it!!!

Dissappointing shit for sure, it's pretty poor how slack/complacent Konami have become, especially when you consider that this is the sort of thing that the extremely fickle gaming community online likes to bash EA exclusively for.

Nevertheless, it's PES6, on 360. I'll still be getting it on launch day, I've been playing the PSP PES5 and desperately need to get back to a console. The fact that they've cut numerous corners is pretty fucking paltry though, and I hope some shit is fixed in an update which we don't have to bloody well pay for, because as mentioned, the inability to save replays on the 360 is ludicrous and frankly, inexcusable.

As for the game itself and the mechanics, that is a shame, I thought the attack was being refined to make it a bit more fun and such, but instead it seems like the defence has been refined. Not that there's anything wrong with that but scoring in PES5 was so much fun, to lose that would be very unfortunate, especially considering that PES5 was hampered by many issues which seem to have been fixed here.

Is just incredibly dissappointing and non-sensical that they've been so slack with the 360 version, I'm sure it'll all be fixed next time around but this shouldn't have been the case in the first place,and co development of last gen and next gen titles is something that has really been shitting me so far with the 360, because it's more prolific than any generational shift before it. Developers badly need to get with the times and look toward the future rather than dwelling on the past, no matter how lucrative it may be. PES6 on PS2 should have been the crippled version if any, not the 360 version, encouraging people to move on and such. Poor form Konami.

Heh, so the Xbox 360 has features cut out that I never used, but better graphics and widescreen mode and running in 1080i.

Nope, doesn't convince me to buy the PS2 version instead. Besides, there's a chance we'll get the rest of the game later - although for a little more cash.

Also, he Xbox 360 manual says you can save the replays? Did they print the same manual, and forgot to remove the features from the manual? Maybe they're planning on adding it in a patch, but wanted to release the game simultaneously with the other versions.

"I'll buy it anyway"

And so the rot continues.

Iirc weren't MS insisting that 360 versions of multiplatform release at same time as other versions, therefore in some games features are being cut so that it can be released at the same as the other versions, probably that's what happened here?

Isn't this going into EA territory now?
With downloads available to buy to make the 360 version have the same features as the ps2 one?

'Moo', says cashcow.

"well i will still buy it over fifa even if the version is as bad as they say it is it cant be worse than fifa i hate fifa and have played pro evo from the start and probs will for a long time maybe this is how they keep the sales ticking over as i still play pes 5 even thpough it is the most frustrating game ever it cant be worse than the refs blowing all the time if they have taken them out as they say then i will be happy!!! "

Down with punctuation!

LOL! The PS2 version is streets ahead of the X360 version! Including online! ;) :D

scientist its a forum not a fu**in writing contest ya sad basta**

I've played FIFA07 on the PS2 since it came out. And no doubt it is the better overall package when I compare the two. FIFA07 is fully licensed, the controls can be mapped the same as PES, Online play with USB headset, Interactive Leagues (which I really enjoy BTW), to list but a few.

But when you come down to the playing the actual game of football - PES6 on the PS2 (I don't have a gaming PC, or xbox360) plays the better game of football. It 'feels' better - you feel like you have more control, the players are more intuitive, the ball behaves better, the game flows better.

The best direct comparison I can think of is defence. After three weeks of playing FIFA07, I still haven't mastered defence - it might be a problem with me of course, but online I have been constantly frustrated with the way my defence behaves, regardless of what defensive tactic I try (although "pressure" appears the least worst). In PES the defence appears to be a more cohesive unit, and mistakes are still made - but they are usual *my* fault, so I blame myself, not the game.

Overall I think the gap between the two has closed dramatically. Both have a lot to offer. PES6 edges it for me, as it is about the game of football, but FIFA doesn't have to do much more to eclipse it. A couple of tweaks, and PES is in real trouble.

"co development of last gen and next gen titles is something that has really been shitting me so far with the 360, because it's more prolific than any generational shift before it"

+1,000

I watch videos of Gears of War and go 'oh hey so that's what it looks like when a developer actually gets to devote time to making a 360 exclusive'. even the new Splinter Cell, which still looks pretty great, is just a very polished 720p version of the other platform versions, all of which use the Chaos Theory engine, which was built using UE2. aaargh. multiplatform development always sinks towards its lowest target platform, which in many cases is still the decrepit ol' PS2.

I'm with you Yossarian - Wii FTW!

For those that seem to have missed it, both FIFA and ProEvo are available in a lot of shops now. Street dates broken all over. I got ProEvo at my local HMV for £37.95, even Game had it at £39.99. FIFA was still £49.99.

PS2 version FTW then?

It's like some one has just pissed on the mona lisa.

Krudster said
"FIFA review coming first thing tomorrow.... "

So the celophene will stay on PES6 tonight then...

Just a thought. And I haven't played Pro Evo that much. But I used to play ISS religiously.

The new versions always seemed impossble to score in at first. You had to relearn your skills, that's what made it great eventually. Stop whingeing and go and play your football game.

@ jonsaan yeah mate it was like that for at least the last 2 versions!!!

"scientist its a forum not a fu**in writing contest ya sad basta**"

Scientist is a forum? I thought he was a human being. You just can't trust forums these days. Writing in forums and stuff, what/who do they think they are?

Edit: Oh I see now! Scientist is NOT a writing contest. Thanks for the clarification, mate!

Played the fifa demo on marketplace and thought it was trash. Was hoping that PES would be the one to opt for. I will not be buying any football game this time around by the looks of it, if developers cannot be bothered to at least attempt to match the previous gen content then I cannot be bothered to part with the cash. And no I am not downloading extra content to bolster the game. I did'nt with GRAW and I won't do it with half finished software. Please take note M$.

And don't think that you PS3 potential owners will escape this issue, you know that they are going to charge you. Mind you by the time PS3 is released in Europe we should have left previous gen behind.

/* saves cash for R6 and GOW.
/* contemplates return to PC gaming.

LOL

Still people saying that you have to pay for PS3 online.

When will you ever learn?

Not your basic membership like LIVE gold but charging will be in place for extra content, and online gaming charges up to the game publisher. Enjoy.

So PES gets an 8 out of 10 bumper sticker. How nice.

How a game that has "crippling flaws" can get an 8 is nuts. But then as the reveiwer points out "so many people seem willing to overlook [them] year upon year" As a reviewer, you're in the a position not to overlook them, yet you slap on an 8/10 score that Konami will happily pimp on the game case.


Tha same crap rubber band AI, the scripted feeling of certain matches, after all this time Master league is still a shallow playing experience after how many iterations of the game!?

Reading the reviews make it sound as though it's a 6.

There was a website last year that was very critical of PES 5 and gave it a 7 (if I remeber correctly) and Konami promptly withdrew advertising.

Still, what's in a score (or a franchise name)... ?

Publisher's have no reason to charge customers for online gaming, they never have done in the past, with the MMO exception, why would they start now? Exactly...

...And extra content charges are a given, Sony never said to anyone they would be free.

360 online is shit can't even get a fucking game

Wasn't it like this with the step up from PS1 to PS2 too? Gran Turismo 3, for example, was really degraded when it comes to content, compared to Gran Turismo 2. I think it's because of the time it takes to learn to develop on the system and that the development takes longer and has a larger team.

But I guess we can hope that next years FIFA/PES won't be like this. After all, by then all of the next gens are out, and I have no doubt that developers are waiting for the PS3 to be released so that they can earn some big money on next-gen games. Thus making games more complete.

Oh, and to the guy who said Gears of War looks like a next-gen title. Not to me. Unless you consider better graphics next-gen. What I thought when I saw the in-game action yesterday was "this looks like every other third person shooter but with better graphics". This game could've been done on a PS2, apart from the graphics. And the setting doesn't exactly scream originality, nor does it scream variety. If the game will look like this all through the 10-15 hours it takes to complete it, you're gonna be pretty sick of the setting when you reach the end.

But I guess that game is all about online multiplayer.

The online thing is unforgiveable really. Given how much easier it is to do an online game for xbox than PS2 there is no reason why they can have 4v4 online on PS2 but not on the xbox. I can only assume they couldn't be bothered with the hassle of managing Xbox live accounts for more than one person but that does smack of lazyness there are plenty of games that have done this in the past. Since its all done through the dashboard it should be even easier than it was with xbox.

"Sony's system will be handing off significantly more control to game publishers, who will be able to run their own game servers as they see fit. Although Sony will be creating a standard infrastructure for the service, with data centres in Asia, North America and Europe, the system will still run over the conventional Internet and publishers will be able to connect their own servers to it.

This opens the possibility that game publishers could charge their own fees for playing games, which is indeed likely to be the case for titles such as massively multiplayer games"

I hope I am wrong because quite frankly the M$ charging model is guff. But someone has got to pay to run those publishers servers, you know EA will try anything to rake in some more cash ;-)

I smell another Lumines debacle - wonder how many add on packs will get released for this? Stadium Pack? Meat Pie Pack?