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The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Comments by Kristan Reed

24 March, 2006

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EGBartonFink
24/03/06 @ 15:06
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Jaysus I never thought anybody would think EG refer to other sites for review scores (GR:AW anybody).

It's been said around here ad infinitum that 10/10 does not mean that the game is absolutely perfect. There is no such thing.
Lonestar
24/03/06 @ 15:06
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I went in Game today to buy this (for the PC) and the normal edition was around £35 and the collectors edition £40. Popped into HMV and both edtions were £30. At first I thought it was a mistake but plumped for the collectors edition - just for that extra booklet thing.

No mistake.
Yossarian
24/03/06 @ 15:07
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"I wonder if they'll do a PS3 version. That'll sort out the framerate issues!

(ducks)"

yawn@u
Blerk
24/03/06 @ 15:08
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Just out of interest, how long did you play for before writing the review, Kristan?
lennon
24/03/06 @ 15:08
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Havent read the review yet but I am about to. The game is awesome. I agree with Furbs after the first few minutes it just felt so special.

The combat is still iffy but Im finding it more forgiving than morrowind.
Eighthours
24/03/06 @ 15:09
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Obviously a sign of the times [Fired! - Ed] [But I am the Ed - Ed].

Send for the roflcopter, I thought that was great.

10/10, eh? Well deserved IMO.
Dizzy
24/03/06 @ 15:10
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10? Wow guys.. impressive. I just got it here sitting on my desk. Now I am even more excited getting home!!!!
Scientist
24/03/06 @ 15:11
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"Scientist, how many 10's have been awarded in EG's history?"

This has nothing to do with the point I was making. You've exposed yourself on several occasions already in this comments section for missing the point or misunderstanding what others have said.
Next time count to ten before putting "thoughts" to paper.
bionutz
24/03/06 @ 15:13
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OK, sold!
krudster [mod]
24/03/06 @ 15:15
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Blerk - about 30 hours. I wish it could have been 100, but then you'd get the review in April and I'd be fired.

To be fair, after about 10 hours I'd had enough fun to justify the 10 anyway. It gets better the further you get in my experience.
Fubdub
24/03/06 @ 15:17
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I WANT to play this, but I can't afford a new computer untill summer or beyond. It's torment to read about this game and know it's completely out of your reach.
Yossarian
24/03/06 @ 15:17
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so what are the sanctified EG 10s?
Furbs
24/03/06 @ 15:18
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Sterling work Sir. I admire your dedication to the job. Must be such a hardship :P
EGBartonFink
24/03/06 @ 15:21
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I WANT to play this, but I can't afford a new computer untill summer or beyond. It's torment to read about this game and know it's completely out of your reach.
Oh just pick up a 360 it will be cheaper ;)
jonnyreb
24/03/06 @ 15:24
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Due to some shady connections at my local game shop I actually picked this up yesterday evening.

Suffice to say I got about 2 hours sleep last night.....I can't see myself playing WoW for a few months while I'm enjoying this.

It really is amazing....without descending into pages of features, it simply is just the most amazing game I have played for years - in every sense (graphics, sound, story, AI, interactivity, load times, options).

You had me at hello :)
rauper [staff]
24/03/06 @ 15:25
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to see scores in order, click on 'games' and then 'scores'. You can also do this per platform if you like.
manic_mouse
24/03/06 @ 15:26
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Sounds great! And luckily I have the collectors edition waiting for me at home!

\o/ Hooray!
firm3d
24/03/06 @ 15:27
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You had me at "get lost".
Fatfish
24/03/06 @ 15:28
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Wasn't too sure about this one to be honest - had mixed feelings as to whether I should pick it up or not. The 2 things putting me off were the hype and the time required to dedicate to playing it. However, after reading that review and (almost more importantly for me) other EG's views of the game, I will definately be picking up my pre-ordered copy from GAME on the way home. In fact, I'm even knocking off an hour early to get home before the girlfriend does!

Can anyone tell me if the 360 CE is worth paying the extra £££ for? Not worried in the slightest about the coin, but is the extra book useful (hints/tips/bestiary etc.), or just background story/history to beef it all up with (if you can be arsed to read it all)??
groovychainsaw
24/03/06 @ 15:30
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This better be waiting for me at home when I get there.... :-)
Dizzy
24/03/06 @ 15:32
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"Can anyone tell me if the 360 CE is worth paying the extra £££ for? Not worried in the slightest about the coin, but is the extra book useful (hints/tips/bestiary etc.), or just background story/history to beef it all up with (if you can be arsed to read it all)?? "

Extra book is basically just background story fluff.

The extra DVD is interesting.. making off. A bit like the LotR extras.

Only 5 euro extra over here.
moosebiscuit
24/03/06 @ 15:33
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Mine still hasn't arrived from Play. :(
Furbs
24/03/06 @ 15:34
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Fatfish - the CE is nice - the 120 page booklet reminds me of the good old days when this was the norm. The map is pretty cheaply printed (very easy to tear I think) and I havent looked at the extras disc.

Worth an extra tenner? Hmm probably not. Fiver probably (thanks to mail order I paid the same price anyway). If it sways you, the CE packaging fits in nicely with the LotR special edition DVDs :)
Stickman
24/03/06 @ 15:34
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"Morrowind I'd give a 5(6 after patches, 7 with mods), Oblivion an 8"

Get out.
Xerx3s
24/03/06 @ 15:36
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Spoton. I luv this game! \0/ But a 10/10? I dont want to be nitpicking, but 10/10 scores are bs imo (like i said with SotC or whatever it was that got a 10/10 a while back). Sure, it will be one of the best games of this year, but it has its faults and thus cannot be a perfect score. A 9 would be better.

Ah crap, i AM nitpicking...

;p
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24/03/06 @ 15:37
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Installed the PC version @ work and played it during lunch.

It is quite excellent and I'm gonna waste a lot of time in it, but there were small issues that came up even in just an hour of playing.

Like enemies running in the air, teleporting enemies and odd ragdollbehaviour. But it's all excusable just for the sheer scale of the thing.
Fatfish
24/03/06 @ 15:39
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Thanks for the info folks.

@ Furbs - I can't wait to hear the story about when you come home pissed one night, put the LotR DVD in by mistake and be yet again amazed at how impressive and lifelike the graphics are in Oblivion!!

If I owned the LotR special edition DVD's, it might make a difference

....................but I don't so it doesn't. ;)
Furbs
24/03/06 @ 15:40
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Xerx3s, since you cant have a perfect game, are you saying then that they should only mark out of 9? Doesnt make sense really does it.

10 to me means its one of the best games out there, both within, and across the genre. It doesnt imply perfection at all.
Fatfish
24/03/06 @ 15:41
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@ Xerx3s - Just accept it as a NEAR perfect score then and don't get all OCD over it! :P
Stickman
24/03/06 @ 15:42
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10 != Perfect.

Repeat 10 times.
Blerk
24/03/06 @ 15:43
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I don't suppose there's a demo of the PC version, is there?
BremXJones
24/03/06 @ 15:43
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Always wondered why people think 10/10 scores are bullshit. If you have a scale, you're meant to use all of it. Otherwise, why not just make it a 1-9/9 mark?

1/10 is just the other end of the scale. Would anyone suggest we shouldn't use 1/10?

KG
ElBurninator
24/03/06 @ 15:44
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Great to see this and GRAW doin so well after getting the extra time they needed in dev! These will do for me until Alan Wake and Dawn of the dead rising
Furbs
24/03/06 @ 15:45
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KG - Only if they hadnt played Battlecruiser Millenium.
Blerk
24/03/06 @ 15:46
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Would anyone suggest we shouldn't use 1/10?

I'd like to know why nobody ever uses 0/10!
Xerx3s
24/03/06 @ 15:47
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"ave - I think the interface is superb. What you have to remember is forums are home to the most pedantic, nitpicking, sad, whinging muppets on the planet."

Surely, not the EG forums? ;p

Furbs; well, the 10 might be deserved when you view it like that, but i cant help wondering if the reviewer kept an objective mind when giving a 10. Not that it really matters, cause this is one of the best games i played in the past 2 years. \0/

Oblivion - "Now with new and improved 'doing nothing & bumming around' mode." ^_^

"Would anyone suggest we shouldn't use 1/10?

I'd like to know why nobody ever uses 0/10!"

1 point for spelling their name right. Or atleast, thats what me teacher always said.
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BremXJones
24/03/06 @ 15:48
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Was thinking that when I wrote my comment actually. Been done a few times, methinks, elsewhere. I suppose it's because 0/10 implies it doesn't even work as a game... of course, it's that same sort of over literal thinking which makes people believe 10/10 means perfect.

I suppose the reason why no-one gives 0/10 at Eurogamer is that 0/10 isn't actually on the mark scheme.
http://eurogamer.net/scoring_policy.php

Er... back to Oblivion!

KG
UncleLou
24/03/06 @ 15:48
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Always wondered why people think 10/10 scores are bullshit. If you have a scale, you're meant to use all of it. Otherwise, why not just make it a 1-9/9 mark?


Highest possible score would be an 8 then! :p
Furbs
24/03/06 @ 15:52
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Ad infinitum.

Or until you end up with a binary scoring system at least :P
groovychainsaw
24/03/06 @ 15:52
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god, people whinging about 10/10. Just accept that for now, in context, it is one of the best games you can play. Call a PERFECT game 11/10, then you'll see that is impossible and therefore cannot be scored as such. Problem solved ;-)
UncleLou
24/03/06 @ 15:53
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@Blerk:

No demo, I am afraid, and it's probably unlikely they'll release one.
BartonFink
24/03/06 @ 15:53
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I really don't get the whole 10/10 = Perfect thing.

To me 10/10 means that the game is absolutely outstanding and a must have.
The_Aardvark
24/03/06 @ 15:55
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This sounds amazing (and I loved morrowind) but I see almost no chance of playing this game in the near future.

A PC upgrade for me is at least two years away and I really can't see me buying a 360.

;_;
Fatfish
24/03/06 @ 15:56
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Quote - "1/10 is just the other end of the scale. Would anyone suggest we shouldn't use 1/10?"

Reminds me of Spinal Tap - the conversation about the volume control on the guitar amp going up to 11! Classic.

:P
kangarootoo
24/03/06 @ 15:56
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"Mine still hasn't arrived from Play. :("

WHAAAAAATTTTT!!!!

I ordered from Play.com and I fully assumed it would be sat on my door mat when I got home today.

Why, if its not there..... theres nothing I can do about it... GAH!!
Machina
24/03/06 @ 15:57
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Thank god for EG giving average scores to average games; it makes it all the more exciting when something truly special like this appears. If every half-arsed piece of junk got marked an 8 (as they do on some other sites, naming no names), then seeing 10/10 at the bottom of the page wouldn't feel so damn spectacular.

And I actually managed to read the whole review before scrolling down to see the score... I was trying to guess whether it would be a 9 or a 10, but it became more and more obvious the further I got.
pauleyc
24/03/06 @ 15:57
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Ahem, the composer is Jeremy Soule, not Soules.
/pedant mode off

Great review, nice score. Can't wait to play the game.
Blerk
24/03/06 @ 15:58
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No demo, I am afraid, and it's probably unlikely they'll release one.

Bah! :-(

Oh well! Back to my other games then. :-)
Scientist
24/03/06 @ 15:58
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"but i can't help wondering if the reviewer kept an objective mind when giving a 10"

Erm, isn 't a review by its very nature subjective?
Bertie [staff]
24/03/06 @ 16:00
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I've looked everywhere and I still can't link Sony to this. Why it's scored so highly then... ;)

Can't wait to get my greedy mits on this when I get back, I think I'll sprout a suitable beard to accompany me on my adventures.

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