Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence Comments by Rob Fahey

Wait a minute!
Wasn't Psycho Mantis dead!?

Oh right, it's in the past....
That bastard!

I only just bought this t.v onlyme! I'm not a Tzar, you know. :)

Why do so few PS2 games have widescreen, is it really that hard to impliment? Getting quite pissed off with it, tbh.

As regards the branding, unfortunatly I've decided to boycot all Sony products after their recent clowning.

B'ah who needs paragraphs when ranting. Ok here's some for you:

Thanks to the lads who made all the usual you've got bad playing skills/social retard/you're biased claims people make when they know somebody made valid points and they...just can't... can't think... of any decent comebacks cause they really know deep down everything you've said is true... and they can't disprove any of it. It, it means a lot to me thank you, no thank you. It couldn't be that I just disliked MG3 now could it?

Special mention must go to the chap who slates me for actually playing the game the whole way through like an open minded person and not just turning it off after 10mins like some chav retard. Er maybe I played it the whole way through cause I like paid my hard earned cash for it and because I was actually trying to give it a chance all the way to the bitter end. "Go on MG3 maybe you'll get better around the next corner, oh dear you haven't....." Shocker I'm actually a big fan of PS1 MGS- just not its sequels.

Oh and if I was over zealous in my PS2 bashing its because I bought a PS2 expecting it to be able to do games of the quality of Resident Evil 4 from day one after the ridiculous over hyping of its power. My PS2 hatred is based on going out to the shop buying latest hyped game expecting it to be good and then finding it to be cack time and time again. I've barely played on the machine it just comes out of the cupboard and goes back in. I think the only game that's ever impressed me on the machine is Katamari Damacy.

I've played on my X-box, Gamecube and (I'm so biased) Dreamcast a bit more. If I come across as biased to that system its because I find it farcical that a dead console which had f'all 3rd party support produced games that I've enjoyed a hell of a lot more than the likes of the utterly souless MG3. What do you all just get some sort of S&M perverse pleasure out of Sony ripping you off with software that could've been better? Demand better or they'll just keep the standard low.

If you think I'm just Sony hater I'm prone to bouts of bashing everyone cause to me gaming is just dying on its arse. The qualities gone, no original games get made anymore and when they do they flop and the publisher goes bankrupt. Yeah its not like I haven't got other things to do but every now I then I feel a little bit sad that something I once loved is fading away. Kinda like watching an old Pal slowly die from cancer really. I blame hyped turkeys like this for the rot. People lash out at the likes of EA, fair enough. But are Konami seriously any better? I think not.

What a clown.

"What a clown." Thank you darling, still nobody can think of an intelligent response that disproves anything I've said about MG3. Bored now off to have that life I occasionally go back into. With my webbed feet of course. Riiivet!

At one time I owned a PS2, Xbox and Gamecube and i'm still biased towards PS2 owning all consoles mean squat in terms of bias.

Well, if you believed Crazy Ken Kutaragi's hype circa 1999-2000 I can see why you'd be disappointed, but for me the generational leap last time makes the current efforts to move gaming along look pretty weak (so I can see where your opinion that gaming is dying on its arse comes from) But, MGS3 is far from soulless, it's rich in visual detail, humour, tension and is not without a good emotional punch at times. That Star Sailor music at the end is fucking shite though, I'll concede that without any objection.

The other formats of the last generation are all as good as dead, but there are still some top of the line titles on the way for PS2, and this edition of MGS3 is something I've been looking forward to for a good long time, I'm loving it. I'm sure you wished you'd enjoyed it, having spent your cash and been a fan of the original, but it's obvious a great deal of love and effort went into this from Kojima, so comparing to EA's by the numbers cack and annual sports updates doesn't really wash with me.

That was one fucking big ladder though, eh?

"Some day, you'll feed on a tree frog!" sing with me now!
"Snaaaaaaaaake Eedddurrrrrrrr!"

"Thank you darling, still nobody can think of an intelligent response that disproves anything I've said about MG3. Bored now off to have that life I occasionally go back into. With my webbed feet of course. Riiivet!"

How do you disprove an opinion? I could argue your points of course, but I see little point when you've so clearly made your mind up already.

HIGHVOLTAGE

you'll be playing mgs4 on ps3 soon, just relax

I think everyone agrees you’re entitled to your opinion HIGH-V, it's just your essay-long posts come across as an aggressive rant without taking into account other peoples equally valid opinions which you dismiss outright. (e.g you accuse us of getting "some sort of S&M perverse pleasure out of Sony ripping you off" - yeah, cheers for that!)

Yes, I agree MGS 3 isn't without it's faults and quirks, but if you are able to look past these you'll find an incredibly rewarding, deep and tense game which allows for a variety of different play-styles each and every time you attempt a scenario. The story whilst not to everyone’s taste, is very interesting and very well directed compared to most video games.

You mention there are no games worth playing for the PS2. If I could just point you in the direction of ICO or SOTC.......they justify the PS2's existence on their own.

*sigh* so you want someone to rip you're essay apart and dispute the parts in which people disagree...

i'll try.

The cutscenes are even longer and more inane.

Cutscenes or more to the point Codecs actually die down later in the game not increase like Metal Gear Solid 1 & 2.

Says something about a ladder...

So it can play its comically bad "Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakeee Eaaaaateeeeeer" sub-sub-sub-x500 par Bond rip off anthem at you.

The whole game was set in the 1960's the bond rip-off was so you to give the effect that you're in that timzone.

It doesn't feel like your in an actual jungle there's no gameplay evolution at all here. Infact its a backwards step if anything as in the old games you just hid behind a wall or barrel and did things at pace. They also gave you a decent radar to make up for the limited vision.

Yeah they took out the radar, and gave you a Sonar a AP sensor and a Mic basically stuff you'd more than likely find in the 1960's and can use to great effect. Plus the Camoflague gave you more sense of stealth if you don't like how the Stealth system worked by going into the menu etc you'll love the Stealth Camo in MGS4.

This bit cracks me up.

And why are people so impressed by the camera? Wow it finally does a moving camera s'not like Dreamcast, Xbox and Gamecube games have all been doing this for years.

Uh PS2 games have a moving camera also it's just the Metal Gear Series didn't. -_-
(hence rant involving Dreamcast, Xbox and Gamecube irrelevant GC had MGS1 Twin Snakes with no moving camera, and Xbox had MGS2 Substance with no moving camera it was a game thing not a console thing)

Oh and to answer you're question it's because....

in the original MG3 get spotted by a guard who you couldn't see because the camera always pointed north

Maybe that's why people are impressed wih the new Camera perhaps, i mean... you said it yourself right there.

How on earth can you complain about the camera in the game then flame the game for improving the camera that you originally complained about.

So bored today have enough time so i thought i'd give it a go. :)

Ha Ok will keep the essay to a minimum. Maybe I er went a little overboard with S&M pleasures and such like. Thank you to the people have made very intelligent responses.
What I (meant) to get at with MG3:S is its all a bit late in the day for me, and adds to my feeling of been ripped off. I just tend to notice that most PS2 games that have high quality textures and a lot of detail going on has a STATIC CAMERA with limited movement and that inhibits the gameplay-examples Onimusha series, Devil May Cry Series, Ico (yes played it, sorry didn't like that much), God of War and the Metal Gears. Games like Grand Theft with low quality textures have 360 degree moving camera though-so it strikes me PS2 has some problems there. The worst thing is its limited the other systems too cause most games are ported from PS2-hence why GC and X-box versions weren't better.

On a gameplay level too many games just recycled old ideas. Please tell me we wont have to put up with this on PS3 puuurr-lease. Make some games I haven't played before.

I just wanna play a really good MG4 on PS3 dammit sort it out Mr Kojima.

"I just tend to notice that most PS2 games that have high quality textures and a lot of detail going on has a STATIC CAMERA with limited movement and that inhibits the gameplay"

This doesn't just apply to PS2 though. Same with some of your other points in fact.

Hmmm, I think the way the camera behaves is more of an issue of programming and not really the fault of the platform that the game is released on. So you should be blaming the programers for bad cameras - not the hardware manufactuers!

Whilst I agree bad cameras are infuriating from a gameplay perspective, to single out the PS2 as the main culprit is silly. I'm certain that bothe the PS3, x360 and Wii will all have games with crap cameras........

edit. but you are very right - MGS 3subsistence has been too long coming - the yanks had this ages ago godamit!!

i've always really wanted to like the MGS games, but whenever i've tried to play them i've always been really frustrated by them.
my problem has mainly been the claustraphobic camera angles ... so is subsistence's new camera system enough to satisfy me?
i hope it is!

Honestly I'm not saying it to piss on other peoples parades. For whatever reason PS2 suffers from this phenomenon more than the other machines. I am inclined to blame the hardware-but you'd need another essay off me to say exactly why-so lets not.

Hopefully come PS3 we'll leave these rubbish cameras once and for all. People who think I'm been unfair will get their PS2 games out and think ugh did I really used to play games that had such crappy cameras and it will all be a distant memory. And if we don't ....AARRARARARGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!