Mario Smash Football Comments by Kristan Reed

It was always the Beta-Max of the console world...but I did love my Gamecube.

whats he on about?? smelly boy is the one playing the game of mines better than yours! I have all of them!
tsk!

i cant believe the world has come to this.

I have all the consoles and a PC. So no fanboyism here, I get to play games across all platforms and THAT is the way I like it (and have always liked it).

On the subject of Microsoft beating Nintendo - that entirely depends on what you consider "success". Sure, the X-Box has a slightly larger userbase - but X-Box made large, unavoidable financial losses, compared to the Nintendo Gamecube which, surprisingly, made a reasonably large profit. I count that as a draw in my eyes.

Either way, who cares, really? Nintendo make some wonderful games - technically sound and fun games which you can have a real blast on, with the odd mixing in of games like Eternal Darkness etc. to nourish the odd need for something a little deeper, a little meatier. X-Box is a console which has some lovely games and is technically brilliant, I just feel like it got the short end of the stick games-wise for me. But I am demanding, and maybe the X-Box - while I like it - wasn't orientated to satisfying the demanding audience. Not the systems fault, it was just aimed at a different market.

It depends on what you like, of course. I like all kinds of games, and I like the variety, so I'll keep getting all the major systems and enjoying the best of what each system has to offer. If you aren't that lucky though and you have to pick one... just be happy with what you got. Fanboyism isn't right and it isn't clever - it makes you look about as bright as Jack Thompson. Be happy with what you have... each system has it's fair share of great games and it's fair share of whatsit.

Just enjoy the games and stop feeling the need to justify your stupidity by attacking the owners and manufacturers of a system. Believe me, if any of these big guns went and withdrew from the market - Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo - I think the industry would really suffer for it... we need their different approaches, now more so than we ever have before...

I cannot believe I play games anymore...Just look at Ebay?! More than 5000 360's for sale for incredible prices. Look like all the pre-orders came from people just to make a quick buck, not gamers, who are now sulking for not being the first adopters (but normally, that's a good situation in the console world as we all do know very well, learning from past experiences). The games industry has got nothing to do with games anymore. The fun has left it totally. The world has finally gone daft...

I guess this is OK for Nintendo fans and thats how it should be rated, but i hate nintendo games so ..........

LOL. Who would have thought that every game Eurogamer review deserves a 1/10 from at least a few readers.

"What is your first language, again? I think I read it somewhere before. My first language is Australian."

Struth, mate, you're a fair dinkum Aussie? etc.

LOL.. This is great fun!

Note I said sega too.. And note in my first post on this thread i said the ps2 has great games too.

Personally when judging all 3 in terms of games, i dont count the xbox, as most of its best games are either ps2 ports or end up on pc.

Besides..

And if it is so, why GC sales are so pathetic?

Because gamers are stupid? Dunno, as I said, dont care about hardware. Best ask one of the XBOX fanboys who care about hardware sales. As if the GC sales were pathetic, the XBOX ones were almost as bad (only a couple of million more sold than the cube world wide). But it's worse than that as they were all sold at a loss.



But that aside, I do find it interesting in that my first post was about sticking with current gen as there are still ace games coming out on the cube and ps2. Then my second post was about being a fan of a games company not a hardware company (like people were accusing me of)..

.. And then all of a sudden, all the xbox fanboys throw their dummies out of their prams and start calling me sad (for daring to like games, or daring to wait to see what happens), and start crying.

for example I say:

Now if any of you sony/microsoft fanboys want to admit to being a fan of their GAMES (and not the hardware).. feel free.. so i can laugh at you.

My point here being that Nintendo and sega are first and foremost games makers. Sony and microsoft dont make games (Well they buy companies to make games for them), they're more interested in getting their hardware into your house. Subsequently my point was that I can understand a nintendo/sega/capcom fan, I cant understand a sony/microsoft fan.

I'll put it simply. I like eating nice food. I'm a fan of the food which comes out of my oven. I'm not a fan of the oven itself? See? How this upsets insecure microsoft fanboys is beyond me.



Now .. Talha (who i'm not accusing of being a fanboy here, I respect him as a poster, but as he picked on me personally) says:

So laugh at us all you want - it is even funnier with your Nintendogged insistence that only games with tiny characters, primary color palletes, plink-plonk sound effects are funny. This attitude is in fact so funny, it is not even funny anymore, just sad.

Did I say that? I said i owned a ps2 (and a pc but i havent said that in this forum), I like a variety of games. I *am* a nintendo (game) fan, and I *am* a sega (game) fan. I'm not a sony/microsoft fan, as they dont make games, just hardware... And anyone who does say they are, is a bit strange to me.

See? Now if someone said "rare" fan (for example), i'd understand that - as they make the games?!


If someone can explain hardware loyalty (to the point where people will mis-read a poist start shouting at someone just for saying he's enjoying games on his current machine, as they think they're somehow dissing their current machine), then i'm all ears.

If you read my first post. I actually said i'm considering getting a 360. But i'm waiting for some decent games on it first. Until then, i'll carry on enjoying games like mario soccer, and whatever else is out on current gen..

How that upsets xbox "fans" is beyond me.

So it's quite a good game then, I read that it's actually a hockey game engine with the Nintendo characters added, which explains the action element.

Think I may get this as when it comes to games parties it ways the N64 and Cube that get used the most in my house.

I liked it much better when it was "gamers against Thompson" instead of "gamer against gamer". You all suck. :(






*coughandnintentorulesyouallcough*

Lol.. Well I'll stop trying to wind people up now.. TBH, im still not convinced by this.. as some reviewers have REALLY slated it (Worst being ign if i remember correctly, but then, they are americun).

Hang on. It just dawned on me. If you want proof that nintendo hate europe (despite making ace games), look at this game. It's a FOOTBALL game which got released in AMERICA before EUROPE!?!?

Wtf is up with that?

Probably one of the first I'd chuck out if the balloon was dropping.

For me, the cube still has lots of games i want to play but havent got around to (baeten kaos being one of them).

So, if i had all 3 consoles and a pc to choose between chucking out, it'd be the xbox. Nowt on there i'd want which ISNT on the ps2 or pc.

I saw a video of this and it looked fantastic. It's a shame that practically nobody will buy this though.

Personally, I think people need to quit getting out the tape measures.

When it comes to consoles, the majority of us just don't care - we've either got 'em all and skim the cream of the crop, or people are happy with what they own. We don't feel any need to get all abusive and flamey to justify to ourselves we got the better system - there's no point. Why piss people off if we're happy with what we have?

There's no real need to vote a game down just because it's on a certain system, or that it contains a certain character. That really demonstrates the lack of maturity and intelligence within the individual fanboys... I'll wager those who rated this game "1" are the people who haven't played this game...

YAY I will buy that GC then, I will!

Pearl White GC + Mario Smash Football (8/10) + King Kong (9/10) = £90 and one happy cheap Christmas!

@smelly.. why would you throw the xbox? I own all of them and yeah you are right, the PS2 does have alot of the same titles but when I buy a title(unless it's MGS which is one of the very few exclusives left) I normally go for the x box version or cube version because both are more powerful with less load times etc! everyone else i've spoken to that has all the consoles does the same!
It all comes down to if you have the money and consoles you get whichever one will perform the best for your £40!
Or are you just confused????????

If the balloon was dropping then obviously you'd chuck the Xbox on the basis of it's weight.

No offence intended Kristan but after your "score" (not review as the points you made were valid as I stated before, I could tell it wasn't something that would interest me from what you've written) of FIFA Street, I promised to never take another review of a footy game you've written as a buying decision ever again! ;o)

That was almost on topic, unlike about 70 of the 80 odd posts thus far! :o)

/waves willy

/shocked at image painted by kentmonkey.

Bet you've got a bright red arse as well...

No, because that would make him a baboon, not a monkey.

It's a FOOTBALL game which got released in AMERICA before EUROPE!?!?

[big grin]

@Smelly: I sought to comment on your COMMENTS and not you in person- I assure you that I had no intention to 'pick on you' just for the sake of it. It seems to be that some hair-splittng is going on here - in casual dialogue one would assume a Sony fan and an MS fan to be PS and XBox fans respectively. You did not make very clear what you meant, instead it came accross aas if you were saying that Sony and MS have no games worth being fans of.

But surely, MS are a game dev as well, since they came up with excellent Forza? And Sony has such close relations with some devs (Polyphony, the ICO guys) that they can be considered in-house.

@Kami: I appreciate your viewpoint, but I think given Ninty's formerly dominant posiiton in home console market, GC was a failure. MS should be given SOME credit for approaching GC sales - it was their first ever console. Even a Ninty exec recently said that if Revo does not sell more than GC, it will be an 'absolute failure'. Please note that I do not say GC is a CRITICAL failure.

No problem Talha, I think I know which angle you're coming from on this.

Like I said, in comparison Microsoft won a (slightly) larger userbase - but walks away with millions of dollars in losses. Nintendo may be third in the installed userbase, but they walk away with a profit at the end of it, which is kinda the point of a business.

Of course Microsoft should be given credit for what they've managed to accomplish. But the price of achieving that userbase has been great - not just in monetary terms. Microsoft may have money to burn, but 360 will HAVE to make a profit - Microsoft is a business after all, and you can't keep bailing out a system by throwing more money at it than it's going to give back.

That's just my stance on it. I think Rev and 360 are going to both be killer systems - and hopefully both will sell more than they have this generation. But Nintendo is going to need to up it's userbase considerably, and Microsoft is going to need to play a far more shrewd game with it's coffers this time around... only then can we consider either system a success...

Should be an interesting few years...

It is a fun game and I like it.

It could be a *little* deeper, but it does what it does well.

Nintendo World Cup was brilliant. If you can get hold of it, try Kunio Kun no Nekketsu Soccer League for the NES - it's a sequel of sorts (same developer), there's a translation patch out, and it's quite possibly the best football game ever.

@Kami: Actually I agree with you on the commercial aspect of XBox. Every business has to make a profit and usually, achieving market share at a loss is the stupidest thing any business could do. Well MS got away with it because they are Microsoft, with exceptionally deep pockets and (presumably) unquestioning shareholders.

And yes, it would be nice if Revo, 360 and PS3 sell even more because it will expand the market.

Quick question: I'm trying to decide between this and Mario Power Tennis, which would you choose and why?

@Ymir: Get Smash Football. It's ace.

If I should buy a singleplayer footie game. This or PES5?

I've been playing this 4 player versus CPU quite a bit during the xmas holidays with my relatives, and it's really been great fun.

It's totally the Mario Kart of football games. Simplistic representation that retains the essence of it's subject matter while adding fun items that make the tactics of high level play totally different from what they are in those games that aim for realism.

We're now at the professional difficulty level and I'm looking forward to the harder levels with more seasoned gaming buddies... I don't want to play it alone though, because a 4 man team is much more fun (plus your character doesn't switch much as there are only 4 playable characters on the field too).